It's something I don't understand....  but for me sex is linked to love...  (Am I that old ?)

well, my opinion is quite short.... what's yours about it ?

well !! In modern life I guess many people are just looking for a safe way to release sexual tension without strains attached as they are so caught up  with career oriented life not that  i FULLY agree with the idea but it sometime works for some people.

What does it have to do with "modern" life? It has been around much longer than "love" and "marriage" which are relatively new concepts.

I agree. This is a very old idea. And if both people agree that is just sex then there is nothing wrong with it

Very old concept. Catch up, people ;)

YOU think marriage and love is an old concept so maybe eve and adam were just fuck  buddies then ??

I meant new BTW

Nah, I meant that both concept are as old as the human species and old does not mean outdated. There's a time and place for everything.

According to the Bible the Earth is also 6000 years old.

I think maybe society in recent years has become quite conservative and young people seem to be turning back to the old myth of marriage and monogamy being our route to contentment(in fact it's astonishing how old-fashioned young people are about this here in lausanne and still see their future in terms of a family,marriage,children etc) As people get older and realise how this is all a bit of fairy gossamer -ie very fragile and liable to disintegrate, on the whole - other options seem to make more sense.

The fuck-buddy idea seems a perfectly good one - as long as one takes it for what it is and doesn't look for any more depth.It can only be a source of well-being for those involved,n'est-ce pas?

Time is relative. I am not sure what you guys mean by old and new here.

Of course, affairs and one-night-stands have always existed. But I am not sure the sex-friend concept is quite the same thing, at least in the way I understand it. If think what is rather new - again time is relative and you might think 15 or 30 years is old - is that there is a kind of pact of no sentimental attachment and security implied in that relation. With regular sexual partners outside of matrimony and relationships, you'd often have at some point one of the pair getting attached and wanting more which would eventually lead to all kind of dramas inspiring so many books and films.

If you take libertine literature of the XVIII for those of you who read Marquis de Sade or Laclos, libertinism was at the time a philosophy adopted by a few in the aristocracy and intellectuals at a time marriage and religion were strong institutions. It was still condemned and kept secret.

In more recent years and after the sexual liberation of the 70s, despite the weakening of moral values and traditional standards, there seems to be still a need for security implied in that whole sex-friend concept. If not, then what's the difference with just fucking-around? That's why I still think it's pretty new.

Rather than looking back to biblical times, I think we should focus on the post-WW2 period. I think the 'friends-with-benefits phenomenon' is a result of the increased emancipation of women and of gradual relaxation of sexual taboos.

The idea that women could be in their 30s without  a steady relationship is relatively new,  and it's the result of them becoming financially independent and career-oriented. With more and more singles in the world, both male and female, casual sex makes a lot of sense, and the relaxation of taboos (mainly because people become less and less religious) makes this possible.

The thing I don't understand is if you share sex with your friends, what are you going to share with the person you love ? 

There's nothing more intimate, more special.

(gosh, I sound a bit naive...)

Now with the Higgs boson observed at 4.9 sigma, I predict this trend to reverse, no? ;)

I believe in the old times... society was not free to love, now we are free to love, but damn why is it so difficult to find love ? (i am speaking own experience :P) so sex-friend is love somehow.without routine, without jealousy, without cheating true ? or not ? people think : why would they cheat if he/she is free to love me ? (something wrong with me ?) now it's not the society the jail it's our mental... (PS :fucking around is pathologique)

I can share many other things, since I don't love a person only to have sex with.

And I think there are way more things that are more special than sex. Loyalty, friendship, real feelings, make your partner smile when she/he is sad. Well, I could make a huge list of things that I find more important than sex.

Sure and I agree with you. but we speak about sex, not the other things that are mandatory in a (couple) relationship.

now sex, for me, is more than just a physical act, it has also a spiritual aspect which is very important. (not religous, spiritual)

well, I will leave here this debate, it's a bit too *grounded* for me.

now sex, for me, is more than just a physical act, it has also a spiritual aspect which is very important. (not religous, spiritual)

Holy fuck!

And what's your opinion Val? PS: Happy national day!

.. monogamy is fine but fucking around you meet new people.

I don't think it is new. Maybe people are more open about admitting it. Or maybe they realise there can be more to friendship then giving each other a hug and talking if they fancy each other?

between monogamy and fuck around not other choice ? fucking around means for you everyone who agrees, or only the one you like ?

Thanks Cat! See you at Pickwick's?

I'm so aroused by the probable discovery of Higgs-Boson particle that I can't keep my mind on anything else...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455

Have had a couple of “friends with benefits” as we couldn’t reconcile the relationship issues (ie we didn’t want a heavy relationship . . . for whatever reason) but the sex was great and became another aspect of the “friendship”.  And so going away for long weekends and short vacations was easy regarding the daytime and nightime activities, no awkward situations or innuendo’s ! – thus the getaway was not just about sex so you could actually see a museum or do some sport or whatever !!

Let’s face it – both men & women enjoy sex - so why not do it with someone on a regular basis (which is probably more often than married couples) and if you get your fill you don’t need to look around or to have one-night-stands.  Highly recommended BTW !

Romantic practices vary widely around the human world, not to mention chimpanzees and bonobos.. the uptake of monogamy is new - in terms of evolution - is almost unique to humans and is mainly carried forward by some major religions.
- or let's say: social or apparent monogamy is, as opposed to actual..

I don't think the concept's new either, only the terminology is new.  When I was a teenager, there was the term, umm... friends. 

For eg. Hey there, meet my umm...friend.

So you are condoning prostitution?

You are assuming things, she didn't say - and, also, what - if anything - would be deemed "wrong" with prostitution (the matter of trafficking is separate) and wrong in which belief system?

Just an innocent question to push things forwards.  Rights and wrongs can be argued in finitum.  Trafficking I disagree with but I also disagree with it being a necessity because of poverty and I am not sure if much else is left

I agree trafficking is criminal but that does not mean that the non-criminal element is acceptable.  Being forced into it through poverty does not necessarily involve trafficking and therefore is maybe not crimninal but in my book it is totally unacceptable

Yes, an 'innocent', mildly leading question suggesting your own stance on the subject ;)

Surely, trafficking is criminal, but also off-topic to the original question.

Now, there is some sun. There is vacation. There is a cabrio (and owner) needing to be exercised. Out.

How on EARTH did this conversation turn to a discussion about prostitution and trafficking?????!!!!!!!

These have nothing at all to do with this topic!

And,by the way,to anyone who thinks that sex cannot be spiritual sometimes - i think you are missing something

Completely agree!

simple...sex buddies happen only in "unreal" american movies, BL:d o not trust hollywood, he lies  !! ;)

I know, exciting stuff! I'll likely stop by later.

I think sex buddies / friends with benefits is just a label to describe having regular sex without bounderies. Honestly usually feelings are not involved. Is just a transitory solution between two serious relationships.  Of course it can lead to a different relationship: a true friendship (probably once sex is not anymore involved) or a love relationship.

Personally I make the difference between having sex and making love... but this is probably an other topic?

And I am convinced that is better to have a sex friend than having casual sex here and there with different partners... but I guess the boys wouldn't agree with me...

fwb is just the lame excuse for both people to convince themselves that no emotional, mental, spiritual connection can matter...also in plain English it means - I'll fuck you into I'll find someone better

still i am man and every one knows men treat sex like a collecting hobby - quantity plus exotic special editions

Probably not. But you are right. Every person has sexual needs. If they dont have a stable partner to satisfy those needs then its easier to have a FWB than loads of one night stands

Probably not. But you are right. Every person has sexual needs. If you dont have a stable relationshio to satisfy those needs then its easier to have a FWB than loads of one night stands

funny thread...

FWB...another Hollywood creation...

Not saying that that doesnt happen here and there , but...just check around.  If that were that common, there would be super duper oversupply of guys that wanna play that role...

Btw, if sb knows a FWB type of girl, let me know, i have a friend that might be interested...haha

fwb people are fooling noone but themselves

well its easier for a woman to have lots of ons than men but thats a whole different topic

wooow...just at work and saw the thread...are you people feel bored...just go out amd emjoy the wonderful world and make whatever makes you happy---be happy:-) enjoy wonderful switzerland

Projection a little? ;)

I dont think you need love to have sex. Its just something physical. Yes sex is much better with someone you love and all that but if you cant have that then go for the next best thing ;)

Besides FWB is not a one night stand. You are already friends with a person, both single, both not wanting anything more than friendhip, and one day you have sex. After that nothing changes

No Izzie - society has invented nothing.  Like 3D movies, it's just become more & more popular in Hollywood, so (like Scientology, just to keep it topical!) everyone assumes everyone's doing it, when in fact it's only a few, sexually perverted, slightly bonkers, people experimenting with their emotions and messing with their heads.

In reality it goes like this: one has friends, then one has the "benefit" then one either has ex-friends or ex-benefits but you're never "friends WITH benefits" more than once, because it DOES change everything.

Not saying that's good/bad, right/wrong - it's just my opinion (which you asked for!) xx.  

I'm all for it....  and there is nothing sexually perverted about it...well, mostly 

the concept is brilliant, as in so many other things, the reality though is someone will almost certainly have stronger feelings than the other and want to develope there friendship past casual sex to a full blown relationship... thats where it gets complicated and problems occur.

If 2 people are as comftable as they can possibly be together, there friends and get on, there attractive to each other hence the shagging, like each others company, it stands to reason one of the partnership will want more.

As usual everybody has different opinion about sex, love, rules and freedom. In my opinio what is positive in the "modern" society is:

-the opportunity of women to choose to have sex without love and the freedom to change the partner. Few years ago it was not so easy...

-more freedom of habits: as in any field freedom can be used positively or not. Sex without love is anyway a way to exchange feeling and communicate with a person. Who pathologically use sex like a physical activity make pains firstly to itself and to other people

-everybody can choose love, sex, friendship and different mix. People can change needs in different situation and time of the life.As in any field the important is to be sincere with partner

Then... the global society gives so many opportunities to meet people and push peolple to reach the best. May be we bacame more exigent with partners and we want perfect relationships. The perimeter of relationship and wishes was more limited in the past

So... let's use this freedom in a smart way. happy sex and love to everybody!

Charlie, this seems like the sequel to your previous forum adventure . . .

so who wants to be my friend?

Well, I do practice that since a long time in São paulo/Brazil, my home town...would like to start a Sex Buddies network...

Please feel free to drop me a line...

Thanks' Izzie for the post,

alexandre

079 243-4657

www.alerizzo.com

I far prefer the term "friends and lovers" myself.

I have always felt that sex is an easy extension of friendship - like an extension of a hug.  It is an expression of love and caring. I love my friends, why should I not show them so in a way that makes both of us feel good, relaxed, cared about?

The concept of sex friends is good but feelings can develop on either side as was mentioned before

 now i suggest all the ONS'ers  get together for a big fuckfest this weekend , and glocals takes a fee for that

Im not at all innocent but I believe that everyone want something beyond sex which is why I had to steal this quote..... 

" Its easy to take off your clothes & have sex; people do it all the time, but opening your soul to someone, letting them into your spirit, thoughts, fears, future hopes and dreams, that's being naked!" ~Rob Bell~ 

Thank you very much to everyone for your replies they (almost) all got me thinking or laughing which is good too .

I wonder if having a sex friend is not afterall a quick fix for something and if while people are busy finding or with their fuck buddy, they aren't missing the real thing...

It sounds like a good idea in theory because you don't have to change partners and can focus on each other's tastes and pleasures, you feel secure 'cause you build a confident exchange with the person but... I agree with those who said that there's a high risk that one of the two gets emotionally attached if the sex relation lasts and it can indeed change everything if he or she is a real friend...

This is a nice quote Gladys. It seems that people are more afraid of emotions than anything else...

Welcome Izzie, the truth is, everyone wants sex and whether you do or don't, sex just takes care of a fraction of one's needs.......when one gets to the point where he needs someone to connect with on a different level, he's gonna realise that with all his "sexcapades",he was just fixing a symptom and not the whole problem.........

No, that's just assuming that everyone "needs" the same thing when from the diversity of the answers you got on here you can clearly see they don't.

Also homework for you: how much did the society and hollywood movies shape your perception about "relationships" and how do you know what is "the real thing" and that you "need" it?

Izzie, FWBs tend to be friends already, obviously with a special connection, and therefore need not be found, as such.

Also, it's almost a given that the FWB-relationship will become unbalanced at some point, but it may very well still be valuable and clearly sex changes a friendship, but more in the sense of "adds depth to".

It can go wrong, but it doesn't have to. It's not a waste of time as both FWBs are meanwhile, on mutual agreement, free to run into "the real thing", which may also turn out to be the other person in the FWB.
Complicated, it is not. So much.

Izzie - FWB solves another issue not mentioned above...why have a bunch of ONS with someone you dont know well or their sexual history? Why not have a FWB that a) you get on with & b) is not sleeping with a bunch of other people (obv. to be agreed between the 2 consenting persons involved) at the same time therefore reducing the risk of any STD's etc

If you are both attracted to each other but you know it is unlikely to work out in the future - possiblities of moving due to careers etc - and neither of you like the idea of ONS then why not? I think it would only work if both parties are absolutely clear from the out set what they are/not looking for.

I think it can work but there is obv. plenty of room for it to wrong wrong from one side or the other ; )

I believe everyone is looking for that certain someone that fills the specific needs that they are looking for. Hence the reason why it is so difficult to find.

And yes I do believe that media/Hollywood movies has unnaturally shaped what our we now perceive to be our ideals in relationships. I think men & women these days find it very hard to measure up & trying too hard to be perfect until one day the cracks in the facade start to show...the bar has been raised and how do we mere mortals keep up? ; )

Catalin - I think when you find "the REAL thing" you WILL know....: )

Whether you NEED it or not...? Surely you'd be crazy not too ; )

I think it's all about balance. Whether in a serious relationship, or a casual one, if things get unbalanced then someone will get hurt. I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with having sex with friends. In my experience it's not led to any real problems and, as someone said, it even made the friendship deeper. That being said, it doesn't always work, but I think this was because there were different expectations not because there was sex involved (ppl can be hurt even if you are friendly with them and they want something you don't). Hence the importance of being clear from the get go. Still, I've also learned that no matter how honest one is, there's always a risk that someone develops feelings, and often, even though someone might say that it's ok, you can tell it is not and they will get hurt. I think that's because, as many ppl have pointed out, sex is ultimately very spiritual and leads to a much deeper bond between two ppl, even if they are friends. And that connection often turns into attachment which will probably wind up with someone getting hurt... unless there is balance.

I also agree that sharing sex with a friend is WAY better, more spiritual and meaningful, than sharing with strangers! Oh yeah, and I'm a guy! ;-)

ANyways it's good to see ppl are discussing such things. In my opinion, the institution of religion is largely responsible for our outdated values that tell ppl that such 'casual' relationships are wrong. Many cultures believe that orgasm is the closest one can get to god. Though I'm not of that belief, I do agree it is a very spiritual act (doesn't have to be, but sure is more rewarding that way). No wonder the church doesn't want ppl to love each other outside of their influence and approval!!

I thought all the hens share the same cock.

There seem to be a huge urge to analyse everything these days, everything needs an explanation. Why not just live, love and enjoy life, everyone the way they see the best.

There is hardly a recipe that suits everyone or a right answer.

Getting hurt seems to be a big issue here as well, a bit of a short cut...but most of you ride a bike as well, even though you know if you fall you get hurt.

"Getting hurt seems to be a big issue here as well, a bit of a short cut...but most of you ride a bike as well, even though you know if you fall you get hurt."

i found that very funny and a good comparison.  But surely thats relative to entering a relationship,ie hesative due to getting hurt.  By entering FWB ok you could get hurt if one of the 2 was to have stronger feelings but the key is, you would probably no longer be friends as you took it to a new level

your right tho, give it a go, BUT can friends casually sleep with other on and off and potentially, during the "off" periods tolerate said friend sleeping with other friends or partners?

bah, sex is sex, let's all, never mind one night stand or all life long, its always sex, ppl can do sex without love, but not vice versa, that's all.

sex buddies with benefit its only a way to indicate a kind of mutual pleasure that may go ahead  until one of both don't closedown this kind of relathionship without feel guilty for the decision.

Dutch people are too experienced to fall off bikes

They get flat tiers....or the bike gets stolen...circle of life....

hilarious, but where did you get such video ?

You tube! Just typed in "friends with benefits" to see what came up...

Before faceBook it was called FB....F**kBuddy...how am i suppoesd to keep track on everything??

In the traditional way of writing "love" in Chinese, friendship is linked to the heart to create the word . I like the fact that friendship is associated to love... not to sex.

Love your thought, but we are in the West...Wild Wild West....I follow the way of "East" as well....but at the end be and let be....with <3

FWB have been around for ever, in one way or another. As long as both sides agree, and as long as no one is cheating, it's all cool and healthy.

Hello??? Who said everyone needs the same thing!! Catalin, darling, you don't have to agree with me, I'm not a sex bible preacher! These are just my thoughts.

Here's another thought: I value my friends too much to put our relation at risk for sex.

I realize I only answered half of your post. You're mistaken, I didn't talk of relationships. But I did mention "the real thing", ie. love of course. It's certainly not as vital as air but it is a beautiful connection between two people which hopefully everyone knows at least once in their life... unless love requires certain aptitudes which maybe not everyone has. Surely hollywood movies aren't the only existing references for romance!!! Try to read Tristan and Iseult; Romeo and Juliet;Lancelot du Lac; Wuthering Heights; Jane Eyre; Pride and Prejudice; etc.

As far as society is concerned, you cannot deny to be shaped by the society you live in... which is probably why your posts sound so cocky But surely the way we love is a cultural thing. Marguerite Duras illustrates it every well in Hiroshima mon amour.

It's indeed good to know one's own boundaries and be honest with oneself.

And now all hens are well aware you're the cockiest

How it must be nice to live without thinking... We surely don't have to use our brains... We also have legs but we can still choose to live like couch potatoes

Dear Izzie....you will find the answer, don`t worry

I know this seems a little off topic but to understand if it is a new concept we need to understand history:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/6243761/A-history-of-the-English-marriage.htm

"In the 1950s, a Royal Commission identified as the single most important factor in marital breakdown the idealisation of the individual pursuit of sexual gratification and personal pleasure at the expense of a sense of reciprocal obligations and duties towards spouses, children and society as a whole."

People do marry to have sex. So a wife is a sex buddy with a contract.

A friend with whom you have sex, in my view, changes the relationship. The fact is, nowadays you do not need to marry no more.

And regarding the concept one night stand or having a sex buddy, it is interesting in a forum with some many people nobody discussed one major point:

Sex is like Sales: everybody think they are the best at it.

In my view, a sex buddy you can improve (it is like tennis, driving a car).

With one night stands the probability of disappointment is huge (specially after drinking). 

This thought could have been from anywhere in the world... It doesn't matter to me. It's just what I happen to believe myself. And even though I live in the "Wild, wild, west", I don't need to live like it. I choose what I want to live. From my own experience, that's the conclusion I have come to: I want more than just FWB or one night stands. 

Finally got to the bottom of the whole thread! 

No I don't think it's a new type of relationship.   It's a series of different sexual relationships with several new names.  :)    

And personally, if we didn't have such big neocortexes, there'd likely be more of it, and we'd likely be a more peaceful species (at least if you look at similar species, like the bonobos, formerly called pygmee chimpanzees, who have sex with each other just like humans hug or give "bisous")... but I digress... 

I rest my case.

Nothing new has been invented.

In our "new, modern" society, the only thing new is the label we put on something that has always existed.

no fwb - is a regular sex thing - its the cheapest form of prostitution (free)...and its impossible for it to NOT end badly - unless of course you are immune to that cocktail of chemicals that gets released post sex...if you are contact the news because you aint human

"Sex is like Sales: everybody think they are the best at it."

LOL - I dont "think" -- I "am"very good at it! not in the league of specialist porn stars and their repetition and volume ...but I am good at it

PS - men -  never marry to have sex you will be severly disappointed...expect the frequency to drop sharply plus it to slide into (unintentional pun) vanilla sex

if you think you can separate love and sex you are a genius defying evolution and biology

I agree. But I'd rather have love with sex than sex without love. Just me.

Sex with love is like a full 3 course meal with ur favourite drink

While sex without love is like fast food [ burger, durum, sandwitch etc. ] depending on how sexy ur partner is...

Now it depends on once hungar wheather u wait untill u find a good meal or ..

Proper meal and fast foods were always there it just that the names changes over the due course of time...

so do not think too much the hungar in you you will lead you to the way best suited for you.. simple :)

what I realize and really like is that for a non dating website, all post about date and sex are very succesfull.... 

My only advice is : stop posting your thought and live your dreams and desires for real with or without benefit :)

Tryky... good advice :)

but I can assure you that people will definitely do everything to fulfill their dreams and desire irrespective of whether they post their thought here or choose not to do so....

And everything related to Sex has to be VERY succesfull as this is the only thing after food which everyone likes and needs  irrespective of whether they get it or not :))

cheers :)

 sex is lookalike love but power (and great sex is great power) but few knows..

where are you now... I agree more than anything else!!!

so at leat we have now 2 new friends with benefit : Juli and Amresh...

For myself in french we use to say ; ceux qui en parlent le plus en font le moins....

Cheers

Distance kills man!!!

And do not worry much abt old sayings, it is not applicable always to everyone. so just chill and speak whatever you feel like speaking and do whatever you feel like doing...

Someone will come up with a new saying to match the new traits :)

it is getting interesting isn't it?

No, definitely not...well not in my case...(not that there is anything wrong with that, each to their own) : )

...men have been doing it (sex without love/emotions) for generations : )

we ladies are just learning to catch up with you men and play you at the same game

How true!!

Sluts

It takes one to know one...

Meanwhile, if the guys move like this, well, why not?

Agree with you

Look at pretty much every extinct culture and they all depict massive orgies in paintings and so, sex was, is and wil always be a VITAL part of human existance.

maybe the label "friends with benefits" is new and accepted.... but sleeping with random people for the sake of pure pleasure is as old as humanity itself!  IE: prostitution is the oldest profession ever!

Whats prostitution got to do with sleeping with random people? surely its completely different?

prostitutes sleep with random people for money..... 

Ah you must be one of these double standard guys?;)

Andy, you're mixing things up... a FWB is a regular partner with whom a relation of trust is established but yet also an agreement of no attachment. It is not a ONS (you usually get to know at least the person's name ), not an orgy either and there is no transaction involved except an exchange of pleasure... so please avoid talking about prostitution here...

But yes I agree (yes I have changed my mind), it is a pretty old concept...

why would I be double standards?

let people sleep with whoever they wanna sleep....

Good to hear

Well from my understanding

Open relationships = When you have a significant other but you're ok with threesomes and being ok with that other person having sex with others as long as their faithful to you feelings wise.

Friends with Benefits = when you meet a random person at a bar and you hook up, exchange phone numbers and you call each other here and there just to have sex, no feelings, no love, no relationship and no real friendship.... just sex.

Real friends = people you trust and care for and you dont have sex with them.

partner / love / couple = a person you love respect and share your life with.

some people have a hard time separating sex from love.... others not so much.... 

It is interesting to hear so multiple opinions about sex and so many pros and cons.

Regarding the comment that men do it for generations. Let me laugh :D. I agree.

But we do not need to look for sex if we talk about men using women or women using men.

How many girls you know they invest in body and date men just to have a free dinner? Or a free vacations (hotel, boat ride, car ride, plane ride).

How many men you know they are enchant women promising everything and when they are enough comes the next one.

I think this is an endless discussion: Even when going out with women and paying for dinner.

What kind of relationship is that? You are paying for company. If you watch Seinfleld (already in 90) they discussed these themes:

Friends with benefits; Paying for a dinner and so on. For me paying for a dinner still a outrage since i come from a 30 years experience of never paying.

im not saying the sex buddies thing is ideal or good for everybody but I think people should be free to do whatever feels right for them without being judged

Any tips on how to approach the subject with a 'friend?'  Without destroying the friendship?  Just curious... I don't want everyone on my 'Friend's list' to start avoiding me!!  For a laugh we should start an urban rumour to new people in Switzerland that 3 kisses means the person you have just been introduced to want to be a FWB!!

I guess seduction implies a lot of blood, sweat and tears... Do you have any idea how much money women spend on beauty treatments (whereas wrinkles make men even more attractive...)? But attraction is pretty demanding for both sexes... if a woman decides not to continue to see a guy it can be for many reasons... the guy may be spending hours at the gym and yet be boring to talk to... if the guy is lazy it might give a hint of how he is in bed... on the other hand if he is caring then it is promising...

I agree with everything except the FWB definition. I would define it as:

FWB: A person you are already friends with and one day you say "Lets have sex!" and you both like it so you do it again and again. But you also both know that you wont be a couple ever and its just a temporary thing until one of you is not single anymore

For me paying for a dinner still a outrage since i come from a 30 years experience of never paying.

I guess:

- You must be a moviestar or artist

- You have family with a restaurant

- You Date old, rich, single women.

In case it is the last, I`d like to know more. I`m looking for something 75+ with preferably a heart condition.

From experience friends with benefits with an actual friend you know, never work.... dont ruin the friendship!

it's better to hook up with someone that you just met during a one night stand and if it's fun simply say "hey this was fun, I am looking to do this from time to time, no strings attached, are you up for it?", then exchange phone numbers and it's done.... you got yourself a FWB, a playmate you can call once in a while to be naughty with.

Tea B - Billy Crystal once said

" Women need a reason to have sex; men just need a place ".

So will that be my place or yours ? . . . and whatever your reason, fine by me !

"How many girls you know they invest in body and date men just to have a free dinner? Or a free vacations (hotel, boat ride, car ride, plane ride)."

Hey Carlos, you are so right!

You have no idea how many men "invest in body" and date me just for a free vacation, boat ride, plane ride.... 

Hi regarding my post 101 and receiving few invitations (It might feel not humble to say it but i don't want people (those who wants to meet me) to think i am looking just for great sex and fun..) I would like to point out what i meant when i mean great sex is great power but few knows...i mean few know how to have sex WITH respect, tenderness, and I dare to say education, not these kind of macho who thinks they are just great in bed (or simply have too high self esteem.... (same applies for women indeed) so hope this clarify :-P I am not looking for sex :-) so now you can have fun about me, laugh and critise but i prefered to make it clear...

I think they will balance out each other!

BTW are you sure they are interested for free vacation, boat ride, plane ride etc....  or something littile more interesting.........

I agree, real friends are too important, I'm talking of the ones that you can call in the middle of the night in case of emergency... I prefer not to mess everything up...

really???? 

You make me randy baby!

But if we are talking abt real friends desire to havesex should not make any difference to the frednship. One can accept or reject but friendship can continue thereafter as wel...

I may sound littile bit optimistic but I think so...

But if we are talking abt real friends desire to havesex should not make any difference to the frednship. One can accept or reject but friendship can continue thereafter as wel...

I may sound littile bit optimistic but I think so...

Yes,exactly like the Geneva is boring post.....

in short its a delusional relationship ignoring the nature of reality, laws of biology and plain common sense

if you really think you can continually fuck other people with NO emotional fallout you are insane

God is probably the ultimate pervert

very revealing about the true nature of this fwb nonsense - they aint really your friends and you just use them - now all the women will try to rationalise this to avoid appearing slut-like while men dont really care how horny they appear

no I dont think any women need to rationalise this. Why should they feels like sluts? Maybe they too are just as horny as the men...no?

I agree, Its a misconception that the guys have all the hornyness. We girls need it just as much, sometimes more ;)

I agree too but you must admit that girls tend to hide these feelings much more than guys :)

Also men tend to get accused of only being after one thing quite a lot!!!!! 

Hmm maybe

Ignorant troll is ignorant.

For the record,some of us women have to actually enter into a-lighthearted- conflict NOT to pay

.Some men just don't get the whole equality thing - and feel offended when we don't want to be treated like infants!!!

Please define the word "slut"(including ,of course,it's male equivalent) for those of us who do not understand what on earth it means in the 21st century......

Men are "horny" women can be too.No judgement.

But slut......wow.....we're on different levels here.

Think carefully please..Mr P

A little bit of "science" on the subject...

http://www.thelocal.ch/3617/20120626/

"Love and lust display differences, but also noticeable similarities in the brain," said Stephanie Cacioppo from the University of Geneva.

Sexual desire was found to activate the same part of the striatum that is activated by things that are “inherently pleasurable” such as food and sex, while love activated a different part that is associated with placing value on pleasurable things. 

“Love is actually a habit that is formed from sexual desire as desire is rewarded,” researcher Jim Pfaus said in a statement. “It works the same way in the brain as when people become addicted to drugs...."

Also, Captain James Tiberius Kirk, intergalactic male slut!

After a certain age (i.e. after having had a family and settled down at least once) I find that FWB is the only interesting, non-boring, non-annoying option available.