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Hello everyone,


I am married to a Swiss and soon be qualified for the facilitated naturalisation ("Foreign spouses of Swiss nationals who have lived in Switzerland for a year may apply for facilitated naturalisation after three years of marriage, provided they have lived in Switzerland for a total of five years.")


Can anyone give advice, tips on what to do and what to expect?


What are the other requirements (aside from the duration of stay)?


How long does it take?


Cost?


Thank you!

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Hello everyone,


I am married to a Swiss and soon be qualified for the facilitated naturalisation ("Foreign spouses of Swiss nationals who have lived in Switzerland for a year may apply for facilitated naturalisation after three years of marriage, provided they have lived in Switzerland for a total of five years.")


Can anyone give advice, tips on what to do and what to expect?


What are the other requirements (aside from the duration of stay)?


How long does it take?


Cost?


Thank you!


Darlene BJan 27, 2015 @ 10:49
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Darlen,

I refer to your posting and will give you some ideas, but really it is simple but here are very useful links that will certainly explain all your questoins and without me needing to retype it all.

First the very useful link directly with the Swiss federal goverment, and is in english:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/faq.html

As your married to swiss, you use the Facilitated Naturalization, not others. Link as follows:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/einbuergerung/erleichterte_einbuergerung.html

https://www.ch.ch/en/regular-naturalisation/

I quote and article which is of concern:

And according to the federal administration, “there is no legally protected right to being naturalized by a community and a canton”.

See the Federal goverment comments, in the second paragraph:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/einbuergerung/ordentliche_einbuergerung.html

Now one big issue is even if you apply , cantons can refuse your naturalization. Mostly if you have not integrated, learned the language, know enough information to show your aware of the region and issues in local goverment. Further they are spoting out 'fack marriages' , they will test you on your relationship, and it can be very upsetting, and they descriminate on these basis. Nothing you can do about that. One think that helps is if you have children born in Switzerland and if you have employement. They like stability and ties to switzerland. again, no guarantees, good luck.

David

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Darlen,

I refer to your posting and will give you some ideas, but really it is simple but here are very useful links that will certainly explain all your questoins and without me needing to retype it all.

First the very useful link directly with the Swiss federal goverment, and is in english:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/faq.html

As your married to swiss, you use the Facilitated Naturalization, not others. Link as follows:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/einbuergerung/erleichterte_einbuergerung.html

https://www.ch.ch/en/regular-naturalisation/

I quote and article which is of concern:

And according to the federal administration, “there is no legally protected right to being naturalized by a community and a canton”.

See the Federal goverment comments, in the second paragraph:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/einbuergerung/ordentliche_einbuergerung.html

Now one big issue is even if you apply , cantons can refuse your naturalization. Mostly if you have not integrated, learned the language, know enough information to show your aware of the region and issues in local goverment. Further they are spoting out 'fack marriages' , they will test you on your relationship, and it can be very upsetting, and they descriminate on these basis. Nothing you can do about that. One think that helps is if you have children born in Switzerland and if you have employement. They like stability and ties to switzerland. again, no guarantees, good luck.

David


Dave G, Jan 27, 2015 @ 13:14
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Oh a bit more to add, the canton has a sample quiz in french, its based on 5 different catigories that will give you a general idea of what type of questions they could ask during the interview ( or Interviews if they deem necessary)


http://www.ge.ch/connaitre-la-suisse/


Canton of Geneva requirements:


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/naturalisation-facilitee/


PROCEDURE:


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/naturalisation-facilitee/?rubrique=procedure


FEES:


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/naturalisation-facilitee/?rubrique=couts-emoluments


 


 

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Oh a bit more to add, the canton has a sample quiz in french, its based on 5 different catigories that will give you a general idea of what type of questions they could ask during the interview ( or Interviews if they deem necessary)


http://www.ge.ch/connaitre-la-suisse/


Canton of Geneva requirements:


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/naturalisation-facilitee/


PROCEDURE:


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/naturalisation-facilitee/?rubrique=procedure


FEES:


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/naturalisation-facilitee/?rubrique=couts-emoluments


 


 


Dave G, Jan 27, 2015 @ 13:26
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Alot of similiar questions have been asked in the following website and you certainyl will get more aware:


http://www.englishforum.ch/


 

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Alot of similiar questions have been asked in the following website and you certainyl will get more aware:


http://www.englishforum.ch/


 


Dave G, Jan 27, 2015 @ 13:30
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Here is something , in worst case, they can always repeal your Swiss Citizenship.


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/perte-nationalite/


Here is a poor translation:


By decision of the authority

The loss of nationality by naturalization or reinstatement (section 41 LN) cancellation,
With the consent of the authority of the canton of origin, the office can, within five years, cancel the naturalization or reinstatement obtained by misrepresentation or concealment of material facts (i.e., unfair and deceptive behaviour). Under the same conditions, the naturalization granted pursuant to arts. 12 to 17 (ordinary naturalization) can also be cancelled by the cantonal authority. Except express decision, the cancellation is also losing Swiss nationality to members of the family who acquired it under the annulled decision.
The loss of nationality by withdrawal (article 48 LN)
The Agency may, with the consent of the authority of the canton of origin, remove Swiss nationality and the cantonal and communal city right to dual nationality if his conduct is serious harm to the interests or the reputation of the Switzerland.
Loss of citizenship by release (section 42 LN),
Any Swiss citizen is, at his request, released from Swiss nationality if he does not reside in Switzerland and has a foreign nationality or insurance to obtain one. Art. 34 shall apply by analogy to minors (miners demand is made by the legal representative. If they are under guardianship, the consent of the guardianship authorities is not necessary. Minors over 16 years must state in writing their intention).
The release is made by the authority of the canton of origin. Cantonal and communal freedom of the city, as well as Swiss nationality, are lost when the notification of the Act of liberation.
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Here is something , in worst case, they can always repeal your Swiss Citizenship.


http://www.ge.ch/naturalisations/naturalisation-etrangers/perte-nationalite/


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By decision of the authority

The loss of nationality by naturalization or reinstatement (section 41 LN) cancellation,
With the consent of the authority of the canton of origin, the office can, within five years, cancel the naturalization or reinstatement obtained by misrepresentation or concealment of material facts (i.e., unfair and deceptive behaviour). Under the same conditions, the naturalization granted pursuant to arts. 12 to 17 (ordinary naturalization) can also be cancelled by the cantonal authority. Except express decision, the cancellation is also losing Swiss nationality to members of the family who acquired it under the annulled decision.
The loss of nationality by withdrawal (article 48 LN)
The Agency may, with the consent of the authority of the canton of origin, remove Swiss nationality and the cantonal and communal city right to dual nationality if his conduct is serious harm to the interests or the reputation of the Switzerland.
Loss of citizenship by release (section 42 LN),
Any Swiss citizen is, at his request, released from Swiss nationality if he does not reside in Switzerland and has a foreign nationality or insurance to obtain one. Art. 34 shall apply by analogy to minors (miners demand is made by the legal representative. If they are under guardianship, the consent of the guardianship authorities is not necessary. Minors over 16 years must state in writing their intention).
The release is made by the authority of the canton of origin. Cantonal and communal freedom of the city, as well as Swiss nationality, are lost when the notification of the Act of liberation.

Dave G, Jan 27, 2015 @ 18:13
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I don't really see why one would want Swiss citizenship if the country one comes from is respectable. What's so advantageous about it?

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I don't really see why one would want Swiss citizenship if the country one comes from is respectable. What's so advantageous about it?


Andrea K, Jan 27, 2015 @ 19:26
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Thank you for the info and for taking the time Laughing

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Thank you for the info and for taking the time Laughing


Darlene B, Jan 27, 2015 @ 20:10
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I don't really see why one would want Swiss citizenship if the country one comes from is respectable. What's so advantageous about it?


Jan 27, 15 19:26

Hi Andrea K



If I am like you who came from the US or any other 1st or 2nd world country, I would probably stay as I am. But having a Philippine passport do not have as much advantages as you may have. I cannot even go to the UK without asking for a visa and I might even be refused of it. And I would probably get a job easier being a Swiss than a Filipina in Switzerland. You probably don't understand because you have never suffered as much discrimination and stereotype issues as much as we do. Many people associate us "coming from the Philippines" as house cleaner or good only for dirty jobs. When I meet people here, they would easily assume that I do not have a permit. Not so fun!

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Hi Andrea K



If I am like you who came from the US or any other 1st or 2nd world country, I would probably stay as I am. But having a Philippine passport do not have as much advantages as you may have. I cannot even go to the UK without asking for a visa and I might even be refused of it. And I would probably get a job easier being a Swiss than a Filipina in Switzerland. You probably don't understand because you have never suffered as much discrimination and stereotype issues as much as we do. Many people associate us "coming from the Philippines" as house cleaner or good only for dirty jobs. When I meet people here, they would easily assume that I do not have a permit. Not so fun!


Darlene B, Jan 27, 2015 @ 20:22
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Darlene has provided a very valid argument but it’s not just entry visa requirements which are at stake.


For example, let’s say the couple are on holiday in country “x” and there’s a natural catastrophe or, worse, civil unrest and tourists have to be evacuated to country “y” where one partner will be accepted but not the other so the couple can’t leave together.  This is not a far-fetched stretch of the imagination, it can and does actually happen.


In any case, I’ve always believed that if one of the partners is happy to live in the other’s country and is willing to integrate, acquiring the local nationality can only be positive.  Becoming Swiss (or any other other nationality) doesn’t mean loss of identity or refusal of one’s origins.  Every nation has its pros and cons.


Perhaps the Swiss naturalization procedure does seem cumbersome and severe, but anyone who survives and succeeds in obtaining that red document jolly well deserves it.


So I wish Darlene the very best of luck in her quest.  R.

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Darlene has provided a very valid argument but it’s not just entry visa requirements which are at stake.


For example, let’s say the couple are on holiday in country “x” and there’s a natural catastrophe or, worse, civil unrest and tourists have to be evacuated to country “y” where one partner will be accepted but not the other so the couple can’t leave together.  This is not a far-fetched stretch of the imagination, it can and does actually happen.


In any case, I’ve always believed that if one of the partners is happy to live in the other’s country and is willing to integrate, acquiring the local nationality can only be positive.  Becoming Swiss (or any other other nationality) doesn’t mean loss of identity or refusal of one’s origins.  Every nation has its pros and cons.


Perhaps the Swiss naturalization procedure does seem cumbersome and severe, but anyone who survives and succeeds in obtaining that red document jolly well deserves it.


So I wish Darlene the very best of luck in her quest.  R.


Ritchie, Jan 27, 2015 @ 21:34
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Hi Andrea K


If I am like you who came from the US or any other 1st or 2nd world country, I would probably stay as I am. But having a Philippine passport do not have as much advantages as you may have. I cannot even go to the UK without asking for a visa and I might even be refused of it. And I would probably get a job easier being a Swiss than a Filipina in Switzerland. You probably don't understand because you have never suffered as much discrimination and stereotype issues as much as we do. Many people associate us "coming from the Philippines" as house cleaner or good only for dirty jobs. When I meet people here, they would easily assume that I do not have a permit. Not so fun!


Jan 27, 15 20:22

That sort of discrimination is terrible and I'm sorry that you have to experience that.  I believe these prejudices are deeply rooted in the older generation and much less so in the younger generation.  Best of luck with the naturalisation process. Being married to a Swiss you're considered as a Swiss citizen in the job market and not as foreigner.

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That sort of discrimination is terrible and I'm sorry that you have to experience that.  I believe these prejudices are deeply rooted in the older generation and much less so in the younger generation.  Best of luck with the naturalisation process. Being married to a Swiss you're considered as a Swiss citizen in the job market and not as foreigner.


Andrea K, Jan 28, 2015 @ 12:43
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Andrea, First, being a foreigner in switzerland has some disadvantages. Many many jobs are offered only to Swiss Nationals.


Second, Having swiss nationality is considered very important for a proving your here in CHF for the long term, because you need to be married at least 5years or 12 years of residence. Again, this is largely viewed as a long term resident.


Again, being married to Swiss legally yes your considered 'almost swiss', but when the HR or hiriing really is in the process, it is often not the case to hire you.


Note, I been in CH for 20years this year, that from my experience, the workplace is full of work place bias and discrimination.


Gender, Race, Age, Culture, and yes 'Marital Status'.

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Andrea, First, being a foreigner in switzerland has some disadvantages. Many many jobs are offered only to Swiss Nationals.


Second, Having swiss nationality is considered very important for a proving your here in CHF for the long term, because you need to be married at least 5years or 12 years of residence. Again, this is largely viewed as a long term resident.


Again, being married to Swiss legally yes your considered 'almost swiss', but when the HR or hiriing really is in the process, it is often not the case to hire you.


Note, I been in CH for 20years this year, that from my experience, the workplace is full of work place bias and discrimination.


Gender, Race, Age, Culture, and yes 'Marital Status'.


Dave G, Jan 28, 2015 @ 13:06
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