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http://ballotbox.ie/


Irish people are amongst the few nationalities who can not vote at home as ex-pats.


This site is a way to make a symbolic vote in upcoming elections at home and at least register your frustration (or comlepte satifaction) with the situation at home, depending on your views. 

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http://ballotbox.ie/


Irish people are amongst the few nationalities who can not vote at home as ex-pats.


This site is a way to make a symbolic vote in upcoming elections at home and at least register your frustration (or comlepte satifaction) with the situation at home, depending on your views. 


JimboFeb 16, 2011 @ 07:27
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I totally agree...concerning that so many people have left Ireland recently due to the economic downturn...it seems completely ridiculous that they're not allowed have a say in a government that will decide their future.


Not a big Kenny fan but there aren't too many decent options politically. Was reading this article in the independent this morning:


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elections/latest-news/irish-language-policy-will-cost-us-votes-admits-fine-gael-senator-2542277.html

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I totally agree...concerning that so many people have left Ireland recently due to the economic downturn...it seems completely ridiculous that they're not allowed have a say in a government that will decide their future.


Not a big Kenny fan but there aren't too many decent options politically. Was reading this article in the independent this morning:


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elections/latest-news/irish-language-policy-will-cost-us-votes-admits-fine-gael-senator-2542277.html


Susanne C, Feb 16, 2011 @ 11:28
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What is the stated reason for why Irish ex-patriates are not allowed to vote from abroad?  Does anyone know what percentage of Irish citizens of voting age live abroad?

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What is the stated reason for why Irish ex-patriates are not allowed to vote from abroad?  Does anyone know what percentage of Irish citizens of voting age live abroad?


Translator, Feb 16, 2011 @ 11:42
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@David & Susanne, thanks for that, Enda Kenny is a muppet but so are most of the other potential candidates for Taoseach. I have no firm favourite. I'm dissappointed with the Greens, John Gormley is a spineless whimp. D'ont get me started on Michéal Martin, so what's left? Sinn Féin & Labour or a million independents?


Making Irish optional, well I guess we've practically given away our Sovereignty, sold the family silver (gas and oil fields of our coast), dropping the Irish language seems like the next obvious item...


I'm disgusted! Eireann go breà (me arse). Tàimid in stàt ann bronach anois,


Cry


 

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@David & Susanne, thanks for that, Enda Kenny is a muppet but so are most of the other potential candidates for Taoseach. I have no firm favourite. I'm dissappointed with the Greens, John Gormley is a spineless whimp. D'ont get me started on Michéal Martin, so what's left? Sinn Féin & Labour or a million independents?


Making Irish optional, well I guess we've practically given away our Sovereignty, sold the family silver (gas and oil fields of our coast), dropping the Irish language seems like the next obvious item...


I'm disgusted! Eireann go breà (me arse). Tàimid in stàt ann bronach anois,


Cry


 


BCROVER, Feb 16, 2011 @ 11:40
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What is the stated reason for why Irish ex-patriates are not allowed to vote from abroad?  Does anyone know what percentage of Irish citizens of voting age live abroad?


Feb 16, 11 11:42

@Translator I don't know of any reasons myself but they are listed here:


http://politicalreform.ie/2010/09/22/why-cant-our-emigrants-vote/


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@Translator I don't know of any reasons myself but they are listed here:


http://politicalreform.ie/2010/09/22/why-cant-our-emigrants-vote/


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BCROVER, Feb 16, 2011 @ 12:49
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@Translator I don't know of any reasons myself but they are listed here:

http://politicalreform.ie/2010/09/22/why-cant-our-emigrants-vote/

BCRover


Feb 16, 11 12:49

I can understand (not condone) the mentality behind those reasons (though I don't know what STV stands for).  Another possibility could be that a 'captive' i.e. Ireland based population is more susceptible to state and other political elite propoganda (even in this age of the World Wide Web) as well as media with links to parties or whose interests are best served by serving as a fawning (corproate or otherwise) media.  The end result being a limitation of the range of debate.


Thanks for the link; I've added it to my favorites.


Mark

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I can understand (not condone) the mentality behind those reasons (though I don't know what STV stands for).  Another possibility could be that a 'captive' i.e. Ireland based population is more susceptible to state and other political elite propoganda (even in this age of the World Wide Web) as well as media with links to parties or whose interests are best served by serving as a fawning (corproate or otherwise) media.  The end result being a limitation of the range of debate.


Thanks for the link; I've added it to my favorites.


Mark


Marksist, Feb 16, 2011 @ 13:07
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@David & Susanne, thanks for that, Enda Kenny is a muppet but so are most of the other potential candidates for Taoseach. I have no firm favourite. I'm dissappointed with the Greens, John Gormley is a spineless whimp. D'ont get me started on Michéal Martin, so what's left? Sinn Féin & Labour or a million independents?

Making Irish optional, well I guess we've practically given away our Sovereignty, sold the family silver (gas and oil fields of our coast), dropping the Irish language seems like the next obvious item...

I'm disgusted! Eireann go breà (me arse). Tàimid in stàt ann bronach anois,

Cry

 


Feb 16, 11 11:40

You are not the only one frustrated with the choice on the political landscape.  I find the same in Canada (where I am currently visiting and subject to hearing the inane drivel of the politicians and pundits along our political spectrum - which can be likened to a dot).  When I read about other European countries, almost all political parties sound the same and feel the debt is the enemy (just as in the US) rather than poverty, unemployment and a stagnant economy (also interestingly the companies are also emmigrants - to cheaper labour countries with low taxation and regulation).


On the political choice in Ireland I found this article infromative: http://www.counterpunch.org/hallinan02112011.html


and in general on the Irish economy (causes and bailout consequences) any of these articles: http://www.google.com/search?q=ireland&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org#sclient=psy&hl=en&domains=http:%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http:%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&q=Irish%20economy&sitesearch=http:%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=975ef832a5decba4&pf=p&pdl=3000

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You are not the only one frustrated with the choice on the political landscape.  I find the same in Canada (where I am currently visiting and subject to hearing the inane drivel of the politicians and pundits along our political spectrum - which can be likened to a dot).  When I read about other European countries, almost all political parties sound the same and feel the debt is the enemy (just as in the US) rather than poverty, unemployment and a stagnant economy (also interestingly the companies are also emmigrants - to cheaper labour countries with low taxation and regulation).


On the political choice in Ireland I found this article infromative: http://www.counterpunch.org/hallinan02112011.html


and in general on the Irish economy (causes and bailout consequences) any of these articles: http://www.google.com/search?q=ireland&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org#sclient=psy&hl=en&domains=http:%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http:%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&q=Irish%20economy&sitesearch=http:%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=975ef832a5decba4&pf=p&pdl=3000


Marksist, Feb 16, 2011 @ 13:15
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Jan 1, 70 01:00

Not sure if you are referring to my post but assuming you are, many of us (myself included) are "Dummies" when it comes to Irish politics and if like the similary titled series of books, it can be a place to start but not necessarily end.  (Both links btw work for me when I click on my own post).


Not sure what the definition of a political party is in Ireland but it might be nitpicking to pick up on a mistake (?) in referring to the multi-party coalition as a party.  You don't need to be a party to be a force as you surely know.


As for accepting the status quo, we've seen that in many countries and it is very understandable given a poverty of poliitical thought and diversity, poor educational systems that teach memorisation to the exclusion of critical analytical thinking and the simple desire of people to concern themselves more with what's going on in their immediate lives rather than a little further afield.  And status quo is short term thinking as might be evidenced with what happened in Egypt, is happening in South America and even in the USA where some people are waking up and shouting "I've had enough and won't put up with it anymore".

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Not sure if you are referring to my post but assuming you are, many of us (myself included) are "Dummies" when it comes to Irish politics and if like the similary titled series of books, it can be a place to start but not necessarily end.  (Both links btw work for me when I click on my own post).


Not sure what the definition of a political party is in Ireland but it might be nitpicking to pick up on a mistake (?) in referring to the multi-party coalition as a party.  You don't need to be a party to be a force as you surely know.


As for accepting the status quo, we've seen that in many countries and it is very understandable given a poverty of poliitical thought and diversity, poor educational systems that teach memorisation to the exclusion of critical analytical thinking and the simple desire of people to concern themselves more with what's going on in their immediate lives rather than a little further afield.  And status quo is short term thinking as might be evidenced with what happened in Egypt, is happening in South America and even in the USA where some people are waking up and shouting "I've had enough and won't put up with it anymore".


Marksist, Feb 16, 2011 @ 15:00
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Jan 1, 70 01:00

Pearse, Collins, Connolly (the list is endless) will be turning in their graves... or maybe we have given away those plots too..Frown


Sure you could probably build a whole (ghost) estate on a plot that size! Tongue out

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Pearse, Collins, Connolly (the list is endless) will be turning in their graves... or maybe we have given away those plots too..Frown


Sure you could probably build a whole (ghost) estate on a plot that size! Tongue out


BCROVER, Feb 16, 2011 @ 15:46
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Jan 1, 70 01:00

"Referring" in the sense of it not working or in the sense of it being for dummies or both?  It works for me as well as the second 'link' (I'm techno illiterate so excuse my vocabulary).  And yes it is google but with results contained within the Counterpunch website only (I believe) the like of which I've seen and used at other sites to search their articles.

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"Referring" in the sense of it not working or in the sense of it being for dummies or both?  It works for me as well as the second 'link' (I'm techno illiterate so excuse my vocabulary).  And yes it is google but with results contained within the Counterpunch website only (I believe) the like of which I've seen and used at other sites to search their articles.


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