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Is Israel a state for its citizens or a Jewish state for Jews?

The Israeli Prime minister asks the Palestinians to recognize Israel a Jewish state. Last year, the Supreme Court in Israel rejects citizens request to change nationality from Jewish to Israeli.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.550241


The Palestinians recognised Israel as state for its citizens and they refuse to recognize Israel Jewish state. The Palestinians believe that Judaism is religion and any state based on one religion means discrimination between the citizens according to their religion.


I'm very interested to know if the Jews want Israel to be Jewish state or a state for its citizens.


 
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The Israeli Prime minister asks the Palestinians to recognize Israel a Jewish state. Last year, the Supreme Court in Israel rejects citizens request to change nationality from Jewish to Israeli.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.550241


The Palestinians recognised Israel as state for its citizens and they refuse to recognize Israel Jewish state. The Palestinians believe that Judaism is religion and any state based on one religion means discrimination between the citizens according to their religion.


I'm very interested to know if the Jews want Israel to be Jewish state or a state for its citizens.


 
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Today I found this title on Haaretz


Could there be an Arab-Israeli president? Yes, but not just yet
Amid the enmity and mistrust, such a figure would need the wisdom of Solomon and the altruism of Mandela.

The list of candidates for Israel’s presidency is still open. Could an Arab run? If so, would a member of a minority be able to gather 10 MKs' signatures to back the candidacy? And if that candidate runs, would the number of supporters in a secret ballot surprise us?


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.580096


 

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Today I found this title on Haaretz


Could there be an Arab-Israeli president? Yes, but not just yet
Amid the enmity and mistrust, such a figure would need the wisdom of Solomon and the altruism of Mandela.

The list of candidates for Israel’s presidency is still open. Could an Arab run? If so, would a member of a minority be able to gather 10 MKs' signatures to back the candidacy? And if that candidate runs, would the number of supporters in a secret ballot surprise us?


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.580096


 


Aldo L, Mar 23, 2014 @ 17:09
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I wounder how people get the Israeli nationality! Is it given only to Jews?

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I wounder how people get the Israeli nationality! Is it given only to Jews?


Aldo L, Mar 27, 2014 @ 10:24
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'Israel can legally move its Arab citizens  to Palestinian state'

Arab citizens= Christians and Muslims (Non jews)


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140325-legal-opinion-israel-can-move-its-arab-citizens-to-palestinian-state


Legal opinion, for FM Lieberman, would allow the transfer of hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens


Israel can legally transfer its Arab citizens to a future Palestinian state, according to a classified opinion received recently by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.


The authors of the document, as reported Tuesday in a Haaretz exclusive, "have concluded that the move would comply with international law on condition that it were done with the consent of the Palestinians, did not leave anyone without citizenship and included a mechanism for providing compensation."


The 18-page document was drafted by the foreign ministry legal advisor, Ehud Keinan, at Lieberman's request, to provide grounding for a controversial plan he that would draw Israel's border in such a way that dozens of Israeli towns and villages, and hundreds of thousands of their Arab citizens of Israel, would be part of a future Palestinian state.


The document, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, says such an arrangement, even if carried out without the explicit consent of the population involved, “is not wrongful under international law, as long as the transferred population has a clear citizenship of some kind after the transfer.”


The legal opinion, headlined, “Territorial Exchange: Transfer of Sovereignty over Populated Areas in the Framework of a Final Arrangement with the Palestinians, Legal Aspects,” cites several historical precedents, including Israel’s past agreements with neighboring states.


Among the precedents:



The 1919 convention between Greece and Bulgaria, which included the transfer of Bulgarian territory to Greece and significant exchanges of population.
The Israel-Egypt Armistice of February 1950, under which the Gaza village of Abasan and its inhabitants were placed under Egyptian sovereignty in exchange for the transfer to Israel of territory of similar size in the northern Gaza Strip.
The 1997 transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong from Britain to China. The crown colony’s British inhabitants were slated to give up their British citizenship in favor of Chinese citizenship, but after a fight they were granted a special status that cannot be passed down to their children.
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'Israel can legally move its Arab citizens  to Palestinian state'

Arab citizens= Christians and Muslims (Non jews)


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140325-legal-opinion-israel-can-move-its-arab-citizens-to-palestinian-state


Legal opinion, for FM Lieberman, would allow the transfer of hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens


Israel can legally transfer its Arab citizens to a future Palestinian state, according to a classified opinion received recently by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.


The authors of the document, as reported Tuesday in a Haaretz exclusive, "have concluded that the move would comply with international law on condition that it were done with the consent of the Palestinians, did not leave anyone without citizenship and included a mechanism for providing compensation."


The 18-page document was drafted by the foreign ministry legal advisor, Ehud Keinan, at Lieberman's request, to provide grounding for a controversial plan he that would draw Israel's border in such a way that dozens of Israeli towns and villages, and hundreds of thousands of their Arab citizens of Israel, would be part of a future Palestinian state.


The document, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, says such an arrangement, even if carried out without the explicit consent of the population involved, “is not wrongful under international law, as long as the transferred population has a clear citizenship of some kind after the transfer.”


The legal opinion, headlined, “Territorial Exchange: Transfer of Sovereignty over Populated Areas in the Framework of a Final Arrangement with the Palestinians, Legal Aspects,” cites several historical precedents, including Israel’s past agreements with neighboring states.


Among the precedents:



The 1919 convention between Greece and Bulgaria, which included the transfer of Bulgarian territory to Greece and significant exchanges of population.
The Israel-Egypt Armistice of February 1950, under which the Gaza village of Abasan and its inhabitants were placed under Egyptian sovereignty in exchange for the transfer to Israel of territory of similar size in the northern Gaza Strip.
The 1997 transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong from Britain to China. The crown colony’s British inhabitants were slated to give up their British citizenship in favor of Chinese citizenship, but after a fight they were granted a special status that cannot be passed down to their children.

Aldo L, Mar 30, 2014 @ 17:34
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Killing innocents is a crime and killing innocents because of their religion is a double crime.


 


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/140413-reported-fatalities-in-kansas-jewish-community-center-shootings

Kansas gunman is former KKK leader with record of anti-Semitism; two of the three dead
are non-Jews


The nazis either new or not are the enemy of all. Each human has the right to live in peace and dignity and to beilive in the religion he wishes.


I propose to use antihuman instead of anti-semitism. Who kill innocents because of their religion can kill any body who doesn't agree with him.

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Killing innocents is a crime and killing innocents because of their religion is a double crime.


 


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/140413-reported-fatalities-in-kansas-jewish-community-center-shootings

Kansas gunman is former KKK leader with record of anti-Semitism; two of the three dead
are non-Jews


The nazis either new or not are the enemy of all. Each human has the right to live in peace and dignity and to beilive in the religion he wishes.


I propose to use antihuman instead of anti-semitism. Who kill innocents because of their religion can kill any body who doesn't agree with him.


Aldo L, Apr 14, 2014 @ 12:53
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Can Palestinians buy a house in Israel?


Israelis can buy every where!


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140414-israel-allows-settlers-back-into-west-bank-home

Supreme
Court ruled last month that settlers were the lawful owners of the building in
the heart of Hebron in West Bank.


Double standards= Discrimination

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Can Palestinians buy a house in Israel?


Israelis can buy every where!


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140414-israel-allows-settlers-back-into-west-bank-home

Supreme
Court ruled last month that settlers were the lawful owners of the building in
the heart of Hebron in West Bank.


Double standards= Discrimination


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Can Israel helps refugges?


Should be Jews?


Why Israel doesn't help the Palestinian refugees of Yarmouk camp in Syria? Should be Jews to get assisted by Israel?


 


 

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Can Israel helps refugges?


Should be Jews?


Why Israel doesn't help the Palestinian refugees of Yarmouk camp in Syria? Should be Jews to get assisted by Israel?


 


 


Aldo L, Apr 15, 2014 @ 21:35
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It's good question!


I believe that one day we will see a Palestinian president for the one state in Palestine and Israel.


Palestinians and Israelis want to live in Peace and no one cares if the president is Israeli or Palestinian. The most important is to have equal rights and duties.


Look! The French PM Mr. Walls is spanish origin. Who cares!


I don't care who is my president, I care when my rights are violated.

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It's good question!


I believe that one day we will see a Palestinian president for the one state in Palestine and Israel.


Palestinians and Israelis want to live in Peace and no one cares if the president is Israeli or Palestinian. The most important is to have equal rights and duties.


Look! The French PM Mr. Walls is spanish origin. Who cares!


I don't care who is my president, I care when my rights are violated.


Awni A, Apr 16, 2014 @ 15:32
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Israel is the  country of the immigrants!


Which immigrants?


Watch the video!

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Israel is the  country of the immigrants!


Which immigrants?


Watch the video!


Aldo L, Apr 17, 2014 @ 08:44
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=534871489934337

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Anti-Semitism and an anti-Israeli stance, Poland sets an interesting example


The end of Poland's special relations with Israel?

Under EU influence, Poles seem to have shifted their traditional loyalties from Israel to the Palestinians


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/140422-if-you-re-anti-israel-are-you-an-anti-semite


In the profound, unresolved confusion between anti-Semitism and an anti-Israeli stance, Poland sets an interesting example. Associated in Jewish history with "traditional" anti-Semitism, Israel assumed that based on the "special relations" between the two countries, the people of Poland would take its side in the conflict with the Palestinians. Recently, this assumption is proving wrong. All recent polls in Poland show that the majority tend to sympathize with the Palestinians.


Polish diplomatic sources confirm that there is indeed a noticeable change in attitude toward Israel in the context of the Israeli- Palestinian conflict. They attribute this change to the influence of EU members, like France and Spain, or to that of other east European countries - both on new Polish politicians and on Poland's people.


A Polish diplomat told i24 news that until a few years ago, in times of war – like the second Israeli war in Lebanon or its confrontations in Gaza – letters and emails from Polish citizens would be supportive of Israel yet and anti-Semitic at the same time. "We could never understand how the two can work together, but that was the case," he said; "the situation has changed... it's mostly due to the constant contact people in Poland, and certainly its politicians, have with EU politicians and residents not favorably inclined toward Israel." He also assumes that the shift in popular sympathy towards the Palestinian cause is bound to have an impact on Polish politicians.


The diplomat also agrees with Michael Bilewicz, Director of the Center for Research of Prejudice at the University of Warsaw, who views the shift as reflecting "the instinctive sympathy of the people of Poland for a national struggle, a tendency deeply embedded in its own history".


"This is a relatively new phenomenon,” says Bilewicz, who nonetheless believes that collective blaming of Jews in European countries for what is being conceived as Israeli wrong doing is pure anti-Semitism. "Collective guilt attached to an ethnic group for something they are not responsible for is anti-Semitism," he says; "a Jew in Poland or France is certainly not responsible for what Foreign Minister Lieberman is doing. We did not elect him."


When Bilewicz, 34, says "we," he sometimes means the people of Poland and sometimes "we Jews." In an interview with i24news on a recent visit to Israel, he sounds like one who rather thrives on this complexity. The fact that he was the only pupil in his class not to attend religious classes, and his very existence as part of a small minority in Poland, heightened his individualism. Unlike many in Poland who still choose to hide their religious identity, both his parents have always been openly Jewish. "It is not a taboo in academic circles," he says, referring to the careers of both his parents.


i24news


The attempt to assess the number of Jews in contemporary Poland is virtually impossible. In the latest census in 2001, only 1,100 respondents identified themselves as Jews. Bilewicz thinks that the methodology of the census distorted that data. Unofficial figures put the number at 5,000 to 8,000. Some are openly Jewish, some are clandestinely so; some are ultra-orthodox, some atheists.


The existence of only a tiny minority of Jews does not prevent the thriving anti-Semitism in Poland. "Anti-Semitism does not need Jews," says Bilewicz; “Jews made for one percent of the population of Germany in the 1920s, yet it did not prevent the development of the most fatal anti-Semitic theory. The absence of Jews, or any other minority for that matter, can reinforce prejudices for lack of direct contact."


It certainly does in Poland. The most surprising finding in Bilewicz's studies might be that over 50 percent of Poles believe in the classic conspiracy theory according to which Jews control world finance and world media. They actually gather in some undisclosed location – never really specified in that theory – and plot against the rest of the world. Hallucinatory as it sounds, Bilewicz believes this is the more disturbing aspect of anti-Semitism. Logic says that those who buy into this theory will hold Jews responsible for any national or worldwide economic disaster, if and when it occurs.


Yet Bilewicz doubts it could happen in contemporary Poland. This kind of prejudice, he says, is popular among the older generation and uneducated people, mostly residents of small towns and villages in Poland. This is the very same profile of those who cling to traditional anti-Semitism and are prone to follow the nationalistic anti-Semitic branch of the Polish catholic church. The catholic church of Poland is in fact two different entities. There is the liberal one, associated with the late Pope John-Paul II, which nurtures interfaith dialogue and unique relations with Judaism. The other part of the church, associated with its "Radio Maria," is profoundly nationalistic, xenophobic and anti-Semitic. The profile of its followers coincides with the profile of the traditional anti-Semes.


Bilewicz is familiar with both faces of the Polish church: "I know a priest who takes his parish to visit Treblinka every year, but I do know the others as well. Surprisingly, anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the depth of your Catholicism. We checked. Devout Catholics are not necessarily more anti-Semitic. Too often it's just the question of who is your priest." In that respect, claims Bilewicz, Poland differs from Hungary, where supporters of the growing nationalist, anti-Semitic Jobbik party are young and educated. Bilewicz attributes this difference mainly to the Polish "education boom," claiming that anti-Semitism occurs in a negative correlation to education.


Still, comparison of data from consecutive surveys conducted in 2009 and 2013 by the Center of Research of Prejudice shows a slight growth in traditional, religious anti-Semitism. Yet Jews do not top the list of xenophobia targets in homogeneous Poland. In all public opinion polls, Gypsies emerge as the most hated group, usually followed by Muslim refugees, like Chechens. Jews come in third. Bilewicz is not really concerned. "Poland is a safe place for Jews," he claims; “there is no physical manifestation of anti-Semitism.” Toulouse, he says, referring to the 2012 murder of four Jews in the French city, “cannot happen in contemporary Poland."


Lily Galili is a feature writer, analyst of Israeli society and expert on immigration from the former Soviet Union. She is the co-author of "The Million that Changed the Middle East."

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Anti-Semitism and an anti-Israeli stance, Poland sets an interesting example


The end of Poland's special relations with Israel?

Under EU influence, Poles seem to have shifted their traditional loyalties from Israel to the Palestinians


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/140422-if-you-re-anti-israel-are-you-an-anti-semite


In the profound, unresolved confusion between anti-Semitism and an anti-Israeli stance, Poland sets an interesting example. Associated in Jewish history with "traditional" anti-Semitism, Israel assumed that based on the "special relations" between the two countries, the people of Poland would take its side in the conflict with the Palestinians. Recently, this assumption is proving wrong. All recent polls in Poland show that the majority tend to sympathize with the Palestinians.


Polish diplomatic sources confirm that there is indeed a noticeable change in attitude toward Israel in the context of the Israeli- Palestinian conflict. They attribute this change to the influence of EU members, like France and Spain, or to that of other east European countries - both on new Polish politicians and on Poland's people.


A Polish diplomat told i24 news that until a few years ago, in times of war – like the second Israeli war in Lebanon or its confrontations in Gaza – letters and emails from Polish citizens would be supportive of Israel yet and anti-Semitic at the same time. "We could never understand how the two can work together, but that was the case," he said; "the situation has changed... it's mostly due to the constant contact people in Poland, and certainly its politicians, have with EU politicians and residents not favorably inclined toward Israel." He also assumes that the shift in popular sympathy towards the Palestinian cause is bound to have an impact on Polish politicians.


The diplomat also agrees with Michael Bilewicz, Director of the Center for Research of Prejudice at the University of Warsaw, who views the shift as reflecting "the instinctive sympathy of the people of Poland for a national struggle, a tendency deeply embedded in its own history".


"This is a relatively new phenomenon,” says Bilewicz, who nonetheless believes that collective blaming of Jews in European countries for what is being conceived as Israeli wrong doing is pure anti-Semitism. "Collective guilt attached to an ethnic group for something they are not responsible for is anti-Semitism," he says; "a Jew in Poland or France is certainly not responsible for what Foreign Minister Lieberman is doing. We did not elect him."


When Bilewicz, 34, says "we," he sometimes means the people of Poland and sometimes "we Jews." In an interview with i24news on a recent visit to Israel, he sounds like one who rather thrives on this complexity. The fact that he was the only pupil in his class not to attend religious classes, and his very existence as part of a small minority in Poland, heightened his individualism. Unlike many in Poland who still choose to hide their religious identity, both his parents have always been openly Jewish. "It is not a taboo in academic circles," he says, referring to the careers of both his parents.


i24news


The attempt to assess the number of Jews in contemporary Poland is virtually impossible. In the latest census in 2001, only 1,100 respondents identified themselves as Jews. Bilewicz thinks that the methodology of the census distorted that data. Unofficial figures put the number at 5,000 to 8,000. Some are openly Jewish, some are clandestinely so; some are ultra-orthodox, some atheists.


The existence of only a tiny minority of Jews does not prevent the thriving anti-Semitism in Poland. "Anti-Semitism does not need Jews," says Bilewicz; “Jews made for one percent of the population of Germany in the 1920s, yet it did not prevent the development of the most fatal anti-Semitic theory. The absence of Jews, or any other minority for that matter, can reinforce prejudices for lack of direct contact."


It certainly does in Poland. The most surprising finding in Bilewicz's studies might be that over 50 percent of Poles believe in the classic conspiracy theory according to which Jews control world finance and world media. They actually gather in some undisclosed location – never really specified in that theory – and plot against the rest of the world. Hallucinatory as it sounds, Bilewicz believes this is the more disturbing aspect of anti-Semitism. Logic says that those who buy into this theory will hold Jews responsible for any national or worldwide economic disaster, if and when it occurs.


Yet Bilewicz doubts it could happen in contemporary Poland. This kind of prejudice, he says, is popular among the older generation and uneducated people, mostly residents of small towns and villages in Poland. This is the very same profile of those who cling to traditional anti-Semitism and are prone to follow the nationalistic anti-Semitic branch of the Polish catholic church. The catholic church of Poland is in fact two different entities. There is the liberal one, associated with the late Pope John-Paul II, which nurtures interfaith dialogue and unique relations with Judaism. The other part of the church, associated with its "Radio Maria," is profoundly nationalistic, xenophobic and anti-Semitic. The profile of its followers coincides with the profile of the traditional anti-Semes.


Bilewicz is familiar with both faces of the Polish church: "I know a priest who takes his parish to visit Treblinka every year, but I do know the others as well. Surprisingly, anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the depth of your Catholicism. We checked. Devout Catholics are not necessarily more anti-Semitic. Too often it's just the question of who is your priest." In that respect, claims Bilewicz, Poland differs from Hungary, where supporters of the growing nationalist, anti-Semitic Jobbik party are young and educated. Bilewicz attributes this difference mainly to the Polish "education boom," claiming that anti-Semitism occurs in a negative correlation to education.


Still, comparison of data from consecutive surveys conducted in 2009 and 2013 by the Center of Research of Prejudice shows a slight growth in traditional, religious anti-Semitism. Yet Jews do not top the list of xenophobia targets in homogeneous Poland. In all public opinion polls, Gypsies emerge as the most hated group, usually followed by Muslim refugees, like Chechens. Jews come in third. Bilewicz is not really concerned. "Poland is a safe place for Jews," he claims; “there is no physical manifestation of anti-Semitism.” Toulouse, he says, referring to the 2012 murder of four Jews in the French city, “cannot happen in contemporary Poland."


Lily Galili is a feature writer, analyst of Israeli society and expert on immigration from the former Soviet Union. She is the co-author of "The Million that Changed the Middle East."


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Israel starts implementing sanctions on Palestinians


 


Yesterday they commomorated the holocaust and today they impose sanctions on another nation!


It's not enough to be guilty by occuping another country but to impose sanctions. This is the new world values imposed by the zionists.


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/140429-israel-starts-implementing-sanctions-on-palestinians

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Israel starts implementing sanctions on Palestinians


 


Yesterday they commomorated the holocaust and today they impose sanctions on another nation!


It's not enough to be guilty by occuping another country but to impose sanctions. This is the new world values imposed by the zionists.


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/140429-israel-starts-implementing-sanctions-on-palestinians


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Israel starts implementing sanctions on Palestinians

 

Yesterday they commomorated the holocaust and today they impose sanctions on another nation!

It's not enough to be guilty by occuping another country but to impose sanctions. This is the new world values imposed by the zionists.

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/140429-israel-starts-implementing-sanctions-on-palestinians


Apr 29, 14 09:48

oh aldo, my sweet child. i used to have a one-sides vision of complex issues too, when i was 13...


do you really not understand why israel imposed sanctions on the new hamas-fatah government, even after hamas reconfirmed its mission is to destroy israel?

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oh aldo, my sweet child. i used to have a one-sides vision of complex issues too, when i was 13...


do you really not understand why israel imposed sanctions on the new hamas-fatah government, even after hamas reconfirmed its mission is to destroy israel?


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Hamas is strong in Gaza and the Palestinians in Gaza have kicked out of their villages and towns by the Zionists in 1948. 70% of the population in Gaza are wating for returning to their villages and towns in Ashdod, Ashkelon, Yveneh, Yad Murdakhai. Do you know these areas? Go to Gaza and you will find the same names for the refugees camps. You will find the refugee camp of Ashdod for the population of the town of Ashdod, the camp of Yvneh for the population of the Yvneh town. If you ask any child in Gaza the simple question, Where do you come from? The answer will be the name of the town of the grandparents.


They support Hamas because they want to go back to theri towns and villages. Is it fair to relace them by Zionists? Is it fait to kick them out and to bring Zionists to live in their homes and own their lands?


They have the right to go back to their homes and their villages and their towns and they will return!


If I say this do you understand that I want to destroy Israel?


That's what Hamas wants!

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Hamas is strong in Gaza and the Palestinians in Gaza have kicked out of their villages and towns by the Zionists in 1948. 70% of the population in Gaza are wating for returning to their villages and towns in Ashdod, Ashkelon, Yveneh, Yad Murdakhai. Do you know these areas? Go to Gaza and you will find the same names for the refugees camps. You will find the refugee camp of Ashdod for the population of the town of Ashdod, the camp of Yvneh for the population of the Yvneh town. If you ask any child in Gaza the simple question, Where do you come from? The answer will be the name of the town of the grandparents.


They support Hamas because they want to go back to theri towns and villages. Is it fair to relace them by Zionists? Is it fait to kick them out and to bring Zionists to live in their homes and own their lands?


They have the right to go back to their homes and their villages and their towns and they will return!


If I say this do you understand that I want to destroy Israel?


That's what Hamas wants!


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The Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish says what all the Palestinians say that we will go back to our homes and towns whatever the Zionists do! It's a question of time!


O those who pass between fleeting words
Carry your names, and be gone
Rid our time of your hours, and be gone
Steal what you will from the blueness of the sea
And the sand of memory
Take what pictures you will, so that you understand
That which you never will:
How a stone from our land builds the ceiling of our sky.

O those who pass between fleeting words
From you the sword -- from us the blood
From you steel and fire -- from us our flesh
From you yet another tank -- from us stones
From you tear gas -- from us rain
Above us, as above you, are sky and air
So take your share of our blood -- and be gone
Go to a dancing party -- and be gone
As for us, we have to water the martyrs' flowers
As for us, we have to live as we see fit.

O those who pass between fleeting words
As better dust, go where you wish, but
Do not pass between us like flying insects
For we have work to do in our land:
We have wheat to grow which we water with our bodies' dew
We have that which does not please you here:
Stones or partridges
So take the past, if you wish, to the antiquities market
And return the skeleton to the hoopoe, if you wish,
On a clay platter
We have that which does not please you: we have the future
And we have things to do in our land.

O those who pass between fleeting words
Pile your illusions in a deserted pit, and be gone
Return the hand of time to the law of the golden calf
Or to the time of the revolver's music!
For we have that which does not please you here, so be gone
And we have what you lack: a bleeding homeland of a bleeding people
A homeland fit for oblivion or memory.

O those who pass between fleeting words
It is time for you to be gone
Live wherever you like, but do not live among us
It is time for you to be gone
Die wherever you like, but do not die among us
For we have work to do in our land.

We have the past here
We have the first cry of life
We have the present, the present and the future
We have this world here, and the hereafter
So leave our country
Our land, our sea
Our wheat, our salt, our wounds
Everything, and leave
The memories of memory
O those who pass between fleeting words!


http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.ch/2011/04/access-and-closure-mahmoud-darwish-o.html

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The Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish says what all the Palestinians say that we will go back to our homes and towns whatever the Zionists do! It's a question of time!


O those who pass between fleeting words
Carry your names, and be gone
Rid our time of your hours, and be gone
Steal what you will from the blueness of the sea
And the sand of memory
Take what pictures you will, so that you understand
That which you never will:
How a stone from our land builds the ceiling of our sky.

O those who pass between fleeting words
From you the sword -- from us the blood
From you steel and fire -- from us our flesh
From you yet another tank -- from us stones
From you tear gas -- from us rain
Above us, as above you, are sky and air
So take your share of our blood -- and be gone
Go to a dancing party -- and be gone
As for us, we have to water the martyrs' flowers
As for us, we have to live as we see fit.

O those who pass between fleeting words
As better dust, go where you wish, but
Do not pass between us like flying insects
For we have work to do in our land:
We have wheat to grow which we water with our bodies' dew
We have that which does not please you here:
Stones or partridges
So take the past, if you wish, to the antiquities market
And return the skeleton to the hoopoe, if you wish,
On a clay platter
We have that which does not please you: we have the future
And we have things to do in our land.

O those who pass between fleeting words
Pile your illusions in a deserted pit, and be gone
Return the hand of time to the law of the golden calf
Or to the time of the revolver's music!
For we have that which does not please you here, so be gone
And we have what you lack: a bleeding homeland of a bleeding people
A homeland fit for oblivion or memory.

O those who pass between fleeting words
It is time for you to be gone
Live wherever you like, but do not live among us
It is time for you to be gone
Die wherever you like, but do not die among us
For we have work to do in our land.

We have the past here
We have the first cry of life
We have the present, the present and the future
We have this world here, and the hereafter
So leave our country
Our land, our sea
Our wheat, our salt, our wounds
Everything, and leave
The memories of memory
O those who pass between fleeting words!


http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.ch/2011/04/access-and-closure-mahmoud-darwish-o.html


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Hamas is strong in Gaza and the Palestinians in Gaza have kicked out of their villages and towns by the Zionists in 1948. 70% of the population in Gaza are wating for returning to their villages and towns in Ashdod, Ashkelon, Yveneh, Yad Murdakhai. Do you know these areas? Go to Gaza and you will find the same names for the refugees camps. You will find the refugee camp of Ashdod for the population of the town of Ashdod, the camp of Yvneh for the population of the Yvneh town. If you ask any child in Gaza the simple question, Where do you come from? The answer will be the name of the town of the grandparents.

They support Hamas because they want to go back to theri towns and villages. Is it fair to relace them by Zionists? Is it fait to kick them out and to bring Zionists to live in their homes and own their lands?

They have the right to go back to their homes and their villages and their towns and they will return!

If I say this do you understand that I want to destroy Israel?

That's what Hamas wants!


Apr 30, 14 09:55

hamas said many times what it wants: the destruction of israel. hamas doesn't want side by side living with jews, it doesn't want peace with jews, it doesn't want to talk with israel. it wants jews out of all of israel, and it uses terror to achieve its goals.


so your point is that hamas is fair and humane. what can i say to that. 


the real issue is that you are able to see just one side of the issue, the palestinian side. yes, the palestinians have some fair claims. but there's another side to the issue, which is the jews, and they also have some fair claims. 


as long as people like you keep seeing just 1 side, there will not be real dialouge. 


 

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hamas said many times what it wants: the destruction of israel. hamas doesn't want side by side living with jews, it doesn't want peace with jews, it doesn't want to talk with israel. it wants jews out of all of israel, and it uses terror to achieve its goals.


so your point is that hamas is fair and humane. what can i say to that. 


the real issue is that you are able to see just one side of the issue, the palestinian side. yes, the palestinians have some fair claims. but there's another side to the issue, which is the jews, and they also have some fair claims. 


as long as people like you keep seeing just 1 side, there will not be real dialouge. 


 


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It's great that you recognise that both Israelis and Palestinians have fair claims!


I agree with you and convinced that the best solution is to live both in one state. The rights and duties are based on the citizenship as any state in the world. Religion is personal affair and not a state ideology.


The state of Israel uproots the Jews from their national homelands to immigrate to Israel. If Hamas does the same with the Muslims and uprrot them from their national homelands to go to live in Palestine, How the world would react?


One democratci state with equal rights and duties is the best solution for all to live in peace and dignity!

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It's great that you recognise that both Israelis and Palestinians have fair claims!


I agree with you and convinced that the best solution is to live both in one state. The rights and duties are based on the citizenship as any state in the world. Religion is personal affair and not a state ideology.


The state of Israel uproots the Jews from their national homelands to immigrate to Israel. If Hamas does the same with the Muslims and uprrot them from their national homelands to go to live in Palestine, How the world would react?


One democratci state with equal rights and duties is the best solution for all to live in peace and dignity!


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are you really stupid or are you just pretending?


hamas, your hero, says openly it wants israel destroyed. and you still think hamas is saying it wants palestinians and jews living together in one state? 

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are you really stupid or are you just pretending?


hamas, your hero, says openly it wants israel destroyed. and you still think hamas is saying it wants palestinians and jews living together in one state? 


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The stupid is the person who see only the extrimists and can't see the majority which wants to live in peace with equal rights and duties.


In Switzerland the UDC doesn't want more immigrants come in Switzerland. Does it mean that the Swiss people is xenophobic.


Go direct to the point and say it clearly that the Zionists don't want to love with others in one state. either the others are Hamas, Muslims or Christians, even if they are Jews but black. This is the Zionist mentality which unfortunately you defend.

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The stupid is the person who see only the extrimists and can't see the majority which wants to live in peace with equal rights and duties.


In Switzerland the UDC doesn't want more immigrants come in Switzerland. Does it mean that the Swiss people is xenophobic.


Go direct to the point and say it clearly that the Zionists don't want to love with others in one state. either the others are Hamas, Muslims or Christians, even if they are Jews but black. This is the Zionist mentality which unfortunately you defend.


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hamas was democratically voted in gaza by palestinians, so it represents the majority of palestinias. and hamas says it doesn't want side-by-side peace, it wants israel destroyed. 


so claiming hamas wants peace with israel, or that hamas doesn't represent palestinians, is a simple lie

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hamas was democratically voted in gaza by palestinians, so it represents the majority of palestinias. and hamas says it doesn't want side-by-side peace, it wants israel destroyed. 


so claiming hamas wants peace with israel, or that hamas doesn't represent palestinians, is a simple lie


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The Germans were more worse than Hamas and killed millions of Jews. Look now at the Jews in Germany. Minds can change! I believe that the Humans are good by nature and conditions change them. The enemy is the ignorance and the stupidity. Who is Muslim today could be Jewish one day and vice versa. No eternal beliefs but there are Human values!

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The Germans were more worse than Hamas and killed millions of Jews. Look now at the Jews in Germany. Minds can change! I believe that the Humans are good by nature and conditions change them. The enemy is the ignorance and the stupidity. Who is Muslim today could be Jewish one day and vice versa. No eternal beliefs but there are Human values!


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true, the nazis were even worse than hamas, we agree there. 


your other point that palestinians may one day change their minds and want to live side by side with israelis is wishful thinking, but who knows. until that happy day comes, reality on the ground is that hamas leaders are saying just one thing: yes to destroying israel, no to peace with israel.


wake up to reality

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true, the nazis were even worse than hamas, we agree there. 


your other point that palestinians may one day change their minds and want to live side by side with israelis is wishful thinking, but who knows. until that happy day comes, reality on the ground is that hamas leaders are saying just one thing: yes to destroying israel, no to peace with israel.


wake up to reality


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Reality is what you want to see. Reality is relative!


 

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Reality is what you want to see. Reality is relative!


 


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reality is that hamas chairman says "our mission is to destroy israel. we will not rest until israel does not exist". That's real, it's fact.


if you choose to ignore it and live in a fantasy world where palestinians are fighting for peace with israel, you're lying to yourself


 

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reality is that hamas chairman says "our mission is to destroy israel. we will not rest until israel does not exist". That's real, it's fact.


if you choose to ignore it and live in a fantasy world where palestinians are fighting for peace with israel, you're lying to yourself


 


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This is reality, as a peace activist saw there, without an hidden agenda of any media or political party. 

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This is reality, as a peace activist saw there, without an hidden agenda of any media or political party. 


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Anna Baltzer, a Jewish American with the IWPS, documents the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Israelis.

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Anna Baltzer, a Jewish American with the IWPS, documents the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Israelis.


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https://vimeo.com/6977999

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https://vimeo.com/6977999


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Roadmap to Apartheid


Ana Nogueira is a white South Africain and Eron Davidson a Jewish Israeli. Drawing on their first-hand knowledge of the Issues. the first-time doctors take a close look at the apartheid analogy commonly used to describe the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvxckp_roadmap-to-apartheid_news

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Roadmap to Apartheid


Ana Nogueira is a white South Africain and Eron Davidson a Jewish Israeli. Drawing on their first-hand knowledge of the Issues. the first-time doctors take a close look at the apartheid analogy commonly used to describe the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvxckp_roadmap-to-apartheid_news


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Hej Aldo, 


Just for your information it was not the Jews who kicked out the palestinians in 1947.


It was actually the arabs who asked the palestinians to move so they could flatten Israel with their armies and then a couple of days later they would be able to go back home.


Fortunately that did not happen, you win some you lose some.


But since you are from Palestine or as I call it that piece of land near Israel you should know these facts. But I also recognize that the palestinian PR machine is pretty good.


The biggest differnece between palestine and Israel, the arabs who live in Israel are alowed to vote, have freedom of speach, are not discriminated. However show me one jew that lives in an Arab country of a Christian that is not being discriminated has to 100% adopt to their islamic laws etc.


So I think you don't really have any point here.


Sorry, but this is my opinion.

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Hej Aldo, 


Just for your information it was not the Jews who kicked out the palestinians in 1947.


It was actually the arabs who asked the palestinians to move so they could flatten Israel with their armies and then a couple of days later they would be able to go back home.


Fortunately that did not happen, you win some you lose some.


But since you are from Palestine or as I call it that piece of land near Israel you should know these facts. But I also recognize that the palestinian PR machine is pretty good.


The biggest differnece between palestine and Israel, the arabs who live in Israel are alowed to vote, have freedom of speach, are not discriminated. However show me one jew that lives in an Arab country of a Christian that is not being discriminated has to 100% adopt to their islamic laws etc.


So I think you don't really have any point here.


Sorry, but this is my opinion.


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You can write whatever you want and believe whatever you want but you can't change the truth. You talk to somone who lost 3 of his family in 1948, my uncles were killed at their home by the Zionist gangs in our Village which is 8 km north of Gaza which you call Yad Murdakhai. 


Personally I witnessed the war of 67 and as child I saw the soldiers of the occupation and witnessed the torture and the killing of my family and my people in Jabaliya refugees camp. I promise you that the day which I wish to live is comming!


To learn about the truth of the Zionists, I reommend you to visit this Zionist web site:www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org


you will discover that the "Jewish people" in an invintion of Herzl and the Zionist state isn't as you pretend that it's "the return to our homeland after 2000 years" but it's a colonial project to escape the Antisemtism in Russia in 1881 following the pogrom and the May Laws. As you know that the Anti-semitism expanded to cover the world and the project of Herzl has failed to solve the problem. The Zionist state lost its reason of existence!


 


 

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You can write whatever you want and believe whatever you want but you can't change the truth. You talk to somone who lost 3 of his family in 1948, my uncles were killed at their home by the Zionist gangs in our Village which is 8 km north of Gaza which you call Yad Murdakhai. 


Personally I witnessed the war of 67 and as child I saw the soldiers of the occupation and witnessed the torture and the killing of my family and my people in Jabaliya refugees camp. I promise you that the day which I wish to live is comming!


To learn about the truth of the Zionists, I reommend you to visit this Zionist web site:www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org


you will discover that the "Jewish people" in an invintion of Herzl and the Zionist state isn't as you pretend that it's "the return to our homeland after 2000 years" but it's a colonial project to escape the Antisemtism in Russia in 1881 following the pogrom and the May Laws. As you know that the Anti-semitism expanded to cover the world and the project of Herzl has failed to solve the problem. The Zionist state lost its reason of existence!


 


 


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History of the Jews in Spain
Spanish Jews once constituted one of the largest and most prosperous Jewish communities under Muslim and Christian rule, before they, together with resident Muslims, were forced to convert to Catholicism, be expelled, or be killed when Spain became united under the Catholic Monarchs King Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492.

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History of the Jews in Spain
Spanish Jews once constituted one of the largest and most prosperous Jewish communities under Muslim and Christian rule, before they, together with resident Muslims, were forced to convert to Catholicism, be expelled, or be killed when Spain became united under the Catholic Monarchs King Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492.


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The most fortunate of the expelled Jews succeeded in escaping to Turkey. Sultan Bajazet welcomed them warmly. "How can you call Ferdinand of Aragon a wise king," he was fond of asking, "the same Ferdinand who impoverished his own land and enriched ours?" Among the most unfortunate refugees were those who fled to neighboring Portugal. In 1496, King Manuel of Portugal concluded an agreement to marry Isabella, the daughter of Spain's monarchs. As a condition of the marriage, the Spanish royal family insisted that Portugal expel her Jews. King Manuel agreed, although he was reluctant to lose his affluent and accomplished Jewish community.

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The most fortunate of the expelled Jews succeeded in escaping to Turkey. Sultan Bajazet welcomed them warmly. "How can you call Ferdinand of Aragon a wise king," he was fond of asking, "the same Ferdinand who impoverished his own land and enriched ours?" Among the most unfortunate refugees were those who fled to neighboring Portugal. In 1496, King Manuel of Portugal concluded an agreement to marry Isabella, the daughter of Spain's monarchs. As a condition of the marriage, the Spanish royal family insisted that Portugal expel her Jews. King Manuel agreed, although he was reluctant to lose his affluent and accomplished Jewish community.


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I expect that you read Hebrew. Check this to see how the non-jews are treated in your democratic state.


it's from the Israli web site 0404


 


חשיפה: 20 מוסלמים עובדים בבסיס רמת דוד ומסתובבים חופשי בטייסת - חיילים זועמים


חיילים בבסיס רמת דוד של חיל האוויר מתלוננים: פועלים מוסלמים מסתובבים חופשי בבסיס, גם במקומות שאסור להם להסתובב כלל - במקומות שבהם גם אנחנו נדרשים להסתובב עם ליווי.


הכל קורה באזור הטייסת. אחד האזורים הרגישים של הבסיס – כך מספרים החיילים לחדשות 0404. במקום נבנה מתקן של הצבא האמריקאי (נסיבות בנייתו שמורות במערכת) – מתקן שאותו בונים כ-20 פועלים ערביים, רובם או כולם, מוסלמים.


החיילים טוענים כי בבסיס כה רגיש לא צריכים לעבוד מוסלמים. הם מבהירים כי לא מדובר כלל בגזענות והדבר דומה בדיוק לנושא הסיווגים הביטחוניים. יש כאלה שאינם יכולים לבצע תפקיד כזה או אחר, כי אין להם סיווג תואם וגם אם הם יהודים.


החיילים זועמים ולטענתם, הפועלים מסתובבים חופשי ולמרות הוראות הביטחון, אף אחד לא מלווה אותם. לטענת החיילים גם מנהל הבטיחות מוסלמי והוא מסתובב ללא פיקוח ביטחוני בכל מקום בבסיס.


אחד מהחיילים לחדשות 0404: "זו לא גזענות כלל, אבל זה בסיס צבאי ויש בו אזורים רגישים מאוד. מי שאין לו זיקה לצה"ל, מי שאין לו חובה ומוסריות כלפי הצבא, לא יכול להיות פה".


חייל אחר לחדשות 0404: " רק לאחרונה, לאחר חטיפת הנערים, אסרו על כניסת פועלים ערבים ליישובים ביהודה ושומרון בכדי למנוע חיכוך בין החיילים והתושבים לפועלים, אבל כאן הם מסתובבים חופשי ואני לא".


קצין בחיל האוויר לחדשות 0404: "יש לי רמת סיווג בדרגה גבוהה ולמרות זאת אני צריך ליווי בחלק מהמקומות. אני מסתובב עם ליווי ולידי שני פועלים מטיילים להם, כאילו היה זה באמצע הרחוב. גם יהודים לא יכולים להסתובב כך, אז איפה השכל של הצבא? מי כאן שומר על הבטיחות והביטחון של חיל האוויר"?


הקצין הוסיף ואמר: "הם רואים כל מה שקורה פה ומן הסתם גם כל המראה מהבסיס. מאוד לא נוח לי עם זה".


מדובר צה"ל נמסר בתגובה כי, "מבדיקה ראשונית שנעשתה, לא נמצאו חריגות מהנהלים ולא ידוע על חשש לנזק או דלף כלשהו. בבסיס המדובר קיימים נהלים סדורים בנוגע להעסקת קבלנים בהיבט ביטחון ואבטחת מידע, כולל הגדרות לגבי הצורך בליווי צמוד ברחבי הבסיס". (התמונה אושרה לפרסום ע"י הצנזורה).

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I expect that you read Hebrew. Check this to see how the non-jews are treated in your democratic state.


it's from the Israli web site 0404


 


חשיפה: 20 מוסלמים עובדים בבסיס רמת דוד ומסתובבים חופשי בטייסת - חיילים זועמים


חיילים בבסיס רמת דוד של חיל האוויר מתלוננים: פועלים מוסלמים מסתובבים חופשי בבסיס, גם במקומות שאסור להם להסתובב כלל - במקומות שבהם גם אנחנו נדרשים להסתובב עם ליווי.


הכל קורה באזור הטייסת. אחד האזורים הרגישים של הבסיס – כך מספרים החיילים לחדשות 0404. במקום נבנה מתקן של הצבא האמריקאי (נסיבות בנייתו שמורות במערכת) – מתקן שאותו בונים כ-20 פועלים ערביים, רובם או כולם, מוסלמים.


החיילים טוענים כי בבסיס כה רגיש לא צריכים לעבוד מוסלמים. הם מבהירים כי לא מדובר כלל בגזענות והדבר דומה בדיוק לנושא הסיווגים הביטחוניים. יש כאלה שאינם יכולים לבצע תפקיד כזה או אחר, כי אין להם סיווג תואם וגם אם הם יהודים.


החיילים זועמים ולטענתם, הפועלים מסתובבים חופשי ולמרות הוראות הביטחון, אף אחד לא מלווה אותם. לטענת החיילים גם מנהל הבטיחות מוסלמי והוא מסתובב ללא פיקוח ביטחוני בכל מקום בבסיס.


אחד מהחיילים לחדשות 0404: "זו לא גזענות כלל, אבל זה בסיס צבאי ויש בו אזורים רגישים מאוד. מי שאין לו זיקה לצה"ל, מי שאין לו חובה ומוסריות כלפי הצבא, לא יכול להיות פה".


חייל אחר לחדשות 0404: " רק לאחרונה, לאחר חטיפת הנערים, אסרו על כניסת פועלים ערבים ליישובים ביהודה ושומרון בכדי למנוע חיכוך בין החיילים והתושבים לפועלים, אבל כאן הם מסתובבים חופשי ואני לא".


קצין בחיל האוויר לחדשות 0404: "יש לי רמת סיווג בדרגה גבוהה ולמרות זאת אני צריך ליווי בחלק מהמקומות. אני מסתובב עם ליווי ולידי שני פועלים מטיילים להם, כאילו היה זה באמצע הרחוב. גם יהודים לא יכולים להסתובב כך, אז איפה השכל של הצבא? מי כאן שומר על הבטיחות והביטחון של חיל האוויר"?


הקצין הוסיף ואמר: "הם רואים כל מה שקורה פה ומן הסתם גם כל המראה מהבסיס. מאוד לא נוח לי עם זה".


מדובר צה"ל נמסר בתגובה כי, "מבדיקה ראשונית שנעשתה, לא נמצאו חריגות מהנהלים ולא ידוע על חשש לנזק או דלף כלשהו. בבסיס המדובר קיימים נהלים סדורים בנוגע להעסקת קבלנים בהיבט ביטחון ואבטחת מידע, כולל הגדרות לגבי הצורך בליווי צמוד ברחבי הבסיס". (התמונה אושרה לפרסום ע"י הצנזורה).


Aldo L, Aug 13, 2014 @ 13:55
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In France:


Va-t-on rebaptiser La Mort aux juifs ? Ce lieu-dit constitué d'une ferme et de deux maisons dans le petit village de Courtemaux, dans le Loiret, est dans le viseur du CentreSimon-Wiesenthal, aux Etats-Unis, qui réclame que ce nom disparaisse.

Le centre fondé par le célèbre chasseur de nazis a écrit dans cette optique au ministre de l'intérieur, Bernard Cazeneuve. Dans un communiqué, son directeur des relations internationales s'est dit« choqué de découvrir l'existence d'un village deFrance nommé officiellement “La Mort aux juifs” ».Et d'ajouter : « Que ce nom soit passé inaperçu pendant les soixante-dix ans qui ont suivi la libération de la France du national-socialisme et du régime de Vichy est extrêmement choquant. »


DÉMARCHE « RIDICULE » SELON L'ADJOINTE AU MAIRE


Pour l'adjointe au maire du village de Courtemaux, une telle démarche n'est pas une première. « Un conseil municipal précédent, il y a au moins vingt ans, avait déjà refusé de débaptiser ce lieu-dit, confie-t-elle. C'est ridicule, ce nom a toujours existé. Personne n'en veut aux juifs, bien sûr. Cela ne m'étonne pas que cela revienne encore une fois sur le tapis. »


« Il faudrait pour changer de nom une décision du conseil municipal, mais cela m'étonnerait bien, a-t-elle encore dit. Pourquoi changer un nom qui remonte au Moyen Age, ou à plus loin encore ? Il fautrespecter ces vieux noms. » En 1992, le Mouvement contre le racisme et pour l'amitié entre les peuples avait effectué la même demande auprès du maire de l'époque, des autorités préfectorales et du ministère de l'intérieur.


En mai, un village du nord de l'Espagne baptisé « Castrillo Matajudios » (« Castrillo tue les juifs ») a voté lors d'un référendum en faveur du changement de nom de sa commune qui était, selon son maire, un peu lourd à porter. Vingt-six des 52 votants ont voté en faveur d'un nouveau nom, « Mota de Judios » (« la colline des juifs »).

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Va-t-on rebaptiser La Mort aux juifs ? Ce lieu-dit constitué d'une ferme et de deux maisons dans le petit village de Courtemaux, dans le Loiret, est dans le viseur du CentreSimon-Wiesenthal, aux Etats-Unis, qui réclame que ce nom disparaisse.

Le centre fondé par le célèbre chasseur de nazis a écrit dans cette optique au ministre de l'intérieur, Bernard Cazeneuve. Dans un communiqué, son directeur des relations internationales s'est dit« choqué de découvrir l'existence d'un village deFrance nommé officiellement “La Mort aux juifs” ».Et d'ajouter : « Que ce nom soit passé inaperçu pendant les soixante-dix ans qui ont suivi la libération de la France du national-socialisme et du régime de Vichy est extrêmement choquant. »


DÉMARCHE « RIDICULE » SELON L'ADJOINTE AU MAIRE


Pour l'adjointe au maire du village de Courtemaux, une telle démarche n'est pas une première. « Un conseil municipal précédent, il y a au moins vingt ans, avait déjà refusé de débaptiser ce lieu-dit, confie-t-elle. C'est ridicule, ce nom a toujours existé. Personne n'en veut aux juifs, bien sûr. Cela ne m'étonne pas que cela revienne encore une fois sur le tapis. »


« Il faudrait pour changer de nom une décision du conseil municipal, mais cela m'étonnerait bien, a-t-elle encore dit. Pourquoi changer un nom qui remonte au Moyen Age, ou à plus loin encore ? Il fautrespecter ces vieux noms. » En 1992, le Mouvement contre le racisme et pour l'amitié entre les peuples avait effectué la même demande auprès du maire de l'époque, des autorités préfectorales et du ministère de l'intérieur.


En mai, un village du nord de l'Espagne baptisé « Castrillo Matajudios » (« Castrillo tue les juifs ») a voté lors d'un référendum en faveur du changement de nom de sa commune qui était, selon son maire, un peu lourd à porter. Vingt-six des 52 votants ont voté en faveur d'un nouveau nom, « Mota de Judios » (« la colline des juifs »).


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Espagne : le village « Tuez les juifs » veut changer de nom

LE MONDE | 18.04.2014 à 09h54 • Mis à jour le 18.04.2014 à 09h57



 


 



La basilique San Isidoro de Leon dans le Nord de l'Espagne.La basilique San Isidoro de Leon dans le Nord de l'Espagne. | AFP/CESAR MANSO

 


Une bourgade de 60 âmes construite autour d'une jolie petite église gothique et nichée au pied d'une colline perdue au fin fond de la Castille-Léon. Un village espagnol comme il en existe des milliers d'autres et qui serait resté dans l'anonymat si son maire n'avait pas entrepris d'en changer le nom. Il faut dire qu'il n'est pas facile à porter : Castrillo Matajudios, « Castrillo Tuez les juifs » dans sa traduction littérale.


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Espagne : le village « Tuez les juifs » veut changer de nom

LE MONDE | 18.04.2014 à 09h54 • Mis à jour le 18.04.2014 à 09h57



 


 



La basilique San Isidoro de Leon dans le Nord de l'Espagne.La basilique San Isidoro de Leon dans le Nord de l'Espagne. | AFP/CESAR MANSO

 


Une bourgade de 60 âmes construite autour d'une jolie petite église gothique et nichée au pied d'une colline perdue au fin fond de la Castille-Léon. Un village espagnol comme il en existe des milliers d'autres et qui serait resté dans l'anonymat si son maire n'avait pas entrepris d'en changer le nom. Il faut dire qu'il n'est pas facile à porter : Castrillo Matajudios, « Castrillo Tuez les juifs » dans sa traduction littérale.



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I don't understand how people can be so stupid, blaming Israel for a siege of Gaza, sending supplies from Europe because Israel doesn't allow any basics supply to the poor people, the reality is that Gaza has a border with Egypt you morons, and in Egypt they don't really care about the world's opinion so they hang in the city center the fanatic Muslims after a very short military trial, because they are a threat for their so called democracy, so why would they allow more to infiltrate their country? why no one is attacking Egypt for not letting the residents of Gaza free movement, why the Hamas rockets are targeting Israel and not targeting Egypt??? maybe because hundreds of trucks of supply are allowed to cross the Israeli/Gaza border daily, even during the days of this "mini" war, which other country in the world has such human moral ethics? and then the idiots around the world feel free to blame Israel, WTF.

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I don't understand how people can be so stupid, blaming Israel for a siege of Gaza, sending supplies from Europe because Israel doesn't allow any basics supply to the poor people, the reality is that Gaza has a border with Egypt you morons, and in Egypt they don't really care about the world's opinion so they hang in the city center the fanatic Muslims after a very short military trial, because they are a threat for their so called democracy, so why would they allow more to infiltrate their country? why no one is attacking Egypt for not letting the residents of Gaza free movement, why the Hamas rockets are targeting Israel and not targeting Egypt??? maybe because hundreds of trucks of supply are allowed to cross the Israeli/Gaza border daily, even during the days of this "mini" war, which other country in the world has such human moral ethics? and then the idiots around the world feel free to blame Israel, WTF.


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As soon as the renovation at the Eiffel tower are completed in 2018 it will look like this, good luck for France.



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As soon as the renovation at the Eiffel tower are completed in 2018 it will look like this, good luck for France.


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The blind "good" doers around the world do not see the big picture, and once they get their butt of the sofa and understand that the reality show is not on TV but on the streets of Europe, Australia and the US it will be too late, now the radical muslims have the Middle East (not including Israel),and most of Western Europe, unless it is stopped NOW, we will all be back to the middle ages.

P.S. it is not the fault of Israel or the IDF.

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The blind "good" doers around the world do not see the big picture, and once they get their butt of the sofa and understand that the reality show is not on TV but on the streets of Europe, Australia and the US it will be too late, now the radical muslims have the Middle East (not including Israel),and most of Western Europe, unless it is stopped NOW, we will all be back to the middle ages.

P.S. it is not the fault of Israel or the IDF.


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You are so full of shit Aldo, according to your profile you are 24 years old, yet you witnessed the war in 1967.. 

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You are so full of shit Aldo, according to your profile you are 24 years old, yet you witnessed the war in 1967.. 


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My culture doesn't allow me to use words to insult others.


I answered your comments with what I know and from my personal and family experience with tge zionist occupation of my country.


Given my age isn't an issue to be important in the discussion. I reommend you more sites to learn about the history of the Zionist terrorists who occupy my country Palestine. 


www.zochrot.org


www.guardian.150m.com/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm

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My culture doesn't allow me to use words to insult others.


I answered your comments with what I know and from my personal and family experience with tge zionist occupation of my country.


Given my age isn't an issue to be important in the discussion. I reommend you more sites to learn about the history of the Zionist terrorists who occupy my country Palestine. 


www.zochrot.org


www.guardian.150m.com/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm


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Sharia law in the London, good luck to the UK, I am speachless. 

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Sharia law in the London, good luck to the UK, I am speachless. 


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Finally, The Palestinians who hold Israreli passports and served in the Israeli Army and who defend the State of Israel and who ate Zionists more than Herzl, who speak and write the Hebrew as a mother tongue, confirm that the coexistence with the Jews is impossible. The Jews reject us because we aren't Jews, the Jews don't want us here, the want to kick us out of our homes.


http://reshet.tv/%D7%97%D7%93%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/News/Domestic/EducationSociety/Article,159257.aspx


1- Prof. Amal Jamal, Druz


2- Dr. Ahmad Darawsheh, Muslim


3- Journalist Lousi Harish, Inews 24, Muslim


4- Author Ayman Skik, writes in Hebrew, Muslim


 


 

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Finally, The Palestinians who hold Israreli passports and served in the Israeli Army and who defend the State of Israel and who ate Zionists more than Herzl, who speak and write the Hebrew as a mother tongue, confirm that the coexistence with the Jews is impossible. The Jews reject us because we aren't Jews, the Jews don't want us here, the want to kick us out of our homes.


http://reshet.tv/%D7%97%D7%93%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/News/Domestic/EducationSociety/Article,159257.aspx


1- Prof. Amal Jamal, Druz


2- Dr. Ahmad Darawsheh, Muslim


3- Journalist Lousi Harish, Inews 24, Muslim


4- Author Ayman Skik, writes in Hebrew, Muslim


 


 


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I don't really see where is the problem, Hamas should ask Egypt to open its border with Gaza and allow free movement between Gaza and Egypt, why Israel needs to supply medical care, passage to ports, work, etc. for the jihadists that live there, let Egypt deal with them.


 


Last time that the security services of Egypt arrested the jiadists (the ones it didn't kill during the arrest), they were sentenced to death by hanging, actually about 200 of them, did you see anyone boycotting Egypt? protesting in Europe or the US against Egypt? na its more fun to blame Israe, right? 


 


 

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I don't really see where is the problem, Hamas should ask Egypt to open its border with Gaza and allow free movement between Gaza and Egypt, why Israel needs to supply medical care, passage to ports, work, etc. for the jihadists that live there, let Egypt deal with them.


 


Last time that the security services of Egypt arrested the jiadists (the ones it didn't kill during the arrest), they were sentenced to death by hanging, actually about 200 of them, did you see anyone boycotting Egypt? protesting in Europe or the US against Egypt? na its more fun to blame Israe, right? 


 


 


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http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm
Occupation and international humanitarian law: questions and answers

04-08-2004

A series of questions and answers by the ICRC's legal team on what defines occupation, the laws that apply, how people are protected, and the ICRC's role.




1. What is occupation? 

Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations (HR) states that a " territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. "


According to their common Article 2, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 apply to any territory occupied during international hostilities. They also apply in situations where the occupation of state territory meets with no armed resistance.


The legality of any particular occupation is regulated by the UN Charter and the law known as jus ad bellum. Once a situation exists which factually amounts to an occupation the law of occupation applies – whether or not the occupation is considered lawful.


Therefore, for the applicability of the law of occupation, it makes no difference whether an occupation has received Security Council approval, what its aim is, or indeed whether it is called an “invasion”, “liberation”, “administration” or “occupation”. As the law of occupation is primarily motivated by humanitarian considerations, it is solely the facts on the ground that determine its application.


 



2. When does the law of occupation start to apply? 

The rules of international humanitarian law relevant to occupied territori es become applicable whenever territory comes under the effective control of hostile foreign armed forces, even if the occupation meets no armed resistance and there is no fighting.


The question of " control " calls up at least two different interpretations. It could be taken to mean that a situation of occupation exists whenever a party to a conflict exercises some level of authority or control within foreign territory. So, for example, advancing troops could be considered bound by the law of occupation already during the invasion phase of hostilities. This is the approach suggested in the ICRC'sCommentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention (1958).


An alternative and more restrictive approach would be to say that a situation of occupation exists only once a party to a conflict is in a position to exercise sufficient authority over enemy territory to enable it to discharge all of the duties imposed by the law of occupation. This approach is adopted by a number of military manuals.


  



3. What are the most important principles governing occupation?  

The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.


Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).


The main rules o f the law applicable in case of occupation state that:




The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.




Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.




The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.




The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.




To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.




The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.




Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.




Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.




Collective punishment is prohibited.




The taking of hostages is prohibited.




Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.




The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.




The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.




Cultural property must be respected.




People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charg ed with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).




Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.




 

4. What rights does the occupying power have regarding property and natural resources in the occupied territory? 

Private property

Private property cannot be confiscated by the occupier.


Food and medical supplies may be requisitioned exclusively for the use of the occupation forces and administration personnel themselves (i.e. not for purposes of export outside of the occupied territory and not for the benefit of anyone beyond the occupying personnel, unless necessary for the benefit of the population under occupation itself) and only if the needs of the civilian population have been taken into account (GC IV, art. 55).


Public property

The occupying power may seize any movable property, belonging to the state, which may be used for military operations (HR, art. 53).


The occupant does not acquire ownership of immovable public property in the occupied territory, since it is only a temporary administrator. Subject to restrictions regarding their exploitation and use, it can nevertheless make use of public property, including natural resources, but it must safeguard their capital value, in accordance with the law of usufruct (H R, art. 55).


 



5. When does occupation come to an end? 

The normal way for an occupation to e nd is for the occupying power to withdraw from the occupied territory or be driven out of it. However, the continued presence of foreign troops does not necessarily mean that occupation continues.


A transfer of authority to a local government re-establishing the full and free exercise of sovereignty will normally end the state of occupation, if the government agrees to the continued presence of foreign troops on its territory. However, the law of occupation may become applicable again if the situation on the ground changes, that is to say, if the territory again becomes " actually placed under the authority of the hostile army " (H R, art. 42) – in other words, under the control of foreign troops without the consent of the local authorities.


 



6. What is the situation of people deprived of their liberty, during and after occupation? 

Prisoners of war are captured members of armed forces and associated militias who meet the criteria laid down in the third Geneva Convention (GC III art. 4 A (2)); they are entitled to the rights granted in the Convention. All other people held in occupied territory are protected by the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV), apart from very few exceptions, such as the nationals of the occupying power or its allies. However, in no case can persons deprived of their liberty for reasons related to the situation of occupation fall outside the customary minimum standards guaranteed in article 75 of Protocol I.


Prisoners of war and civilian internees must be released without delay after the end of hostilities. However, those who are accused of an indictable offence may remain in captivity until the end of criminal proceedings or completion of their sentence (GC III, art. 119 (5), GC IV, art. 133 (2)). Until their release, and as long as they are under the authority of the occ upant, all those in custody remain protected by international humanitarian law (GC III, art. 5 (1) and GC IV, art. 6 (4)).


 



7. What is the basis for ICRC protection activities for persons deprived of their freedom during occupation and afterwards? 

The ICRC has a legal right to visit anyone captured in relation to an international armed conflict, including situations of occupation, on the basis of the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols (GC III, arts 9 and 126, GC IV, arts 10 and 143, AP I, art. 81).


If violence continues after the end of occupation, the ICRC's protection activities may have the following legal bases:


In non-international armed conflicts, the ICRC bases its detention activities on article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions (and Additional Protocol II, where applicable). Article 3 establishes the ICRC’s right to offer its services to the parties to the conflict with a view to engaging in relief action and visiting persons detained for reasons related to the conflict.


In other situations of internal violence, which fall short of armed conflict, the ICRC may offer its services based on its right of initiative laid down in the Statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement (articles 5(2)(d) and 5(3)).






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Occupation and international humanitarian law: questions and answers

04-08-2004

A series of questions and answers by the ICRC's legal team on what defines occupation, the laws that apply, how people are protected, and the ICRC's role.




1. What is occupation? 

Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations (HR) states that a " territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. "


According to their common Article 2, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 apply to any territory occupied during international hostilities. They also apply in situations where the occupation of state territory meets with no armed resistance.


The legality of any particular occupation is regulated by the UN Charter and the law known as jus ad bellum. Once a situation exists which factually amounts to an occupation the law of occupation applies – whether or not the occupation is considered lawful.


Therefore, for the applicability of the law of occupation, it makes no difference whether an occupation has received Security Council approval, what its aim is, or indeed whether it is called an “invasion”, “liberation”, “administration” or “occupation”. As the law of occupation is primarily motivated by humanitarian considerations, it is solely the facts on the ground that determine its application.


 



2. When does the law of occupation start to apply? 

The rules of international humanitarian law relevant to occupied territori es become applicable whenever territory comes under the effective control of hostile foreign armed forces, even if the occupation meets no armed resistance and there is no fighting.


The question of " control " calls up at least two different interpretations. It could be taken to mean that a situation of occupation exists whenever a party to a conflict exercises some level of authority or control within foreign territory. So, for example, advancing troops could be considered bound by the law of occupation already during the invasion phase of hostilities. This is the approach suggested in the ICRC'sCommentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention (1958).


An alternative and more restrictive approach would be to say that a situation of occupation exists only once a party to a conflict is in a position to exercise sufficient authority over enemy territory to enable it to discharge all of the duties imposed by the law of occupation. This approach is adopted by a number of military manuals.


  



3. What are the most important principles governing occupation?  

The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.


Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).


The main rules o f the law applicable in case of occupation state that:




The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.




Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.




The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.




The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.




To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.




The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.




Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.




Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.




Collective punishment is prohibited.




The taking of hostages is prohibited.




Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.




The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.




The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.




Cultural property must be respected.




People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charg ed with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).




Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.




 

4. What rights does the occupying power have regarding property and natural resources in the occupied territory? 

Private property

Private property cannot be confiscated by the occupier.


Food and medical supplies may be requisitioned exclusively for the use of the occupation forces and administration personnel themselves (i.e. not for purposes of export outside of the occupied territory and not for the benefit of anyone beyond the occupying personnel, unless necessary for the benefit of the population under occupation itself) and only if the needs of the civilian population have been taken into account (GC IV, art. 55).


Public property

The occupying power may seize any movable property, belonging to the state, which may be used for military operations (HR, art. 53).


The occupant does not acquire ownership of immovable public property in the occupied territory, since it is only a temporary administrator. Subject to restrictions regarding their exploitation and use, it can nevertheless make use of public property, including natural resources, but it must safeguard their capital value, in accordance with the law of usufruct (H R, art. 55).


 



5. When does occupation come to an end? 

The normal way for an occupation to e nd is for the occupying power to withdraw from the occupied territory or be driven out of it. However, the continued presence of foreign troops does not necessarily mean that occupation continues.


A transfer of authority to a local government re-establishing the full and free exercise of sovereignty will normally end the state of occupation, if the government agrees to the continued presence of foreign troops on its territory. However, the law of occupation may become applicable again if the situation on the ground changes, that is to say, if the territory again becomes " actually placed under the authority of the hostile army " (H R, art. 42) – in other words, under the control of foreign troops without the consent of the local authorities.


 



6. What is the situation of people deprived of their liberty, during and after occupation? 

Prisoners of war are captured members of armed forces and associated militias who meet the criteria laid down in the third Geneva Convention (GC III art. 4 A (2)); they are entitled to the rights granted in the Convention. All other people held in occupied territory are protected by the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV), apart from very few exceptions, such as the nationals of the occupying power or its allies. However, in no case can persons deprived of their liberty for reasons related to the situation of occupation fall outside the customary minimum standards guaranteed in article 75 of Protocol I.


Prisoners of war and civilian internees must be released without delay after the end of hostilities. However, those who are accused of an indictable offence may remain in captivity until the end of criminal proceedings or completion of their sentence (GC III, art. 119 (5), GC IV, art. 133 (2)). Until their release, and as long as they are under the authority of the occ upant, all those in custody remain protected by international humanitarian law (GC III, art. 5 (1) and GC IV, art. 6 (4)).


 



7. What is the basis for ICRC protection activities for persons deprived of their freedom during occupation and afterwards? 

The ICRC has a legal right to visit anyone captured in relation to an international armed conflict, including situations of occupation, on the basis of the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols (GC III, arts 9 and 126, GC IV, arts 10 and 143, AP I, art. 81).


If violence continues after the end of occupation, the ICRC's protection activities may have the following legal bases:


In non-international armed conflicts, the ICRC bases its detention activities on article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions (and Additional Protocol II, where applicable). Article 3 establishes the ICRC’s right to offer its services to the parties to the conflict with a view to engaging in relief action and visiting persons detained for reasons related to the conflict.


In other situations of internal violence, which fall short of armed conflict, the ICRC may offer its services based on its right of initiative laid down in the Statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement (articles 5(2)(d) and 5(3)).






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check this:


http://www.i24news.tv/en/mobile#content/40570



'ASSIMILATION IS HOLOCAUST FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE'


Israeli right-wing anti-miscegenation protesters direct abuse at wedding between Muslim man, Jewish-born woman


Hundreds of Israeli anti-miscegenation protesters gathered on Sunday near the venue of a widely publicized wedding between a Muslim man and a Jewish-born woman in the city of Rishon LeZion, shouting anti-Arab hate speech and slogans equating marriage between Jews and Arabs to the Holocaust.Moti Kimchi/Ynet


The slogans reportedly included "death to Arabs," "dump that donkey" and "Jewish women for Jewish men."


A dozens-strong counter-protest was held close to the venue, with the participants voicing their support to the couple.


Earlier in the day an Israeli court ruled that a protest against the wedding can be held a mere 200 meters from the venue, after Mahmoud Mansour and Morel Malka submitted an appealed the court to issue an injunction preventing the right wing members of The Organization for Prevention of Assimilation in the Holy Land (LEHAVA) from demonstrating at their wedding venue.


Rishon LeZion Magistrates' court judge initially asked the police to find a public space removed at least 500 meters from the hall to hold the protest. The police suggested to hold the protest in an adjacent parking lot, some 200 meters from the venue.


In the hearing the couple's lawyer, Yaniv Segev, said there is a real concern for the safety of the couple.Ynet/ Hassan Shaalan


The couple had to hire 14 security guards for their wedding celebration in response to LEHAVA's call for a protest rally at the event.


Police said they would send personnel to the area to prevent any disturbance.


Mansour, who is Muslim, and Malka, who has recently converted to Islam, are already legally married, according to media reports.


Bentzi Gupstein, the chairman of LEHAVA, told Israeli site NRG that his group objects to the wedding because of the recent war between Hamas and Israel.


“We are still at war and she is marrying a member of the enemy,” he said.


The father of the bride told Israel’sChannel 10 that he plans to boycott the wedding.


“I never dreamed that my daughter would marry an Arab,” he said. “I’m not going, period.”


Some 800 guests are expected to attend the wedding ceremony.


 


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check this:


http://www.i24news.tv/en/mobile#content/40570



'ASSIMILATION IS HOLOCAUST FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE'


Israeli right-wing anti-miscegenation protesters direct abuse at wedding between Muslim man, Jewish-born woman


Hundreds of Israeli anti-miscegenation protesters gathered on Sunday near the venue of a widely publicized wedding between a Muslim man and a Jewish-born woman in the city of Rishon LeZion, shouting anti-Arab hate speech and slogans equating marriage between Jews and Arabs to the Holocaust.Moti Kimchi/Ynet


The slogans reportedly included "death to Arabs," "dump that donkey" and "Jewish women for Jewish men."


A dozens-strong counter-protest was held close to the venue, with the participants voicing their support to the couple.


Earlier in the day an Israeli court ruled that a protest against the wedding can be held a mere 200 meters from the venue, after Mahmoud Mansour and Morel Malka submitted an appealed the court to issue an injunction preventing the right wing members of The Organization for Prevention of Assimilation in the Holy Land (LEHAVA) from demonstrating at their wedding venue.


Rishon LeZion Magistrates' court judge initially asked the police to find a public space removed at least 500 meters from the hall to hold the protest. The police suggested to hold the protest in an adjacent parking lot, some 200 meters from the venue.


In the hearing the couple's lawyer, Yaniv Segev, said there is a real concern for the safety of the couple.Ynet/ Hassan Shaalan


The couple had to hire 14 security guards for their wedding celebration in response to LEHAVA's call for a protest rally at the event.


Police said they would send personnel to the area to prevent any disturbance.


Mansour, who is Muslim, and Malka, who has recently converted to Islam, are already legally married, according to media reports.


Bentzi Gupstein, the chairman of LEHAVA, told Israeli site NRG that his group objects to the wedding because of the recent war between Hamas and Israel.


“We are still at war and she is marrying a member of the enemy,” he said.


The father of the bride told Israel’sChannel 10 that he plans to boycott the wedding.


“I never dreamed that my daughter would marry an Arab,” he said. “I’m not going, period.”


Some 800 guests are expected to attend the wedding ceremony.


 



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Mansour, who is Muslim, and Malka, who has recently converted to Islam, are already legally married, according to media reports.


 


Personally, I'm against converting from one religion to another.


It seems the couple propose a solution to the conflict in Palestine!


 

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Mansour, who is Muslim, and Malka, who has recently converted to Islam, are already legally married, according to media reports.


 


Personally, I'm against converting from one religion to another.


It seems the couple propose a solution to the conflict in Palestine!


 


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Mansour, who is Muslim, and Malka, who has recently converted to Islam, are already legally married, according to media reports.

 

Personally, I'm against converting from one religion to another.

It seems the couple propose a solution to the conflict in Palestine!

 


Aug 17, 14 21:16

You are an idiot, "It seems the couple propose a solution to the conflict in Palestine!" converting to Islam of the Israeli jews will never happen, you can dream about it, but under the sharia law you can live in Iran, you try it in Israel and we will fry your balls, understood?


The dark times in history that jews didn't protect themselves are over and for good, you raise your hand towards us and we will cut it.


The bride's father never imagined that his daughter will marry a muslim, I am sure you know that in your shitty koran its said that beating upi your wife is allowed, can you imagine which kind of a non muslim father wishes that to his daughter???


 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence


 


Do you want to reply what will be the future of a muslim woman if she says that she wants to marry a jew? I am not sure that you would like to expose in public what it means a "kill for the honor of the family" that her brothers/father/uncle whowever available will do to her for the sake of the honor of the family.


 


 


 


 

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You are an idiot, "It seems the couple propose a solution to the conflict in Palestine!" converting to Islam of the Israeli jews will never happen, you can dream about it, but under the sharia law you can live in Iran, you try it in Israel and we will fry your balls, understood?


The dark times in history that jews didn't protect themselves are over and for good, you raise your hand towards us and we will cut it.


The bride's father never imagined that his daughter will marry a muslim, I am sure you know that in your shitty koran its said that beating upi your wife is allowed, can you imagine which kind of a non muslim father wishes that to his daughter???


 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence


 


Do you want to reply what will be the future of a muslim woman if she says that she wants to marry a jew? I am not sure that you would like to expose in public what it means a "kill for the honor of the family" that her brothers/father/uncle whowever available will do to her for the sake of the honor of the family.


 


 


 


 


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The dirty words have no place in my text. I consider you a human and yoi deserve my respect as human even if you didn't show your respect to me. Your faute doesn't justify mine! 


Eye to eye is primitive pricipal which I reject. I believe in respecting my values whatever the others do of violations.


if you are an example of your people, I'm sure that no woman muslim or not would think to marry with you or with others who behave like you. The text has no importance but the actions which have the importance. Violence is rejetted and we shouldn't use the violence even if the texts give the permission. We know as civilised people that violrnce failed to solve any problem either at individual level or between groups.


 


I'm for the mixte marriage and I'm for the freedom of each parent to pass his/her values to their children. No conflict beteeen the human values whatever is their source!


Mahmoud and Morel aren't the first couple and willn't be the last. There are many and one example is Jasmin Avissar and Osama Zatar who are married since 2006 and live in Vienna

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The dirty words have no place in my text. I consider you a human and yoi deserve my respect as human even if you didn't show your respect to me. Your faute doesn't justify mine! 


Eye to eye is primitive pricipal which I reject. I believe in respecting my values whatever the others do of violations.


if you are an example of your people, I'm sure that no woman muslim or not would think to marry with you or with others who behave like you. The text has no importance but the actions which have the importance. Violence is rejetted and we shouldn't use the violence even if the texts give the permission. We know as civilised people that violrnce failed to solve any problem either at individual level or between groups.


 


I'm for the mixte marriage and I'm for the freedom of each parent to pass his/her values to their children. No conflict beteeen the human values whatever is their source!


Mahmoud and Morel aren't the first couple and willn't be the last. There are many and one example is Jasmin Avissar and Osama Zatar who are married since 2006 and live in Vienna


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Please read the following to understand that many Jews comverted to Islam at the 8th century as the case in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Turkey , etc...


As you see that I might have Jewish roots! Then why I'm kicked out from my country Palestine and replaced by a Jewish who never lived in the country? Should I be Jewish to live in my country?


In 638 CE, the Byzantine Empire lost the Levant to the Arab Islamic Empire. According to Moshe Gil, at the time of the Arab conquest in 7th century, the majority of the population was Jewish or Samaritan.[66] According to one estimate, the Jews of Palestine numbered between 300,000 and 400,000 at the time.[67] After the conquest, the majority of the population (probably including many Jews) became Arabized in culture and language, many also adopting the new faith of Islam.[68] The Muslims continued to ban the building of new synagogues.[69] Until the Crusades took Palestine in 1099, various Muslim dynasties controlled Palestine. It was first ruled by the Medinah-based Rashidun Caliphs, then by the Damascus-based Umayyad Caliphate and after by the Baghdad-based Abbasid Caliphs.


After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[70] Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there.[71] But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount,[72] a policy which remained in place for over the next 1,000 years of Islamic rule.[73] In around 875, Karaite leader Daniel al-Kumisi arrived in Jerusalem and established an ascetic community of Mourners of Zion.[74] Michael the Syrian notes thirty synagogues which were destroyed in Tiberias by the earthquake of 749.[75]

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Please read the following to understand that many Jews comverted to Islam at the 8th century as the case in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Turkey , etc...


As you see that I might have Jewish roots! Then why I'm kicked out from my country Palestine and replaced by a Jewish who never lived in the country? Should I be Jewish to live in my country?


In 638 CE, the Byzantine Empire lost the Levant to the Arab Islamic Empire. According to Moshe Gil, at the time of the Arab conquest in 7th century, the majority of the population was Jewish or Samaritan.[66] According to one estimate, the Jews of Palestine numbered between 300,000 and 400,000 at the time.[67] After the conquest, the majority of the population (probably including many Jews) became Arabized in culture and language, many also adopting the new faith of Islam.[68] The Muslims continued to ban the building of new synagogues.[69] Until the Crusades took Palestine in 1099, various Muslim dynasties controlled Palestine. It was first ruled by the Medinah-based Rashidun Caliphs, then by the Damascus-based Umayyad Caliphate and after by the Baghdad-based Abbasid Caliphs.


After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[70] Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there.[71] But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount,[72] a policy which remained in place for over the next 1,000 years of Islamic rule.[73] In around 875, Karaite leader Daniel al-Kumisi arrived in Jerusalem and established an ascetic community of Mourners of Zion.[74] Michael the Syrian notes thirty synagogues which were destroyed in Tiberias by the earthquake of 749.[75]


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"He said in an interview that the souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else, yet his job is secure."

Eli Ben-Dahan


Eli Ben-Dahan Photo: Wikimedia Commons
Imagine for a moment that the religious affairs minister in some democratic country – England or Switzerland for example – were to make a public statement that “the souls of all Christians are superior to the souls of Jews.” Would Israel not make a fuss? Would not the ADL and the Weisenthal Center cry out in protest? Would not Jews in that country demand the immediate resignation of such an official? But in Israel, the man who fills such a slot – Deputy Religious Services Minister Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan – recently said just that about Christians. He is quoted as saying in an interview which he knew would be published that the souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else, yet his job is secure.

Nearly a week has passed since his outrageous statements were printed in Ma’ariv and, to the best of my knowledge, nary a peep of protest has been heard from any member of the government, from the president and prime minister on down, nor from our esteemed chief rabbis, who should know that silence is equivalent to consent.

I have waited to hear the head of Ben-Dahan’s Bayit Yehudi party, Naftali Bennett, who supposedly represents enlightened Orthodoxy, say, “it isn’t true, all humans are equal,” but that hasn’t happened. Nor has Yair Lapid, whose Yesh Atid favors progressive religion and who is responsible more than anyone else for Ben-Dahan having his position, denounced this teaching. A government that had an ounce of integrity or shame would have insisted on the resignation of a person in charge of religious affairs who dared to make such a statement. How can he represent Israel to leaders of other religions or be allowed to represent Judaism to Jews? Unfortunately Ben-Dahan’s view of the inherent superiority of Jews over gentiles is not his alone. He represents a well-known teaching prevalent in certain circles, including many hassidic texts such as those of Chabad. These concepts, that view the gentile as somehow inferior to the Jew, are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Judaism’s basic texts – the Torah and the prophets, as well as to those of many great rabbinic sages.

The most fundamental teaching of the Torah is that human beings – all human beings, men and women, Jews and non-Jews – are created in the image of God.

“And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). It was on that basis that murder was forbidden.

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for in His image did God made man” (Genesis 9:6). When the prophet Amos said, “To Me, O Israelites, you are just like the Cushites – declares the Lord” (Amos 9:7), he was expressing the concept that although Israel has a covenantal relationship with God, there is no inherent superiority in the people of Israel. All peoples are God’s equal creation.

The Sages taught the same lesson. “Why was only one human being – Adam – created? So that no one should say to his fellow, ‘My father was greater than your father’” (Sanhedrin 4:5). Ben-Azzai said that the greatest principle of the Torah was expressed in the verse, “This is the record of Adam’s line – When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God” (Genesis 5:1), stressing again that God created all human beings in His likeness. Rabbi Akiva based his theology on the idea that “Beloved is man for he was created in the Image; greater still was the love in that it was made known to him that he was created in the Image of God, as it is written, ‘For in the image of God made he man’” (Avot 3:15).

As the midrash says, “I call heaven and earth as witnesses: The spirit of holiness rests upon each person according to the deed that each does, whether that person be non-Jew or Jew, man or woman, manservant or maidservant” (Seder Eliyahu Rabba 9).

The pernicious doctrine that Jewish souls are higher than other souls is a perversion of these Jewish teachings and should be denounced as a dangerous heresy. It is dangerous because any such teaching of superiority of one group over another leads to actions in which humans can be treated as inferior, as less than human and eventually can be disposed of as well. We have suffered from this ourselves, and teaching it to our children will only lead to Jews treating others badly, as indeed has already happened. It may be that others who held prominent positions in our governments have held the same view as Ben-Dahan, but at least they never uttered it in public. By doing so, Ben-Dahan has rendered himself persona non-grata and should have the good grace to resign. If not, he should be told to leave. We are constantly asking others to condemn those who speak disparagingly of Jews or Judaism. We have asked more than one pope to change the liturgy so as not to show Jews in a bad light. Should not we ask the same thing of ourselves and denounce any Jewish teaching that demeans non-Jews? Israel must not be in a position in which others can point to us and say, “Look what your government is teaching about non-Jews before you complain about what others are saying about you.”

As Hillel said, all of Judaism can be encapsulated in the idea that we are not to do to others what is hateful to us (Shabbat 31a). Ben-Dahan has violated that rule.

The writer is a former president of the International Rabbinical Assembly, a well-known lecturer and writer, whose most recent book isThe Torah Revolution. 

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The text you are quoting:
"He said in an interview that the souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else, yet his job is secure."

Eli Ben-Dahan


Eli Ben-Dahan Photo: Wikimedia Commons
Imagine for a moment that the religious affairs minister in some democratic country – England or Switzerland for example – were to make a public statement that “the souls of all Christians are superior to the souls of Jews.” Would Israel not make a fuss? Would not the ADL and the Weisenthal Center cry out in protest? Would not Jews in that country demand the immediate resignation of such an official? But in Israel, the man who fills such a slot – Deputy Religious Services Minister Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan – recently said just that about Christians. He is quoted as saying in an interview which he knew would be published that the souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else, yet his job is secure.

Nearly a week has passed since his outrageous statements were printed in Ma’ariv and, to the best of my knowledge, nary a peep of protest has been heard from any member of the government, from the president and prime minister on down, nor from our esteemed chief rabbis, who should know that silence is equivalent to consent.

I have waited to hear the head of Ben-Dahan’s Bayit Yehudi party, Naftali Bennett, who supposedly represents enlightened Orthodoxy, say, “it isn’t true, all humans are equal,” but that hasn’t happened. Nor has Yair Lapid, whose Yesh Atid favors progressive religion and who is responsible more than anyone else for Ben-Dahan having his position, denounced this teaching. A government that had an ounce of integrity or shame would have insisted on the resignation of a person in charge of religious affairs who dared to make such a statement. How can he represent Israel to leaders of other religions or be allowed to represent Judaism to Jews? Unfortunately Ben-Dahan’s view of the inherent superiority of Jews over gentiles is not his alone. He represents a well-known teaching prevalent in certain circles, including many hassidic texts such as those of Chabad. These concepts, that view the gentile as somehow inferior to the Jew, are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Judaism’s basic texts – the Torah and the prophets, as well as to those of many great rabbinic sages.

The most fundamental teaching of the Torah is that human beings – all human beings, men and women, Jews and non-Jews – are created in the image of God.

“And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). It was on that basis that murder was forbidden.

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for in His image did God made man” (Genesis 9:6). When the prophet Amos said, “To Me, O Israelites, you are just like the Cushites – declares the Lord” (Amos 9:7), he was expressing the concept that although Israel has a covenantal relationship with God, there is no inherent superiority in the people of Israel. All peoples are God’s equal creation.

The Sages taught the same lesson. “Why was only one human being – Adam – created? So that no one should say to his fellow, ‘My father was greater than your father’” (Sanhedrin 4:5). Ben-Azzai said that the greatest principle of the Torah was expressed in the verse, “This is the record of Adam’s line – When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God” (Genesis 5:1), stressing again that God created all human beings in His likeness. Rabbi Akiva based his theology on the idea that “Beloved is man for he was created in the Image; greater still was the love in that it was made known to him that he was created in the Image of God, as it is written, ‘For in the image of God made he man’” (Avot 3:15).

As the midrash says, “I call heaven and earth as witnesses: The spirit of holiness rests upon each person according to the deed that each does, whether that person be non-Jew or Jew, man or woman, manservant or maidservant” (Seder Eliyahu Rabba 9).

The pernicious doctrine that Jewish souls are higher than other souls is a perversion of these Jewish teachings and should be denounced as a dangerous heresy. It is dangerous because any such teaching of superiority of one group over another leads to actions in which humans can be treated as inferior, as less than human and eventually can be disposed of as well. We have suffered from this ourselves, and teaching it to our children will only lead to Jews treating others badly, as indeed has already happened. It may be that others who held prominent positions in our governments have held the same view as Ben-Dahan, but at least they never uttered it in public. By doing so, Ben-Dahan has rendered himself persona non-grata and should have the good grace to resign. If not, he should be told to leave. We are constantly asking others to condemn those who speak disparagingly of Jews or Judaism. We have asked more than one pope to change the liturgy so as not to show Jews in a bad light. Should not we ask the same thing of ourselves and denounce any Jewish teaching that demeans non-Jews? Israel must not be in a position in which others can point to us and say, “Look what your government is teaching about non-Jews before you complain about what others are saying about you.”

As Hillel said, all of Judaism can be encapsulated in the idea that we are not to do to others what is hateful to us (Shabbat 31a). Ben-Dahan has violated that rule.

The writer is a former president of the International Rabbinical Assembly, a well-known lecturer and writer, whose most recent book isThe Torah Revolution. 

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This is ONLY one example of the Muslim attitude towards women, one might wonder if there is a corelation between the growth rate of rapes of women in the Western world by muslim "men", to their "holy" and "peacful" religion. 

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Uri Davis, an Israeli citizen, academic, activist and observer-member in thePalestinian National Council living in the Arab town of Sakhnin, identifies himself as an "anti-Zionist Palestinian Jew".[8][9]Davis explains, "I don’t describe myself as a Palestinian Jew, I actually happen to be a Palestinian Jew, I was born inJerusalem in 1943 in a country called Palestine and the title of my birth certificate is 'Government of Palestine'. That is neither here nor there, though. It is significant only in a political context in which I am situated, and the political context that is relevant to my work, my advocacy of a critique of Zionism. I'm an anti-Zionist Jew."[9] He has since converted to Islam in 2008 to marry a Palestinian Muslim woman Miyassar Abu Ali whom he met in 2006.[10][11]

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Uri Davis, an Israeli citizen, academic, activist and observer-member in thePalestinian National Council living in the Arab town of Sakhnin, identifies himself as an "anti-Zionist Palestinian Jew".[8][9]Davis explains, "I don’t describe myself as a Palestinian Jew, I actually happen to be a Palestinian Jew, I was born inJerusalem in 1943 in a country called Palestine and the title of my birth certificate is 'Government of Palestine'. That is neither here nor there, though. It is significant only in a political context in which I am situated, and the political context that is relevant to my work, my advocacy of a critique of Zionism. I'm an anti-Zionist Jew."[9] He has since converted to Islam in 2008 to marry a Palestinian Muslim woman Miyassar Abu Ali whom he met in 2006.[10][11]


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The lady in the video says exactly what your friends in Daesh דאעש or ISIS Islamic state in Iraq and Syria are doing theses days of selling the women from the yazidi community for 150.- US$ each. This is the logic of the primitives who use the texte to justify their crimes. The Zionists did the same, they used the text of 3000 years back in history to kill and destroy and uproot a nation from their villages and towns in Palestine because of a sentence in the text of 3000 years old. 

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The lady in the video says exactly what your friends in Daesh דאעש or ISIS Islamic state in Iraq and Syria are doing theses days of selling the women from the yazidi community for 150.- US$ each. This is the logic of the primitives who use the texte to justify their crimes. The Zionists did the same, they used the text of 3000 years back in history to kill and destroy and uproot a nation from their villages and towns in Palestine because of a sentence in the text of 3000 years old. 


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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/180382/students-justice-palestine#undefined

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Why Jews hate the Zionists?


 


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Holocaust survivor:



ISRAEL, GAZA: Holocaust survivor explains why she became Palestinian rights activist


Hedy hugeHedy Epstein is what some might see as a contradiction in terms: a survivor of the Holocaust and also a staunch advocate for the Palestinian people. Born in 1924 in Freiburg, Germany, Epstein was 14 when she escaped from Nazi persecution via theKinderstransport to England. Since her 1948 arrival in the U.S., Epstein has been an advocate for peace and human rights. 


In 2001 she founded the St. Louis chapter of the Women in Black anti-war group that originated in Israel, and has actively advocated for Palestinian rights since visiting the West Bank in 2003. As the last decade came to a close, Epstein continued her advocacy by traveling with the women’s peace advocacy group CodePink to the Gaza Freedom March. The Dec. 31 march was a planned nonviolent demonstration to protest Israel’s blockade of Gaza, with 1,000 advocates from abroad joining Palestinians in a march to the Gaza-Israel border checkpoint. 


Although Egyptian authorities refused to let the full contingent of protesters into Gaza, the 100 activists that were permitted to enter carried on the anti-blockade message. Prior to the planned Gaza march, Epstein spoke with Babylon and Beyond about her past experiences in Israel, dealing with the controversy of being a Holocaust survivor who criticizes Israel, and the Gaza Freedom March.


 




How did you get interested in the Israel/Palestine issue?
I was born in Germany, I'm Jewish -- after Hitler came to power, my parents realized very quickly that Germany was not a good place to raise a family. They were willing to go anywhere in the world, but one place they were not willing to go to was Palestine -- they were anti-Zionists. As a child I didn't quite understand this, but if my parents were anti-Zionist, I was anti-Zionist. I came to the U.S. in 1948, around the same time Israel became a state, about which I had mixed feelings. On the one hand it was a place for Holocaust survivors to go to, those who could not or did not want to return to their homes, but on the other, I considered my parents' ardent anti-Zionism. While I was new in the U.S., Israel and Palestine remained on the back burner of my interests. In 1982, I heard about the massacres in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon -- I wanted to know who was responsible for this, what had happened between 1948 and 1982. As I learned more, I became increasingly disturbed by the policies of Israel and its military. Fast forward to 2003 -- I was in the West Bank for the first time, and have been there five times since then.

This will be my third try to go to Gaza. The first try was with the Free Gaza Movement when they tried to take boats through Israel's naval blockade, but right before, in Cypress, I became ill -- it was 120 degrees, with matching humidity. The second try, the Free Gaza Movement members were worried what about might happen to me, so in deference I didn't go with them. I was to go again in June 2009, but the day before I was to go, I was assaulted. I don't know whether I was targeted or if it was a random act of violence -- I was coming back from the airport, but my suitcase and pocketbook, neither were touched -- it was not theft.


Why did you decide to go with CodePink and participate in the group's Gaza Freedom March?
I've known about CodePink for quite some time and when I found out they were planning a march to Gaza, I decided I would go. I tried twice and didn't succeed, and so maybe the third time is the charm. Egyptian organizers recently told the group they could not go through the Rafah border (more information). Other times groups were told they could not go, but then were permitted to go with restrictions. So we will go forward, and we'll take it one day, one minute at a time. And if we don't get in, that too will make a huge statement.
 
How have people reacted to your decision to be an advocate for Palestinians?
It depends whom you're talking to or whom you're talking about. The mainstream, organized Jewish community, both locally and in other places, have called me anti-Semitic, a self-hating Jew. I'm not anti-Israel, but you're not allowed to criticize Israel or else you're anti-Semitic, and if you're Jewish you're a self-hating Jew. I don't hate myself. You're allowed to criticize every other country, including the U.S., but not Israel, why is that?
 
How do you think Israel will respond to nonviolence/direct action?
I don't know. I hope they will be nonviolent. When I was in the West Bank, before I went, I was told that the Palestinians are going to hurt me, they are going to do awful things to me. But they were the ones that protected me. In one demonstration, in 2006, near Ramallah, I lost some of my hearing because an Israeli sound bomb went off very close to me. The Palestinians near me were very concerned. I was strip-searched, internally searched at Israel's David Ben Gurion airport, I was told that “I was a terrorist, I'm a security risk.” An 80-year-old woman is a terrorist? What, do I have a bomb in my vagina?
 
Do you think there can be peace in Israel in the near future?
In the near future, no. I'm an inveterate optimist, so someday there will be peace, but a lot of things have to change before that happens. If the occupation were to stop overnight, it would make all the difference in the world. Israel is the fourth-largest military entity in the world. They have the newest equipment, and it's used on the Palestinians. Also, if the U.S. stopped funding Israel, that would be another way of bringing about peace. We have humongous problems in this country, people are unemployed, losing their homes, we could use that money instead of overseas in a destructive way. Let's use it constructively. I think we should let the people decide what they want instead of telling them what they should do.

-- Daniel Siegal


 



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Holocaust survivor:



ISRAEL, GAZA: Holocaust survivor explains why she became Palestinian rights activist


Hedy hugeHedy Epstein is what some might see as a contradiction in terms: a survivor of the Holocaust and also a staunch advocate for the Palestinian people. Born in 1924 in Freiburg, Germany, Epstein was 14 when she escaped from Nazi persecution via theKinderstransport to England. Since her 1948 arrival in the U.S., Epstein has been an advocate for peace and human rights. 


In 2001 she founded the St. Louis chapter of the Women in Black anti-war group that originated in Israel, and has actively advocated for Palestinian rights since visiting the West Bank in 2003. As the last decade came to a close, Epstein continued her advocacy by traveling with the women’s peace advocacy group CodePink to the Gaza Freedom March. The Dec. 31 march was a planned nonviolent demonstration to protest Israel’s blockade of Gaza, with 1,000 advocates from abroad joining Palestinians in a march to the Gaza-Israel border checkpoint. 


Although Egyptian authorities refused to let the full contingent of protesters into Gaza, the 100 activists that were permitted to enter carried on the anti-blockade message. Prior to the planned Gaza march, Epstein spoke with Babylon and Beyond about her past experiences in Israel, dealing with the controversy of being a Holocaust survivor who criticizes Israel, and the Gaza Freedom March.


 




How did you get interested in the Israel/Palestine issue?
I was born in Germany, I'm Jewish -- after Hitler came to power, my parents realized very quickly that Germany was not a good place to raise a family. They were willing to go anywhere in the world, but one place they were not willing to go to was Palestine -- they were anti-Zionists. As a child I didn't quite understand this, but if my parents were anti-Zionist, I was anti-Zionist. I came to the U.S. in 1948, around the same time Israel became a state, about which I had mixed feelings. On the one hand it was a place for Holocaust survivors to go to, those who could not or did not want to return to their homes, but on the other, I considered my parents' ardent anti-Zionism. While I was new in the U.S., Israel and Palestine remained on the back burner of my interests. In 1982, I heard about the massacres in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon -- I wanted to know who was responsible for this, what had happened between 1948 and 1982. As I learned more, I became increasingly disturbed by the policies of Israel and its military. Fast forward to 2003 -- I was in the West Bank for the first time, and have been there five times since then.

This will be my third try to go to Gaza. The first try was with the Free Gaza Movement when they tried to take boats through Israel's naval blockade, but right before, in Cypress, I became ill -- it was 120 degrees, with matching humidity. The second try, the Free Gaza Movement members were worried what about might happen to me, so in deference I didn't go with them. I was to go again in June 2009, but the day before I was to go, I was assaulted. I don't know whether I was targeted or if it was a random act of violence -- I was coming back from the airport, but my suitcase and pocketbook, neither were touched -- it was not theft.


Why did you decide to go with CodePink and participate in the group's Gaza Freedom March?
I've known about CodePink for quite some time and when I found out they were planning a march to Gaza, I decided I would go. I tried twice and didn't succeed, and so maybe the third time is the charm. Egyptian organizers recently told the group they could not go through the Rafah border (more information). Other times groups were told they could not go, but then were permitted to go with restrictions. So we will go forward, and we'll take it one day, one minute at a time. And if we don't get in, that too will make a huge statement.
 
How have people reacted to your decision to be an advocate for Palestinians?
It depends whom you're talking to or whom you're talking about. The mainstream, organized Jewish community, both locally and in other places, have called me anti-Semitic, a self-hating Jew. I'm not anti-Israel, but you're not allowed to criticize Israel or else you're anti-Semitic, and if you're Jewish you're a self-hating Jew. I don't hate myself. You're allowed to criticize every other country, including the U.S., but not Israel, why is that?
 
How do you think Israel will respond to nonviolence/direct action?
I don't know. I hope they will be nonviolent. When I was in the West Bank, before I went, I was told that the Palestinians are going to hurt me, they are going to do awful things to me. But they were the ones that protected me. In one demonstration, in 2006, near Ramallah, I lost some of my hearing because an Israeli sound bomb went off very close to me. The Palestinians near me were very concerned. I was strip-searched, internally searched at Israel's David Ben Gurion airport, I was told that “I was a terrorist, I'm a security risk.” An 80-year-old woman is a terrorist? What, do I have a bomb in my vagina?
 
Do you think there can be peace in Israel in the near future?
In the near future, no. I'm an inveterate optimist, so someday there will be peace, but a lot of things have to change before that happens. If the occupation were to stop overnight, it would make all the difference in the world. Israel is the fourth-largest military entity in the world. They have the newest equipment, and it's used on the Palestinians. Also, if the U.S. stopped funding Israel, that would be another way of bringing about peace. We have humongous problems in this country, people are unemployed, losing their homes, we could use that money instead of overseas in a destructive way. Let's use it constructively. I think we should let the people decide what they want instead of telling them what they should do.

-- Daniel Siegal


 




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Why Jews hate the Zionists?


 


A Jewish American young woman publishes a personal video and asks:


I'm Jewish and since the war on Gaza I became a Self-hating Jews!


 


http://youtu.be/QLDE4mRwfSQ

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A Jewish American young woman publishes a personal video and asks:


I'm Jewish and since the war on Gaza I became a Self-hating Jews!


 


http://youtu.be/QLDE4mRwfSQ


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Miko Peled: The General's Son - Geneva

 A conference in Geneva , Switzerland on 14th May 2014


 


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Miko Peled: The General's Son - Geneva

 A conference in Geneva , Switzerland on 14th May 2014


 


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Noam Chomsky "Israel On The Road To Self-Destruction"

 http://youtu.be/OA-40Gl_AHc


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Noam Chomsky "Israel On The Road To Self-Destruction"

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This Video is to show the Jewish Community around the world among others who are outraged that there religion Judaism has been hijacked by Zionists who happen to be secular. The Zionists are using the sympathy of the Jews from events in World War 2 to justify there Brutal Occupation of Palestine and the Ethnic Cleansing of Arabs from the region.


The Recent Assault on Gaza Has united people around the world with a common enemy which is zionism and this will help bring Justice to the Oppressed, We Recognise Jews Who stand with the Palestinians and a message sent from all quarters of the world to the Palestinians You Are Not Alone.http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk


 

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Why Jews hate Zionists?


 


This Video is to show the Jewish Community around the world among others who are outraged that there religion Judaism has been hijacked by Zionists who happen to be secular. The Zionists are using the sympathy of the Jews from events in World War 2 to justify there Brutal Occupation of Palestine and the Ethnic Cleansing of Arabs from the region.


The Recent Assault on Gaza Has united people around the world with a common enemy which is zionism and this will help bring Justice to the Oppressed, We Recognise Jews Who stand with the Palestinians and a message sent from all quarters of the world to the Palestinians You Are Not Alone.http://youtu.be/Gsqj3HH4NVk


 


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Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for 'Gaza massacre,' call for boycott
In response to Elie Wiesel advertisement comparing Hamas to Nazis, 327 Jewish Holocaust survivors and descendants publish New York Times ad accusing Israel of 'ongoing massacre of the Palestinian people.'

Palestinian men look on as a bomb from an Israeli air strike hits a house in Gaza City on August 23,Palestinian men look on as a bomb from an Israeli air strike hits a house in Gaza City on August 23, 2014. / Photo by AFP


By Haaretz
Published 17:24 23.08.14

Hundreds of Holocaust survivors and descendants of survivors have signed a letter, published as an advertisement in Saturday's New York Times, condemning "the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza" and calling for a complete boycott of Israel.


According to the letter, the condemnation was prompted by anadvertisement written by Elie Wiesel and published in major news outlets worldwide, accusing Hamas of "child sacrifice" and comparing the group to the Nazis.


Letter as published in New York Times, August 23, 2014.Letter as published in New York Times, August 23, 2014. /


The letter, signed by 327 Jewish Holocaust survivors and descendants of survivors and sponsored by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, accuses Wiesel of "abuse of history" in order to justify Israel's actions in the Gaza Strip:


"…we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water."


The letter also blames the United States of aiding Israel in its Gaza operation, and the West in general of protecting Israel from condemnation.


"Genocide begins with the silence of the world," the letter reads.


The letter ends with a call to bring the blockade of Gaza to an immediate end, and for a full boycott of Israel. "Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!," the letter concludes.


Full text of letter:


"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza


"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.


"We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.


"Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.


"We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"


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The text you are quoting:

Why Jews hate Zionists?


 


Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for 'Gaza massacre,' call for boycott
In response to Elie Wiesel advertisement comparing Hamas to Nazis, 327 Jewish Holocaust survivors and descendants publish New York Times ad accusing Israel of 'ongoing massacre of the Palestinian people.'

Palestinian men look on as a bomb from an Israeli air strike hits a house in Gaza City on August 23,Palestinian men look on as a bomb from an Israeli air strike hits a house in Gaza City on August 23, 2014. / Photo by AFP


By Haaretz
Published 17:24 23.08.14

Hundreds of Holocaust survivors and descendants of survivors have signed a letter, published as an advertisement in Saturday's New York Times, condemning "the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza" and calling for a complete boycott of Israel.


According to the letter, the condemnation was prompted by anadvertisement written by Elie Wiesel and published in major news outlets worldwide, accusing Hamas of "child sacrifice" and comparing the group to the Nazis.


Letter as published in New York Times, August 23, 2014.Letter as published in New York Times, August 23, 2014. /


The letter, signed by 327 Jewish Holocaust survivors and descendants of survivors and sponsored by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, accuses Wiesel of "abuse of history" in order to justify Israel's actions in the Gaza Strip:


"…we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water."


The letter also blames the United States of aiding Israel in its Gaza operation, and the West in general of protecting Israel from condemnation.


"Genocide begins with the silence of the world," the letter reads.


The letter ends with a call to bring the blockade of Gaza to an immediate end, and for a full boycott of Israel. "Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!," the letter concludes.


Full text of letter:


"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza


"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.


"We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.


"Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.


"We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"


For full list of the letter's signatories, click here
 



 

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Aldo L, Aug 23, 2014 @ 19:38
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Why Jews hate Zionists?


 


Elie Wiesel does not have the Auschwitz tatoo he claims to have

Exclusive investigation of Enquête & Débat. (pour lire la version française de cet article,cliquez ici)
Who doesn’t know Elie Wiesel ? Living conscience of the Shoah, he is one of  the survivors of the camps, if not the most famous and recognized of all of them throughout the world. Nobel peace prize in 1986, over 10 million copies sold of his book Nightthroughout the world since its first publication in 1958, docteur honoris causa of over a hundred universities in the world, Grand-croix de la Légion d’honneur in France, he had also been awarded Congressional Gold Medal of Achievement. However, our investigation proves and confirms that Elie Wiesel does not have the Auschwitz tatoo he claims to have (in his book Night, which cannot be considered as fiction according to him, and in other public declarations, including certain that have been made under oath), the number A-7713. The first one ever to have revealed it, with absolutely no media to talk about it, was Nikolaus Grüner, also an Auschwitz survivor, who wrote a book about this and many other things about Elie Wiesel. Since we couldn’t check each and every story contained in his book, Stolen Identity, we wanted to check the most overwhelming fact, by contacting Auschwitz first by mail, then by phone. The head of Archive of the Auschwitz Museum, M. Plosa, confirmed that the number A-7713, which Elie Wiesel claims without ever displaying it publicly, was attributed to Lazar Wisel, born 15 years before him, and who therefore cannot get mixed up with him.


First here is the phone call with M. Plosa :


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw5uoe


And the mail he sent us a few days before :


 


 


 

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Why Jews hate Zionists?


 


Elie Wiesel does not have the Auschwitz tatoo he claims to have

Exclusive investigation of Enquête & Débat. (pour lire la version française de cet article,cliquez ici)
Who doesn’t know Elie Wiesel ? Living conscience of the Shoah, he is one of  the survivors of the camps, if not the most famous and recognized of all of them throughout the world. Nobel peace prize in 1986, over 10 million copies sold of his book Nightthroughout the world since its first publication in 1958, docteur honoris causa of over a hundred universities in the world, Grand-croix de la Légion d’honneur in France, he had also been awarded Congressional Gold Medal of Achievement. However, our investigation proves and confirms that Elie Wiesel does not have the Auschwitz tatoo he claims to have (in his book Night, which cannot be considered as fiction according to him, and in other public declarations, including certain that have been made under oath), the number A-7713. The first one ever to have revealed it, with absolutely no media to talk about it, was Nikolaus Grüner, also an Auschwitz survivor, who wrote a book about this and many other things about Elie Wiesel. Since we couldn’t check each and every story contained in his book, Stolen Identity, we wanted to check the most overwhelming fact, by contacting Auschwitz first by mail, then by phone. The head of Archive of the Auschwitz Museum, M. Plosa, confirmed that the number A-7713, which Elie Wiesel claims without ever displaying it publicly, was attributed to Lazar Wisel, born 15 years before him, and who therefore cannot get mixed up with him.


First here is the phone call with M. Plosa :


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw5uoe


And the mail he sent us a few days before :


 


 


 


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how about this one? 


 


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3515/arabs-hate-kill-palestinians

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how about this one? 


 


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3515/arabs-hate-kill-palestinians


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https://www.google.it/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=AeCjVLzZIq2s8weu1oLoCQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=map+of+israel+and+palestine+over+time&facrc=_&imgrc=zx_wAWE4b1wweM%253A%3Bundefined%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.popularresistance.org%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F08%252FOccupied-Palestine-Map-2-Stu.jpeg%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.popularresistance.org%252Fchomsky-israels-west-bank-plans-leave-palestinians-very-little%252F%3B500%3B312


hamas wants israel destroyed yes, thats what they "say"....the reality is the opposite.. "silently" israel is achieving destruction of palestine....map says it all

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hamas wants israel destroyed yes, thats what they "say"....the reality is the opposite.. "silently" israel is achieving destruction of palestine....map says it all


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All I can say is; 



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The only country in the Middle East that will never live under the Sharia law is Israel, 



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Ron D, Feb 5, 2015 @ 15:42
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Why so much hatred. Most Israelis and Arabs want to live in peace side by side. Let's get rid of extremists from both sides. And more important, let's dissociate religion and politics. As long as this has not been done it will be impossible to achieve anything!


I know this is somehow naive, but not forbidden to dream.

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Why so much hatred. Most Israelis and Arabs want to live in peace side by side. Let's get rid of extremists from both sides. And more important, let's dissociate religion and politics. As long as this has not been done it will be impossible to achieve anything!


I know this is somehow naive, but not forbidden to dream.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/nyregion/damages-awarded-in-terror-case-against-palestinian-groups.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0

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smile2sandro, Feb 23, 2015 @ 19:47
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http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/suggests-officials-netanyahu?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=c27dcfdfdd-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-c27dcfdfdd-398527717


US accusing israel of lying (again) about iran! if israel loves peace so much then why they doing everything possible to thwart peace talks between iran and US? 

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US accusing israel of lying (again) about iran! if israel loves peace so much then why they doing everything possible to thwart peace talks between iran and US? 


fazzi, Feb 24, 2015 @ 11:51
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Very likely because Iran vowed to destroy Israel,.. just a thought though..

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Very likely because Iran vowed to destroy Israel,.. just a thought though..


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Israel uses this as a pretext to get money and sympathy from US...how on earth do you think iran could destroy israel, when israel has 200-300 nucelear weapons and iran has none? This is the same propaganda israel uses against palestinians, whilst at the same time taking palestinian land illegally and literally wiping palestine off the map...reminds me so much of school bullies who pick fights with the weak and then go whining to the teacher that they been victims


and by the way, regarding nuclear weapons, israel has NOT signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, whereas iran (in spite of all the media pressure we see on their nuclear programme) has signed it...so israel is the last country in the world which should go about preaching about who should and who shouldnt have nukes.

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Israel uses this as a pretext to get money and sympathy from US...how on earth do you think iran could destroy israel, when israel has 200-300 nucelear weapons and iran has none? This is the same propaganda israel uses against palestinians, whilst at the same time taking palestinian land illegally and literally wiping palestine off the map...reminds me so much of school bullies who pick fights with the weak and then go whining to the teacher that they been victims


and by the way, regarding nuclear weapons, israel has NOT signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, whereas iran (in spite of all the media pressure we see on their nuclear programme) has signed it...so israel is the last country in the world which should go about preaching about who should and who shouldnt have nukes.


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Well, it has never been confirmed nor proven that Israel has a nuclear arsenal. I think Iran's sponsorship of the terrorists that have been targeting Israel however has been very real and is proven.


Just a little fun fact here; http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/nyregion/damages-awarded-in-terror-case-against-palestinian-groups.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0


The Palestinian Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organization were found liable on Monday by a jury in Manhattan for their role in knowingly supporting six terrorist attacks in Israel between 2002 and 2004 in which Americans were killed and injured.


The damages are to be $655.5 million, under a special terrorism law that provides for tripling the $218.5 million awarded by the jury in Federal District Court.


You say Israel steals palestinian land? how so? based upon what border line and from which treaty.. its all very tiresome but in the end Palestine still very much exists it is just called Jordan!! 


I understand this website has some questionable articles but this looks very legid and the quotes I checked are very true...


http://tundratabloids.com/jordan-is-palestine


By the way I'm neither Jewish nor an Israelite but I think that everybody is sooo brainwashed, including the Palestinian people that its not even funny anymore.


The people from the Gaza strip were asked by their ARAB neighbours to leave their land.. so that they could get writ of the Jews.. only that did not work out like they planned.. since they lost that war.. its all pretty messy actually.


 

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Well, it has never been confirmed nor proven that Israel has a nuclear arsenal. I think Iran's sponsorship of the terrorists that have been targeting Israel however has been very real and is proven.


Just a little fun fact here; http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/nyregion/damages-awarded-in-terror-case-against-palestinian-groups.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0


The Palestinian Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organization were found liable on Monday by a jury in Manhattan for their role in knowingly supporting six terrorist attacks in Israel between 2002 and 2004 in which Americans were killed and injured.


The damages are to be $655.5 million, under a special terrorism law that provides for tripling the $218.5 million awarded by the jury in Federal District Court.


You say Israel steals palestinian land? how so? based upon what border line and from which treaty.. its all very tiresome but in the end Palestine still very much exists it is just called Jordan!! 


I understand this website has some questionable articles but this looks very legid and the quotes I checked are very true...


http://tundratabloids.com/jordan-is-palestine


By the way I'm neither Jewish nor an Israelite but I think that everybody is sooo brainwashed, including the Palestinian people that its not even funny anymore.


The people from the Gaza strip were asked by their ARAB neighbours to leave their land.. so that they could get writ of the Jews.. only that did not work out like they planned.. since they lost that war.. its all pretty messy actually.


 


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with regards Israel´s nuclear arsenal it was actually an israeli whistleblower who leaked it back in 1986


very interesing story, involving a lot of israeli spying on its own allies


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal


The amazing thing is that just as Netanyahu was delivering his mickey-mouse presentation to the UN back in 2012 saying Iran was developing nuclear weapons, Mossad itself was contradicting him...in other words, Netanyahu was LYING in order to justify bombing Iran (he will try this again in the US congress next week). To cause another illegal war, just like Paul Wolfowity, Lewis Libby, and Dick Cheney had done back in 2003 with Iraq. Creating false evidence to bomb another middle eastern country. 


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11431083/Israels-Netanyahu-exaggerated-Iranian-nuclear-threat.html


 


With regards, israeli stealing of land, ONLY IN 2014, according to official UN figures, israel demolished 1177 palestinian homes, again with complete disregard for international law


http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/israel-demolished-palestinians


The building of the security wall itself was clearly a land grab, condemned by the ICJ and the UN


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48236#.VPGM0fmG9Cc


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=11292#.VPGPCvmG9Cc


So when you hear Hamas saying they will wipe israel off the face of the earth, take a breath and maybe even have a laugh because the opposite is what has been happening...


Israel's borders have expanded consistently throughout its six decades of history.


 

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with regards Israel´s nuclear arsenal it was actually an israeli whistleblower who leaked it back in 1986


very interesing story, involving a lot of israeli spying on its own allies


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal


The amazing thing is that just as Netanyahu was delivering his mickey-mouse presentation to the UN back in 2012 saying Iran was developing nuclear weapons, Mossad itself was contradicting him...in other words, Netanyahu was LYING in order to justify bombing Iran (he will try this again in the US congress next week). To cause another illegal war, just like Paul Wolfowity, Lewis Libby, and Dick Cheney had done back in 2003 with Iraq. Creating false evidence to bomb another middle eastern country. 


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11431083/Israels-Netanyahu-exaggerated-Iranian-nuclear-threat.html


 


With regards, israeli stealing of land, ONLY IN 2014, according to official UN figures, israel demolished 1177 palestinian homes, again with complete disregard for international law


http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/israel-demolished-palestinians


The building of the security wall itself was clearly a land grab, condemned by the ICJ and the UN


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48236#.VPGM0fmG9Cc


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=11292#.VPGPCvmG9Cc


So when you hear Hamas saying they will wipe israel off the face of the earth, take a breath and maybe even have a laugh because the opposite is what has been happening...


Israel's borders have expanded consistently throughout its six decades of history.


 


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Ohhh Casuistik, no fun... you beat me to it :-) it's too easy these PR games from Hamas and their misinformation.



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Ohhh Casuistik, no fun... you beat me to it :-) it's too easy these PR games from Hamas and their misinformation.


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This is what I say to the Hamas PR machine and all they have brainwashed...







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This is what I say to the Hamas PR machine and all they have brainwashed...


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism 


 


I am just putting this link here, for all of naives who believe that the world its a better place with islamization of the Western world. 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism 


 


I am just putting this link here, for all of naives who believe that the world its a better place with islamization of the Western world. 


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http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahus-speech-israel?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=c01eeb119b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-c01eeb119b-398527717


Written by a jew, after Netanyahu's war-mongering speech


 

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Written by a jew, after Netanyahu's war-mongering speech


 


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Sandro, i remind you of israel's use of white phosphorous (considered a chemical weapon and certainly far more lethal than "shrapnel", especially when dropped by state of the art F16 jets!) in gaza in 2009 and in lebanon in 2006 against civilian targets.


 


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza


http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-admits-using-phosphorus-bombs-during-war-in-lebanon-1.203078

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Sandro, i remind you of israel's use of white phosphorous (considered a chemical weapon and certainly far more lethal than "shrapnel", especially when dropped by state of the art F16 jets!) in gaza in 2009 and in lebanon in 2006 against civilian targets.


 


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza


http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-admits-using-phosphorus-bombs-during-war-in-lebanon-1.203078


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The difference between Israel and the Palestinians in this regard is that Israel targets terrorists hiding behind civilians while taegeting Israeli civilians, it's all about moral values and respect to human lives.


 


Now, a sisi declared a war against the Muslims brotherhood in Sinai desert and the Hamas, he started with the Egyptian special forces a cleansing process and kills them daily and will not stop until they are all dead, I don't mind him doing so and the world couldn't care less.


Norway exiled 824 Muslims that were involved in terror last October, and even the liberal party remained silent when terror/crime level dropped byore than 30%.


Imagine that Israel would have done the same, the whole fuckin world will scream for injustice.


 


I salute a sisi and the Norwegian politicians that act as leaders and do what is right for their people.


 


Terrorists should be killed, their houses destroyed and whole extended family exiled to ISIS land.


 


 

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The difference between Israel and the Palestinians in this regard is that Israel targets terrorists hiding behind civilians while taegeting Israeli civilians, it's all about moral values and respect to human lives.


 


Now, a sisi declared a war against the Muslims brotherhood in Sinai desert and the Hamas, he started with the Egyptian special forces a cleansing process and kills them daily and will not stop until they are all dead, I don't mind him doing so and the world couldn't care less.


Norway exiled 824 Muslims that were involved in terror last October, and even the liberal party remained silent when terror/crime level dropped byore than 30%.


Imagine that Israel would have done the same, the whole fuckin world will scream for injustice.


 


I salute a sisi and the Norwegian politicians that act as leaders and do what is right for their people.


 


Terrorists should be killed, their houses destroyed and whole extended family exiled to ISIS land.


 


 


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so only in Gaza 2014 war, Israel drops 20,000 tonnes of bombs as well as white phosphorus on an area the size of manhattan, supposedly to defend itself from the "lethal" Palestinian home-made mortars, and Israel STILL have the moral high ground ?? this is what you call moral values and respect to human lives? 


if you only look at the casualty numbers for the Gaza war of 2014,  2104 palestinians were killed of which 1462 were civilians (i,e, 70% are civilians!). On the israeli side, of the 69 casualties 4 were civilians and the rest IDF soldiers (i.e., 5.8% were civilian)....see UN figures here   http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_28_08_2014.pdf 


In the 2008-2009 war on Gaza, over 700 palestinian civilians lost their lives versus 3 israeli civilians and 6 IDF soldiers....http://www.btselem.org/download/20090909_cast_lead_fatalities_eng.pdf


Even Israeli paper Haaretz was so shocked by what the IDF had done in the 2008-9 war, that they called for an an investigation of IDF...http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/investigate-now-1.268622


In the 2006 Lebanon war, the casualties on the lebanon side were 1,200 of which close to 1,000 were civilians, on the Israeli side it was 119 soldiers and 40 civilians. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6981557.stm


With numbers like this, I am not sure how you can possibly claim that Israel conducts its wars "with moral values and respect to human lives"


With regards to some information that the Washington Blog gives to US citizens on Israel and Palestine, you will see that it is Israel that overwhelmingly flaunts UN resolutions, thus losing its moral high ground


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html


"Gaza cannot commit aggression against Israel, since Israel is in constant and continual commission of illegal aggression against Palestine by occupying it (illegally and sadistically blockading it and frequently committing terrorism against its civilians, including by targeting them with chemical weapons provided by US taxpayers – see “Rain of Fire” by Human Rights Watch). As documented by Amnesty Int’l, Human Rights Watch, and many others,Israel intentionally targets and murders civilians, including children, en masse"


I highly recommend you read that blog.


 


With regards to your admiration for Al-Sisi, you say he is "doing right for his people"....well, he is actually murdering his own people....


This is the same man who came to power in an illegal coup détat and is having peaceful demonstrators executed/killed for no other reason than staging peaceful protests


http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/01/26/egypt-protesters-killed-marking-revolution


With regards to eradicating terrorism, well, i am afraid your solution is a little blunt and would be difficult to put in practise since many terrorist acts are committed by government officials themselves in so-called "false flag operations"...you´d end up having to murder an awful lot of people! Check some of this out...nothing new!  http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/54-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html


Coming back to the middle east, Unfortunately, the West (especially the US) has played a huge part in creating 2 of the largest terrorist networks...al-qaeda directly in the 1980´s and ISIS indirectly by FIRSTLY ILLEGALLY INVADING IRAQ, and secondly, allowing its allies to finance them (Saudi and Qatar in particular, huge allies of the US in the middle east). 


I am certain that the day the "West" finally leaves the middle east in peace, and I promise you they will the day the oil tap runs out, the so-called "islamic" terrorism will disappear almost instantly. 

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so only in Gaza 2014 war, Israel drops 20,000 tonnes of bombs as well as white phosphorus on an area the size of manhattan, supposedly to defend itself from the "lethal" Palestinian home-made mortars, and Israel STILL have the moral high ground ?? this is what you call moral values and respect to human lives? 


if you only look at the casualty numbers for the Gaza war of 2014,  2104 palestinians were killed of which 1462 were civilians (i,e, 70% are civilians!). On the israeli side, of the 69 casualties 4 were civilians and the rest IDF soldiers (i.e., 5.8% were civilian)....see UN figures here   http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_28_08_2014.pdf 


In the 2008-2009 war on Gaza, over 700 palestinian civilians lost their lives versus 3 israeli civilians and 6 IDF soldiers....http://www.btselem.org/download/20090909_cast_lead_fatalities_eng.pdf


Even Israeli paper Haaretz was so shocked by what the IDF had done in the 2008-9 war, that they called for an an investigation of IDF...http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/investigate-now-1.268622


In the 2006 Lebanon war, the casualties on the lebanon side were 1,200 of which close to 1,000 were civilians, on the Israeli side it was 119 soldiers and 40 civilians. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6981557.stm


With numbers like this, I am not sure how you can possibly claim that Israel conducts its wars "with moral values and respect to human lives"


With regards to some information that the Washington Blog gives to US citizens on Israel and Palestine, you will see that it is Israel that overwhelmingly flaunts UN resolutions, thus losing its moral high ground


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html


"Gaza cannot commit aggression against Israel, since Israel is in constant and continual commission of illegal aggression against Palestine by occupying it (illegally and sadistically blockading it and frequently committing terrorism against its civilians, including by targeting them with chemical weapons provided by US taxpayers – see “Rain of Fire” by Human Rights Watch). As documented by Amnesty Int’l, Human Rights Watch, and many others,Israel intentionally targets and murders civilians, including children, en masse"


I highly recommend you read that blog.


 


With regards to your admiration for Al-Sisi, you say he is "doing right for his people"....well, he is actually murdering his own people....


This is the same man who came to power in an illegal coup détat and is having peaceful demonstrators executed/killed for no other reason than staging peaceful protests


http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/01/26/egypt-protesters-killed-marking-revolution


With regards to eradicating terrorism, well, i am afraid your solution is a little blunt and would be difficult to put in practise since many terrorist acts are committed by government officials themselves in so-called "false flag operations"...you´d end up having to murder an awful lot of people! Check some of this out...nothing new!  http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/54-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html


Coming back to the middle east, Unfortunately, the West (especially the US) has played a huge part in creating 2 of the largest terrorist networks...al-qaeda directly in the 1980´s and ISIS indirectly by FIRSTLY ILLEGALLY INVADING IRAQ, and secondly, allowing its allies to finance them (Saudi and Qatar in particular, huge allies of the US in the middle east). 


I am certain that the day the "West" finally leaves the middle east in peace, and I promise you they will the day the oil tap runs out, the so-called "islamic" terrorism will disappear almost instantly. 


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so only in Gaza 2014 war, Israel drops 20,000 tonnes of bombs as well as white phosphorus on an area the size of manhattan, supposedly to defend itself from the "lethal" Palestinian home-made mortars, and Israel STILL have the moral high ground ?? this is what you call moral values and respect to human lives? 

if you only look at the casualty numbers for the Gaza war of 2014,  2104 palestinians were killed of which 1462 were civilians (i,e, 70% are civilians!). On the israeli side, of the 69 casualties 4 were civilians and the rest IDF soldiers (i.e., 5.8% were civilian)....see UN figures here   http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_28_08_2014.pdf 

In the 2008-2009 war on Gaza, over 700 palestinian civilians lost their lives versus 3 israeli civilians and 6 IDF soldiers....http://www.btselem.org/download/20090909_cast_lead_fatalities_eng.pdf

Even Israeli paper Haaretz was so shocked by what the IDF had done in the 2008-9 war, that they called for an an investigation of IDF...http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/investigate-now-1.268622

In the 2006 Lebanon war, the casualties on the lebanon side were 1,200 of which close to 1,000 were civilians, on the Israeli side it was 119 soldiers and 40 civilians. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6981557.stm

With numbers like this, I am not sure how you can possibly claim that Israel conducts its wars "with moral values and respect to human lives"

With regards to some information that the Washington Blog gives to US citizens on Israel and Palestine, you will see that it is Israel that overwhelmingly flaunts UN resolutions, thus losing its moral high ground

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

"Gaza cannot commit aggression against Israel, since Israel is in constant and continual commission of illegal aggression against Palestine by occupying it (illegally and sadistically blockading it and frequently committing terrorism against its civilians, including by targeting them with chemical weapons provided by US taxpayers – see “Rain of Fire” by Human Rights Watch). As documented by Amnesty Int’l, Human Rights Watch, and many others,Israel intentionally targets and murders civilians, including children, en masse"

I highly recommend you read that blog.

 

With regards to your admiration for Al-Sisi, you say he is "doing right for his people"....well, he is actually murdering his own people....

This is the same man who came to power in an illegal coup détat and is having peaceful demonstrators executed/killed for no other reason than staging peaceful protests

http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/01/26/egypt-protesters-killed-marking-revolution

With regards to eradicating terrorism, well, i am afraid your solution is a little blunt and would be difficult to put in practise since many terrorist acts are committed by government officials themselves in so-called "false flag operations"...you´d end up having to murder an awful lot of people! Check some of this out...nothing new!  http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/54-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html

Coming back to the middle east, Unfortunately, the West (especially the US) has played a huge part in creating 2 of the largest terrorist networks...al-qaeda directly in the 1980´s and ISIS indirectly by FIRSTLY ILLEGALLY INVADING IRAQ, and secondly, allowing its allies to finance them (Saudi and Qatar in particular, huge allies of the US in the middle east). 

I am certain that the day the "West" finally leaves the middle east in peace, and I promise you they will the day the oil tap runs out, the so-called "islamic" terrorism will disappear almost instantly. 


Mar 5, 15 01:09

When the Palestinians shoot their missiles from civilian neigborhoods and force civilians to be next to the launcher, what option does the IDF have,?? it's only objective is to protect the lives of Israelies and enemy missiles launchers must be destroyed wherever they are and that it's the only reason for Palestinians civilian casualties, and I am sure you know the expression in arabic that say" thousands mothers should cry but not my mother!", regarding the terror influenced By Americans in the middle east and your promise that it will stop once oil will run out, do you also believe that muslim terrorism in: France, belgium, Norway, Russia, thailand, Philippine, Australia, Nigeri, USA, etc. will stop as well when there will not be more oil in the middle east? 

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When the Palestinians shoot their missiles from civilian neigborhoods and force civilians to be next to the launcher, what option does the IDF have,?? it's only objective is to protect the lives of Israelies and enemy missiles launchers must be destroyed wherever they are and that it's the only reason for Palestinians civilian casualties, and I am sure you know the expression in arabic that say" thousands mothers should cry but not my mother!", regarding the terror influenced By Americans in the middle east and your promise that it will stop once oil will run out, do you also believe that muslim terrorism in: France, belgium, Norway, Russia, thailand, Philippine, Australia, Nigeri, USA, etc. will stop as well when there will not be more oil in the middle east? 


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if islamic terrorism is cut of its main source of financing, i.e., Oil...states like Saudi Arabia for example, would barely have money to survive, let alone sponsor terrorism


in the meantime, since oil is not expected to disappear anytime soon, to reduce terrorism it would be useful if the US stopped playing double standards, and put pressure on Saudis to stop financing terrorist networks around the world...


take the case of the classified information that US WILL NOT RELEASE which would implicate many Saudi "royalty"...


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/claims-against-saudis-cast-new-light-on-secret-pages-of-9-11-report.html?_r=0


And lastly for a laugh, you can always count on Jon Stewart....Enjoy!


http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/13ry42/bibi-s-big-adventure

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if islamic terrorism is cut of its main source of financing, i.e., Oil...states like Saudi Arabia for example, would barely have money to survive, let alone sponsor terrorism


in the meantime, since oil is not expected to disappear anytime soon, to reduce terrorism it would be useful if the US stopped playing double standards, and put pressure on Saudis to stop financing terrorist networks around the world...


take the case of the classified information that US WILL NOT RELEASE which would implicate many Saudi "royalty"...


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/claims-against-saudis-cast-new-light-on-secret-pages-of-9-11-report.html?_r=0


And lastly for a laugh, you can always count on Jon Stewart....Enjoy!


http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/13ry42/bibi-s-big-adventure


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Extremism is becoming "mainstream" as Israeli foreign minister calls for beheading of arabs who are not "loyal"...


 


http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.646076


http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/minister-beheading-anywhere?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=2c28fabaa3-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-2c28fabaa3-398527717

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Extremism is becoming "mainstream" as Israeli foreign minister calls for beheading of arabs who are not "loyal"...


 


http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.646076


http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/minister-beheading-anywhere?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=2c28fabaa3-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-2c28fabaa3-398527717


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Extremism is becoming "mainstream" as Israeli foreign minister calls for beheading of arabs who are not "loyal"...

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.646076

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/minister-beheading-anywhere?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=2c28fabaa3-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-2c28fabaa3-398527717


Mar 12, 15 09:59

And what's wrong with beheading Muslims terrorists ? 

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And what's wrong with beheading Muslims terrorists ? 


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i don´t see anywhere in the articles that Liebermann says he wants to behead "muslim terrorists" but just arabs in general who happen not to agree with the notion of an israel for jews only...


i am yet to come across a foreign minister of a country who openly favours a policy ISIS is carrying out...basically it boils down to "behead them if they are different to us"...sort of spanish inquisition medieval style


the incredible thing is that only 2 western papers are even reporting this...had a palestinian minister made a similar statement we would have been fed the news 24 hours a day for at least a week but i suppose its OK if an Israeli minister says it...


 


 


 

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i don´t see anywhere in the articles that Liebermann says he wants to behead "muslim terrorists" but just arabs in general who happen not to agree with the notion of an israel for jews only...


i am yet to come across a foreign minister of a country who openly favours a policy ISIS is carrying out...basically it boils down to "behead them if they are different to us"...sort of spanish inquisition medieval style


the incredible thing is that only 2 western papers are even reporting this...had a palestinian minister made a similar statement we would have been fed the news 24 hours a day for at least a week but i suppose its OK if an Israeli minister says it...


 


 


 


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i don´t see anywhere in the articles that Liebermann says he wants to behead "muslim terrorists" but just arabs in general who happen not to agree with the notion of an israel for jews only...

i am yet to come across a foreign minister of a country who openly favours a policy ISIS is carrying out...basically it boils down to "behead them if they are different to us"...sort of spanish inquisition medieval style

the incredible thing is that only 2 western papers are even reporting this...had a palestinian minister made a similar statement we would have been fed the news 24 hours a day for at least a week but i suppose its OK if an Israeli minister says it...

 

 

 


Mar 12, 15 15:58

Selective memory can be a virtue (sometime):


1. Iranian politicians


2. syrian politicians


3. Irakian politicians


4. Etc.


And see where they are now..


 


the problem is not what anyone says or think, it's irrelevant, the only problem is the rapid pace of europe's Islamization and its negative impact on the continent and its citizens.

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Selective memory can be a virtue (sometime):


1. Iranian politicians


2. syrian politicians


3. Irakian politicians


4. Etc.


And see where they are now..


 


the problem is not what anyone says or think, it's irrelevant, the only problem is the rapid pace of europe's Islamization and its negative impact on the continent and its citizens.


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1 in 4 Swedish Women Will Be Raped as Sexual Assaults Increase 500%
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Sweden has imported huge numbers of Muslim immigrants with catastrophic effect.



Sweden’s population grew from 9 million to 9.5 million in the years 2004-2012, mainly due to immigration from “countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia”. 16 percent of all newborns have mothers born in non-Western countries. Employment rate among immigrants: 54 percent.



Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.


In 2003, Sweden’s rape statistics were higher than average at 9.24, but in 2005 they shot up to 36.8 and by 2008 were up to 53.2. Now they are almost certainly even higher as Muslim immigrants continue forming a larger percentage of the population.


With Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases and a major increase in rape cases paralleling a major increase in Muslim immigration, the wages of Muslim immigration are proving to be a sexual assault epidemic by a misogynistic ideology.


The statistics are skewed by urban centers where the Islamic colonists cluster. In Stockholm this summer there  was an average of 5 rapes a day. Stockholm has gone from a Swedish city to a city that is one-third immigrant and is between a fifth and a quarter Muslim.


Sweden, like the rest of the West, will have to come to terms with the fact that it can either have female equality or Muslim immigration. It cannot have both.


 Happy to host fugitives but Burn the fuckers when they behave like this or don't respect the local culture or law!!




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Sweden has imported huge numbers of Muslim immigrants with catastrophic effect.



Sweden’s population grew from 9 million to 9.5 million in the years 2004-2012, mainly due to immigration from “countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia”. 16 percent of all newborns have mothers born in non-Western countries. Employment rate among immigrants: 54 percent.



Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.


In 2003, Sweden’s rape statistics were higher than average at 9.24, but in 2005 they shot up to 36.8 and by 2008 were up to 53.2. Now they are almost certainly even higher as Muslim immigrants continue forming a larger percentage of the population.


With Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases and a major increase in rape cases paralleling a major increase in Muslim immigration, the wages of Muslim immigration are proving to be a sexual assault epidemic by a misogynistic ideology.


The statistics are skewed by urban centers where the Islamic colonists cluster. In Stockholm this summer there  was an average of 5 rapes a day. Stockholm has gone from a Swedish city to a city that is one-third immigrant and is between a fifth and a quarter Muslim.


Sweden, like the rest of the West, will have to come to terms with the fact that it can either have female equality or Muslim immigration. It cannot have both.


 Happy to host fugitives but Burn the fuckers when they behave like this or don't respect the local culture or law!!



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