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I am about to start a new contract in Africa and would be grateful for any advice on tax for Swiss residents working in other countries.


Is there any difference in taxes and social charges imposed on swiss residents working abroad (say, on six month contract) vs swiss residents working in Switzerland? 


Specifically, what are the variances in rate, cost base etc for deductions such as the AVS, Prevoyance Professionelle (LPP) and obviously tax taken at source?


Until now I have always had these deducted at source. If however an agency pays me a gross daily rate, am I still obliged to pay the above as if I were living in Switzerland? 


Already understand "at source" vs declaring taxable income and payments due via tax return; am more interested in differences in rate and loopholes/penalties.


Also, does it make any difference if I am paid via a salary or via a daily rate? Is there an advantage is setting up a small company and charging them independently?


There is no Double Taxation Agreement between the country of work and Switzerland. (not relevant to this issue anyway)


I have a B Permit and really enjoy living in Switzerland. The savings would have to be significant before I would give it up. Or is it also fairly easy to get the B Permit reinstated if I already had one for 2.5 years?


many thanks for comments or contacts regarding any point above!

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I am about to start a new contract in Africa and would be grateful for any advice on tax for Swiss residents working in other countries.


Is there any difference in taxes and social charges imposed on swiss residents working abroad (say, on six month contract) vs swiss residents working in Switzerland? 


Specifically, what are the variances in rate, cost base etc for deductions such as the AVS, Prevoyance Professionelle (LPP) and obviously tax taken at source?


Until now I have always had these deducted at source. If however an agency pays me a gross daily rate, am I still obliged to pay the above as if I were living in Switzerland? 


Already understand "at source" vs declaring taxable income and payments due via tax return; am more interested in differences in rate and loopholes/penalties.


Also, does it make any difference if I am paid via a salary or via a daily rate? Is there an advantage is setting up a small company and charging them independently?


There is no Double Taxation Agreement between the country of work and Switzerland. (not relevant to this issue anyway)


I have a B Permit and really enjoy living in Switzerland. The savings would have to be significant before I would give it up. Or is it also fairly easy to get the B Permit reinstated if I already had one for 2.5 years?


many thanks for comments or contacts regarding any point above!


redsun08Sep 26, 10 08:57
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HI there,


If you are Swiss resident then you pay Swiss taxes on your worldwide income and this must be declared in your annual income return. Since Swiss taxes and AVS rates are lower than most other countries, it is usually beneficial.


You mention an agency as an intermediary and this opens a can of worms with regards to employment law.


I can recommend a very good fiduciare (accountant) who speaks English. Contact Francesco Zagato on 079 647 85 87 for advice on Swiss taxes.


Regards,


Ian Stanton

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HI there,


If you are Swiss resident then you pay Swiss taxes on your worldwide income and this must be declared in your annual income return. Since Swiss taxes and AVS rates are lower than most other countries, it is usually beneficial.


You mention an agency as an intermediary and this opens a can of worms with regards to employment law.


I can recommend a very good fiduciare (accountant) who speaks English. Contact Francesco Zagato on 079 647 85 87 for advice on Swiss taxes.


Regards,


Ian Stanton


Ian S, Sep 26, 10 12:44
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Wow Red, that's a very specific question you're asking. I think you'll need a real tax expert to answer this, not just someone with a passing knowledge of tax.


I have a friend who works with the tax folks, let me ask him for contacts and I'll revert.


Nir

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Wow Red, that's a very specific question you're asking. I think you'll need a real tax expert to answer this, not just someone with a passing knowledge of tax.


I have a friend who works with the tax folks, let me ask him for contacts and I'll revert.


Nir


Nir Ofek, Sep 26, 10 13:56
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Hi,


In order to determine how you might be taxed and which social charge system would apply, you really have to sort out the nature of your relationship with the agency and your status under the supply contract.


As a non eu national the b permit would have been granted in respect of your cv and skills, for a specific job, but without an automatic right to professional mobility. So the agency would have to agree to engage you as an employee, and sponsor the transfer of your work permit.


Having secured the continuation of your right to be resident in Switzerland, you can also be considered trax resident and benefit from protection under the Swiss-S Africa tax treaty.


If you will be transferred to the S Africa client under a project contract.then you can remain in the Swiss social charge system and making payments to the LPP of the agency. You will only pay tax in Switzerland providing you work in SA for less than 183 days in a given tax year, in practice that means until June 2011.


However, if you are to be to hired-out, ie put at the dsposal of the SA client with employment rights transferred to them, then as Ian suggested this opens a very different can of worms and really you should ask your agency what arrangements they have in place and if they are licensed to hire out staff in SA. At the very least they should be working with a decent management company to resolve compliance and tax planning issues.


In either case however your agency should be able to negotiate a very reasonable tax free per diem whilst you are on site.


Good luck


Phillip

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Hi,


In order to determine how you might be taxed and which social charge system would apply, you really have to sort out the nature of your relationship with the agency and your status under the supply contract.


As a non eu national the b permit would have been granted in respect of your cv and skills, for a specific job, but without an automatic right to professional mobility. So the agency would have to agree to engage you as an employee, and sponsor the transfer of your work permit.


Having secured the continuation of your right to be resident in Switzerland, you can also be considered trax resident and benefit from protection under the Swiss-S Africa tax treaty.


If you will be transferred to the S Africa client under a project contract.then you can remain in the Swiss social charge system and making payments to the LPP of the agency. You will only pay tax in Switzerland providing you work in SA for less than 183 days in a given tax year, in practice that means until June 2011.


However, if you are to be to hired-out, ie put at the dsposal of the SA client with employment rights transferred to them, then as Ian suggested this opens a very different can of worms and really you should ask your agency what arrangements they have in place and if they are licensed to hire out staff in SA. At the very least they should be working with a decent management company to resolve compliance and tax planning issues.


In either case however your agency should be able to negotiate a very reasonable tax free per diem whilst you are on site.


Good luck


Phillip


wilycoyote, Sep 26, 10 16:28
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Hi Phillip, many thanks for your advice.


Firstly, I have a UK passport (hence am European national). Second, am working in Gabon not SA (hence no DTA). Not sure if this impacts your advice?


Are you saying that if a fee is paid, I can become swiss non-resident and then, once contract is over, I can regain my Permis B? 


If I remain as employee of the swiss agency, does this mean, provided I work the next six months in Gabon, I don't pay any swiss tax?


It seems that you recommend I remain employee of - or at least bound to - the swiss agency rather than being tied to the African client?


Yes, all good with Per Diems


cheers


Daniel


 

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Hi Phillip, many thanks for your advice.


Firstly, I have a UK passport (hence am European national). Second, am working in Gabon not SA (hence no DTA). Not sure if this impacts your advice?


Are you saying that if a fee is paid, I can become swiss non-resident and then, once contract is over, I can regain my Permis B? 


If I remain as employee of the swiss agency, does this mean, provided I work the next six months in Gabon, I don't pay any swiss tax?


It seems that you recommend I remain employee of - or at least bound to - the swiss agency rather than being tied to the African client?


Yes, all good with Per Diems


cheers


Daniel


 


redsun08, Sep 27, 10 22:07
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F.Y.

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