Re: Internships (NGOs and International Organization) how to survive and pass to the next step: a real job?
Post 12
Tracy, I believe there are two things going on really. One is the realistic picture, which you've built of NGOs as organizations which have to survive and don't have much funding. Agreed - no one really expects that these organizations are the ideal entity where only the goal and the cause matter. They operate, they have budgets, etc. etc.
But I think something much worse goes on in the non-profit/intl organizations world in Geneva - something, which transcends the realistic picture of NGOs as organizations like any other. They are worse - and that has no relation whatsoever to lack of funding - it has to do with quality of management, professionalism and yes, a bit of ethics.
The top management in NGOs in Geneva - as much as I've encountered - are usually old, out of touch people who tend to be agist. I am going to get personal here because it is very frustrating when I encounter that attitude again and again so forgive me for the personal examples and stories. I have four years of paid working experience, experience at UN level of managing a 4-people team, got my own business and a few books behind my back - and yes, people from NGOs or UN agencies still call me or write me emails asking if I want to take up an internship with them, or if I want to just volunteer for a little bit. Still. Isn't that offensive? Why wouldn't that person volunteer and we can switch places if it's so nice? So, it's not experience or accomplishment which is the measure - it's really about: 'hm, let me see how much I can sqeeze out of people'. Especially young people. Intl organizations/ngo staff have also told me: you will never find anything, who will take you - just come work for us as an intern. Haha really? Or another NGO Sec General who said I can never make a career in that field so I just have to go work for them for free. Or yet, a third example - another NGO Sec Gen who said no one would take me because I have no experience (after reviewing my CV) and insisted on half a salary. Haha really grandpa? and this is why you selected me out of a few hundred applications - because I dont have experience? And now that you see I got the qualities you just wanna twist my arms in such unprofessional way? You just have to laugh off those people. There is a certain ammount of respect anyone owes anyone, especially in professional settings. My favorite line is: sure, come here first, sign and then we'll negotiate. Or in a contract 'benefits: upon negotiation'. What is also annoying is how surprised they become when you stand up for yourself and tell them: bye bye, im outta here. Like you have to take anything they dish out. The most annoying thing is that you know very well there there is money in those organizations.
There is certainly an exploitation aspect and partcular dishonesty going on. I've heard stories when an intern is told from the very beggining - start working for me for free for a bit, and then we will see what we can do. It's BS. Especially in UN agencies, you have to know this is a lie and the person telling you that knows it too. Generally, and apart from a few exceptions, interns as a rule cannot be hired 6 months after completing a UN internship. And this is known.
I've heard horrible stories about a woman getting a contract with a human rights NGO and when the first salary time came she was told she would be paid only a few hundreds for this month (rather than the thousands per month in the contract) because her husband works in a bank, so she will be okay. Whaaat? On another occasion, this time with me, at an interview at the ILO a potential employer asked me what my parents do because, he told me, he was trying to figure out if I had support so that he could hire me as an intern and not staff although my qualifications were enough for a staff position. How is what parents or husband do relevant at all??
The UN also tries to pay consultants below the minumum for Geneva - things I've seen and heard are just disgusting.There is no respect for young people. A guy worked for months on a report, as they were 'waiting for the consultant contract' and in the end did not get paid a dime by the UN.
Robi, my advice is that internship experience does not help - it's not the case of the more, the better. I have to disagree with Tracy on that one - employers look at a resume and when they see internship - internship - internship they think to themselves: 'hmmm, how about another internship? Okay, perfect!' On top of that Robi keep in mind that at the UN, internship experience in or out of the UN, DOES NOT count as experience. I know a brilliant guy - Harvard educated international lawyer - who fell into the trap of UN internships and in the end the UN considered he had 0 years experience, while he has 2 years. Just say no to internships even if it takes a few months of doing nothing, because while you are working for other people for free and doing yet your fifth internship you are incurring missed opportunity costs - losing time instead of applying for positions and attending events.You have to stand up for yourself.
I believe there is also another aspect. Very often the interns are better than the actual staff who are actually only recruiting brilliant interns to do their own job. Of course, not everywhere - some managers are great. But really looking at international organizations, the paid staff is more often than not average, not brilliant or very talanted as the interns whom they recruit. And sometimes very lazy without a very strong work ethic and professional qualities. They just happened to know the right people - that's all. One unit in the ILO (different from the interview ILO guy) has 4 Italians out of 8 staff team. Guess what's the nationality of the manager?
Finally, Tracy I disagree that not paying interns has nothing to do with the intention of screwing the little guy. There is certainly an underlying agist structure where the little guy is just not respected. You don't have to pay 'kids', right? And anyone below 30 counts as a kid, it seems. Keep in mind also that many high level non-profit managers come from cultures where exploitation and age hiarchies are the norm. NGOs do have money. Secretary Generals in some cases get 20,000 franks per month.
All in all, they run on promises, and because of you.