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The news has been reporting for years off and on that the city of Geneva has a plan to close 200 streets across the city to traffic to encourage walking.


Latest news: the "Conseil municipal de la Ville de Genève" agreed on Monday night to a plan to close the first 50 streets, although this apparently still depends on another vote of the "Grand Conseil".


http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/geneve/story/24854193


Who can shed light on the details of this story and whether anything will come of it?


 

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The news has been reporting for years off and on that the city of Geneva has a plan to close 200 streets across the city to traffic to encourage walking.


Latest news: the "Conseil municipal de la Ville de Genève" agreed on Monday night to a plan to close the first 50 streets, although this apparently still depends on another vote of the "Grand Conseil".


http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/geneve/story/24854193


Who can shed light on the details of this story and whether anything will come of it?


 


RohanJan 31, 2012 @ 14:23
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In Zurich the businesses complained loudly when streets were first closed to traffic but the result was reportedly a 30-40% rise in business and now they are strong supporters.


So the intuitive guess (closing streets to traffic = less business) is not necessarily true.  Done right pedestrianisation attracts more people to the area, including shoppers who would not have been there before.


 

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In Zurich the businesses complained loudly when streets were first closed to traffic but the result was reportedly a 30-40% rise in business and now they are strong supporters.


So the intuitive guess (closing streets to traffic = less business) is not necessarily true.  Done right pedestrianisation attracts more people to the area, including shoppers who would not have been there before.


 


Rohan, Jan 31, 2012 @ 16:04
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Jan 1, 70 01:00

... and improve the weather Smile

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Rohan, Jan 31, 2012 @ 16:22
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Ha!  The UDC just sent out an email to their mailing list, saying they are "ready to support a referendum" to oppose the first 50 streets!  The clowns are nervous!


 


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50 rues piétonnes : 


la section UDC – Ville de Genève met en garde les 1'000 commerçants concernés




Lundi dernier, le Conseil municipal de la Ville de Genève a accepté la PR-862 du Conseil administratif visant la suppression du trafic motorisé sur un premier lot de 50 rues dans le cadre de la mise en œuvre de l’initiative populaire « 200 rues sont à vous ». Le groupe UDC au Conseil municipal de la Ville de Genève s’est fermement opposé à cette proposition tout au long des débats.




En effet, les élus UDC sont convaincus qu’en l’état, cette PR-862 ne fera que désertifier les rues qu’elle cible, pénalisant ainsi les commerçants et sacrifiant des places de stationnement.




C’est pour cette raison que le groupe UDC de la Ville de Genève - qui se bat et s’est toujours battu pour que soient respectées les garanties constitutionnelles du  libre choix des modes de transports, du nombre suffisant de places de stationnement et de la liberté économique – a entrepris la démarche inédite de s’adresser directement par courrier de ce jour (en pièce jointe) aux 1'000 commerçants exerçant leur activité lucrative dans l’une des 50 rues visées!




Pour les raisons évoquées, le groupe UDC est d’ores et déjà prêt à soutenir un référendum.




Pour tout renseignement :
Eric Bertinat, conseiller municipal UDC et chef de groupe

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Ha!  The UDC just sent out an email to their mailing list, saying they are "ready to support a referendum" to oppose the first 50 streets!  The clowns are nervous!


 


De:  [email protected]


50 rues piétonnes : 


la section UDC – Ville de Genève met en garde les 1'000 commerçants concernés




Lundi dernier, le Conseil municipal de la Ville de Genève a accepté la PR-862 du Conseil administratif visant la suppression du trafic motorisé sur un premier lot de 50 rues dans le cadre de la mise en œuvre de l’initiative populaire « 200 rues sont à vous ». Le groupe UDC au Conseil municipal de la Ville de Genève s’est fermement opposé à cette proposition tout au long des débats.




En effet, les élus UDC sont convaincus qu’en l’état, cette PR-862 ne fera que désertifier les rues qu’elle cible, pénalisant ainsi les commerçants et sacrifiant des places de stationnement.




C’est pour cette raison que le groupe UDC de la Ville de Genève - qui se bat et s’est toujours battu pour que soient respectées les garanties constitutionnelles du  libre choix des modes de transports, du nombre suffisant de places de stationnement et de la liberté économique – a entrepris la démarche inédite de s’adresser directement par courrier de ce jour (en pièce jointe) aux 1'000 commerçants exerçant leur activité lucrative dans l’une des 50 rues visées!




Pour les raisons évoquées, le groupe UDC est d’ores et déjà prêt à soutenir un référendum.




Pour tout renseignement :
Eric Bertinat, conseiller municipal UDC et chef de groupe


Rohan, Feb 1, 2012 @ 23:10
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I never understood geneve's enduring love affair with the car, its lack of urban planning and the seemingly total absence of any traffic rules.

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I never understood geneve's enduring love affair with the car, its lack of urban planning and the seemingly total absence of any traffic rules.


mdiephuis, Feb 2, 2012 @ 00:03
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I never understood geneve's enduring love affair with the car, its lack of urban planning and the seemingly total absence of any traffic rules.


Feb 2, 12 00:03

well don't mind me a bit of laughter.....I am moving in Geneva from Rome, Italy....Laughing

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well don't mind me a bit of laughter.....I am moving in Geneva from Rome, Italy....Laughing


Gennaro S, Feb 11, 2012 @ 23:45
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I second that. As someone that works till 6pm (or later) everyday, it's extremely difficult to avoid a crowd while shopping. And it's super limiting to only be able to get things done on Saturdays

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I second that. As someone that works till 6pm (or later) everyday, it's extremely difficult to avoid a crowd while shopping. And it's super limiting to only be able to get things done on Saturdays


Myke H, Feb 12, 2012 @ 17:35
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It is possible to have pedestrianised streets and inner city traffic but not in Geneva.


After the c-ups in the public transport situation in front of the railway station; the creation of the bus interchange at Bel Air where now fewer buses stop; the creation of cycle lanes in the middle of the road or between parked cars and the pavement so that the passenger now knocks you over when opening the door; cycle lanes which just stop; bus lanes which allow cyclists and bus lanes which do not the pedestrian crossings where it can take five minutes to cross if you obey the lights and a coorinated traffic light system which creates traffic jams


The policy in Geneva seems to be to give the planning job to a consultant who does not use the type of transport being planned


I presume the pedestrianisation is being planned by a tractor driver from Haut Valais 

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It is possible to have pedestrianised streets and inner city traffic but not in Geneva.


After the c-ups in the public transport situation in front of the railway station; the creation of the bus interchange at Bel Air where now fewer buses stop; the creation of cycle lanes in the middle of the road or between parked cars and the pavement so that the passenger now knocks you over when opening the door; cycle lanes which just stop; bus lanes which allow cyclists and bus lanes which do not the pedestrian crossings where it can take five minutes to cross if you obey the lights and a coorinated traffic light system which creates traffic jams


The policy in Geneva seems to be to give the planning job to a consultant who does not use the type of transport being planned


I presume the pedestrianisation is being planned by a tractor driver from Haut Valais 


Paul E, Feb 12, 2012 @ 17:43
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