Will you join me in Boycutting Israel?
Join the BDS mouvement http://www.bds-info.ch/fr/
Please sign the below pettition to call on Coop and Migros to reject Israeli Goods:
http://www.bds-info.ch/appel/
Will you join me in Boycutting Israel?
Join the BDS mouvement http://www.bds-info.ch/fr/
Please sign the below pettition to call on Coop and Migros to reject Israeli Goods:
http://www.bds-info.ch/appel/
Will you join me in Boycutting Israel?
Join the BDS mouvement http://www.bds-info.ch/fr/
Please sign the below pettition to call on Coop and Migros to reject Israeli Goods:
http://www.bds-info.ch/appel/
Mahmoud Al Sarsak
Footballer of the year
On hunger strike for 90 days
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-free-footballer-mahmoud-sarsak-after-epic-3-month-hunger-strike-lawyer
Mahmoud Al Sarsak
Footballer of the year
On hunger strike for 90 days
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-free-footballer-mahmoud-sarsak-after-epic-3-month-hunger-strike-lawyer
Guys, is this the place to do this here? Wether right or wrong - I'd like to stay away from that - but in IMHO this shouldn't be here....
Guys, is this the place to do this here? Wether right or wrong - I'd like to stay away from that - but in IMHO this shouldn't be here....
Glocals was created by Israelis. You boycott Israeli products - we don't see you here anymore. Deal?
Glocals was created by Israelis. You boycott Israeli products - we don't see you here anymore. Deal?
No deal, it is Irelevant that Glocals was founded by Israelis.
I' am raising awareness of what crimes Israel has committed. Being in Switzerland, I beleive it is a free country to do so.
No deal, it is Irelevant that Glocals was founded by Israelis.
I' am raising awareness of what crimes Israel has committed. Being in Switzerland, I beleive it is a free country to do so.
Just a glimpse at how Palestinians are treated in Lebanon:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/lebanon-eyes-palestinian-refugees
I'm waiting for your call to boycott Lebanese products...
Just a glimpse at how Palestinians are treated in Lebanon:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/lebanon-eyes-palestinian-refugees
I'm waiting for your call to boycott Lebanese products...
I agree with Casuistik's logic. Glocals is ran by Israelies. If Salem is calling to boycot Israel, he should start with Glocals. Guess that's goodbye to Salem.
I am often amazed with the Arab's obsession with Israel as opposed to their lack of action when it comes to other Arab countries and their human rights record. So many arab regimes treat their own people in sub-human ways, torture and kill their own, and give their citizens almost zero rights. Look at all the recent Arab revolutions to understand how much regular Arabs were crushed by their regimes. But you don't hear much about that, it's all Israel.
I agree with Casuistik's logic. Glocals is ran by Israelies. If Salem is calling to boycot Israel, he should start with Glocals. Guess that's goodbye to Salem.
I am often amazed with the Arab's obsession with Israel as opposed to their lack of action when it comes to other Arab countries and their human rights record. So many arab regimes treat their own people in sub-human ways, torture and kill their own, and give their citizens almost zero rights. Look at all the recent Arab revolutions to understand how much regular Arabs were crushed by their regimes. But you don't hear much about that, it's all Israel.
I agree with Casuistik's logic. Glocals is ran by Israelies. If Salem is calling to boycot Israel, he should start with Glocals. Guess that's goodbye to Salem.
I am often amazed with the Arab's obsession with Israel as opposed to their lack of action when it comes to other Arab countries and their human rights record. So many arab regimes treat their own people in sub-human ways, torture and kill their own, and give their citizens almost zero rights. Look at all the recent Arab revolutions to understand how much regular Arabs were crushed by their regimes. But you don't hear much about that, it's all Israel.
I dont think " all arabs" think its" all Israel'!!! Thats probably why there were all those revolutions in most of the arab countries against their regimes. However, I do agree, that this website is definately not a place to call for boycotting Israeli products. If anything, its a proof of the opposit! It's a prrof that some people from Israel created a platform where people could communicate with no discrimination! ... Hope you guys try to enjoy the luxury of having such a sunny lovely evening in a city like Geneva! :)
I dont think " all arabs" think its" all Israel'!!! Thats probably why there were all those revolutions in most of the arab countries against their regimes. However, I do agree, that this website is definately not a place to call for boycotting Israeli products. If anything, its a proof of the opposit! It's a prrof that some people from Israel created a platform where people could communicate with no discrimination! ... Hope you guys try to enjoy the luxury of having such a sunny lovely evening in a city like Geneva! :)
I dont think " all arabs" think its" all Israel'!!! Thats probably why there were all those revolutions in most of the arab countries against their regimes. However, I do agree, that this website is definately not a place to call for boycotting Israeli products. If anything, its a proof of the opposit! It's a prrof that some people from Israel created a platform where people could communicate with no discrimination! ... Hope you guys try to enjoy the luxury of having such a sunny lovely evening in a city like Geneva! :)
Ayman... err... amen to that, my friend!
Ayman... err... amen to that, my friend!
You are my idol man :)
The concept of promoting boycotting products from a certain country reminds me of old ladies organising a soiree againt poverty where they end up spending more than the raise! maybe if you go to the source of the problem and you discuss why regimes in the area promote discrimination, labelling, stereotyping, spreading fear, etc , it might be worth it. But just to spread more hate and ignorance... come on! ... seriously! :)
The concept of promoting boycotting products from a certain country reminds me of old ladies organising a soiree againt poverty where they end up spending more than the raise! maybe if you go to the source of the problem and you discuss why regimes in the area promote discrimination, labelling, stereotyping, spreading fear, etc , it might be worth it. But just to spread more hate and ignorance... come on! ... seriously! :)
I agree with Casuistik's logic. Glocals is ran by Israelies. If Salem is calling to boycot Israel, he should start with Glocals. Guess that's goodbye to Salem.
I am often amazed with the Arab's obsession with Israel as opposed to their lack of action when it comes to other Arab countries and their human rights record. So many arab regimes treat their own people in sub-human ways, torture and kill their own, and give their citizens almost zero rights. Look at all the recent Arab revolutions to understand how much regular Arabs were crushed by their regimes. But you don't hear much about that, it's all Israel.
If Glocals is an Israeli platform so be it, I can't change that but can only try and make the rest of the international community in Geneva and beyond aware of the facts and promote a boycott to Israeli goods.
If you think it's an arab obsession, you are very wrong, some of my best friends are Jews and oppose Israel, for Example: David Landy and David cronin (the Guardian) are Irish nationals.
If Glocals is an Israeli platform so be it, I can't change that but can only try and make the rest of the international community in Geneva and beyond aware of the facts and promote a boycott to Israeli goods.
If you think it's an arab obsession, you are very wrong, some of my best friends are Jews and oppose Israel, for Example: David Landy and David cronin (the Guardian) are Irish nationals.
The concept of promoting boycotting products from a certain country reminds me of old ladies organising a soiree againt poverty where they end up spending more than the raise! maybe if you go to the source of the problem and you discuss why regimes in the area promote discrimination, labelling, stereotyping, spreading fear, etc , it might be worth it. But just to spread more hate and ignorance... come on! ... seriously! :)
I' am not spreading hate or ignorance, people should have the choice whether or not they want to Boycott Israel
BDS is a worldwide movement http://www.bdsmovement.net/bdsintro
The global movement for a campaign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel until it complies with international law and Palestinian rights was initiated by Palestinian civil society in 2005, and is coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC), established in 2007. BDS is a strategy that allows people of conscience to play an effective role in the Palestinian struggle for justice.
For decades, Israel has denied Palestinians their fundamental rights of freedom, equality, and self-determination through ethnic cleansing, colonization, racial discrimination, and military occupation. Despite abundant condemnation of Israeli policies by the UN, other international bodies, and preeminent human rights organisations, the world community has failed to hold Israel accountable and enforce compliance with basic principles of law. Israel’s crimes have continued with impunity.
In view of this continued failure, Palestinian civil society called for a global citizens’ response. On July 9 2005, a year after the International Court of Justice’s historic advisory opinion on the illegality of Israel’s Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), a clear majority of Palestinian civil society called upon their counterparts and people of conscience all over the world to launch broad boycotts, implement divestment initiatives, and to demand sanctions against Israel, until Palestinian rights are recognised in full compliance with international law.
The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel. The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:
The BDS call was endorsed by over 170 Palestinian political parties, organizations, trade unions and movements. The signatories represent the refugees, Palestinians in the OPT, and Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Boycotts target products and companies (Israeli and international) that profit from the violation of Palestinian rights, as well as Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions. Anyone can boycott Israeli goods, simply by making sure that they don’t buy produce made in Israel or by Israeli companies. Campaigners and groups call on consumers not to buy Israeli goods and on businesses not to buy or sell them.
Israeli cultural and academic institutions directly contribute to maintaining, defending or whitewashing the oppression of Palestinians, as Israel deliberately tries to boost its image internationally through academic and cultural collaborations. As part of the boycott, academics, artists and consumers are campaigning against such collaboration and ‘rebranding’. A growing number of artists have refused to exhibit or play in Israel.
Divestment means targeting corporations complicit in the violation of Palestinian rights and ensuring that the likes of university investment portfolios and pension funds are not used to finance such companies. These efforts raise awareness about the reality of Israel’s policies and encourage companies to use their economic influence to pressure Israel to end its systematic denial of Palestinian rights.
Sanctions are an essential part of demonstrating disapproval for a country’s actions. Israel’s membership of various diplomatic and economic forums provides both an unmerited veneer of respectability and material support for its crimes. By calling for sanctions against Israel, campaigners educate society about violations of international law and seek to end the complicity of other nations in these violations.
The BDS National Committee
The efforts to coordinate the BDS campaign, that began to grow rapidly as soon as/once the 2005 Call was made public, culminated in the first Palestinian BDS Conference held in Ramallah in November 2007. Out of this conference emerged the BDS National Committee (BNC) as the Palestinian coordinating body for the BDS campaign worldwide. See the BNC page for more details.
I' am not spreading hate or ignorance, people should have the choice whether or not they want to Boycott Israel
BDS is a worldwide movement http://www.bdsmovement.net/bdsintro
The global movement for a campaign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel until it complies with international law and Palestinian rights was initiated by Palestinian civil society in 2005, and is coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC), established in 2007. BDS is a strategy that allows people of conscience to play an effective role in the Palestinian struggle for justice.
For decades, Israel has denied Palestinians their fundamental rights of freedom, equality, and self-determination through ethnic cleansing, colonization, racial discrimination, and military occupation. Despite abundant condemnation of Israeli policies by the UN, other international bodies, and preeminent human rights organisations, the world community has failed to hold Israel accountable and enforce compliance with basic principles of law. Israel’s crimes have continued with impunity.
In view of this continued failure, Palestinian civil society called for a global citizens’ response. On July 9 2005, a year after the International Court of Justice’s historic advisory opinion on the illegality of Israel’s Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), a clear majority of Palestinian civil society called upon their counterparts and people of conscience all over the world to launch broad boycotts, implement divestment initiatives, and to demand sanctions against Israel, until Palestinian rights are recognised in full compliance with international law.
The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel. The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:
The BDS call was endorsed by over 170 Palestinian political parties, organizations, trade unions and movements. The signatories represent the refugees, Palestinians in the OPT, and Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Boycotts target products and companies (Israeli and international) that profit from the violation of Palestinian rights, as well as Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions. Anyone can boycott Israeli goods, simply by making sure that they don’t buy produce made in Israel or by Israeli companies. Campaigners and groups call on consumers not to buy Israeli goods and on businesses not to buy or sell them.
Israeli cultural and academic institutions directly contribute to maintaining, defending or whitewashing the oppression of Palestinians, as Israel deliberately tries to boost its image internationally through academic and cultural collaborations. As part of the boycott, academics, artists and consumers are campaigning against such collaboration and ‘rebranding’. A growing number of artists have refused to exhibit or play in Israel.
Divestment means targeting corporations complicit in the violation of Palestinian rights and ensuring that the likes of university investment portfolios and pension funds are not used to finance such companies. These efforts raise awareness about the reality of Israel’s policies and encourage companies to use their economic influence to pressure Israel to end its systematic denial of Palestinian rights.
Sanctions are an essential part of demonstrating disapproval for a country’s actions. Israel’s membership of various diplomatic and economic forums provides both an unmerited veneer of respectability and material support for its crimes. By calling for sanctions against Israel, campaigners educate society about violations of international law and seek to end the complicity of other nations in these violations.
The BDS National Committee
The efforts to coordinate the BDS campaign, that began to grow rapidly as soon as/once the 2005 Call was made public, culminated in the first Palestinian BDS Conference held in Ramallah in November 2007. Out of this conference emerged the BDS National Committee (BNC) as the Palestinian coordinating body for the BDS campaign worldwide. See the BNC page for more details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbIQto3KPUM
If Glocals is an Israeli platform so be it, I can't change that but can only try and make the rest of the international community in Geneva and beyond aware of the facts and promote a boycott to Israeli goods.
If you think it's an arab obsession, you are very wrong, some of my best friends are Jews and oppose Israel, for Example: David Landy and David cronin (the Guardian) are Irish nationals.
@Salem:
You imply that because some Jews oppose Israel, then all critism against Israel must be true. I just don't get that argument. Let's take the other side of it: more Jews support Israel than oppose Israel. Would that mean Israel's policies are right? No. You see, the argument of "some Jews support / oppose Israel" doesn't mean anything.
Here's my suggestion to you: Syria is killing hundreds of Syrians each month AS WE SPEAK. That's far more serious and pressing than what's going on in Israel. Focus your energy on raising awarness for that.
@Salem:
You imply that because some Jews oppose Israel, then all critism against Israel must be true. I just don't get that argument. Let's take the other side of it: more Jews support Israel than oppose Israel. Would that mean Israel's policies are right? No. You see, the argument of "some Jews support / oppose Israel" doesn't mean anything.
Here's my suggestion to you: Syria is killing hundreds of Syrians each month AS WE SPEAK. That's far more serious and pressing than what's going on in Israel. Focus your energy on raising awarness for that.
And guess who's going to suffer the most if the Israeli economy is weakened by a moronic boycott...
Economic Relations Between Israel and the Palestinian Authority (Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem)
Introduction
It is Israel's clear political and security interest to act for the advancement of the Palestinian economy and the well-being of the Palestinian population. The two economies are strongly interrelated, and this relationship between them during the interim period has been set forth in the "Paris Agreement" (incorporated into the Interim Agreement - "Oslo 2"). In order to prevent the formation of economic borders and to allow the free flow of good, the agreement creates a uniform customs framework for Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA). Although criticism is sometimes voiced against the agreement in international forums (mainly due to political motivations), it is clear that any departure from this principle would primarily damage the Palestinian economy.
Employment in Israel
1.In view of the importance to the Palestinian GNP of income from labor in Israel, and in light of Israel's interest in reducing the numbers of foreign workers, actions are being taken to allow more Palestinians to work within Israel proper. As a consequence of this policy, the number of Palestinian workers in Israel is being determined by market forces alone (within security requirements) and the number of work permits is not subject to quantitative limits.
2.Palestinians wishing to work in Israel must obtain a work permit. Today, about 45,000 Palestinians holding permits work in Israel - 25,000 from the Gaza district and 20,000 from Judea-Samaria.
3.Another 12,000 Palestinians work in industrial parks and Israeli settlements within the West Bank and Gaza - 3,500 in the Erez industrial park and settlements in the Gaza Strip and 8,500 in such areas in Judea-Samaria.
4.In all, Israelis currently employ about 57,000 inhabitants of the territories under permit.
5.Additionally, tens of thousands (20,000-40,000) are known to cross from Judea-Samaria into Israel without permits each day for work.
6.This brings the total number of Palestinians employed by Israelis to 80,000-100,000 - the highest number in several years.
Israeli Initiatives to Increase Palestinian Employment
In view of Israel's intent to replace foreign workers with Palestinians and its interest in improving the economic situation in the PA areas, the Israeli Government has recently announced several new initiatives with respect to employment of Palestinians within Israel:
In order to ease the burden on those workers who commute several hours daily to and from Israel, it has been decided to allow 5,000 laborers to stay in Israel overnight.
A program has been approved to allow 30,000 Palestinian workers to enter Israel, even during security closures of the territories.
In order to recruit more Palestinian workers into the Israeli construction industry, an employment fair was recently held in the Erez industrial park.
Commerce and Merchants
1.Goods are allowed to flow freely between Israel and the PA. Furthermore, there is no restriction on the number of trucks that may cross between the sides; the extent of traffic reflects market requirements alone.
2.In an effort to advance the activities of the Palestinian business community, Israel has designated a group of merchants, notables, and businessmen who may enter Israel under special permits. The program currently includes 7,500 businessmen from Judea-Samaria and 4,500 from the Gaza district - the highest number ever.
3.The extent of bilateral trade between Israel and the Palestinians now stands at $2.0-$2.5 billion annually.
4.The volume of trade measured in traffic (not including Israeli vehicles) is about 800-900 truckloads daily.
Industrial Areas and Investments
1.As part of its efforts to improve the economic situation of the Palestinians, Israel is acting, together with the Palestinian Authority, to build additional industrial parks in Gaza and the West Bank.
2.The concept of joint industrial parks along the dividing line, elaborated several years ago, has several advantages:
a.conomic development (Palestinian and Israeli) b.Reinforcement of Israel-Palestinian economic cooperation c.Convenient access for workers and employers d.Preventing friction between Palestinian workers and Israelis
3.One industrial park is in operation today, at Erez. More than 80 enterprises are located there, providing jobs for 3,000 workers from Gaza. Almost half of the enterprises are owned by Palestinian entrepreneurs.
4.The plan to establish an industrial park at the Karni checkpoint (GIE-Gaza Industrial Estate) is in its advanced stages of implementation. Israel has contributed $7.5 million to the project, which is expected to become operative in the middle of 1998. The Karni industrial park, located in territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority, is to serve as the central industrial area of the Gaza Strip and to provide tens of thousands of jobs.
5.Additionally, staff work is being done by the relevant agencies (Ministry of Industry and Trade, Ministry of Defense, Coordinator of Government Operations in the Territories) to designate a site for the first joint industrial park in Judea-Samaria.
The Transfer of Taxes
1.Under the Paris Agreement, Israel forwards to the Palestinians monthly clearances on five accounts:
a.Import Taxes b.Value Added Tax c.Fuel Excise Tax d.Income Tax e.Health Tax
2.These transfers totaled NIS 1,871 million ($540 million) in 1997, as against NIS 1,416 million ($423 million) in 1996.
3.This sums represent 60-65% of the Palestinian budget - clearly illustrating the importance of the Paris Agreement for the Palestinian Authority.
Conclusion
Israel is making considerable efforts to improve the economic situation within the areas of the Palestinian Authority. These efforts can be seen in the increase of Palestinians working in Israel, free passage (subject to security inspections) for Palestinian exports and imports, cooperation with the PA in establishing joint industrial parks, and the promotion of foreign investment within PA areas. Israel has found, however, that the PA occasionally subordinates economic considerations to political ones. In order for these initiatives to succeed, Israel requires the responsiveness and cooperation of both the Palestinians and the international community at large.
And guess who's going to suffer the most if the Israeli economy is weakened by a moronic boycott...
Economic Relations Between Israel and the Palestinian Authority (Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem)
Introduction
It is Israel's clear political and security interest to act for the advancement of the Palestinian economy and the well-being of the Palestinian population. The two economies are strongly interrelated, and this relationship between them during the interim period has been set forth in the "Paris Agreement" (incorporated into the Interim Agreement - "Oslo 2"). In order to prevent the formation of economic borders and to allow the free flow of good, the agreement creates a uniform customs framework for Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA). Although criticism is sometimes voiced against the agreement in international forums (mainly due to political motivations), it is clear that any departure from this principle would primarily damage the Palestinian economy.
Employment in Israel
1.In view of the importance to the Palestinian GNP of income from labor in Israel, and in light of Israel's interest in reducing the numbers of foreign workers, actions are being taken to allow more Palestinians to work within Israel proper. As a consequence of this policy, the number of Palestinian workers in Israel is being determined by market forces alone (within security requirements) and the number of work permits is not subject to quantitative limits.
2.Palestinians wishing to work in Israel must obtain a work permit. Today, about 45,000 Palestinians holding permits work in Israel - 25,000 from the Gaza district and 20,000 from Judea-Samaria.
3.Another 12,000 Palestinians work in industrial parks and Israeli settlements within the West Bank and Gaza - 3,500 in the Erez industrial park and settlements in the Gaza Strip and 8,500 in such areas in Judea-Samaria.
4.In all, Israelis currently employ about 57,000 inhabitants of the territories under permit.
5.Additionally, tens of thousands (20,000-40,000) are known to cross from Judea-Samaria into Israel without permits each day for work.
6.This brings the total number of Palestinians employed by Israelis to 80,000-100,000 - the highest number in several years.
Israeli Initiatives to Increase Palestinian Employment
In view of Israel's intent to replace foreign workers with Palestinians and its interest in improving the economic situation in the PA areas, the Israeli Government has recently announced several new initiatives with respect to employment of Palestinians within Israel:
In order to ease the burden on those workers who commute several hours daily to and from Israel, it has been decided to allow 5,000 laborers to stay in Israel overnight.
A program has been approved to allow 30,000 Palestinian workers to enter Israel, even during security closures of the territories.
In order to recruit more Palestinian workers into the Israeli construction industry, an employment fair was recently held in the Erez industrial park.
Commerce and Merchants
1.Goods are allowed to flow freely between Israel and the PA. Furthermore, there is no restriction on the number of trucks that may cross between the sides; the extent of traffic reflects market requirements alone.
2.In an effort to advance the activities of the Palestinian business community, Israel has designated a group of merchants, notables, and businessmen who may enter Israel under special permits. The program currently includes 7,500 businessmen from Judea-Samaria and 4,500 from the Gaza district - the highest number ever.
3.The extent of bilateral trade between Israel and the Palestinians now stands at $2.0-$2.5 billion annually.
4.The volume of trade measured in traffic (not including Israeli vehicles) is about 800-900 truckloads daily.
Industrial Areas and Investments
1.As part of its efforts to improve the economic situation of the Palestinians, Israel is acting, together with the Palestinian Authority, to build additional industrial parks in Gaza and the West Bank.
2.The concept of joint industrial parks along the dividing line, elaborated several years ago, has several advantages:
a.conomic development (Palestinian and Israeli) b.Reinforcement of Israel-Palestinian economic cooperation c.Convenient access for workers and employers d.Preventing friction between Palestinian workers and Israelis
3.One industrial park is in operation today, at Erez. More than 80 enterprises are located there, providing jobs for 3,000 workers from Gaza. Almost half of the enterprises are owned by Palestinian entrepreneurs.
4.The plan to establish an industrial park at the Karni checkpoint (GIE-Gaza Industrial Estate) is in its advanced stages of implementation. Israel has contributed $7.5 million to the project, which is expected to become operative in the middle of 1998. The Karni industrial park, located in territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority, is to serve as the central industrial area of the Gaza Strip and to provide tens of thousands of jobs.
5.Additionally, staff work is being done by the relevant agencies (Ministry of Industry and Trade, Ministry of Defense, Coordinator of Government Operations in the Territories) to designate a site for the first joint industrial park in Judea-Samaria.
The Transfer of Taxes
1.Under the Paris Agreement, Israel forwards to the Palestinians monthly clearances on five accounts:
a.Import Taxes b.Value Added Tax c.Fuel Excise Tax d.Income Tax e.Health Tax
2.These transfers totaled NIS 1,871 million ($540 million) in 1997, as against NIS 1,416 million ($423 million) in 1996.
3.This sums represent 60-65% of the Palestinian budget - clearly illustrating the importance of the Paris Agreement for the Palestinian Authority.
Conclusion
Israel is making considerable efforts to improve the economic situation within the areas of the Palestinian Authority. These efforts can be seen in the increase of Palestinians working in Israel, free passage (subject to security inspections) for Palestinian exports and imports, cooperation with the PA in establishing joint industrial parks, and the promotion of foreign investment within PA areas. Israel has found, however, that the PA occasionally subordinates economic considerations to political ones. In order for these initiatives to succeed, Israel requires the responsiveness and cooperation of both the Palestinians and the international community at large.
I' am not spreading hate or ignorance, people should have the choice whether or not they want to Boycott Israel
BDS is a worldwide movement http://www.bdsmovement.net/bdsintro
The global movement for a campaign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel until it complies with international law and Palestinian rights was initiated by Palestinian civil society in 2005, and is coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC), established in 2007. BDS is a strategy that allows people of conscience to play an effective role in the Palestinian struggle for justice.
For decades, Israel has denied Palestinians their fundamental rights of freedom, equality, and self-determination through ethnic cleansing, colonization, racial discrimination, and military occupation. Despite abundant condemnation of Israeli policies by the UN, other international bodies, and preeminent human rights organisations, the world community has failed to hold Israel accountable and enforce compliance with basic principles of law. Israel’s crimes have continued with impunity.
In view of this continued failure, Palestinian civil society called for a global citizens’ response. On July 9 2005, a year after the International Court of Justice’s historic advisory opinion on the illegality of Israel’s Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), a clear majority of Palestinian civil society called upon their counterparts and people of conscience all over the world to launch broad boycotts, implement divestment initiatives, and to demand sanctions against Israel, until Palestinian rights are recognised in full compliance with international law.
The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel. The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:
Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall; Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.The BDS call was endorsed by over 170 Palestinian political parties, organizations, trade unions and movements. The signatories represent the refugees, Palestinians in the OPT, and Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Boycotts target products and companies (Israeli and international) that profit from the violation of Palestinian rights, as well as Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions. Anyone can boycott Israeli goods, simply by making sure that they don’t buy produce made in Israel or by Israeli companies. Campaigners and groups call on consumers not to buy Israeli goods and on businesses not to buy or sell them.
Israeli cultural and academic institutions directly contribute to maintaining, defending or whitewashing the oppression of Palestinians, as Israel deliberately tries to boost its image internationally through academic and cultural collaborations. As part of the boycott, academics, artists and consumers are campaigning against such collaboration and ‘rebranding’. A growing number of artists have refused to exhibit or play in Israel.
Divestment means targeting corporations complicit in the violation of Palestinian rights and ensuring that the likes of university investment portfolios and pension funds are not used to finance such companies. These efforts raise awareness about the reality of Israel’s policies and encourage companies to use their economic influence to pressure Israel to end its systematic denial of Palestinian rights.
Sanctions are an essential part of demonstrating disapproval for a country’s actions. Israel’s membership of various diplomatic and economic forums provides both an unmerited veneer of respectability and material support for its crimes. By calling for sanctions against Israel, campaigners educate society about violations of international law and seek to end the complicity of other nations in these violations.
The BDS National Committee
The efforts to coordinate the BDS campaign, that began to grow rapidly as soon as/once the 2005 Call was made public, culminated in the first Palestinian BDS Conference held in Ramallah in November 2007. Out of this conference emerged the BDS National Committee (BNC) as the Palestinian coordinating body for the BDS campaign worldwide. See the BNC page for more details.
Thank you very much for the detailed enlighting definition of BSD! :)
so, are you actually trying to understand what everyone is telling you or is this a one way conversation where you just copy paste what you were told to copy paste all over the web?!!
what has BSD achieved for Palestenian rights since 2005?!
Do you think you are helping Palestenians and their image by going on a portal created by Israelis to boycott Israeli products?!!!
Do you think demonstrating ignorance and announcing boycotting Israeli people would change their politicians positions?!
You are not doing Palestenians any favors, even worse, you are just making all Arabs look bad by spreading those messages and starting those forums.
Try to better use this site in communicating instead of boycotting, you will see that you might learn much more! :)
Thank you very much for the detailed enlighting definition of BSD! :)
so, are you actually trying to understand what everyone is telling you or is this a one way conversation where you just copy paste what you were told to copy paste all over the web?!!
what has BSD achieved for Palestenian rights since 2005?!
Do you think you are helping Palestenians and their image by going on a portal created by Israelis to boycott Israeli products?!!!
Do you think demonstrating ignorance and announcing boycotting Israeli people would change their politicians positions?!
You are not doing Palestenians any favors, even worse, you are just making all Arabs look bad by spreading those messages and starting those forums.
Try to better use this site in communicating instead of boycotting, you will see that you might learn much more! :)
I' am giving you the detailed defenition of BDS as a worldwide movement to enlighten you as you were referring Boycutt to an '' old ladies organising a soiree.. ''
Since 2005 we have made more and more people and Multinationals aware of what Israeli crimes has been commited and to avoid doing business with the Apartheid. Also we wencourage artists not to perform in Tel Aviv.
You calling this Boycutt ignorant, it is your own view, politicians will have to react once Israeli markets close in Europe.
I quote from Labor MK Benyamin Ben Eliezer last year: “Listen, Bibi,” MK Benjamin Ben-Eliezer growled, “I congratulate you on your hug from Congress, but it will not take us off the path to confrontation. Our situation in Europe is very bad. President Obama said everything we wanted him to say. Now you have to announce that Israel will vote for a Palestinian state in the UN this September … As a former industry and trade minister, I tell you: The markets are closing. We will suffer a devastating economic blow.”
Again this is not an Arab uprising issue it is a universal one, like what happenned in South Africa, it was wrong then, Apartheid is also wrong in Israel.
I' am giving you the detailed defenition of BDS as a worldwide movement to enlighten you as you were referring Boycutt to an '' old ladies organising a soiree.. ''
Since 2005 we have made more and more people and Multinationals aware of what Israeli crimes has been commited and to avoid doing business with the Apartheid. Also we wencourage artists not to perform in Tel Aviv.
You calling this Boycutt ignorant, it is your own view, politicians will have to react once Israeli markets close in Europe.
I quote from Labor MK Benyamin Ben Eliezer last year: “Listen, Bibi,” MK Benjamin Ben-Eliezer growled, “I congratulate you on your hug from Congress, but it will not take us off the path to confrontation. Our situation in Europe is very bad. President Obama said everything we wanted him to say. Now you have to announce that Israel will vote for a Palestinian state in the UN this September … As a former industry and trade minister, I tell you: The markets are closing. We will suffer a devastating economic blow.”
Again this is not an Arab uprising issue it is a universal one, like what happenned in South Africa, it was wrong then, Apartheid is also wrong in Israel.
@Salem:
You imply that because some Jews oppose Israel, then all critism against Israel must be true. I just don't get that argument. Let's take the other side of it: more Jews support Israel than oppose Israel. Would that mean Israel's policies are right? No. You see, the argument of "some Jews support / oppose Israel" doesn't mean anything.
Here's my suggestion to you: Syria is killing hundreds of Syrians each month AS WE SPEAK. That's far more serious and pressing than what's going on in Israel. Focus your energy on raising awarness for that.
I' am defending the argument this being an Arab absession against Israel which is not the case, in the Republicof Ireland we have political parties that are all for the Boycott.
In the Republic of Ireland we are more aware of what a brutal army can do, like the British did to us.
I'll be the judge of what or where I spend my energy, cheers.
I' am defending the argument this being an Arab absession against Israel which is not the case, in the Republicof Ireland we have political parties that are all for the Boycott.
In the Republic of Ireland we are more aware of what a brutal army can do, like the British did to us.
I'll be the judge of what or where I spend my energy, cheers.
OK Salem, so your new argument is now that Israel practices apartheid. Great catch phrase to catch people who don't know the facts. Let's see if it holds in reality.
Apartheid is racial segregation, where the ruling party uses political, legal, and economic discrimination against its citizens. In Israel and Palestine the discpute is over land, not over discrimination.
The palestinians in the west bank, represented by Hammas, openly say they want to erase Israel and establish Palestine on the land that will free up with the Israelis are dead. Israel keeps settling in disputed lands. A complex scenario where both sides are messing up for sure. But the argument of apartheid is totally the wrong analogy, as is the argument that Israel is the clear bad one in that complex situation.
Wake up, open your eyes to reality.
And speaking of reality: if your boycott does work and Israel's economy suffers, the Palestinian economy will suffer much more as it depends on Israel .
OK Salem, so your new argument is now that Israel practices apartheid. Great catch phrase to catch people who don't know the facts. Let's see if it holds in reality.
Apartheid is racial segregation, where the ruling party uses political, legal, and economic discrimination against its citizens. In Israel and Palestine the discpute is over land, not over discrimination.
The palestinians in the west bank, represented by Hammas, openly say they want to erase Israel and establish Palestine on the land that will free up with the Israelis are dead. Israel keeps settling in disputed lands. A complex scenario where both sides are messing up for sure. But the argument of apartheid is totally the wrong analogy, as is the argument that Israel is the clear bad one in that complex situation.
Wake up, open your eyes to reality.
And speaking of reality: if your boycott does work and Israel's economy suffers, the Palestinian economy will suffer much more as it depends on Israel .
BDS mouvement has always been against Israel being Apartheid
Being sold by Migros and Coop there are some examples like SodaStream products, new potatoes and dates of MAJOUL Hadiklaim, this has to be denounced as an apartheid policy that benefits Israeli companies.
Indeed, the latter benefit from Israeli state policy based on the exploitation of Palestinian labor, the occupation of lands confiscated and discriminatory access to water.
Finally, after meeting a delagation from BDS, Migros has expressed an openness on the issue of lack of transparency of the labeling of products from the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), currently sold as "Made in Israel"
BDS mouvement has always been against Israel being Apartheid
Being sold by Migros and Coop there are some examples like SodaStream products, new potatoes and dates of MAJOUL Hadiklaim, this has to be denounced as an apartheid policy that benefits Israeli companies.
Indeed, the latter benefit from Israeli state policy based on the exploitation of Palestinian labor, the occupation of lands confiscated and discriminatory access to water.
Finally, after meeting a delagation from BDS, Migros has expressed an openness on the issue of lack of transparency of the labeling of products from the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), currently sold as "Made in Israel"
I think you playing it a bit fast and loose with the term Apartheid, to insinuate that the Palestinian issues are a result of Israeli racism, rather then the fact that Palestinian resistance movements have deliberately targeted Israeli citizens, is a straw man argument at best. I also think a boycott is a rediculous idea as many of the products Israel exports actually employ Palestinians. Why not instead of making posts like this from the safety of Switzerland you go to Gaza and start a grass roots movement there? I suggest non-violent civil disobedience. We know from history that this works.
I think you playing it a bit fast and loose with the term Apartheid, to insinuate that the Palestinian issues are a result of Israeli racism, rather then the fact that Palestinian resistance movements have deliberately targeted Israeli citizens, is a straw man argument at best. I also think a boycott is a rediculous idea as many of the products Israel exports actually employ Palestinians. Why not instead of making posts like this from the safety of Switzerland you go to Gaza and start a grass roots movement there? I suggest non-violent civil disobedience. We know from history that this works.
@Bob:
Agree with you 100%, well put.
Sadly my take is that Salem is not here to debate facts & views, and is not open to any other point of views. He's here to spread propaganda, that's it.
Have a great weekend.
@Bob:
Agree with you 100%, well put.
Sadly my take is that Salem is not here to debate facts & views, and is not open to any other point of views. He's here to spread propaganda, that's it.
Have a great weekend.
Hey guys,
Really interesting post. I think it's great to have open and frank conversations about this topic so thanks for starting it Salem.
I don't think it's fair to accuse Salem of propaganda. That's an intellectually lazy way of dismissing someone's views as being invalid. Whether or not one agrees with the boycott what one cannot dismiss is the fact that Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to it - no argument there right? We can't all move to Gaza. But boycotting food produced on stolen land is a reasonable and non-violent way to express our feelings of solidarity with the Palestinian people.
Hey guys,
Really interesting post. I think it's great to have open and frank conversations about this topic so thanks for starting it Salem.
I don't think it's fair to accuse Salem of propaganda. That's an intellectually lazy way of dismissing someone's views as being invalid. Whether or not one agrees with the boycott what one cannot dismiss is the fact that Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to it - no argument there right? We can't all move to Gaza. But boycotting food produced on stolen land is a reasonable and non-violent way to express our feelings of solidarity with the Palestinian people.
Here is a recent op-ed article by Peter Beinart, calling for a boycott of products made in West Bank settlements. The opinion piece addresses many of the issues raised throughout this thread, including comparisons to apartheid.
"That Israel systematically oppresses West Bank Palestinians has been acknowledged even by the former Israeli prime ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, who have warned that Israel’s continued rule there could eventually lead to a South African-style apartheid system."
Here is the author's main argument for a boycott of these products:
"Instead, we should call the West Bank “nondemocratic Israel.” The phrase suggests that there are today two Israels: a flawed but genuine democracy within the green line and an ethnically-based nondemocracy beyond it. It counters efforts by Israel’s leaders to use the legitimacy of democratic Israel to legitimize the occupation and by Israel’s adversaries to use the illegitimacy of the occupation to delegitimize democratic Israel.
Having made that rhetorical distinction, American Jews should seek every opportunity to reinforce it. We should lobby to exclude settler-produced goods from America’s free-trade deal with Israel. We should push to end Internal Revenue Service policies that allow Americans to make tax-deductible gifts to settler charities. Every time an American newspaper calls Israel a democracy, we should urge it to include the caveat: only within the green line.
But a settlement boycott is not enough. It must be paired with an equally vigorous embrace of democratic Israel. We should spend money we’re not spending on settler goods on those produced within the green line. We should oppose efforts to divest from all Israeli companies with the same intensity with which we support efforts to divest from companies in the settlements: call it Zionist B.D.S."
By the way, there is a difference between the Israeli state, the current Israeli government, and the Israeli people. One can be against the policies of the Netanyahu government and still support Israelis and have Israeli and Jewish friends.
Here is a recent op-ed article by Peter Beinart, calling for a boycott of products made in West Bank settlements. The opinion piece addresses many of the issues raised throughout this thread, including comparisons to apartheid.
"That Israel systematically oppresses West Bank Palestinians has been acknowledged even by the former Israeli prime ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, who have warned that Israel’s continued rule there could eventually lead to a South African-style apartheid system."
Here is the author's main argument for a boycott of these products:
"Instead, we should call the West Bank “nondemocratic Israel.” The phrase suggests that there are today two Israels: a flawed but genuine democracy within the green line and an ethnically-based nondemocracy beyond it. It counters efforts by Israel’s leaders to use the legitimacy of democratic Israel to legitimize the occupation and by Israel’s adversaries to use the illegitimacy of the occupation to delegitimize democratic Israel.
Having made that rhetorical distinction, American Jews should seek every opportunity to reinforce it. We should lobby to exclude settler-produced goods from America’s free-trade deal with Israel. We should push to end Internal Revenue Service policies that allow Americans to make tax-deductible gifts to settler charities. Every time an American newspaper calls Israel a democracy, we should urge it to include the caveat: only within the green line.
But a settlement boycott is not enough. It must be paired with an equally vigorous embrace of democratic Israel. We should spend money we’re not spending on settler goods on those produced within the green line. We should oppose efforts to divest from all Israeli companies with the same intensity with which we support efforts to divest from companies in the settlements: call it Zionist B.D.S."
By the way, there is a difference between the Israeli state, the current Israeli government, and the Israeli people. One can be against the policies of the Netanyahu government and still support Israelis and have Israeli and Jewish friends.
Here is the link to the Beinart op-ed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/opinion/to-save-israel-boycott-the-settlements.html?pagewanted=all
Here is the link to the Beinart op-ed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/opinion/to-save-israel-boycott-the-settlements.html?pagewanted=all
I think you playing it a bit fast and loose with the term Apartheid, to insinuate that the Palestinian issues are a result of Israeli racism, rather then the fact that Palestinian resistance movements have deliberately targeted Israeli citizens, is a straw man argument at best. I also think a boycott is a rediculous idea as many of the products Israel exports actually employ Palestinians. Why not instead of making posts like this from the safety of Switzerland you go to Gaza and start a grass roots movement there? I suggest non-violent civil disobedience. We know from history that this works.
While you like it or not our capaign to Boycott Appartheid Israel will continue, your point that you employ Palestinians is derivation of the truth, you humiliate the Palestinains people.
We strive for a non-violent response to the IDF crimes over the years...
I was also involved in sending the Irish ship to Gaza simply to send Sports equipment to the people there, and it was seized by the IDF.
While you like it or not our capaign to Boycott Appartheid Israel will continue, your point that you employ Palestinians is derivation of the truth, you humiliate the Palestinains people.
We strive for a non-violent response to the IDF crimes over the years...
I was also involved in sending the Irish ship to Gaza simply to send Sports equipment to the people there, and it was seized by the IDF.
Salem you have our support , many thanks to you and to those who understand what humanity is all about. knowing that I have many swiss friends who does know the truth
Salem you have our support , many thanks to you and to those who understand what humanity is all about. knowing that I have many swiss friends who does know the truth
Salem you don't have our support because you're bringing half truths and refusing to see the rest.
Omar:
The truth you speak of is also that Hamas support suicide bombing of women and children, encourages Palestinian children to become Shahids in the war, and openly says it will only stop killing Israelis when all of Israel is in Hammas hands. Very humane.
I don't have anything against making an argument against Israel. But I don't support a 1 sided view that puts all the blame on Israel, ignoring who Israel is up against - Hamas - and what Hamas do.
Salem you don't have our support because you're bringing half truths and refusing to see the rest.
Omar:
The truth you speak of is also that Hamas support suicide bombing of women and children, encourages Palestinian children to become Shahids in the war, and openly says it will only stop killing Israelis when all of Israel is in Hammas hands. Very humane.
I don't have anything against making an argument against Israel. But I don't support a 1 sided view that puts all the blame on Israel, ignoring who Israel is up against - Hamas - and what Hamas do.
here's what hamas says of Israel, America, and the world.
Enjoy the humanity!
here's what hamas says of Israel, America, and the world.
Enjoy the humanity!
@mark spencer: dear mark, what does this video have to do with a boycott on food produced on stolen land?
choosing not to buy a bag of potatoes is not the moral equivalent of blowing up a bus full of innocent people. Let's all get back to the original topic: to boycott or not to boycott. and please, keep contributing, i genuinely would like to know why you think boycotting is wrong in this situation. You don't need to tell us Hamas is dangerous, that is a given and no one is arguing that point here. the floor is yours my friend...
@mark spencer: dear mark, what does this video have to do with a boycott on food produced on stolen land?
choosing not to buy a bag of potatoes is not the moral equivalent of blowing up a bus full of innocent people. Let's all get back to the original topic: to boycott or not to boycott. and please, keep contributing, i genuinely would like to know why you think boycotting is wrong in this situation. You don't need to tell us Hamas is dangerous, that is a given and no one is arguing that point here. the floor is yours my friend...
@mark spencer: dear mark, what does this video have to do with a boycott on food produced on stolen land?
choosing not to buy a bag of potatoes is not the moral equivalent of blowing up a bus full of innocent people. Let's all get back to the original topic: to boycott or not to boycott. and please, keep contributing, i genuinely would like to know why you think boycotting is wrong in this situation. You don't need to tell us Hamas is dangerous, that is a given and no one is arguing that point here. the floor is yours my friend...
Funny how a boycott on all Israeli products (culture, food, all kind of goods, inside and outside Israel) becomes a boycott on food produced on stolen land.
Funny how a boycott on all Israeli products (culture, food, all kind of goods, inside and outside Israel) becomes a boycott on food produced on stolen land.
@ Casuistik: The problem is the labelling of products is dishonest. Folks producing fruit and veg on stolen land know only too well there are many of us who won't to buy their harvest if we know it comes from farms established on stolen land. So until the labels are sorted out(telling us exactly where the food was produced) I will continue to boycott those food products labelled as coming from Israel.
Now, back to my question: how is posting a video of Hamas relevant to a decision not to buy a bag of potatoes produced on stolen land?
@ Casuistik: The problem is the labelling of products is dishonest. Folks producing fruit and veg on stolen land know only too well there are many of us who won't to buy their harvest if we know it comes from farms established on stolen land. So until the labels are sorted out(telling us exactly where the food was produced) I will continue to boycott those food products labelled as coming from Israel.
Now, back to my question: how is posting a video of Hamas relevant to a decision not to buy a bag of potatoes produced on stolen land?
Sober up, my friend... and hit the right thread: this is NOT the thread dedicated to the pai's support groups wishing to label Israeli products made in the disputed territories.
Sober up, my friend... and hit the right thread: this is NOT the thread dedicated to the pai's support groups wishing to label Israeli products made in the disputed territories.
I believe the purpose of the boycott is to damage the economy of Israel and to show support for the Palestinian cause. Therefore when we see that the Palestinian people support Hamas as they voted them in to power (in Gaza). And we understand that Hamas as a group has vowed to obliterate Israel. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets from population dense areas of Palestine in to population dense areas of Israeli. Resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people on both sides. So yes we must consider the actions of the Palestinian people including Hamas before we decide to sanction Israel for their benefit. So that is why Hamas videos are relevant to a decision to not buy a bag of potatoesfrom Israel.
Secondly I do not agree with the term "stolen land" to refer to Palestine. As you know that region was divided up by the British empire. With the Arab population gettig the vast majority of the land. When Israeli declared its independence foreign powers including Egypt, Jordan and Syria invaded the Palestinian territories and attacked Isreal. Isreal defeated them. The Arab forces were not able to destroy Isreal. But they did maintain a military presence in the Palestinian area. They did not offer to create a Palestinian state. It was not until subsequent wars that Isreal managed to fully liberate palestine from the invading Arab armies. Isreal has offered the Palestinians a state on numerous occasions. The palatinians refused. Isreal stole nothing.
I believe the purpose of the boycott is to damage the economy of Israel and to show support for the Palestinian cause. Therefore when we see that the Palestinian people support Hamas as they voted them in to power (in Gaza). And we understand that Hamas as a group has vowed to obliterate Israel. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets from population dense areas of Palestine in to population dense areas of Israeli. Resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people on both sides. So yes we must consider the actions of the Palestinian people including Hamas before we decide to sanction Israel for their benefit. So that is why Hamas videos are relevant to a decision to not buy a bag of potatoesfrom Israel.
Secondly I do not agree with the term "stolen land" to refer to Palestine. As you know that region was divided up by the British empire. With the Arab population gettig the vast majority of the land. When Israeli declared its independence foreign powers including Egypt, Jordan and Syria invaded the Palestinian territories and attacked Isreal. Isreal defeated them. The Arab forces were not able to destroy Isreal. But they did maintain a military presence in the Palestinian area. They did not offer to create a Palestinian state. It was not until subsequent wars that Isreal managed to fully liberate palestine from the invading Arab armies. Isreal has offered the Palestinians a state on numerous occasions. The palatinians refused. Isreal stole nothing.
Hi Shaun.
What do you mean by 'I am Anti the Zionist State of Israel'.
Does that mean you object to some / all of the policies & behaviors implemented by the current Israeli government, or you are opposed to the idea of an Israeli state?
Thanks,
Oded
Hi Shaun.
What do you mean by 'I am Anti the Zionist State of Israel'.
Does that mean you object to some / all of the policies & behaviors implemented by the current Israeli government, or you are opposed to the idea of an Israeli state?
Thanks,
Oded
Thanks Shaun,
The question was my attempt to understand your statement.
I'm not going to try to argue with you here, but I would suggest to you that this issue is much more complex than you make it out to be.
Both sides have made, and continue to make, a ton of mistakes and I don't think that blanket 'these guys are good and those guys are bad' statements / ideas help bring about a solution. On the contrary - I think that blanket statements just make people, on both sides, circle the wagons and defend things they may not beleive in 100%.
So again, without getting into the arguments, I would suggest that bringing up realistic solutions to the problems would be more helpful than trying to prove who's right and who's wrong.
Thanks
Oded
Thanks Shaun,
The question was my attempt to understand your statement.
I'm not going to try to argue with you here, but I would suggest to you that this issue is much more complex than you make it out to be.
Both sides have made, and continue to make, a ton of mistakes and I don't think that blanket 'these guys are good and those guys are bad' statements / ideas help bring about a solution. On the contrary - I think that blanket statements just make people, on both sides, circle the wagons and defend things they may not beleive in 100%.
So again, without getting into the arguments, I would suggest that bringing up realistic solutions to the problems would be more helpful than trying to prove who's right and who's wrong.
Thanks
Oded
Shaun - you are indeed entitled to your conclusion, and I know you're as sure of your conclusion as people on the other side are of theirs.
My point is that this conclusion does not help bring about a solution.
Israel violates international law. ok. Point taken.
Hammas also violates international law.
So what's a viable solution that both sides can live with?
Let me try to illustrate my point with a simplification:
2 guys are fighting, and after a while, guy # 1 gets guy # 2 in a headlock (these guys have a long history of fighting, and each of them distrusts & fears the other guy). While guy # 2 is in the headlock, he's still thrashing around and yelling that, as soon as guy # 1 releases him, he's going to stab him in the heart.
A crowd gathers around and starts to shout their 'conclusions'.
Most of the conclusions are along the lines of 'guy # 1 is right' or 'guy # 2 is right'.
Guy # 1 says 'I can't let him go, cause if I do, he'll stab me in the heart. He says so himself'.
Guy # 2 says 'I'm not willing to accept any pre-agreed terms. If he lets me go, I'll stab him'.
Despite this, the people gathered around still insist on shouting their 'conclusions' (guys # 1 is right or Guy # 2 is right).
All of the conclusions are relevant and backed up by years of research, but they don't help the guys figure out a way in which they can stop fighting and still stay alive.
A biased over-simplification I know, but I'd still like to hear ways in which both sides can improve the situation wile still protecting their people and being able to live semi-normal lives.
Oded
Shaun - you are indeed entitled to your conclusion, and I know you're as sure of your conclusion as people on the other side are of theirs.
My point is that this conclusion does not help bring about a solution.
Israel violates international law. ok. Point taken.
Hammas also violates international law.
So what's a viable solution that both sides can live with?
Let me try to illustrate my point with a simplification:
2 guys are fighting, and after a while, guy # 1 gets guy # 2 in a headlock (these guys have a long history of fighting, and each of them distrusts & fears the other guy). While guy # 2 is in the headlock, he's still thrashing around and yelling that, as soon as guy # 1 releases him, he's going to stab him in the heart.
A crowd gathers around and starts to shout their 'conclusions'.
Most of the conclusions are along the lines of 'guy # 1 is right' or 'guy # 2 is right'.
Guy # 1 says 'I can't let him go, cause if I do, he'll stab me in the heart. He says so himself'.
Guy # 2 says 'I'm not willing to accept any pre-agreed terms. If he lets me go, I'll stab him'.
Despite this, the people gathered around still insist on shouting their 'conclusions' (guys # 1 is right or Guy # 2 is right).
All of the conclusions are relevant and backed up by years of research, but they don't help the guys figure out a way in which they can stop fighting and still stay alive.
A biased over-simplification I know, but I'd still like to hear ways in which both sides can improve the situation wile still protecting their people and being able to live semi-normal lives.
Oded
David - let's pretend that we already spent a few hours going back and forth about who's fault is is and who's right or wrong.
How do both sides move forward?
What immediate steps would you suggest to end the conflict and create a feasible solution?
Oded
David - let's pretend that we already spent a few hours going back and forth about who's fault is is and who's right or wrong.
How do both sides move forward?
What immediate steps would you suggest to end the conflict and create a feasible solution?
Oded
I thought I knew what you were going to say, but I was wrong. This, for me, is a good example of what happens when people talk solutions instead of talking blame.
I don't think that removing the wall is feasible at this point because of security concerns, but I think that the 2 other steps you suggested are great. Seriously.
Would have been nice if you also suggested that Hammas stops bombing Israel and removes 'we aim to demolish Israel' from their official charter, but maybe that will come later.
Oded
I thought I knew what you were going to say, but I was wrong. This, for me, is a good example of what happens when people talk solutions instead of talking blame.
I don't think that removing the wall is feasible at this point because of security concerns, but I think that the 2 other steps you suggested are great. Seriously.
Would have been nice if you also suggested that Hammas stops bombing Israel and removes 'we aim to demolish Israel' from their official charter, but maybe that will come later.
Oded
Guys, its almost 6pm... Time to get off work... Lets see what that "Holy Land" has to offer...
Guys, its almost 6pm... Time to get off work... Lets see what that "Holy Land" has to offer...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/world/middleeast/jewish-settlers-begin-evacuation-of-ulpana.html
"With Israel’s Supreme Court having ruled that five of Ulpana’s 14 multifamily buildings had to be removed by July 1, the government spent the past several months struggling to find a solution that would appease the settlers without enraging the international community. Last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that he would not only add around 300 homes to Beit El but also 500 elsewhere in the West Bank and that he would try to relocate rather than demolish the Ulpana buildings in a feat of engineering the prospects of which are yet unclear.
So while the court ruling was seen as a victory for Palestinians and the Israeli left that advocates for them, Tuesday was hardly a celebration on either side. Many experts and advocates said the handling of Ulpana — and two other settlements on private land scheduled to be evacuated this summer, Migron and Givat Assaf — simply proved Mr. Netanyahu’s commitment to the settlement enterprise and made any future two-state solution less likely."
Then again, one can't blame everything on the Israelis, of course. The legendary corruption of the Palestinian Authority under Arafat -- as well as his successors -- essentially aided the rise of Hamas whose leaders know enough to feed, clothe and house ordinary Palestinians more effectively than the so-called mainstream Palestinian leaders. This is not to say I support Hamas but that they are providing basic forms of assistance that other are not.
Finally, many of the other Arab nations only pay lip service to aiding the Palestinian. I have cited in other threads the consistent manner in which monetary pledges for programs to aid Palestianian people and refugees from Arab nations are routinely made and then ignored. That says a great deal about lack of commitment of those nations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/world/middleeast/jewish-settlers-begin-evacuation-of-ulpana.html
"With Israel’s Supreme Court having ruled that five of Ulpana’s 14 multifamily buildings had to be removed by July 1, the government spent the past several months struggling to find a solution that would appease the settlers without enraging the international community. Last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that he would not only add around 300 homes to Beit El but also 500 elsewhere in the West Bank and that he would try to relocate rather than demolish the Ulpana buildings in a feat of engineering the prospects of which are yet unclear.
So while the court ruling was seen as a victory for Palestinians and the Israeli left that advocates for them, Tuesday was hardly a celebration on either side. Many experts and advocates said the handling of Ulpana — and two other settlements on private land scheduled to be evacuated this summer, Migron and Givat Assaf — simply proved Mr. Netanyahu’s commitment to the settlement enterprise and made any future two-state solution less likely."
Then again, one can't blame everything on the Israelis, of course. The legendary corruption of the Palestinian Authority under Arafat -- as well as his successors -- essentially aided the rise of Hamas whose leaders know enough to feed, clothe and house ordinary Palestinians more effectively than the so-called mainstream Palestinian leaders. This is not to say I support Hamas but that they are providing basic forms of assistance that other are not.
Finally, many of the other Arab nations only pay lip service to aiding the Palestinian. I have cited in other threads the consistent manner in which monetary pledges for programs to aid Palestianian people and refugees from Arab nations are routinely made and then ignored. That says a great deal about lack of commitment of those nations.
@mark spencer: dear mark, what does this video have to do with a boycott on food produced on stolen land?
choosing not to buy a bag of potatoes is not the moral equivalent of blowing up a bus full of innocent people. Let's all get back to the original topic: to boycott or not to boycott. and please, keep contributing, i genuinely would like to know why you think boycotting is wrong in this situation. You don't need to tell us Hamas is dangerous, that is a given and no one is arguing that point here. the floor is yours my friend...
@Manics: you're probably the only one who still believes this thread is just about boycotting Israeli food products.
The video showing Hammases' humane views (with pearls like "all non muslims must die") is in response to Omar, who implied that those who understand humanity should be anti-Israel. If I follow Omar's criteria of looking at humanity in the Israel vs Hammas issue, Hammas can't possibly score any lower.
@Manics: you're probably the only one who still believes this thread is just about boycotting Israeli food products.
The video showing Hammases' humane views (with pearls like "all non muslims must die") is in response to Omar, who implied that those who understand humanity should be anti-Israel. If I follow Omar's criteria of looking at humanity in the Israel vs Hammas issue, Hammas can't possibly score any lower.
Oh dear. With the mess they left behind, I'm not surprised that even Her Majesty's subjects get confused about the Palestine mandate. How about we hand over the whole shebang to the French and have a good laugh
Oh dear. With the mess they left behind, I'm not surprised that even Her Majesty's subjects get confused about the Palestine mandate. How about we hand over the whole shebang to the French and have a good laugh
The government of Israel is violating the international public law for decades. What can the international community do, so that the State of Israel finally respects the international public law?
For much less than that we've assited to invasions from the International community...
The government of Israel is violating the international public law for decades. What can the international community do, so that the State of Israel finally respects the international public law?
For much less than that we've assited to invasions from the International community...
I am totally convinced that there is no soluation, I hate to say it, but thats the ugly truth. not to forget that Israel keeps on building settlements and they have nuclear wepons and the full support from USA.
I am totally convinced that there is no soluation, I hate to say it, but thats the ugly truth. not to forget that Israel keeps on building settlements and they have nuclear wepons and the full support from USA.
Amir,
What I was saying is that the conflict will not end soon, its been already around 40 years and things are just getting worse day by day.
I am for sure against killing civil innocents people from both sides.
The boycott idea was not initiated by me, but I always support peaceful means to stop violence.
You have no right to say that my degree should be revaluated, and to address me in such aggressive, mean, and disrespectful way. Sorry for not being able to reply to you with the same impolite manners.
Amir,
What I was saying is that the conflict will not end soon, its been already around 40 years and things are just getting worse day by day.
I am for sure against killing civil innocents people from both sides.
The boycott idea was not initiated by me, but I always support peaceful means to stop violence.
You have no right to say that my degree should be revaluated, and to address me in such aggressive, mean, and disrespectful way. Sorry for not being able to reply to you with the same impolite manners.
I guess you can use the (reply with qoute) in order to reply directly to someone post.
since mine was the last, I thought you are addressing my comment.
misunderstanding
Keep well
I guess you can use the (reply with qoute) in order to reply directly to someone post.
since mine was the last, I thought you are addressing my comment.
misunderstanding
Keep well
I deleted some posts that contained profanity, personal insults and threats.
Oded
I deleted some posts that contained profanity, personal insults and threats.
Oded
Hey guys,
Really interesting post. I think it's great to have open and frank conversations about this topic so thanks for starting it Salem.
I don't think it's fair to accuse Salem of propaganda. That's an intellectually lazy way of dismissing someone's views as being invalid. Whether or not one agrees with the boycott what one cannot dismiss is the fact that Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to it - no argument there right? We can't all move to Gaza. But boycotting food produced on stolen land is a reasonable and non-violent way to express our feelings of solidarity with the Palestinian people.
Very much appreciate your post, finally a voice of reason, especially appreciated you pointing out that :
one cannot dismiss is the fact that Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to it - no argument there right?
Very much appreciate your post, finally a voice of reason, especially appreciated you pointing out that :
one cannot dismiss is the fact that Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to it - no argument there right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9YqW_YD-wM
The government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes.
The government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes.
The only difference is I never see any products from any other middle eastern country in the Migro or Coop (maybe turkish figs ?).
If you want to read about the history of the Isreali-Palestinian saga (until the mid 1970ś)I suggest reading the thesis of Jean-Paul Pirlot (two volumes, about 1500 pages, and bound disgracefully by the HEI). You will find it in the library at the HEI here in Geneva. The documented deceit on the part of the Isrealis is appalling.
Dr. Pirlot was blocked from defending his thesis for 14 years due to the pro Isreal lobby. He finally won his right to defend his thesis in front of outside examiners and received his doctorate. The city of Geneva offered him a paltry 100 000 CHF in compensation due to the obstruction by the rector.
Several hunger strikes later, in the end this man committed suicide at La Treille near to the entrance where the politicians entered their chambers (his last politcal act).
I see a large number of intolerant bigots on both sides of the argument. Human rights and international law have been treated like toilet paper particularly by the US, Isrealś most important ally.
My personal point of view is that a state needs to protect the interests of all inhabitants and not favor a particular group based on religion, sex or race. After Auschwitz in 1948 we had the International Declaration of Human Rights. It is a wonderful document. I only wish more people would read it and promote it.
Thanks,
Gerold Rupprecht
The only difference is I never see any products from any other middle eastern country in the Migro or Coop (maybe turkish figs ?).
If you want to read about the history of the Isreali-Palestinian saga (until the mid 1970ś)I suggest reading the thesis of Jean-Paul Pirlot (two volumes, about 1500 pages, and bound disgracefully by the HEI). You will find it in the library at the HEI here in Geneva. The documented deceit on the part of the Isrealis is appalling.
Dr. Pirlot was blocked from defending his thesis for 14 years due to the pro Isreal lobby. He finally won his right to defend his thesis in front of outside examiners and received his doctorate. The city of Geneva offered him a paltry 100 000 CHF in compensation due to the obstruction by the rector.
Several hunger strikes later, in the end this man committed suicide at La Treille near to the entrance where the politicians entered their chambers (his last politcal act).
I see a large number of intolerant bigots on both sides of the argument. Human rights and international law have been treated like toilet paper particularly by the US, Isrealś most important ally.
My personal point of view is that a state needs to protect the interests of all inhabitants and not favor a particular group based on religion, sex or race. After Auschwitz in 1948 we had the International Declaration of Human Rights. It is a wonderful document. I only wish more people would read it and promote it.
Thanks,
Gerold Rupprecht
Thanks for present some partial details, but you pointedly leave out the behavior of Isreal as per the exploitation of the airport near Ramallah or the blocking of fishing rights or the use of port facilities or the exploitation of natural gas off the coast of Gaza never mind the freedom of movement to begin a small list of noteworthy problematic behavior on the part of the Isreali state.
The Palestinians have obviously weighed the above considerations before calling for a boycott. I am quite sure they now which side their bread is buttered.
To try to understand your opponent you have to imagine walking in their moccassins.
Best regards,
Gerold Rupprecht
Thanks for present some partial details, but you pointedly leave out the behavior of Isreal as per the exploitation of the airport near Ramallah or the blocking of fishing rights or the use of port facilities or the exploitation of natural gas off the coast of Gaza never mind the freedom of movement to begin a small list of noteworthy problematic behavior on the part of the Isreali state.
The Palestinians have obviously weighed the above considerations before calling for a boycott. I am quite sure they now which side their bread is buttered.
To try to understand your opponent you have to imagine walking in their moccassins.
Best regards,
Gerold Rupprecht
Hey, nothing is ever black or white ! Before critisicing, yelping about and using words like injustice, human rights, apartheid, and all the hoopla, I prefer seeing and experiencing things for myself ON THE SPOT.
Salem : have you actually LIVED in Israel to know what you're talking about ? And I mean ON BOTH SIDES ?
Hey, nothing is ever black or white ! Before critisicing, yelping about and using words like injustice, human rights, apartheid, and all the hoopla, I prefer seeing and experiencing things for myself ON THE SPOT.
Salem : have you actually LIVED in Israel to know what you're talking about ? And I mean ON BOTH SIDES ?
When will the government of Israel stop the genocide of Palentinian people, with the support of the US war department? Israeli government has been condemned many times by the UN for international public law and human rights violations, but they simple consider themselfs above any international law... Horrible!!!
When will the government of Israel stop the genocide of Palentinian people, with the support of the US war department? Israeli government has been condemned many times by the UN for international public law and human rights violations, but they simple consider themselfs above any international law... Horrible!!!
I am by no way a fan of Israel or Judaism, but Israel does not commit genocide against the Palestinian people. I do see Israel having a racist world view, but it is not the only country in that region with the same problem, not by any means...
Using the term genocide does denigrate the real genocides in our history, like what Germany did against the Jews and Roma, like Turkey did against the Armenians, like US did against its indigenous population and (among others) what happened in Ruanda and Kongo.
I am by no way a fan of Israel or Judaism, but Israel does not commit genocide against the Palestinian people. I do see Israel having a racist world view, but it is not the only country in that region with the same problem, not by any means...
Using the term genocide does denigrate the real genocides in our history, like what Germany did against the Jews and Roma, like Turkey did against the Armenians, like US did against its indigenous population and (among others) what happened in Ruanda and Kongo.
The "reality" is indeed horrible, but it's important to be realistic and face the truth.....
The systematic and GROSS VIOLATIONS of human rights perpetrated by the Israeli occupying Power, in particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
(Reference : United Nations resolution to Palestine : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E)
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories ILLEGAL under international law. The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have ALL affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply. But Israel maintains (?!?) that they are consistent with international law because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War...
(for more details, one can read the mentionned references in this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements)
And finally : an interesting article summarizing the point of view of international lawyers, which concludes: "in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire--one who has already committed genocide in the past" (Reference : Mr. Francis A. Boyle, Professor in International Law, linnk: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=467_1184770243).
But maybe, the whole international community has "no clue of the reality"? Please inform them they are wrong....
The "reality" is indeed horrible, but it's important to be realistic and face the truth.....
The systematic and GROSS VIOLATIONS of human rights perpetrated by the Israeli occupying Power, in particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
(Reference : United Nations resolution to Palestine : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E)
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories ILLEGAL under international law. The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have ALL affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply. But Israel maintains (?!?) that they are consistent with international law because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War...
(for more details, one can read the mentionned references in this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements)
And finally : an interesting article summarizing the point of view of international lawyers, which concludes: "in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire--one who has already committed genocide in the past" (Reference : Mr. Francis A. Boyle, Professor in International Law, linnk: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=467_1184770243).
But maybe, the whole international community has "no clue of the reality"? Please inform them they are wrong....
@Amir Yes, lets put some facts straight:
1. The Six-Day-War was started (as in the first shots were fired) by Israel, not by the Arab states. Yes, please do check the history books.
2. You are saying, that the powerful has the right to take property from other people. By claiming that Israel has the right to keep the Golan heights, WB and Gaza, you still cling to a concept of the past (pre WW2). If you check your history books, you will see, that this in many cases is no basis for a peaceful resolution of conflicts. Plus, if Israel wants to keep WB and Gaza (and indications seem to show, that they don't want to keep Gaza), they ought to give those residents the same rights as its own citizens.
3. You write about genocide, but are as ignorant as Juan. You list genocides in "Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Tunisia, Maly" but neither country has commited genocide in the recent past. You continue to bash Juan again by claiming "the real gencoides (sic) that are happening in most of the Arab countries". Can you show any proof or evidence of such genocides?
4. You also bash Ireland for not being academic enough. Hm, the Israeli universities do not rate that high in any of the ratings I checked. True, The Republic of Ireland hasn't got many great universities (it has after all, much less citizens than Israel), but Israel isn't the shining light you make it to be. Switzerland has about the same population than Israel, but its universities are higher ranked than the Israeli.
http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world
http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2012.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities
So, if you keep bashing other people for the lack of knowledge but continue to make claims without the facts to back them up...
@Amir Yes, lets put some facts straight:
1. The Six-Day-War was started (as in the first shots were fired) by Israel, not by the Arab states. Yes, please do check the history books.
2. You are saying, that the powerful has the right to take property from other people. By claiming that Israel has the right to keep the Golan heights, WB and Gaza, you still cling to a concept of the past (pre WW2). If you check your history books, you will see, that this in many cases is no basis for a peaceful resolution of conflicts. Plus, if Israel wants to keep WB and Gaza (and indications seem to show, that they don't want to keep Gaza), they ought to give those residents the same rights as its own citizens.
3. You write about genocide, but are as ignorant as Juan. You list genocides in "Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Tunisia, Maly" but neither country has commited genocide in the recent past. You continue to bash Juan again by claiming "the real gencoides (sic) that are happening in most of the Arab countries". Can you show any proof or evidence of such genocides?
4. You also bash Ireland for not being academic enough. Hm, the Israeli universities do not rate that high in any of the ratings I checked. True, The Republic of Ireland hasn't got many great universities (it has after all, much less citizens than Israel), but Israel isn't the shining light you make it to be. Switzerland has about the same population than Israel, but its universities are higher ranked than the Israeli.
http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world
http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2012.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities
So, if you keep bashing other people for the lack of knowledge but continue to make claims without the facts to back them up...
Interesting to see that the discussion still goes on.
I have just read an article that Hamaz is slowely "talibanizing" the Gaza strip. Schools need to seperate boys and girls, Girls are not allowed to smoke a waterpipe anymore, are not allowed to ride on the back of a motor bike. Male barbers are not allowed anymore to cut the hair of woman, and so on. Sharia law is beeing implemented.
Is that what you call freedom? I think it's going back to the stone age. Luckily the Palestinian Authority distances itself from this rubbish, but am afraid the same faith is awaiting Syria... The proplem is that these people have been democratically elected, but than abuse democracy to implement their own set of theocratic rules.
There was a very interesting documentary on the subject not so long ago on the BBC. It showed the story from both sides. And both sides have various valid arguments, but also invalid arguements. What appeared is that Israel has a big problem. The normal common people - they want change, they want peace. But it's the hard core religious groups, who don't pay tax, don't go to military service etc.etc. who's growing. Ofcourse these people believe (like Hamas) that they own the truth. As longs as religious fanatics are involved, Israel, and the Palestinians will keep on suffering.
It seems that the various "revolutions" in the area are not really going to help the situation with more hard line theocratic gouvernments in place.
A difficult subject - as said earlier, with only loosers.
Interesting to see that the discussion still goes on.
I have just read an article that Hamaz is slowely "talibanizing" the Gaza strip. Schools need to seperate boys and girls, Girls are not allowed to smoke a waterpipe anymore, are not allowed to ride on the back of a motor bike. Male barbers are not allowed anymore to cut the hair of woman, and so on. Sharia law is beeing implemented.
Is that what you call freedom? I think it's going back to the stone age. Luckily the Palestinian Authority distances itself from this rubbish, but am afraid the same faith is awaiting Syria... The proplem is that these people have been democratically elected, but than abuse democracy to implement their own set of theocratic rules.
There was a very interesting documentary on the subject not so long ago on the BBC. It showed the story from both sides. And both sides have various valid arguments, but also invalid arguements. What appeared is that Israel has a big problem. The normal common people - they want change, they want peace. But it's the hard core religious groups, who don't pay tax, don't go to military service etc.etc. who's growing. Ofcourse these people believe (like Hamas) that they own the truth. As longs as religious fanatics are involved, Israel, and the Palestinians will keep on suffering.
It seems that the various "revolutions" in the area are not really going to help the situation with more hard line theocratic gouvernments in place.
A difficult subject - as said earlier, with only loosers.
Hi Nathalie,
You are right to say that you have to see what's happening on the ground, that's a valid point.
I have no doubt that there are mixed opinions among people living in Israel..
We are not hating the new Israeli generation but we are only emphasising the that the IDF has commited too many crimes. Ever since the blockade started in 2007 Palestenians live evry day in extremly poor conditions and inhuman ways where Gaza is the most densley populated place on Earth 365Km2 for 1.4 million people (UNDP), have been denied continuously foreign aid from improving their livelihoods (Cement, medicine, basic necessities..)
We want evrybody to live in dignity!
Lastly, I want to add that Trinity College in Dublin is one of the oldest universities in Europe and was Founded in 1592, home of ''the Book of kells''
The Republic has contributed 4 Nobel Laureates in Literature,
That's more Nobel Laureates in Literature than Israel and Switzerland combined...
It shows how ignorant you are (Literature'lly)
Hi Nathalie,
You are right to say that you have to see what's happening on the ground, that's a valid point.
I have no doubt that there are mixed opinions among people living in Israel..
We are not hating the new Israeli generation but we are only emphasising the that the IDF has commited too many crimes. Ever since the blockade started in 2007 Palestenians live evry day in extremly poor conditions and inhuman ways where Gaza is the most densley populated place on Earth 365Km2 for 1.4 million people (UNDP), have been denied continuously foreign aid from improving their livelihoods (Cement, medicine, basic necessities..)
We want evrybody to live in dignity!
Lastly, I want to add that Trinity College in Dublin is one of the oldest universities in Europe and was Founded in 1592, home of ''the Book of kells''
The Republic has contributed 4 Nobel Laureates in Literature,
That's more Nobel Laureates in Literature than Israel and Switzerland combined...
It shows how ignorant you are (Literature'lly)
Dear all,
When will the ISRAELI GOVERMENT stop the systematic and GROSS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS rights perpetrated AGAINST PALESTINIA?
In particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? The United Nations has condemned Israel dozens of times (one can check this United Nations resolution : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF /0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E)
Morever, the international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW (gross violation by Israel of the Fourth Geneva convention). In particular:
-the United Nations Security Council,
-the United Nations General Assembly
-the International Committee of the Red Cross,
-the International Court of Justice,
and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention
have ALL affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply... But Israel maintains in a cynical way (not only incredible, but horrible!) that they are consistent with international law because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War... So, no matters what the worlds says, Israel doesn't care about it, is "above international law" (for more details, one can read the mentionned references in this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements)
So, what can be done to force the israeli government to respect the international consensus decision to stop violating the international law and crimes against humanity?
Dear all,
When will the ISRAELI GOVERMENT stop the systematic and GROSS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS rights perpetrated AGAINST PALESTINIA?
In particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? The United Nations has condemned Israel dozens of times (one can check this United Nations resolution : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF /0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E)
Morever, the international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW (gross violation by Israel of the Fourth Geneva convention). In particular:
-the United Nations Security Council,
-the United Nations General Assembly
-the International Committee of the Red Cross,
-the International Court of Justice,
and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention
have ALL affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply... But Israel maintains in a cynical way (not only incredible, but horrible!) that they are consistent with international law because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War... So, no matters what the worlds says, Israel doesn't care about it, is "above international law" (for more details, one can read the mentionned references in this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements)
So, what can be done to force the israeli government to respect the international consensus decision to stop violating the international law and crimes against humanity?
One you can read in the many dozens of the United Nations resolutions, for instance the one at this webpage : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF /0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E
I quote part of this UN resolution : "Gravely concerned at the widespread, systematic and gross violations of human rights perpetrated by me Israeli occupying Power, in particular mass killings and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity,"
If you want, I can mention many other UN resolutions, condemning the Israeli government for gross violation of human rights ?
I wanted to ad that I could give you more details "with pleasure"... but in this case, I would write "with horror" : it's a minimum of respect one can have for the decades of suffering of the Palestinian people, due to the attrocities made by the isrealy government, which has been condemned many times by the international community, but who consider themselves above any international law...
One you can read in the many dozens of the United Nations resolutions, for instance the one at this webpage : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF /0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E
I quote part of this UN resolution : "Gravely concerned at the widespread, systematic and gross violations of human rights perpetrated by me Israeli occupying Power, in particular mass killings and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity,"
If you want, I can mention many other UN resolutions, condemning the Israeli government for gross violation of human rights ?
I wanted to ad that I could give you more details "with pleasure"... but in this case, I would write "with horror" : it's a minimum of respect one can have for the decades of suffering of the Palestinian people, due to the attrocities made by the isrealy government, which has been condemned many times by the international community, but who consider themselves above any international law...
I am concerned about Israel violations of the international law... just to mention another recent violation: UN Security Council Resolution 1701 halted Israel's 2006 assault on Lebanon. Israel has violated Lebanon’s airspace daily since then. This week (May 2013), the United Nations peacekeeping force has again complained to Israel about violations of Lebanon airspace.
But we know that the israeli governemnt doesn't care much about international law, or the dozens of UN resolutions... acting as if they were above international law! Therefore, they continue to commit violations as they please...
I am concerned about Israel violations of the international law... just to mention another recent violation: UN Security Council Resolution 1701 halted Israel's 2006 assault on Lebanon. Israel has violated Lebanon’s airspace daily since then. This week (May 2013), the United Nations peacekeeping force has again complained to Israel about violations of Lebanon airspace.
But we know that the israeli governemnt doesn't care much about international law, or the dozens of UN resolutions... acting as if they were above international law! Therefore, they continue to commit violations as they please...
Juan, Salem, Amir et al..
So far, you guys have been throwing statistics, rankings of universisties, company names and what have we more to each other.
Juan: What are you trying to prove with all these Un resolution numbers? please give me a freaking break.
The only way this problem can solved - and I'm going to be highly controversial here - is if we stop the "poor people industry"
All normal people want peace. All normal people want to get on with their life. Only people with their own agenda's - financial, theocratical, resourses or what ever - will disrupt the lifes of normal common people.
So I will turn it around here - all of you having a job with an NGO, and being in a way involved with the middle east issues, have in my opinion no interest in ending this issue, because it would simply mean the end of your living!
Having said that, it would be the most easy to attack Israel, because they are the guys with the money, and the power, so it is the other way around. the poor Palestinians against the big bad Israelies.
Sorry Juan - et all, but I havent seen any proof whilst extensively traveling trhought the middle east that certain groups want a solution. The only thing I heard was : let's roll the "jews" back into the sea where they came from. Really nothing different!. Thought the sounds I heard from Isreal is that people really want a solution. They want peace. But the moment these iditiots of Hamas fire an other rocket again - it breaks down carefull politics and plays into the hands of the extremist zionists. who are growing (see my earlier post).
Now again - you can easily lean back here and say - these poor Palestinians. But - and I'm not going into history, but have you ever been, or lived in the middle east. I had the luck to live there for a year. And though some places look really nice - all people are oppressed. Bahrein, Kuweit, Iran, the UAE. They are dictators. they might be "ok" dictators, but so was Ghadaffi for his people the first plenty of years of his reighn.
You all skip to easy over the fact that all of these countries are ruled by dictators, under a religion. and you can twist and turn it as much as you want. You can throw as much history, UN resolutions and quotes as you want. But - the middle east is in dire need of a "reformation". Without that - in MY PERSONAL OPINION - the only good place so far down there is Isreal. Even though it's doing so many things wrong. But... All of you, please do move to Saudi Arabia... Or Iran... All the best!
Juan, Salem, Amir et al..
So far, you guys have been throwing statistics, rankings of universisties, company names and what have we more to each other.
Juan: What are you trying to prove with all these Un resolution numbers? please give me a freaking break.
The only way this problem can solved - and I'm going to be highly controversial here - is if we stop the "poor people industry"
All normal people want peace. All normal people want to get on with their life. Only people with their own agenda's - financial, theocratical, resourses or what ever - will disrupt the lifes of normal common people.
So I will turn it around here - all of you having a job with an NGO, and being in a way involved with the middle east issues, have in my opinion no interest in ending this issue, because it would simply mean the end of your living!
Having said that, it would be the most easy to attack Israel, because they are the guys with the money, and the power, so it is the other way around. the poor Palestinians against the big bad Israelies.
Sorry Juan - et all, but I havent seen any proof whilst extensively traveling trhought the middle east that certain groups want a solution. The only thing I heard was : let's roll the "jews" back into the sea where they came from. Really nothing different!. Thought the sounds I heard from Isreal is that people really want a solution. They want peace. But the moment these iditiots of Hamas fire an other rocket again - it breaks down carefull politics and plays into the hands of the extremist zionists. who are growing (see my earlier post).
Now again - you can easily lean back here and say - these poor Palestinians. But - and I'm not going into history, but have you ever been, or lived in the middle east. I had the luck to live there for a year. And though some places look really nice - all people are oppressed. Bahrein, Kuweit, Iran, the UAE. They are dictators. they might be "ok" dictators, but so was Ghadaffi for his people the first plenty of years of his reighn.
You all skip to easy over the fact that all of these countries are ruled by dictators, under a religion. and you can twist and turn it as much as you want. You can throw as much history, UN resolutions and quotes as you want. But - the middle east is in dire need of a "reformation". Without that - in MY PERSONAL OPINION - the only good place so far down there is Isreal. Even though it's doing so many things wrong. But... All of you, please do move to Saudi Arabia... Or Iran... All the best!
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Yes, with pleasure. For solidarity and respect of the palestinian people, who is suffering for decades due to the israeli government gross violations of human rights and war crimes, which continue nowadays... in complete violation of dozens of United Nations resolutions! Simply horrible
Yes, with pleasure. For solidarity and respect of the palestinian people, who is suffering for decades due to the israeli government gross violations of human rights and war crimes, which continue nowadays... in complete violation of dozens of United Nations resolutions! Simply horrible
1. Your claim was that Israel was attacked in the Six Day war, when the actually attacked their neigbours. Your further points about former and later attacks does not validate the lie or misinformation you were giving with regard to the Six Day war.
2. You claim that "each time they have got free movements into Israel, they have abused it". This is an other lie or misinformation. I don't deny, that there have been terror attacks. but you claim that Arabs have attacked Israelis every time.
3. You claim that there are genocides going on in many Arab/Muslim countries. It is not up to you, to change the meaning of words. Genocide has a clear definition, it is the "deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group" according to Merriam Webbster. Please show examples of genocide in the countries you listed.
4. I didn't support a boycot, so that part of your argument is a strawman. The criterias of the rankings are given on the pages I linked. I feel no need ot repeat them here.
1. Your claim was that Israel was attacked in the Six Day war, when the actually attacked their neigbours. Your further points about former and later attacks does not validate the lie or misinformation you were giving with regard to the Six Day war.
2. You claim that "each time they have got free movements into Israel, they have abused it". This is an other lie or misinformation. I don't deny, that there have been terror attacks. but you claim that Arabs have attacked Israelis every time.
3. You claim that there are genocides going on in many Arab/Muslim countries. It is not up to you, to change the meaning of words. Genocide has a clear definition, it is the "deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group" according to Merriam Webbster. Please show examples of genocide in the countries you listed.
4. I didn't support a boycot, so that part of your argument is a strawman. The criterias of the rankings are given on the pages I linked. I feel no need ot repeat them here.
Nobel Prizes are not a good measurement for excellence. Especially the Peace and the Literature Nobel Prizes are political. Why did Obama and Arafat get one and I doubt, that the majority of the Israeli Nobel Peace Prizes are justified.
The other Nobel Prizes are also often political and the way Nobel Prize winners are choosen, does not give me much trust in the selected. Why Jagadish Chandra Bose never got one is a scandal!
Then the list by religion is also bogus. Einstein for one is listed as Jewish, when he clearly was an Atheist and self-declared Agnostic.
Is there any religious Jew that got a scientific Nobel Prize?
Nobel Prizes are not a good measurement for excellence. Especially the Peace and the Literature Nobel Prizes are political. Why did Obama and Arafat get one and I doubt, that the majority of the Israeli Nobel Peace Prizes are justified.
The other Nobel Prizes are also often political and the way Nobel Prize winners are choosen, does not give me much trust in the selected. Why Jagadish Chandra Bose never got one is a scandal!
Then the list by religion is also bogus. Einstein for one is listed as Jewish, when he clearly was an Atheist and self-declared Agnostic.
Is there any religious Jew that got a scientific Nobel Prize?
Syria and Israel are still at war. True, in 1949 they made a cease fire agreement, but this has been broken several times by both sides.
So as they are de jure still at war, why should those airstrikes violate international war? They don't! They just do violate a bilateral agreement.
Syria and Israel are still at war. True, in 1949 they made a cease fire agreement, but this has been broken several times by both sides.
So as they are de jure still at war, why should those airstrikes violate international war? They don't! They just do violate a bilateral agreement.
Israel’s aggression on Syrian sites were likely launched from Lebanon’s airspace, which the Jewish State violates on almost a daily basis, in complete violation of UN resolutions. Those attacks to Syria killed a number of civilians.”
Therefore, how can we remain silent over Israel's bombing of Syria?
Israel must stop using its aggressive policy but respect other countries’ sovereignty and comply with international resolutions... Nevetherless, Israel doesn't care about international law and UN resolution, and keep violation international law
Israel’s aggression on Syrian sites were likely launched from Lebanon’s airspace, which the Jewish State violates on almost a daily basis, in complete violation of UN resolutions. Those attacks to Syria killed a number of civilians.”
Therefore, how can we remain silent over Israel's bombing of Syria?
Israel must stop using its aggressive policy but respect other countries’ sovereignty and comply with international resolutions... Nevetherless, Israel doesn't care about international law and UN resolution, and keep violation international law
Israel is still at war with Lebanon. Therefore, a violation of airspace is not a violation of international law. It is in violation of UNSC Resolution 1701 which both sides have regularly broken.
To this moment, there are no independant sources which confirm any numbers of casulties. All parties, the Israelis, Assad and the FSA have lied in the past and are not credible.
Even if we would accept the highest number of civilian casulties by the Israeli attacks, these would be nothing compared to those killed by Assad and the FSA. Again, I have no problem with critizising Israel. But comparing the numbers and to single out Israel in this conflict is, pardon my French, bullshit. It is as if you would arrest a jaywalker and ignore the serial killers.
Israel is still at war with Lebanon. Therefore, a violation of airspace is not a violation of international law. It is in violation of UNSC Resolution 1701 which both sides have regularly broken.
To this moment, there are no independant sources which confirm any numbers of casulties. All parties, the Israelis, Assad and the FSA have lied in the past and are not credible.
Even if we would accept the highest number of civilian casulties by the Israeli attacks, these would be nothing compared to those killed by Assad and the FSA. Again, I have no problem with critizising Israel. But comparing the numbers and to single out Israel in this conflict is, pardon my French, bullshit. It is as if you would arrest a jaywalker and ignore the serial killers.
Israeli government must stop violating the sovereigny of states (violation of air space), which is a violation of the principles of the international law. Israel must also stop kiliing people as they have been done, in violation of dozens of UN resoutions
Israeli government must stop violating the sovereigny of states (violation of air space), which is a violation of the principles of the international law. Israel must also stop kiliing people as they have been done, in violation of dozens of UN resoutions
Juan, you seem to have little knowledge of sovereignty and international law. In a state of war, violation of borders are typical and not unlawful. A war ends with a peace treaty. Neither the wars between Israel and Lebanon or Syria have been ended by a peace treaty. Therfore those countries are still at war. A cease fire does not equate to a peace treaty and does not end a war, it just temporary end hostilities.
If Lebanon and Syria want peace with Israel, they have to sign a peace treaty like Egypt signed in 1979 and Jordan signed in 1994.
Juan, you seem to have little knowledge of sovereignty and international law. In a state of war, violation of borders are typical and not unlawful. A war ends with a peace treaty. Neither the wars between Israel and Lebanon or Syria have been ended by a peace treaty. Therfore those countries are still at war. A cease fire does not equate to a peace treaty and does not end a war, it just temporary end hostilities.
If Lebanon and Syria want peace with Israel, they have to sign a peace treaty like Egypt signed in 1979 and Jordan signed in 1994.
I am concerned about Israel violations of the international law, which keeps on going, for instance the recent violation of the United Nations UN Security Council Resolution 1701 which halted Israels 2006 assault on Lebanon...But Israel has violated Lebanon’s airspace daily since then. And this month (May 2013), the United Nations peacekeeping force has again complained to Israel about violations of Lebanon airspace.
I am concerned about Israel violations of the international law, which keeps on going, for instance the recent violation of the United Nations UN Security Council Resolution 1701 which halted Israels 2006 assault on Lebanon...But Israel has violated Lebanon’s airspace daily since then. And this month (May 2013), the United Nations peacekeeping force has again complained to Israel about violations of Lebanon airspace.
Juan, please show where Israel violates international law. Don't just repeat such claims without backing it up with facts. The UNSC Resolution 1701 and others UN Resolutions are not international law.
Again, I pointed to the fact, that Israel and Lebanon are in the state of war, which Lebanon as well as other Arab states started in 1948. Only Egypt and Jordan have ended this war with Israel in two seperate peace treaties. These two peace treaties have been upheld by Israel and Jordan and to a lesser degree by Egypt.
On the other hand, there have been numerous attacks over the Syrian and Lebanese borders towards Israel and numerous attacks by Israel into Lebanon and Syria. I haven't seen you complaining about those attacks perpertraded by Lebanese and Syrians.
Ignoring UN resolutions is not just a speciality of Israel, but does also not constitute breaking international law.
Juan, please show where Israel violates international law. Don't just repeat such claims without backing it up with facts. The UNSC Resolution 1701 and others UN Resolutions are not international law.
Again, I pointed to the fact, that Israel and Lebanon are in the state of war, which Lebanon as well as other Arab states started in 1948. Only Egypt and Jordan have ended this war with Israel in two seperate peace treaties. These two peace treaties have been upheld by Israel and Jordan and to a lesser degree by Egypt.
On the other hand, there have been numerous attacks over the Syrian and Lebanese borders towards Israel and numerous attacks by Israel into Lebanon and Syria. I haven't seen you complaining about those attacks perpertraded by Lebanese and Syrians.
Ignoring UN resolutions is not just a speciality of Israel, but does also not constitute breaking international law.
International law applies when there are problem between countries. The United Naitons have taken several resolutions condemning the numerous gross violations of human rights and war crimes from Israel, therefore one can speak about international law.
Israel fully violates international law, and consitutes a real danger in the region. It must be therefore stopped, and force to respect UN resolutions.
For much less than what israel is doing to its neighbours, countries have been invaded.
International law applies when there are problem between countries. The United Naitons have taken several resolutions condemning the numerous gross violations of human rights and war crimes from Israel, therefore one can speak about international law.
Israel fully violates international law, and consitutes a real danger in the region. It must be therefore stopped, and force to respect UN resolutions.
For much less than what israel is doing to its neighbours, countries have been invaded.
The Term "International Law" refers to treaty law made in and between sovereign states.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law
So UN resolutions are not international law, as Isreal (in our example) has not signed a treaty based on UNSCR 1701.
If you keep lecturing others about laws and resolutions, you should at least know, what each term means.
The Term "International Law" refers to treaty law made in and between sovereign states.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law
So UN resolutions are not international law, as Isreal (in our example) has not signed a treaty based on UNSCR 1701.
If you keep lecturing others about laws and resolutions, you should at least know, what each term means.
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, and fully condemn the attrocities perpetrated by the Israeli government for decades
But maybe, the whole international community has no clue of what "international law" is ? Please inform them they are wrong....
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, and fully condemn the attrocities perpetrated by the Israeli government for decades
But maybe, the whole international community has no clue of what "international law" is ? Please inform them they are wrong....
I never said, that the settlements are not a violation of international law. Even though Israel has a different opinion, I see the settlements as a clear violation of internationl law, similiar as the situation of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus and its policy of ethnical cleansing and the invasion of Tibet by Chinese forces.
But, this still does not make the attacks by the Israelis in Syria, even if they violated Lebanese airspace violations of international law.
I never said, that the settlements are not a violation of international law. Even though Israel has a different opinion, I see the settlements as a clear violation of internationl law, similiar as the situation of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus and its policy of ethnical cleansing and the invasion of Tibet by Chinese forces.
But, this still does not make the attacks by the Israelis in Syria, even if they violated Lebanese airspace violations of international law.
Now will you boycot also Turkish and Chinese products?
Israel represents a real threat in the region. And despite the international community condemnations, the Israeli government keep on violating United Nations resolutions, because they simple do not care about what the world and the United Nations thinks : simply horrible!
Furthermore Israel has weapons of mass destruction, and refuses to collaborate to the non-proliferation treaty, despite the international consensus asking israel to allow inspectors to visit its nuclear plants! In the meantime, the israeli government keep on violating humans rights and commiting war crimes in the region...
In the interest of the human being, and of the world, the international community must act now in order to stop this criminal government and its nuclear program, which represents the real threat to the region. For much less than that, countries have been invaded...
Israel represents a real threat in the region. And despite the international community condemnations, the Israeli government keep on violating United Nations resolutions, because they simple do not care about what the world and the United Nations thinks : simply horrible!
Furthermore Israel has weapons of mass destruction, and refuses to collaborate to the non-proliferation treaty, despite the international consensus asking israel to allow inspectors to visit its nuclear plants! In the meantime, the israeli government keep on violating humans rights and commiting war crimes in the region...
In the interest of the human being, and of the world, the international community must act now in order to stop this criminal government and its nuclear program, which represents the real threat to the region. For much less than that, countries have been invaded...
I am no fan of Israel, but it is not rational to claim that Israel is more a danger to its neighbours than the other way round. Israel has been more often attacked by its neighbours than Israel has attacked them.
Yes Israel has WMD, but I don't see them being used as an offensive weapon. The IDF has shown more than once, that it is far superior than its enemies even without using WMD or threatening to use them.
Israel, like any other country, has first and foremost its own interest and the interest of its citizens in mind.
You further claim that Israel commits war crimes. I don't see Israel commiting more war crimes than its neighbours. If I look at the last wars, it is rather the other way round.
I am a human being and I see no reason, neither for the world (do you mean the planet here?) nor the international community to stop Israel. Again, I am no fan of Israel, but combared with the other countries in that region, Israel is a saint. And I see no reasons for worse states to invade a bad state like Israel.
There are enough countries in that region, which have a far worse human rights situation, than Israel has (excluding the WB situation, maybe).
I am no fan of Israel, but it is not rational to claim that Israel is more a danger to its neighbours than the other way round. Israel has been more often attacked by its neighbours than Israel has attacked them.
Yes Israel has WMD, but I don't see them being used as an offensive weapon. The IDF has shown more than once, that it is far superior than its enemies even without using WMD or threatening to use them.
Israel, like any other country, has first and foremost its own interest and the interest of its citizens in mind.
You further claim that Israel commits war crimes. I don't see Israel commiting more war crimes than its neighbours. If I look at the last wars, it is rather the other way round.
I am a human being and I see no reason, neither for the world (do you mean the planet here?) nor the international community to stop Israel. Again, I am no fan of Israel, but combared with the other countries in that region, Israel is a saint. And I see no reasons for worse states to invade a bad state like Israel.
There are enough countries in that region, which have a far worse human rights situation, than Israel has (excluding the WB situation, maybe).
When will the government of Israel stop the attrocities done to Palentinian people, with the support of the US war department? Israeli government has been condemned too many times by the UN for violation of international public law, of human rights, and guilty of war crimes.
When will the israeli government stop those violations?When will they stop those attrocities? It represents a real threat to the region, which has last too long...
When will the government of Israel stop the attrocities done to Palentinian people, with the support of the US war department? Israeli government has been condemned too many times by the UN for violation of international public law, of human rights, and guilty of war crimes.
When will the israeli government stop those violations?When will they stop those attrocities? It represents a real threat to the region, which has last too long...
The US government, like any other government, will stop supporting Israel, when it is in their interest.
So either Palestinians do a better job then the Israelis in getting Pro-Palestine and not Pro-Israel politicians elected in the US or they show, that the Muslim countries can create better societies than the Jewish one.
Having a holy book which vilifies Jews, Atheists and Polytheists and murdering those opposing the Koran and Islam might not be a good policy in a world where Muslims are a minority and Christian-Jews, Atheists and Polytheists are a majority.
Loosing their main sources of income in a post-oil-peak world and murdering tourists, what does the Arab/Muslim world do have to offer to the rest of the world, except a surplus of uneducated bozos?
Back to your question? When will the world care more for Palestinians than for Israel? Based on the past? When hell freezes over.
The US government, like any other government, will stop supporting Israel, when it is in their interest.
So either Palestinians do a better job then the Israelis in getting Pro-Palestine and not Pro-Israel politicians elected in the US or they show, that the Muslim countries can create better societies than the Jewish one.
Having a holy book which vilifies Jews, Atheists and Polytheists and murdering those opposing the Koran and Islam might not be a good policy in a world where Muslims are a minority and Christian-Jews, Atheists and Polytheists are a majority.
Loosing their main sources of income in a post-oil-peak world and murdering tourists, what does the Arab/Muslim world do have to offer to the rest of the world, except a surplus of uneducated bozos?
Back to your question? When will the world care more for Palestinians than for Israel? Based on the past? When hell freezes over.
Dear all,
When will the criminal ISRAELI GOVERMENT stop the systematic and GROSS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS rights perpetrated AGAINST PALESTINIA?
In particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? The United Nations has condemned Israel dozens of times (one can check this United Nations resolution : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF /0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E)
But the Israeli government doesn't give a damn about International law...and act as a criminal and terrorist state. It's time to stop this criminal government, in the name of the humanity
Dear all,
When will the criminal ISRAELI GOVERMENT stop the systematic and GROSS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS rights perpetrated AGAINST PALESTINIA?
In particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? The United Nations has condemned Israel dozens of times (one can check this United Nations resolution : http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF /0/16EC5D0CFAB45921852569AE00502C5E)
But the Israeli government doesn't give a damn about International law...and act as a criminal and terrorist state. It's time to stop this criminal government, in the name of the humanity
The David Pakman Show produced this video which is not exaclty the topic of this tread, but does make some good points which are important when talking about boycutting (sic!) Israel. I always thought, that Jews were not the only ones wanting to cut little boys, but Circumcision might be a topic for an other thread.
Salem wanted to convince us to boycott Israel. The wellknown, even brillant, Physicist Hawking has announced, that he would boycott a conference in Israel. The David Pakman Show makes a very good point, when he aks why Hawking's boycotts Israel, but had no problems going to China and Iran.
Now China, a country which he praised, is ruled by a one-party, psuedo-communist, pseudo-capitalist, which invaded Tibet and oppresses the indigious people. Iran is a country where even its citizens have less rights than the Palestinians on the WB.
I have no problem, when people bash Israel. But when they at the same time stay silent to other, bigger problems like China, Turkey and Iran as well as the atrocities in Arab countries like KSA, Syria and Egypt, I do wonder, what makes them so adamant about Israel. I do dislike the Jewish claims of being special, of being Gods own people, but I also dislike those singling out the Jews, claiming they were responsible for all the wrong as well as those claiming to be "Gods own country" or a "City on a Hill".
The David Pakman Show produced this video which is not exaclty the topic of this tread, but does make some good points which are important when talking about boycutting (sic!) Israel. I always thought, that Jews were not the only ones wanting to cut little boys, but Circumcision might be a topic for an other thread.
Salem wanted to convince us to boycott Israel. The wellknown, even brillant, Physicist Hawking has announced, that he would boycott a conference in Israel. The David Pakman Show makes a very good point, when he aks why Hawking's boycotts Israel, but had no problems going to China and Iran.
Now China, a country which he praised, is ruled by a one-party, psuedo-communist, pseudo-capitalist, which invaded Tibet and oppresses the indigious people. Iran is a country where even its citizens have less rights than the Palestinians on the WB.
I have no problem, when people bash Israel. But when they at the same time stay silent to other, bigger problems like China, Turkey and Iran as well as the atrocities in Arab countries like KSA, Syria and Egypt, I do wonder, what makes them so adamant about Israel. I do dislike the Jewish claims of being special, of being Gods own people, but I also dislike those singling out the Jews, claiming they were responsible for all the wrong as well as those claiming to be "Gods own country" or a "City on a Hill".
The criminal government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT is responsible of war crimes, and CRIMES AGAINS HUMANITY all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end NOW to these horrible crimes! :
The criminal government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT is responsible of war crimes, and CRIMES AGAINS HUMANITY all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end NOW to these horrible crimes! :
And the west is supporting these people.... I'm confused.. very confused.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/16/us-syria-crisis-executions-idUSBRE94F0AM20130516
Just keep on moaning about Israel... there is so much more wrong on this planet...
And the west is supporting these people.... I'm confused.. very confused.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/16/us-syria-crisis-executions-idUSBRE94F0AM20130516
Just keep on moaning about Israel... there is so much more wrong on this planet...
And the west is supporting these people.... I'm confused.. very confused.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/16/us-syria-crisis-executions-idUSBRE94F0AM20130516
Just keep on moaning about Israel... there is so much more wrong on this planet...
Please show any proof, that "the west" is supporting the Al-Nusra-Front.
Please show any proof, that "the west" is supporting the Al-Nusra-Front.
Though you have a good point - it might not be directly - my apologies for mis-representing the facts, but inderectly via the "offical rebels" weapons and resources for sure get these guys. but it's slightly off-topic... we need a seperate thread for the Syrian humanitarian disaster.
Though you have a good point - it might not be directly - my apologies for mis-representing the facts, but inderectly via the "offical rebels" weapons and resources for sure get these guys. but it's slightly off-topic... we need a seperate thread for the Syrian humanitarian disaster.
Though you have a good point - it might not be directly - my apologies for mis-representing the facts, but inderectly via the "offical rebels" weapons and resources for sure get these guys. but it's slightly off-topic... we need a seperate thread for the Syrian humanitarian disaster.
Globalresearch is one of the worst news-site on the internet. Which says a lot...
In the article you linked, GR writes "Confirmed by CNN, the Al Nusra terrorists have also been trained in the use of chemical weapons by special forces on contract to the Pentagon:". As their source, they mention a CNN article which itself does not even mention Al Nusra.
I highly doubt, that any of the major western powers has supplied Al Nusra with equipment.
Globalresearch is one of the worst news-site on the internet. Which says a lot...
In the article you linked, GR writes "Confirmed by CNN, the Al Nusra terrorists have also been trained in the use of chemical weapons by special forces on contract to the Pentagon:". As their source, they mention a CNN article which itself does not even mention Al Nusra.
I highly doubt, that any of the major western powers has supplied Al Nusra with equipment.
What is my view on Israel, do you ask?
Simply the same as the vast majority of the world : the government of Israel is violating the international public law for decades. What can the international community do, so that the State of Israel finally respects the international public law?
For much less than that we've assited to invasions from the International community... If it was not for the US war department veto, Israel would have cessed its war crimes and gross violations of international law...
What is my view on Israel, do you ask?
Simply the same as the vast majority of the world : the government of Israel is violating the international public law for decades. What can the international community do, so that the State of Israel finally respects the international public law?
For much less than that we've assited to invasions from the International community... If it was not for the US war department veto, Israel would have cessed its war crimes and gross violations of international law...
Juan D, the parrot gene is strong in you. Instead on participating in a discussion by reacting to posts other people make, you just keep repeating the same diatribe over and over and over again.
"Israel bad, blah blah blah, USA bad, blah, blah, blah, Intrenational law, blah, blah, blah, war crimes, blah, blah"
I am in opposition of the way Israel treats the Palestinians, you just make us look bad.
Juan D, the parrot gene is strong in you. Instead on participating in a discussion by reacting to posts other people make, you just keep repeating the same diatribe over and over and over again.
"Israel bad, blah blah blah, USA bad, blah, blah, blah, Intrenational law, blah, blah, blah, war crimes, blah, blah"
I am in opposition of the way Israel treats the Palestinians, you just make us look bad.
RESPECTING fully THE SUBJECT of this thread "What are your views of Israel", well, I would like to give you mine :
It's a fact that hopefully the vast majority of the world population, as well as the UNITED NATIONS consensus, fully recognize and CONDEMNS the horrible gross HUMAN RIGHT VIOLATIONS and WAR CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNT IN PALESTINE, who has an terrific and illegal policy of Apartheid and occupation.
Therefore, I would propose to join me the in the boycott, desinvestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel, until the end of the Apartheid and the illegal occupation of Palestine. More information can be found in the following link :
http://www.bds-info.ch/fr
RESPECTING fully THE SUBJECT of this thread "What are your views of Israel", well, I would like to give you mine :
It's a fact that hopefully the vast majority of the world population, as well as the UNITED NATIONS consensus, fully recognize and CONDEMNS the horrible gross HUMAN RIGHT VIOLATIONS and WAR CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNT IN PALESTINE, who has an terrific and illegal policy of Apartheid and occupation.
Therefore, I would propose to join me the in the boycott, desinvestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel, until the end of the Apartheid and the illegal occupation of Palestine. More information can be found in the following link :
http://www.bds-info.ch/fr
I do say Israel is behaving like America right now, both the countries are against islamic countries and more than that views can be handle but killing innocent people is not to be tolerated.
I do say Israel is behaving like America right now, both the countries are against islamic countries and more than that views can be handle but killing innocent people is not to be tolerated.
I do say Israel is behaving like America right now, both the countries are against islamic countries and more than that views can be handle but killing innocent people is not to be tolerated.
There are hundreds of new mosques in the USA in the recent history. Where are the new churches in Arab/Muslim countries? When USA is against Islam, why are they allowing so many Muslims to enter their country and live there?
Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but noone has the right to their own facts.
When we look at the facts, there is not an US led war against Islam/Arabs/Muslims, but it is the other way round.
There are hundreds of new mosques in the USA in the recent history. Where are the new churches in Arab/Muslim countries? When USA is against Islam, why are they allowing so many Muslims to enter their country and live there?
Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but noone has the right to their own facts.
When we look at the facts, there is not an US led war against Islam/Arabs/Muslims, but it is the other way round.
The fact is that the US war department and the Israeli government are violating international law, invading islamic countries, killing people without previous trials, despite International condemnations, and... just for their oil: horrible... The US and the israeli government both act as terrorist states : they consider themselves above international law, violating the sovereignty of States.
The fact is that the US war department and the Israeli government are violating international law, invading islamic countries, killing people without previous trials, despite International condemnations, and... just for their oil: horrible... The US and the israeli government both act as terrorist states : they consider themselves above international law, violating the sovereignty of States.
There is a lack of coverage by the medias of the israeli goverment gross violations of human rights and war crimes..
The United Nations condems Israel for the gross violation of international law, but the majority of the medias don't speak much about that...
Dont' you think it strange??
There is a lack of coverage by the medias of the israeli goverment gross violations of human rights and war crimes..
The United Nations condems Israel for the gross violation of international law, but the majority of the medias don't speak much about that...
Dont' you think it strange??
Yes the Jews are controlling not only the banks, but also the news....
Sadly, I don't think you'll get, that that was meant as irony, so for the retarded ones, I'll have to spell it out.
So to your points, even though I know I will waste my time...
The "US war department" (sic) has been dispanded in 1948ish. The US DoD (Department of Defense) is not invading Islamic countries. You might be to stupid to know the meaning of the term invading. You also might be to stupid to know the difference of singular and plural.
After the withdrawal of US troops for Iraq in 2011, the US only have troops in Afghanistan. Those will be withdrawn next year.
You could have a point about the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights, which are part of Syrian territory, but besides that, I don't know what you are talking about.
You also mention oil. There is no evidence, that A'stan (short for Afghanistan) has any oil nor that the war against Iraq had anything to do with oil. Again, you may have your own opinion, but the facts don't support it. Neither has the US control today of the oil in Iraq, nor has the US profited (financially) in any way from that war nor has oil been any point of interest in A'stan.
Besides some leftwingers and their new friends, radical Muslims, I hardly hear any "international condemnations" concerning drone strikes. The PotUS has made some great points in his speech yesterday, concerning risks and alternatives to drone strikes. One of his arguments was, that in such cases, when a SWAT team takes down a dangerous criminal or terrorist, there is also no "previous trial". An other alternative would be an invasion, where you would be one of the frist to bitch about, I guess.... Plus invasions would cause more harm to civilians than a drone strike or two.
A short point about sovereignty. Take Pakistan as an example. The lawful government of Pakistan does not hold sovereignty (meaning the supreme power) over all its territory, at least not de facto. As long as a state is not capable of controlling its territory, like Pakistan, I don't think they have a right to claim sovereignty over those parts they don't control. Harbouring Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad under the eyes of the ISI and the PA does not help claims of their government to sovereignty.
The rest of your phlegm just continues to show your ignorance.
Yes the Jews are controlling not only the banks, but also the news....
Sadly, I don't think you'll get, that that was meant as irony, so for the retarded ones, I'll have to spell it out.
So to your points, even though I know I will waste my time...
The "US war department" (sic) has been dispanded in 1948ish. The US DoD (Department of Defense) is not invading Islamic countries. You might be to stupid to know the meaning of the term invading. You also might be to stupid to know the difference of singular and plural.
After the withdrawal of US troops for Iraq in 2011, the US only have troops in Afghanistan. Those will be withdrawn next year.
You could have a point about the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights, which are part of Syrian territory, but besides that, I don't know what you are talking about.
You also mention oil. There is no evidence, that A'stan (short for Afghanistan) has any oil nor that the war against Iraq had anything to do with oil. Again, you may have your own opinion, but the facts don't support it. Neither has the US control today of the oil in Iraq, nor has the US profited (financially) in any way from that war nor has oil been any point of interest in A'stan.
Besides some leftwingers and their new friends, radical Muslims, I hardly hear any "international condemnations" concerning drone strikes. The PotUS has made some great points in his speech yesterday, concerning risks and alternatives to drone strikes. One of his arguments was, that in such cases, when a SWAT team takes down a dangerous criminal or terrorist, there is also no "previous trial". An other alternative would be an invasion, where you would be one of the frist to bitch about, I guess.... Plus invasions would cause more harm to civilians than a drone strike or two.
A short point about sovereignty. Take Pakistan as an example. The lawful government of Pakistan does not hold sovereignty (meaning the supreme power) over all its territory, at least not de facto. As long as a state is not capable of controlling its territory, like Pakistan, I don't think they have a right to claim sovereignty over those parts they don't control. Harbouring Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad under the eyes of the ISI and the PA does not help claims of their government to sovereignty.
The rest of your phlegm just continues to show your ignorance.
In regard of the international condemantion by the United Nations, the israeli government must stop violating the sovereigny of states (violation of air space), which is a violation of the principles of the international law. And Israel must also stop kiliing people as they have been done, in violation of dozens of United Nations resoutions
In regard of the international condemantion by the United Nations, the israeli government must stop violating the sovereigny of states (violation of air space), which is a violation of the principles of the international law. And Israel must also stop kiliing people as they have been done, in violation of dozens of United Nations resoutions
As I already told you (and you never denied) Israel is still at war with Syria and Lebanon. A war Israel did not start. So why should they have to respect the sovereignity of Syria and Lebanon, when both countries attacked Israel in an attempt to destroy the Jewish state?
As you know, Isrelis are mainly Jews, so why should they follow the Christian doctrine of turning the other cheek?
Please also site those other UN resolutions as well as the cases you believe they apply to which, according to you, is in violations of dozens of UN resolutions.
As I already told you (and you never denied) Israel is still at war with Syria and Lebanon. A war Israel did not start. So why should they have to respect the sovereignity of Syria and Lebanon, when both countries attacked Israel in an attempt to destroy the Jewish state?
As you know, Isrelis are mainly Jews, so why should they follow the Christian doctrine of turning the other cheek?
Please also site those other UN resolutions as well as the cases you believe they apply to which, according to you, is in violations of dozens of UN resolutions.
The criminal government of Israel icontinues to violate international law in the region, and is condemned by the UN for those violations.
The israeli government is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation...
It's fully recognized by the world that the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT is responsible of war crimes, and CRIMES AGAINS HUMANITY all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end NOW to these horrible crimes
The criminal government of Israel icontinues to violate international law in the region, and is condemned by the UN for those violations.
The israeli government is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation...
It's fully recognized by the world that the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT is responsible of war crimes, and CRIMES AGAINS HUMANITY all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end NOW to these horrible crimes
Where are those starving Palestinians? An other bogus claim by Juan D.
Dear all,
In particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?
The United Nations has condemned Israel dozens of times, But the Israeli government doesn't care about International law...and act as a criminal and terrorist state.
It's time now to stop the criminal Israeli government, in the name of the humanity
Dear all,
In particular MASS KILLING and collective punishments, such as demolition of houses and closure of the Palestinian territories, measures which constitute WAR CRIMES, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?
The United Nations has condemned Israel dozens of times, But the Israeli government doesn't care about International law...and act as a criminal and terrorist state.
It's time now to stop the criminal Israeli government, in the name of the humanity
http://blogs.jpost.com/content/israel-boycotters-are-world-their-own
just read..
Will you join me in Boycutting Israel?
Join the BDS mouvement http://www.bds-info.ch/fr/
Please sign the below pettition to call on Coop and Migros to reject Israeli Goods:
http://www.bds-info.ch/appel/
Yes, I will.
For one single reason : the minimum of respect the people of Palestine desserve, suffering for decaded from the israeli government gross violations of human rights
Yes, I will.
For one single reason : the minimum of respect the people of Palestine desserve, suffering for decaded from the israeli government gross violations of human rights
hot potato as a topic
agree on the Palestine argument, but then again none of the other arabs are doing much to support their so called 'brother' suffering in Palestina.
i watched a film that was informative about this called 'o jerusalem'
also try the bbc documentary below
hot potato as a topic
agree on the Palestine argument, but then again none of the other arabs are doing much to support their so called 'brother' suffering in Palestina.
i watched a film that was informative about this called 'o jerusalem'
also try the bbc documentary below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFVozmiNxXY
about what can be done : If it was not for the US veto, complices of the israeli government crimes, Israel would have been forced long time ago to stop its gross violations of international human law and other mass killings in Palestine.
about what can be done : If it was not for the US veto, complices of the israeli government crimes, Israel would have been forced long time ago to stop its gross violations of international human law and other mass killings in Palestine.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4391533,00.html
Let's not go off topic here.
It is not USA, Syria or Pakistan that we are talking about.
We are talking about Israel here, Jerusalem is a sacred place for Christians, Jews and muslims.
If you ask Christians arabs all over the world they would tell you they cannot go and pray in Bethlehem in peace, do you think this is right?
Mass grave dicovered of dozens of palestinians in Jaffa earlier this month ? that is no fiction !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334205/Mass-grave-uncovered-containing-dozens-Palestinians-killed-1948-war-founded-Israel.html
Let's not go off topic here.
It is not USA, Syria or Pakistan that we are talking about.
We are talking about Israel here, Jerusalem is a sacred place for Christians, Jews and muslims.
If you ask Christians arabs all over the world they would tell you they cannot go and pray in Bethlehem in peace, do you think this is right?
Mass grave dicovered of dozens of palestinians in Jaffa earlier this month ? that is no fiction !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334205/Mass-grave-uncovered-containing-dozens-Palestinians-killed-1948-war-founded-Israel.html
What about this... Child soldiers?!?!? This is a gross violation of the universal rights of children.
http://gigapica.geenstijl.nl/2013/06/hamas_summer_camp.html
What about this... Child soldiers?!?!? This is a gross violation of the universal rights of children.
http://gigapica.geenstijl.nl/2013/06/hamas_summer_camp.html
What about this... Child soldiers?!?!? This is a gross violation of the universal rights of children.
http://gigapica.geenstijl.nl/2013/06/hamas_summer_camp.html
Not a fan of Hamas nor Israel, I can't see any child soldiers in that pictures. At least not according to any legal definition.
I too shot guns before I was 16 and had martial art training. That does not make me a child soldier.
I do condem the religious indoctrination and the lack of trigger dicipline.
Not a fan of Hamas nor Israel, I can't see any child soldiers in that pictures. At least not according to any legal definition.
I too shot guns before I was 16 and had martial art training. That does not make me a child soldier.
I do condem the religious indoctrination and the lack of trigger dicipline.
Not a fan of Hamas nor Israel, I can't see any child soldiers in that pictures. At least not according to any legal definition.
I too shot guns before I was 16 and had martial art training. That does not make me a child soldier.
I do condem the religious indoctrination and the lack of trigger dicipline.
I normally agree with you fully, however :
- Did you intend to kill somebody with your gun training (having kids shooting guns is a different discussion all together - other place :-) )
- Look at the last picture. That boy is not older than 18. Not sure (please correct me if I'm wrong) but that's not a martial arts training. These kids (that's what most of them are) - are being trained to kill people. Not sure what you did at that age, but this wasn't part of my holiday regime.... It has more to do with friends, beaches, girls and a lot of fun!
- I've said it before in my opinion everybody is wrong in that conflict, and everybody thinks they have right on their side. I'm just sometimes amazed that the Palestinians are always pictured as the "poor" victoms. Which they might be in some cases, but Hamas.....
I normally agree with you fully, however :
- Did you intend to kill somebody with your gun training (having kids shooting guns is a different discussion all together - other place :-) )
- Look at the last picture. That boy is not older than 18. Not sure (please correct me if I'm wrong) but that's not a martial arts training. These kids (that's what most of them are) - are being trained to kill people. Not sure what you did at that age, but this wasn't part of my holiday regime.... It has more to do with friends, beaches, girls and a lot of fun!
- I've said it before in my opinion everybody is wrong in that conflict, and everybody thinks they have right on their side. I'm just sometimes amazed that the Palestinians are always pictured as the "poor" victoms. Which they might be in some cases, but Hamas.....
@Martin I am a bit guilty of nitpicking.
- I shot round and silhouette targets. So not sure if there is a truthful and political correct answer to your question.
- My martial arts remark was to the second picture. I would have loved to do, what they showed on most of the pictures, but I was a stupid kid back then.
- I don't think that either Palestinians nor Israelis are solely victims nor culprits. I see neither party as interested in peace (which would mean sharing the land with equal rights). Israelis more or less got what they want, control over Erez Israel and they are willing to pay the price, even if this means loosing some own lives in attacks or wars. Palestinians feel rightfully forgotten by most of the world, as they don't mangage to create enough sympathy and have enough crazies like Hamas to shoot their own cause in the foot.
As an Atheist, I have no sympathy for Jewish claims that god promissed the land to them but of course Palestinians, esp. Hamas, don't have a very good track record for religious freedom. As much as I dislike Israel, I know, that I could live freely in Israel as an Atheist, but not in border controlled by Hamas and other fundies.
But still, I wouldn't call those kids child soldiers. Thats just the lawyer in me ;)
@Martin I am a bit guilty of nitpicking.
- I shot round and silhouette targets. So not sure if there is a truthful and political correct answer to your question.
- My martial arts remark was to the second picture. I would have loved to do, what they showed on most of the pictures, but I was a stupid kid back then.
- I don't think that either Palestinians nor Israelis are solely victims nor culprits. I see neither party as interested in peace (which would mean sharing the land with equal rights). Israelis more or less got what they want, control over Erez Israel and they are willing to pay the price, even if this means loosing some own lives in attacks or wars. Palestinians feel rightfully forgotten by most of the world, as they don't mangage to create enough sympathy and have enough crazies like Hamas to shoot their own cause in the foot.
As an Atheist, I have no sympathy for Jewish claims that god promissed the land to them but of course Palestinians, esp. Hamas, don't have a very good track record for religious freedom. As much as I dislike Israel, I know, that I could live freely in Israel as an Atheist, but not in border controlled by Hamas and other fundies.
But still, I wouldn't call those kids child soldiers. Thats just the lawyer in me ;)
Let's not go off topic here.
It is not USA, Syria or Pakistan that we are talking about.
We are talking about Israel here, Jerusalem is a sacred place for Christians, Jews and muslims.
If you ask Christians arabs all over the world they would tell you they cannot go and pray in Bethlehem in peace, do you think this is right?
Mass grave dicovered of dozens of palestinians in Jaffa earlier this month ? that is no fiction !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334205/Mass-grave-uncovered-containing-dozens-Palestinians-killed-1948-war-founded-Israel.html
As the vast majority of the world population, I am shocked by the Israeli government war crimes, and the mass graves discovered of dozens of Palestinians earlier this month.
When will the UN decide to take some action against the criminal israeli goverment, responsible of war crimes, mass killing, and gross violations of international law? The Palestinian population has been suffering for decades of the criminal israeli regime, and the world condems it.
What can be done to stop the israeli criminal regime?
As the vast majority of the world population, I am shocked by the Israeli government war crimes, and the mass graves discovered of dozens of Palestinians earlier this month.
When will the UN decide to take some action against the criminal israeli goverment, responsible of war crimes, mass killing, and gross violations of international law? The Palestinian population has been suffering for decades of the criminal israeli regime, and the world condems it.
What can be done to stop the israeli criminal regime?
Haha Alan! I knew it! ;-) that you are a lawyer:-). But it's not good - because we agree. Perhaps it's time to bring up something controversial again. Love your debating style! But than again - it's part of your profession I guess. Thanks so much, it makes an educated and Interesting read! Martin
Haha Alan! I knew it! ;-) that you are a lawyer:-). But it's not good - because we agree. Perhaps it's time to bring up something controversial again. Love your debating style! But than again - it's part of your profession I guess. Thanks so much, it makes an educated and Interesting read! Martin
The people of the world, though the United Nations, expresses grave concerns about the criminal goverment of Israel, again this year in 2013, as many other dozens UN resolutions. But we all know the criminal Israeli regime doesn't give a damn about International law and continue its infamous crimes.
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
(quote of this UN resolution expression the view of the world):
The United Nations Resolution (A/RES/67/121) of 14 January 2013 adopted by the General Assembly deeply condemns the Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied PalestinianTerritory, including East Jerusalem :
-"the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power,
-including that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians";
... (the list of these crimes is so long, I prefer to mention only a few of these violations...)
What can be done to stop the criminal israeli regime commiting these crimes against the people of Palestine, in complete violation of international law, and despite dozens of United Nations resolutions?
In fact, for much less violations than that, countries have been invaded..
The people of the world, though the United Nations, expresses grave concerns about the criminal goverment of Israel, again this year in 2013, as many other dozens UN resolutions. But we all know the criminal Israeli regime doesn't give a damn about International law and continue its infamous crimes.
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
(quote of this UN resolution expression the view of the world):
The United Nations Resolution (A/RES/67/121) of 14 January 2013 adopted by the General Assembly deeply condemns the Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied PalestinianTerritory, including East Jerusalem :
-"the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power,
-including that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians";
... (the list of these crimes is so long, I prefer to mention only a few of these violations...)
What can be done to stop the criminal israeli regime commiting these crimes against the people of Palestine, in complete violation of international law, and despite dozens of United Nations resolutions?
In fact, for much less violations than that, countries have been invaded..
Israel has violated every law UNO, but i did not see any reaction from this so-called organization. I think this organiztion is not exist in real. This organization works to give safe path to israel and some other countries.
Israel has violated every law UNO, but i did not see any reaction from this so-called organization. I think this organiztion is not exist in real. This organization works to give safe path to israel and some other countries.
Very interesting thread I must say. I am not going to add on another view as mine has been represented clearly already by another party.
All I will say is, take a look at another big ole British Empire mess in my fair country. With a parent in the British Military as an Irish Catholic stationed in Northern Ireland, I can tell you we seen both sides of the fence and watched it petrol bombed. But here we are now 2013, and an area once famed for finding bodies is now hosting the G8 summit. NI is a testement to what can happen when people want it to happen.
Israel and Palestine is a beautiful part of the world with beautiful people and unique history, some day, I hope maturity can be found to co exist without pain.
Very interesting thread I must say. I am not going to add on another view as mine has been represented clearly already by another party.
All I will say is, take a look at another big ole British Empire mess in my fair country. With a parent in the British Military as an Irish Catholic stationed in Northern Ireland, I can tell you we seen both sides of the fence and watched it petrol bombed. But here we are now 2013, and an area once famed for finding bodies is now hosting the G8 summit. NI is a testement to what can happen when people want it to happen.
Israel and Palestine is a beautiful part of the world with beautiful people and unique history, some day, I hope maturity can be found to co exist without pain.
The people of the world, though the United Nations, expresses grave concerns about the criminal goverment of Israel, again this year in 2013,
Dispite dozens of UN resolutions condemning teh gross international violation of internatinal law by the criminal israeli government, this regime continues to kill people, invade foreign territories, is responsible of groos violations of human rights.
The world is now mature, and condemns the israeli government for those crimes, taking place each single day, for decades, agains the people of Palestine.
Does the israeli regime wants to live in peace, when it continues its gross violations of international law, keep on killing Palestinian civilians for decades, etc.....
What is still more terrifying : the criminal israeli regime consider itself above international law, not respecting the United Nations resolutions.
The people of the world, though the United Nations, expresses grave concerns about the criminal goverment of Israel, again this year in 2013,
Dispite dozens of UN resolutions condemning teh gross international violation of internatinal law by the criminal israeli government, this regime continues to kill people, invade foreign territories, is responsible of groos violations of human rights.
The world is now mature, and condemns the israeli government for those crimes, taking place each single day, for decades, agains the people of Palestine.
Does the israeli regime wants to live in peace, when it continues its gross violations of international law, keep on killing Palestinian civilians for decades, etc.....
What is still more terrifying : the criminal israeli regime consider itself above international law, not respecting the United Nations resolutions.
Israel and America both are having complete control on United Nations. We cannot expect anything from UN because of their control and stong existance. A resolution is the only soultion for this injustice.
Israel and America both are having complete control on United Nations. We cannot expect anything from UN because of their control and stong existance. A resolution is the only soultion for this injustice.
Israel and America both are having complete control on United Nations. We cannot expect anything from UN because of their control and stong existance. A resolution is the only soultion for this injustice.
Sense, you don't make any...
Why are there so many resolutions against Israel, when according to you, Israel has a "complete control on (sic) United Nations"?
And shouldn't we expect a lot from an organisation with so much "control and strong existance"? What is strong existance? Are you trying to say, that the UN is made out of Dark Matter? Or is Arnold Schwarzenegger "strong existance" and Obama "weak sauce"?
And what kind of resolution as a soultion (sic) for this injustice are you talking about? If I hadn't seen your other posts, I would think you were witty and making some word-plays.
But let me end with the (nonexistant) Beatles Song: Resolution
You say you want a resolution
Well, you know, we all want to change the words
You tell me that it's intelligent design
Well, you know, we all want to change the words
But when you talk about discussions
Don't you know that you can count me in
Don't you know it's gonna be all night
All night, all night
Sense, you don't make any...
Why are there so many resolutions against Israel, when according to you, Israel has a "complete control on (sic) United Nations"?
And shouldn't we expect a lot from an organisation with so much "control and strong existance"? What is strong existance? Are you trying to say, that the UN is made out of Dark Matter? Or is Arnold Schwarzenegger "strong existance" and Obama "weak sauce"?
And what kind of resolution as a soultion (sic) for this injustice are you talking about? If I hadn't seen your other posts, I would think you were witty and making some word-plays.
But let me end with the (nonexistant) Beatles Song: Resolution
You say you want a resolution
Well, you know, we all want to change the words
You tell me that it's intelligent design
Well, you know, we all want to change the words
But when you talk about discussions
Don't you know that you can count me in
Don't you know it's gonna be all night
All night, all night
Israel and America both are having complete control on United Nations. We cannot expect anything from UN because of their control and stong existance. A resolution is the only soultion for this injustice.
Yes, you're right. When it refers to take action and the appropriate measures in order to prevent international law crimes by the israeli regime in Palestine, the US can oppose and block everything, using a totally anti-democratic tool called "the veto". In that way, the US has some control of the United Nations interventions.
After reading dozen of United Nations(UN) resolutions condemning the criminal government of Israel for gross violations of international law against the people of Palestine, one can see that surprisingly, and furthermores against the world's point of view, the US has been opposed to any United Nations intervention, using this "veto" anti-democratic tool to block everything. This is an authorization from the US to Israel to continue its crimes. Israel can continue to commit those crimes as long as the US allows thems to do so.
Everyday's violations of international law by the Israeli criminal regime against the people of Palestine could have been prevented by international intervention, which is exactly what the people of the world is asking.
What is still more terrifying : the criminal israeli regime consider itself above international law, not respecting the world's United Nations resolution asking it to stops its horrible crimes against the poeple of Paletine.
Yes, you're right. When it refers to take action and the appropriate measures in order to prevent international law crimes by the israeli regime in Palestine, the US can oppose and block everything, using a totally anti-democratic tool called "the veto". In that way, the US has some control of the United Nations interventions.
After reading dozen of United Nations(UN) resolutions condemning the criminal government of Israel for gross violations of international law against the people of Palestine, one can see that surprisingly, and furthermores against the world's point of view, the US has been opposed to any United Nations intervention, using this "veto" anti-democratic tool to block everything. This is an authorization from the US to Israel to continue its crimes. Israel can continue to commit those crimes as long as the US allows thems to do so.
Everyday's violations of international law by the Israeli criminal regime against the people of Palestine could have been prevented by international intervention, which is exactly what the people of the world is asking.
What is still more terrifying : the criminal israeli regime consider itself above international law, not respecting the world's United Nations resolution asking it to stops its horrible crimes against the poeple of Paletine.
Look it is quite simple. America gives shelter to Israel, America is the super power of world which can oppsose anyone and support anyone. Israel just needs the support of america and america is delivering. In fact i do believe that Israel and America are different names but the purpose is same. Their purpose is to rule the world and thats what they are doing.
Look it is quite simple. America gives shelter to Israel, America is the super power of world which can oppsose anyone and support anyone. Israel just needs the support of america and america is delivering. In fact i do believe that Israel and America are different names but the purpose is same. Their purpose is to rule the world and thats what they are doing.
Yes, the Jews with their Lazer-Sharks controll the world with their Doberman USA and the Poodle UK.
It really must be a crazy place you live in. Where is this US control you are talking about? They got kicked out of Iraq, they are getting kicked out of Afghanistan and Kazakhstan and are loosing military and political power every day.
It is true, that they still do support Israel. But if the Arabs weren't putting Allah and Quran in front of education and development, they would have had 50 years to build a strong society and kick Israel and USA's ass.
Just look what South Korea could achieve without religion with only 50 million citizens. And their country suffered a great war and separation. The Arabs with all their wealth in oil would be able to wipe Israel off the map (and I am not advocating this at all) if they just would stop blaming other nations and quit their silly superstitions and educate and train their own people.
Yeah, but blaming Israel and the US is so much easier to do, than asking, what you can do to advance your society and then changing it. Praying to allah is as effective as praying to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ramen.
Yes, the Jews with their Lazer-Sharks controll the world with their Doberman USA and the Poodle UK.
It really must be a crazy place you live in. Where is this US control you are talking about? They got kicked out of Iraq, they are getting kicked out of Afghanistan and Kazakhstan and are loosing military and political power every day.
It is true, that they still do support Israel. But if the Arabs weren't putting Allah and Quran in front of education and development, they would have had 50 years to build a strong society and kick Israel and USA's ass.
Just look what South Korea could achieve without religion with only 50 million citizens. And their country suffered a great war and separation. The Arabs with all their wealth in oil would be able to wipe Israel off the map (and I am not advocating this at all) if they just would stop blaming other nations and quit their silly superstitions and educate and train their own people.
Yeah, but blaming Israel and the US is so much easier to do, than asking, what you can do to advance your society and then changing it. Praying to allah is as effective as praying to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ramen.
Look it is quite simple. America gives shelter to Israel, America is the super power of world which can oppsose anyone and support anyone. Israel just needs the support of america and america is delivering. In fact i do believe that Israel and America are different names but the purpose is same. Their purpose is to rule the world and thats what they are doing.
Exactly :)
Yes, the Jews with their Lazer-Sharks controll the world with their Doberman USA and the Poodle UK.
It really must be a crazy place you live in. Where is this US control you are talking about? They got kicked out of Iraq, they are getting kicked out of Afghanistan and Kazakhstan and are loosing military and political power every day.
It is true, that they still do support Israel. But if the Arabs weren't putting Allah and Quran in front of education and development, they would have had 50 years to build a strong society and kick Israel and USA's ass.
Just look what South Korea could achieve without religion with only 50 million citizens. And their country suffered a great war and separation. The Arabs with all their wealth in oil would be able to wipe Israel off the map (and I am not advocating this at all) if they just would stop blaming other nations and quit their silly superstitions and educate and train their own people.
Yeah, but blaming Israel and the US is so much easier to do, than asking, what you can do to advance your society and then changing it. Praying to allah is as effective as praying to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ramen.
Alan,
You are contradicting yourself by saying that you want to be respected as an ethiest and then you go and say something disrespectful towards muslims and arab christians who pray to Allah. That's completely uncalled for.
In regards to the USA, there has been recent news in the media by formal NSA consultant Edward Snowden who admitted giving away classified information and revealed a huge telephone and internet traffic spying scandale. Can anybody deny that the USA dominates the world now?
Alan,
You are contradicting yourself by saying that you want to be respected as an ethiest and then you go and say something disrespectful towards muslims and arab christians who pray to Allah. That's completely uncalled for.
In regards to the USA, there has been recent news in the media by formal NSA consultant Edward Snowden who admitted giving away classified information and revealed a huge telephone and internet traffic spying scandale. Can anybody deny that the USA dominates the world now?
I don't think I ever asked anyone to respect my Atheism. I used the term "live freely" which is not respect but tolerance.
I can tolerate the bad small that comes from a dogs ass, but I don't respect it.
I can tolerate silly beliefs, like those in homeopathy, but I don't have to respect those believing in homeopathy. Do you need more examples to understand the difference between respect and tolerance?
Even if you don't, do you really expect me to tolerate a religion based on a book which denigrates me as an Atheist? I am not that retarded, thats similiar to demanding a wife to respect her husband who nearly beats her to death on a regular basis.
So, the USA spy? I guess, there is a Chinese man eating rice. Nothing new under the sun. But still no evidence of global domination.
I don't think I ever asked anyone to respect my Atheism. I used the term "live freely" which is not respect but tolerance.
I can tolerate the bad small that comes from a dogs ass, but I don't respect it.
I can tolerate silly beliefs, like those in homeopathy, but I don't have to respect those believing in homeopathy. Do you need more examples to understand the difference between respect and tolerance?
Even if you don't, do you really expect me to tolerate a religion based on a book which denigrates me as an Atheist? I am not that retarded, thats similiar to demanding a wife to respect her husband who nearly beats her to death on a regular basis.
So, the USA spy? I guess, there is a Chinese man eating rice. Nothing new under the sun. But still no evidence of global domination.
My remarks about Christians were not exclusive to Arab Christians. I just used the term allah as a placeholder for any god, could have used yahwe or Jesus instead.
My remarks about Christians were not exclusive to Arab Christians. I just used the term allah as a placeholder for any god, could have used yahwe or Jesus instead.
Alan,
You are contradicting yourself by saying that you want to be respected as an ethiest and then you go and say something disrespectful towards muslims and arab christians who pray to Allah. That's completely uncalled for.
In regards to the USA, there has been recent news in the media by formal NSA consultant Edward Snowden who admitted giving away classified information and revealed a huge telephone and internet traffic spying scandale. Can anybody deny that the USA dominates the world now?
One can only agree with you.
This person keep on denigrating groups of persons because of their religion, insulting in a totally unacceptable way the dignity of those people.
What is more shocking :it seems that for this so called user "Alan S", these denigrations are his basis to justify the horrible crimes against humanity perpetrated by the government of Israel against the people of Palestine .
Such comments on this forums made by this person hidding under the nickname of "Alan S" cannot be tolerated anymore in this forum, in the name of humanity and dignity of the people of the world.
One can only agree with you.
This person keep on denigrating groups of persons because of their religion, insulting in a totally unacceptable way the dignity of those people.
What is more shocking :it seems that for this so called user "Alan S", these denigrations are his basis to justify the horrible crimes against humanity perpetrated by the government of Israel against the people of Palestine .
Such comments on this forums made by this person hidding under the nickname of "Alan S" cannot be tolerated anymore in this forum, in the name of humanity and dignity of the people of the world.
Order
Basis of this forum calls for a boycott products made in Israel.
First. More than 60% of the factory workers over the green line are Palestinians, confiscation of factories but will direct harm those Palestinians with work permits.
Two.Israel is one of the leading medical development. Boycott the soda streamer is just headlines. I want to see you in boycotting Israeli medical advances that help prevent pregnancy complications, helping seniors with Parkinson , and many other developments.
Last night fired six rockets at Israeli towns, more than two million people were at risk of missile attack on their homes. Imagine the security signal system operates at Geneva and laussane and you have 30 seconds to take cover.
The rockets were fired from Gaza populated area, more than a million and a half residents are now being introduced in the Gaza Strip by a terrorist organization elected democratically.
apologizes on my lacking English.
Order
Basis of this forum calls for a boycott products made in Israel.
First. More than 60% of the factory workers over the green line are Palestinians, confiscation of factories but will direct harm those Palestinians with work permits.
Two.Israel is one of the leading medical development. Boycott the soda streamer is just headlines. I want to see you in boycotting Israeli medical advances that help prevent pregnancy complications, helping seniors with Parkinson , and many other developments.
Last night fired six rockets at Israeli towns, more than two million people were at risk of missile attack on their homes. Imagine the security signal system operates at Geneva and laussane and you have 30 seconds to take cover.
The rockets were fired from Gaza populated area, more than a million and a half residents are now being introduced in the Gaza Strip by a terrorist organization elected democratically.
apologizes on my lacking English.
It's a fact that the whole world, in many occasions and with dozen of United Nations resolutions,has condemned the israeli regime for international law gross violations happening for decades already. About what can be done to prevent the israeli government to continue it's crimes against the people of Palestine?
If it was not because of this totally undemocratic tool called the "veto" used by the US, complices with the horrible crimes perpetrated by the israeli regime, Israel would have been forced long time ago to stop its gross violations of international human law and other mass killings in Palestine.
It's a fact that the whole world, in many occasions and with dozen of United Nations resolutions,has condemned the israeli regime for international law gross violations happening for decades already. About what can be done to prevent the israeli government to continue it's crimes against the people of Palestine?
If it was not because of this totally undemocratic tool called the "veto" used by the US, complices with the horrible crimes perpetrated by the israeli regime, Israel would have been forced long time ago to stop its gross violations of international human law and other mass killings in Palestine.
Yes, the Jews with their Lazer-Sharks controll the world with their Doberman USA and the Poodle UK.
It really must be a crazy place you live in. Where is this US control you are talking about? They got kicked out of Iraq, they are getting kicked out of Afghanistan and Kazakhstan and are loosing military and political power every day.
It is true, that they still do support Israel. But if the Arabs weren't putting Allah and Quran in front of education and development, they would have had 50 years to build a strong society and kick Israel and USA's ass.
Just look what South Korea could achieve without religion with only 50 million citizens. And their country suffered a great war and separation. The Arabs with all their wealth in oil would be able to wipe Israel off the map (and I am not advocating this at all) if they just would stop blaming other nations and quit their silly superstitions and educate and train their own people.
Yeah, but blaming Israel and the US is so much easier to do, than asking, what you can do to advance your society and then changing it. Praying to allah is as effective as praying to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ramen.
Look we do not need to talk about religious views of christians and muslims. We are here for general chat. Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? Do you think if any country do not want development, large buildings etc, so America has right to destroy them? There own economy is not good, their citizens are facing recession and they are involved in other countries affairs. The simple and wise point is that they want to capture all resources of the whole world.
Look we do not need to talk about religious views of christians and muslims. We are here for general chat. Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? Do you think if any country do not want development, large buildings etc, so America has right to destroy them? There own economy is not good, their citizens are facing recession and they are involved in other countries affairs. The simple and wise point is that they want to capture all resources of the whole world.
Look we do not need to talk about religious views of christians and muslims. We are here for general chat. Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? Do you think if any country do not want development, large buildings etc, so America has right to destroy them? There own economy is not good, their citizens are facing recession and they are involved in other countries affairs. The simple and wise point is that they want to capture all resources of the whole world.
Just a point about religion. I did not denigrate people, just because they belong to a religion. It don't cast every member of a religion in the same pot. Every religion has a huge variety in what the members of said religion actually believe. I don't claim, that all religious people are stupid. Having 90 percent of all humans having some kind of supernatural beliefs and many of the remaining 10 percent atheists have also stupid ideas, calling say 95 percent of the world stupid, would make little sence. Even though I disagree strongly with Newtons's religious views, I still consider him to be a genius.
But to your point: Has the USA the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? To answer this question, I would really need to to define authority better. Then the second point would be are you talking about legal questions or morale questions?
The second question is easy to answer, but I also think is not really relevant. Does the USA have the right to destroy countries, just because they don't want to develop? No. I don't think this is relevant, as I don't think this has ever happened.
Then your comment about capturing all the ressourses of the world. I don't see the USA trying to capture all the ressourses of the world. You still seem to be living in a colonial mindset. If the USA would still be a colonial power, why would they have left Iraq? A colonial power would still stay in Iraq. I have no reason to believe, that the Invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the control over oil, as Saddam Hussein still sold oil to the USA, even under sanctions.
Just a point about religion. I did not denigrate people, just because they belong to a religion. It don't cast every member of a religion in the same pot. Every religion has a huge variety in what the members of said religion actually believe. I don't claim, that all religious people are stupid. Having 90 percent of all humans having some kind of supernatural beliefs and many of the remaining 10 percent atheists have also stupid ideas, calling say 95 percent of the world stupid, would make little sence. Even though I disagree strongly with Newtons's religious views, I still consider him to be a genius.
But to your point: Has the USA the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? To answer this question, I would really need to to define authority better. Then the second point would be are you talking about legal questions or morale questions?
The second question is easy to answer, but I also think is not really relevant. Does the USA have the right to destroy countries, just because they don't want to develop? No. I don't think this is relevant, as I don't think this has ever happened.
Then your comment about capturing all the ressourses of the world. I don't see the USA trying to capture all the ressourses of the world. You still seem to be living in a colonial mindset. If the USA would still be a colonial power, why would they have left Iraq? A colonial power would still stay in Iraq. I have no reason to believe, that the Invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the control over oil, as Saddam Hussein still sold oil to the USA, even under sanctions.
Look we do not need to talk about religious views of christians and muslims. We are here for general chat. Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? Do you think if any country do not want development, large buildings etc, so America has right to destroy them? There own economy is not good, their citizens are facing recession and they are involved in other countries affairs. The simple and wise point is that they want to capture all resources of the whole world.
You are right. the US has not authority to violate other countries sovereigny, it's completely illegal and violates international law. The US is an hegemonic empire, invading and killing hundreds of thousands civilians all over the world.
The US is in bankrupcy, surviving only with bank loans from all over the world. So, they decide to steal other countries to control them, either economically, imposing to them their neo-colonialist economic approach, or simply stealing their ressources, for instance oil, or financing and supporting "Coup d'Etat" in order to put some regimes favorable the their cause, as it has done these years.
The US also support the Israeli state terrorism in the middle East,opposing the world's condemnation, through the United Nations, of the criminal israeli regime. The US uses Israel to reach their goals, Israel will only do what the US allows it to do.
You are right. the US has not authority to violate other countries sovereigny, it's completely illegal and violates international law. The US is an hegemonic empire, invading and killing hundreds of thousands civilians all over the world.
The US is in bankrupcy, surviving only with bank loans from all over the world. So, they decide to steal other countries to control them, either economically, imposing to them their neo-colonialist economic approach, or simply stealing their ressources, for instance oil, or financing and supporting "Coup d'Etat" in order to put some regimes favorable the their cause, as it has done these years.
The US also support the Israeli state terrorism in the middle East,opposing the world's condemnation, through the United Nations, of the criminal israeli regime. The US uses Israel to reach their goals, Israel will only do what the US allows it to do.
Just a point about religion. I did not denigrate people, just because they belong to a religion. It don't cast every member of a religion in the same pot. Every religion has a huge variety in what the members of said religion actually believe. I don't claim, that all religious people are stupid. Having 90 percent of all humans having some kind of supernatural beliefs and many of the remaining 10 percent atheists have also stupid ideas, calling say 95 percent of the world stupid, would make little sence. Even though I disagree strongly with Newtons's religious views, I still consider him to be a genius.
But to your point: Has the USA the authority to interfere in other countries affairs? To answer this question, I would really need to to define authority better. Then the second point would be are you talking about legal questions or morale questions?
The second question is easy to answer, but I also think is not really relevant. Does the USA have the right to destroy countries, just because they don't want to develop? No. I don't think this is relevant, as I don't think this has ever happened.
Then your comment about capturing all the ressourses of the world. I don't see the USA trying to capture all the ressourses of the world. You still seem to be living in a colonial mindset. If the USA would still be a colonial power, why would they have left Iraq? A colonial power would still stay in Iraq. I have no reason to believe, that the Invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the control over oil, as Saddam Hussein still sold oil to the USA, even under sanctions.
Well i think it is difficult for anyone to answer first two questions. But your views about third question related to resources are half right and half wrong. You said that america left iraq even though iraq has large oil reserves. No i do not agree to you, look it is pretty simple to acquire oil after payment is not same as occupying all the resources of oil. If america is not there in iraq then it does not mean that now america has no concern with iraq and its oil. America is physically not there in iraq but america is controlling the system of iraq. America has tranparent power in iraq which is not visible.
Well i think it is difficult for anyone to answer first two questions. But your views about third question related to resources are half right and half wrong. You said that america left iraq even though iraq has large oil reserves. No i do not agree to you, look it is pretty simple to acquire oil after payment is not same as occupying all the resources of oil. If america is not there in iraq then it does not mean that now america has no concern with iraq and its oil. America is physically not there in iraq but america is controlling the system of iraq. America has tranparent power in iraq which is not visible.
@ hassel lee Lets try to tackle both points. You asked "Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs?" so you should be able to define authority a bit better.
I do not deny, that "america has no concern with iraq and its oil". I would even go as far to say that Switzerland has a concern with iraq and its oil. So I am not sure, what point you are trying to make.
Plus I am no fan of conspiracy theories. Do you claim that the government of Iraq has no control over its ressources?
@ hassel lee Lets try to tackle both points. You asked "Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs?" so you should be able to define authority a bit better.
I do not deny, that "america has no concern with iraq and its oil". I would even go as far to say that Switzerland has a concern with iraq and its oil. So I am not sure, what point you are trying to make.
Plus I am no fan of conspiracy theories. Do you claim that the government of Iraq has no control over its ressources?
Majnoon: Shell (UK, NL) 45, Petronas (MY) 30, Iraq 25
Halfaya Field: China National (CN) 50, Total (FR) 50
West Qurna Field: Exxon (US), Lukoil (RU) Statoil (Norway), Eni (IT), China National (CN)
Rumaila oil field: BP (UK) China National (CN)
East Baghdad Field JAPEX (JP)
Yeah, clearly, you have all the facts. Only US companies working in Iraqi oilfields /sarcasm off
Majnoon: Shell (UK, NL) 45, Petronas (MY) 30, Iraq 25
Halfaya Field: China National (CN) 50, Total (FR) 50
West Qurna Field: Exxon (US), Lukoil (RU) Statoil (Norway), Eni (IT), China National (CN)
Rumaila oil field: BP (UK) China National (CN)
East Baghdad Field JAPEX (JP)
Yeah, clearly, you have all the facts. Only US companies working in Iraqi oilfields /sarcasm off
Lets get a bit back to the topic of this thread. Hassel Lee has been claiming that the US and Israel are controlling the world and the USA holds control of the Iraqi oil.
This is the conspiracy theory I was pointing to.
The facts do not support claims, that the US has (directly or over US oil companies) control over the ressources of Iraq.
Now you (shaun123) post an oppinion piece by Antonia Juhasz where she claims "Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil." She can have any opinion she likes, but she offers little facts to back up her opinion.
Your second link is a 2009 states the opposite: "Out of over 40 companies constellated in various consortia, only seven firms present at the auction were American and only one actually entered a bid."
So what are you (shaun123) claiming? Is the US controlling the oil in Iraq like Hassel Lee claimed or not (like I claim)?
Lets get a bit back to the topic of this thread. Hassel Lee has been claiming that the US and Israel are controlling the world and the USA holds control of the Iraqi oil.
This is the conspiracy theory I was pointing to.
The facts do not support claims, that the US has (directly or over US oil companies) control over the ressources of Iraq.
Now you (shaun123) post an oppinion piece by Antonia Juhasz where she claims "Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil." She can have any opinion she likes, but she offers little facts to back up her opinion.
Your second link is a 2009 states the opposite: "Out of over 40 companies constellated in various consortia, only seven firms present at the auction were American and only one actually entered a bid."
So what are you (shaun123) claiming? Is the US controlling the oil in Iraq like Hassel Lee claimed or not (like I claim)?
Thanks for the clear explanation, based on fact and good references, as always.
It's a attrocity and gross crimes against humanity, all these hundreds of thousands Iraqi civilians victims... only because the US wanted to steal iraqi oil...
Thanks for the clear explanation, based on fact and good references, as always.
It's a attrocity and gross crimes against humanity, all these hundreds of thousands Iraqi civilians victims... only because the US wanted to steal iraqi oil...
@ hassel lee Lets try to tackle both points. You asked "Do you think America has the authority to interfere in other countries affairs?" so you should be able to define authority a bit better.
I do not deny, that "america has no concern with iraq and its oil". I would even go as far to say that Switzerland has a concern with iraq and its oil. So I am not sure, what point you are trying to make.
Plus I am no fan of conspiracy theories. Do you claim that the government of Iraq has no control over its ressources?
It does not matter that a country has some concerns about oil resources. What does matters is the action to acquire those resources.I am talking about actions or steps taken by american govt to capture those resources.Their actions are in front of everyone, i do not need to make conspiracy theories.
It does not matter that a country has some concerns about oil resources. What does matters is the action to acquire those resources.I am talking about actions or steps taken by american govt to capture those resources.Their actions are in front of everyone, i do not need to make conspiracy theories.
I think everyone wants to close his eyes and want to avoid criminal facts about these cruel nations. And remember these nations have strong political influence in the world and they better know how to get rid of difficult situations against them.
I think everyone wants to close his eyes and want to avoid criminal facts about these cruel nations. And remember these nations have strong political influence in the world and they better know how to get rid of difficult situations against them.
Again, Hassel Lee, you claim that the US has "acquire(d) those resources (sic)" even though I have shown you the companies from different countries who have contracts to extract the oil. And the US isn't even the biggest player, despite having a huge oil industry.
US companies do make a profit when they extract the oil, but that is still far away from acquiring it. The US still have to pay, if they want to import Iraqi oil.
The conspiracy theory is to claim that they have control of the oil and are taking it (for free) when in fact they have neither the control nor are stealing the oil.
Again, Hassel Lee, you claim that the US has "acquire(d) those resources (sic)" even though I have shown you the companies from different countries who have contracts to extract the oil. And the US isn't even the biggest player, despite having a huge oil industry.
US companies do make a profit when they extract the oil, but that is still far away from acquiring it. The US still have to pay, if they want to import Iraqi oil.
The conspiracy theory is to claim that they have control of the oil and are taking it (for free) when in fact they have neither the control nor are stealing the oil.
@shaun123 I do agree with some points you make and disagree with others.
I am not saying, that oil is of no importance in geo politics. I just don't see the USA having control over the oil in Iran or Iraq. I don't deny, that they would like to, but liking and having are different things.
Besides this point, the control of oil in the Persian Gulf, I disagree that the USA only support dictators. Obama could have supported Mubarak against the Arab Spring, but he did not. The USA is less monolithic than most of its critics would admit. Sure, they support the KSA monarchy, but there aren't that many democratic alternatives.
Even though I am no fan of Israel, calling it a criminal state is obscene. Israel of course has a lot of faults, but an honest observer would use Israel as a benchmark, many if not all of the countries in that region, even on that continent would be found lacking. So if most Asian nations are worse than Israel, is it really fair to single out Israel? Turkey is occupying parts of Cypres, China is occupying Tibet, but I don't hear most critics of Israel calling those states criminal.
Then I strongly disagree that Iran is a "decent democracy" like you claim. Iran is a theocracy with a mit of democratic windowdressing thrown in the mix.
@shaun123 I do agree with some points you make and disagree with others.
I am not saying, that oil is of no importance in geo politics. I just don't see the USA having control over the oil in Iran or Iraq. I don't deny, that they would like to, but liking and having are different things.
Besides this point, the control of oil in the Persian Gulf, I disagree that the USA only support dictators. Obama could have supported Mubarak against the Arab Spring, but he did not. The USA is less monolithic than most of its critics would admit. Sure, they support the KSA monarchy, but there aren't that many democratic alternatives.
Even though I am no fan of Israel, calling it a criminal state is obscene. Israel of course has a lot of faults, but an honest observer would use Israel as a benchmark, many if not all of the countries in that region, even on that continent would be found lacking. So if most Asian nations are worse than Israel, is it really fair to single out Israel? Turkey is occupying parts of Cypres, China is occupying Tibet, but I don't hear most critics of Israel calling those states criminal.
Then I strongly disagree that Iran is a "decent democracy" like you claim. Iran is a theocracy with a mit of democratic windowdressing thrown in the mix.
I would like Iran to be an ally of the West, but its regime is far from democratic and its people seem to think, that nothing good can come from an other uprising.
Clearly, Iran has a far different culture than Arab countries and I wish the Iranian people the best in overthrowing their theocratic dictators (without intervention by the US and Israel, just to be clear).
I would like Iran to be an ally of the West, but its regime is far from democratic and its people seem to think, that nothing good can come from an other uprising.
Clearly, Iran has a far different culture than Arab countries and I wish the Iranian people the best in overthrowing their theocratic dictators (without intervention by the US and Israel, just to be clear).
Good observation.
Israel is a criminal state and, despite dozens of United Nations resolutions condemning it, the israeli regime continues to violates international law every single day for decades. Israel is a real threat in the region.
As Israel doesn't care about international law and about United Nations condemnations, would military intervention be a solutions to stop the gross violations of international law by the criminal Israel regime?
Good observation.
Israel is a criminal state and, despite dozens of United Nations resolutions condemning it, the israeli regime continues to violates international law every single day for decades. Israel is a real threat in the region.
As Israel doesn't care about international law and about United Nations condemnations, would military intervention be a solutions to stop the gross violations of international law by the criminal Israel regime?
Instead of filling the forum with headlines, let's have a real proposal solution of the Israeli - Palestinian conflict.
If you have the possibility to visit Israel I strongly recommend.
See how ten minutes from Tel Aviv Arab villages are living in peace and dignity with Jews.
Show me one country in the Middle East that in the government sit Arab women except Israel.
99% of Israelis want Palestinian state alongside Israel. One condition and clear - recognizing the Jewish state.
in your solution refer to the west bank and to Gaza as wall.
Instead of filling the forum with headlines, let's have a real proposal solution of the Israeli - Palestinian conflict.
If you have the possibility to visit Israel I strongly recommend.
See how ten minutes from Tel Aviv Arab villages are living in peace and dignity with Jews.
Show me one country in the Middle East that in the government sit Arab women except Israel.
99% of Israelis want Palestinian state alongside Israel. One condition and clear - recognizing the Jewish state.
in your solution refer to the west bank and to Gaza as wall.
Instead of filling the forum with headlines, let's have a real proposal solution of the Israeli - Palestinian conflict.
If you have the possibility to visit Israel I strongly recommend.
See how ten minutes from Tel Aviv Arab villages are living in peace and dignity with Jews.
Show me one country in the Middle East that in the government sit Arab women except Israel.
99% of Israelis want Palestinian state alongside Israel. One condition and clear - recognizing the Jewish state.
in your solution refer to the west bank and to Gaza as wall.
Thanks for your comments.
It's true that the people of Israel wants to live in peace, as all the people of the world, nobody doubt about it.
As Israel doesn't care about international law and about the dozens of United Nations condemnations, causing thousands of dead, military intervention could be a good solutions to stop the gross violations of international law by the criminal Israel regime. For much less than that, countries have been invaded
Thanks for your comments.
It's true that the people of Israel wants to live in peace, as all the people of the world, nobody doubt about it.
As Israel doesn't care about international law and about the dozens of United Nations condemnations, causing thousands of dead, military intervention could be a good solutions to stop the gross violations of international law by the criminal Israel regime. For much less than that, countries have been invaded
And Gaza is controlled by Mama Tereza..
And Gaza is controlled by Mama Tereza..
I don't it's really funny to make fun of the people of Palestine, who are victims of gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the criminal state of Israel...
In fact, there are dozens of United Nations condemnations of Israel. I invite you to read some of them, but to make it easier, I would mention a recent one you can check at the United Nations website:
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
(quote of this UN resolution expression the view of the world):
The United Nations Resolution (A/RES/67/121) of 14 January 2013 adopted by the General Assembly deeply condemns the Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied PalestinianTerritory, including East Jerusalem :
-"the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power,
-including that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians";
... and the list of horrible crimes by the Israeli govenment is not finished...
What can be done to prevent the israeli criminal government to continue these attrocities in 2013?
Nor
I don't it's really funny to make fun of the people of Palestine, who are victims of gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the criminal state of Israel...
In fact, there are dozens of United Nations condemnations of Israel. I invite you to read some of them, but to make it easier, I would mention a recent one you can check at the United Nations website:
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
(quote of this UN resolution expression the view of the world):
The United Nations Resolution (A/RES/67/121) of 14 January 2013 adopted by the General Assembly deeply condemns the Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied PalestinianTerritory, including East Jerusalem :
-"the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power,
-including that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians";
... and the list of horrible crimes by the Israeli govenment is not finished...
What can be done to prevent the israeli criminal government to continue these attrocities in 2013?
Nor
I would like Iran to be an ally of the West, but its regime is far from democratic and its people seem to think, that nothing good can come from an other uprising.
Clearly, Iran has a far different culture than Arab countries and I wish the Iranian people the best in overthrowing their theocratic dictators (without intervention by the US and Israel, just to be clear).
You said people of iran need to throw theocratic dictators. Look Alan it is simple if people of iran are happy with dictators and they are having no difficulty. So i think they do not need to do anything rough against them. If everything is going smoothly without any problem then why anyone has to create trouble. It does not matter that they are dictators or democrates, what does really matters that they are in peace. They are utilizing their resources easily, they are safe in their country then why they need to interfere in govt policies if every policy is in their favor.
You said people of iran need to throw theocratic dictators. Look Alan it is simple if people of iran are happy with dictators and they are having no difficulty. So i think they do not need to do anything rough against them. If everything is going smoothly without any problem then why anyone has to create trouble. It does not matter that they are dictators or democrates, what does really matters that they are in peace. They are utilizing their resources easily, they are safe in their country then why they need to interfere in govt policies if every policy is in their favor.
I don't it's really funny to make fun of the people of Palestine, who are victims of gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the criminal state of Israel...
In fact, there are dozens of United Nations condemnations of Israel. I invite you to read some of them, but to make it easier, I would mention a recent one you can check at the United Nations website:
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
(quote of this UN resolution expression the view of the world):
The United Nations Resolution (A/RES/67/121) of 14 January 2013 adopted by the General Assembly deeply condemns the Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied PalestinianTerritory, including East Jerusalem :
-"the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power,
-including that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians";
... and the list of horrible crimes by the Israeli govenment is not finished...
What can be done to prevent the israeli criminal government to continue these attrocities in 2013?
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You are right Juan, we do not have to make fun of people of palestine. They are living in hell for so many years and no body here has authority to take serious step against israel. So if we cnanot do anything good for them at least we have to show our support to them.
You are right Juan, we do not have to make fun of people of palestine. They are living in hell for so many years and no body here has authority to take serious step against israel. So if we cnanot do anything good for them at least we have to show our support to them.
Good observation.
Israel is a criminal state and, despite dozens of United Nations resolutions condemning it, the israeli regime continues to violates international law every single day for decades. Israel is a real threat in the region.
As Israel doesn't care about international law and about United Nations condemnations, would military intervention be a solutions to stop the gross violations of international law by the criminal Israel regime?
I think it is useless to repeat such facts about cruelity of israel. They are cuel not everyone but most of them are cruel. We just need to rasie this issue and inspire people for revolution. I think UN is uable to do anything in this issue, at this time man power is required to stop this non-sense.
I think it is useless to repeat such facts about cruelity of israel. They are cuel not everyone but most of them are cruel. We just need to rasie this issue and inspire people for revolution. I think UN is uable to do anything in this issue, at this time man power is required to stop this non-sense.
I don't think I ever asked anyone to respect my Atheism. I used the term "live freely" which is not respect but tolerance.
I can tolerate the bad small that comes from a dogs ass, but I don't respect it.
I can tolerate silly beliefs, like those in homeopathy, but I don't have to respect those believing in homeopathy. Do you need more examples to understand the difference between respect and tolerance?
Even if you don't, do you really expect me to tolerate a religion based on a book which denigrates me as an Atheist? I am not that retarded, thats similiar to demanding a wife to respect her husband who nearly beats her to death on a regular basis.
So, the USA spy? I guess, there is a Chinese man eating rice. Nothing new under the sun. But still no evidence of global domination.
You have showed yourself as being very ignorant and cheap.
You have showed yourself as being very ignorant and cheap.
A "sorry for the false claims I made" would have been enough.
Ther crimial israeli regime doesn't stop it's attrocities in Palestine, and it's getting too far this time.
The world, through the voice of the United Nations, has demanded this year that "Israel, the occupying Power, cease the exploitation,damage, cause of loss or depletion, and endangerment of the natural resources in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the occupied SyrianGolan"
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/229
What can be done to stop the terrorist state of Israel continuing it's crimes against humanity?
Ther crimial israeli regime doesn't stop it's attrocities in Palestine, and it's getting too far this time.
The world, through the voice of the United Nations, has demanded this year that "Israel, the occupying Power, cease the exploitation,damage, cause of loss or depletion, and endangerment of the natural resources in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the occupied SyrianGolan"
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/229
What can be done to stop the terrorist state of Israel continuing it's crimes against humanity?
Ther crimial israeli regime doesn't stop it's attrocities in Palestine, and it's getting too far this time.
The world, through the voice of the United Nations, has demanded this year that "Israel, the occupying Power, cease the exploitation,damage, cause of loss or depletion, and endangerment of the natural resources in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the occupied SyrianGolan"
Source : http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/229
What can be done to stop the terrorist state of Israel continuing it's crimes against humanity?
Actually it is very difficult to stop this act of destruction and inhumanity because israeli govt is playing under superpowers and no one here is capable enough to go against those countries.
Actually it is very difficult to stop this act of destruction and inhumanity because israeli govt is playing under superpowers and no one here is capable enough to go against those countries.
Million Palestinians are going to get next month into Israel, Tel Aviv Sea , the holy places of Jerusalem, Haifa and other places in Israel following the month of Ramadan. In this month expected economic prosperity to the Palestinian Authority and Israel.(Restaurants of Israelis and Arab Israelis, taxi drivers and others.)
Commander in Chief of the Israeli army ordered all soldiers not to eat not to drink and not to smoke during the Palestinian West Bank pass the territory of Israel.
Out of respect for Muslim
Wish all Muslims fast easy and happy holiday.
(Probably news of this kind you wont see in the world media.)
Million Palestinians are going to get next month into Israel, Tel Aviv Sea , the holy places of Jerusalem, Haifa and other places in Israel following the month of Ramadan. In this month expected economic prosperity to the Palestinian Authority and Israel.(Restaurants of Israelis and Arab Israelis, taxi drivers and others.)
Commander in Chief of the Israeli army ordered all soldiers not to eat not to drink and not to smoke during the Palestinian West Bank pass the territory of Israel.
Out of respect for Muslim
Wish all Muslims fast easy and happy holiday.
(Probably news of this kind you wont see in the world media.)
Million Palestinians are going to get next month into Israel, Tel Aviv Sea , the holy places of Jerusalem, Haifa and other places in Israel following the month of Ramadan. In this month expected economic prosperity to the Palestinian Authority and Israel.(Restaurants of Israelis and Arab Israelis, taxi drivers and others.)
Commander in Chief of the Israeli army ordered all soldiers not to eat not to drink and not to smoke during the Palestinian West Bank pass the territory of Israel.
Out of respect for Muslim
Wish all Muslims fast easy and happy holiday.
(Probably news of this kind you wont see in the world media.)
Well if it really happened then one should appreciate it and i think if its true then it is a good step for peace. But the main point is that if it really happened then why there is no news of such statement.
Well if it really happened then one should appreciate it and i think if its true then it is a good step for peace. But the main point is that if it really happened then why there is no news of such statement.
These things happen on a daily basis.
It's not sexy enough to appear in a newspaper headline.
These things happen on a daily basis.
It's not sexy enough to appear in a newspaper headline.
Million Palestinians are going to get next month into Israel, Tel Aviv Sea , the holy places of Jerusalem, Haifa and other places in Israel following the month of Ramadan. In this month expected economic prosperity to the Palestinian Authority and Israel.(Restaurants of Israelis and Arab Israelis, taxi drivers and others.)
Commander in Chief of the Israeli army ordered all soldiers not to eat not to drink and not to smoke during the Palestinian West Bank pass the territory of Israel.
Out of respect for Muslim
Wish all Muslims fast easy and happy holiday.
(Probably news of this kind you wont see in the world media.)
I have no doubt that there are Israelis that want a peaceful solution and respect the idea of a two state solution, however in my opinion the IDF dictates public opinion and clearly do more harm than good.
More news that Palestenians will be evicted from the Naqeb area.
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs146/1101893905212/archive/1114011682002.html
I have no doubt that there are Israelis that want a peaceful solution and respect the idea of a two state solution, however in my opinion the IDF dictates public opinion and clearly do more harm than good.
More news that Palestenians will be evicted from the Naqeb area.
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs146/1101893905212/archive/1114011682002.html
There is a small group of Jewish extremists who create provocations and damaged the reputation of the State of Israel. Just like group of Palestinians and just like in any other nation.
Israel has a moral army that works to better the lives of Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Reply disturbances Palestinian side or the Israeli side will be treated the same hardware by the Israeli army.
Say from experience rather than the distorted media.
There is a small group of Jewish extremists who create provocations and damaged the reputation of the State of Israel. Just like group of Palestinians and just like in any other nation.
Israel has a moral army that works to better the lives of Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Reply disturbances Palestinian side or the Israeli side will be treated the same hardware by the Israeli army.
Say from experience rather than the distorted media.
It's a fact that the criminal israeli regime continue it's attrocities in Palestine. These crimes must come now to an end.
The entire world, through the voice of the United Nations, has expressed again this year (2013), to the criminal israeli regime, it's (quote) :
"(...) grave concern about the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power, including:
-that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians;
Source : United Nations official website,
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
What can be done to stop the terrorist state of Israel continuing it's crimes against humanity?
It's a fact that the criminal israeli regime continue it's attrocities in Palestine. These crimes must come now to an end.
The entire world, through the voice of the United Nations, has expressed again this year (2013), to the criminal israeli regime, it's (quote) :
"(...) grave concern about the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel, the occupying Power, including:
-that arising from the excessive use of force and military operations causing death and injury to Palestinian civilians, including children, women and non-violent, peaceful demonstrators;
-the arbitrary imprisonment and detention of Palestinians;
Source : United Nations official website,
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/121
What can be done to stop the terrorist state of Israel continuing it's crimes against humanity?
Should make a clear separation between Gaza and the West Bank.
Gaza - is controlled by a terrorist organization, I do not know of any democratic or dictatorial entering into negotiations with a terrorist organization.
In order to resolve the Palestinian people in this area need to rise just as was done in the rest of the Middle East.
West Bank - The Israeli government for years calling for negotiations without preconditions on the plots of land into two states for two peoples. And I ask you what Abu Mazen is not ready to sit down with the Prime Minister of Israel and as an agreement to conduct a land swap?
Answer as - the rule of terror by Israel is not an answer. Israel is a democracy just like any other country in Europe.
I'm interested to hear a solution is not a continuation of poison-filled slogans.
Give a definite answer to solve the problem of the occupied Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.
Keep in mind that Israel is rightly referred not to negotiate with Assad in Syria and I think there is no need to provide an explanation for the events in Syria killed at 110,000 people over the past two years.
Should make a clear separation between Gaza and the West Bank.
Gaza - is controlled by a terrorist organization, I do not know of any democratic or dictatorial entering into negotiations with a terrorist organization.
In order to resolve the Palestinian people in this area need to rise just as was done in the rest of the Middle East.
West Bank - The Israeli government for years calling for negotiations without preconditions on the plots of land into two states for two peoples. And I ask you what Abu Mazen is not ready to sit down with the Prime Minister of Israel and as an agreement to conduct a land swap?
Answer as - the rule of terror by Israel is not an answer. Israel is a democracy just like any other country in Europe.
I'm interested to hear a solution is not a continuation of poison-filled slogans.
Give a definite answer to solve the problem of the occupied Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.
Keep in mind that Israel is rightly referred not to negotiate with Assad in Syria and I think there is no need to provide an explanation for the events in Syria killed at 110,000 people over the past two years.
Hamas is more or less in control of Gaza. If Hamas is a terrorist organisation is still under debate. I do not deny, that some members of Hamas are and were involved in terrorism, but is that enough to lable the whole of Hamas as terrorist, I haven't made up my mind.
Your second point was, that you don't know of any democratic (country I guess) entering negotiations with a terrorist organization. Examples are: ANC in SA, IRA in Northern Ireland, ETA in Spain and of course PLO in Israel. I could give more examples...
Being no fan of Hamas, your claim that Gazans should rise against Hamas and this would solve all their porblems is ludicrous.
Israel is not like any other country in Europe.
Hamas is more or less in control of Gaza. If Hamas is a terrorist organisation is still under debate. I do not deny, that some members of Hamas are and were involved in terrorism, but is that enough to lable the whole of Hamas as terrorist, I haven't made up my mind.
Your second point was, that you don't know of any democratic (country I guess) entering negotiations with a terrorist organization. Examples are: ANC in SA, IRA in Northern Ireland, ETA in Spain and of course PLO in Israel. I could give more examples...
Being no fan of Hamas, your claim that Gazans should rise against Hamas and this would solve all their porblems is ludicrous.
Israel is not like any other country in Europe.
These things happen on a daily basis.
It's not sexy enough to appear in a newspaper headline.
But it has to appear in newspaper if it happened because the condition and situation demand these little but effective news.
But it has to appear in newspaper if it happened because the condition and situation demand these little but effective news.
There is a small group of Jewish extremists who create provocations and damaged the reputation of the State of Israel. Just like group of Palestinians and just like in any other nation.
Israel has a moral army that works to better the lives of Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Reply disturbances Palestinian side or the Israeli side will be treated the same hardware by the Israeli army.
Say from experience rather than the distorted media.
I agree to you that every one do not want extremism but it is not a hidden thing that israeli govt is moving against palestinians. And off course in public i believe there will be a number of israelis who want peace.
I agree to you that every one do not want extremism but it is not a hidden thing that israeli govt is moving against palestinians. And off course in public i believe there will be a number of israelis who want peace.
Indeed there is negotiating with terrorist organizations . Israel also released the kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit negotiations with hamas
I'm talking about recognition and declaration of another country was led by a terrorist organization.
In principle Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and do not know its existence.
Coup in Gaza is not the solution but part of a process that can lead to it.
And I sit still didnt get a practical answer for a political solution to the issue of the territories.
Indeed there is negotiating with terrorist organizations . Israel also released the kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit negotiations with hamas
I'm talking about recognition and declaration of another country was led by a terrorist organization.
In principle Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and do not know its existence.
Coup in Gaza is not the solution but part of a process that can lead to it.
And I sit still didnt get a practical answer for a political solution to the issue of the territories.
Apparently, you did not hear dozens wounded in villages near the Syrian border with Israel receive treatment in Israeli hospitals.
And today Jerusalem police chief decided to ban entry of Jews to the Temple Mount to allow greater entry of Muslims to the mosque on the occasion of Haramdn holly.
Apparently, you did not hear dozens wounded in villages near the Syrian border with Israel receive treatment in Israeli hospitals.
And today Jerusalem police chief decided to ban entry of Jews to the Temple Mount to allow greater entry of Muslims to the mosque on the occasion of Haramdn holly.
Apparently, you did not hear dozens wounded in villages near the Syrian border with Israel receive treatment in Israeli hospitals.
And today Jerusalem police chief decided to ban entry of Jews to the Temple Mount to allow greater entry of Muslims to the mosque on the occasion of Haramdn holly.
If it happened then i appreciate this work. But what about the govt, does govt take any step for peace.
If it happened then i appreciate this work. But what about the govt, does govt take any step for peace.
Indeed there is negotiating with terrorist organizations . Israel also released the kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit negotiations with hamas
I'm talking about recognition and declaration of another country was led by a terrorist organization.
In principle Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and do not know its existence.
Coup in Gaza is not the solution but part of a process that can lead to it.
And I sit still didnt get a practical answer for a political solution to the issue of the territories.
These are big news and if it really happened then there must be somthing i found on internet or newpaper but i did not find anything. How do i believe that you are saying right things.
These are big news and if it really happened then there must be somthing i found on internet or newpaper but i did not find anything. How do i believe that you are saying right things.
It's a fully recognize fact that the government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. Israel must stop violating the fundamental human rights of the Palestian people.
The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes of the terrorist state of Israel.
It's a fully recognize fact that the government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. Israel must stop violating the fundamental human rights of the Palestian people.
The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes of the terrorist state of Israel.
It's a fully recognize fact that the government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. Israel must stop violating the fundamental human rights of the Palestian people.
The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes of the terrorist state of Israel.
But here in this discussion "ori dotan" is saying that israeli army is protecting palestinian civilians for their upcoming move in israel.
But here in this discussion "ori dotan" is saying that israeli army is protecting palestinian civilians for their upcoming move in israel.
The government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes of the terrorist Israeli regime, responsible or crimes against humanity.
The government of Israel is responsible for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians (shoot on women, kids...), after having stolen their land, confiscated their water supply, and reduced them to starvation... all this in complete violation of international public law. The international community needs now to put an end to these horrible crimes of the terrorist Israeli regime, responsible or crimes against humanity.
all Humans share the same psyche,
By political economy humans need basic biological things, food, water, shelter...sense of security
then comes another needs related to our modern world : schools, education, hospital treatments, roads...
in some countries what is considered as normal is also luxury in poorer areas, cars, holidays,etc...
at the end of the day we must understand is that humans are a violent species, more violent than animals, animals don t torture, don t exterminate in genocide, do not use gas chambers,do not put svastikas and kill millions of other humans.
violence is bad, killing other humans is a sin....
i am a historian , and what i am worried about is that wars implicate more and more civilian casualities! there has been laws of war like the treaty of westphalia in the 17 th century, but in the last century, there were more casualities among civilians like in WWII, and later on.even if our world is more modern technically we must be awarwethat human violence is getting worst. we humans have discovered incredibly terrible instruments of death like nuclear nukes.. humans are not threating each other only, they are threatning the whole planet....
politicians and diplomats should do their job correctly and make humans live in peace.
I am optimistic , i believe everybody CAN CHANGE, YES EVERYONE can change.( i mean for better of course :)) Live and let live..
maybe we can learn from this country of exception Switzerland, which became the most successfull in europe , because of its long preiod of peace plus hard work which made it the wealthiest ( or one of the wealthiest) country in the world, thanks to the wisdom of its elite leaders.
all Humans share the same psyche,
By political economy humans need basic biological things, food, water, shelter...sense of security
then comes another needs related to our modern world : schools, education, hospital treatments, roads...
in some countries what is considered as normal is also luxury in poorer areas, cars, holidays,etc...
at the end of the day we must understand is that humans are a violent species, more violent than animals, animals don t torture, don t exterminate in genocide, do not use gas chambers,do not put svastikas and kill millions of other humans.
violence is bad, killing other humans is a sin....
i am a historian , and what i am worried about is that wars implicate more and more civilian casualities! there has been laws of war like the treaty of westphalia in the 17 th century, but in the last century, there were more casualities among civilians like in WWII, and later on.even if our world is more modern technically we must be awarwethat human violence is getting worst. we humans have discovered incredibly terrible instruments of death like nuclear nukes.. humans are not threating each other only, they are threatning the whole planet....
politicians and diplomats should do their job correctly and make humans live in peace.
I am optimistic , i believe everybody CAN CHANGE, YES EVERYONE can change.( i mean for better of course :)) Live and let live..
maybe we can learn from this country of exception Switzerland, which became the most successfull in europe , because of its long preiod of peace plus hard work which made it the wealthiest ( or one of the wealthiest) country in the world, thanks to the wisdom of its elite leaders.
Israel constructed to upset the Arabs to achieve perpetual discord in the Middle East to ensure a US presence there - which is why the US govt are hand in hand with the Israeli govt
Israel constructed to upset the Arabs to achieve perpetual discord in the Middle East to ensure a US presence there - which is why the US govt are hand in hand with the Israeli govt
all Humans share the same psyche,
By political economy humans need basic biological things, food, water, shelter...sense of security
then comes another needs related to our modern world : schools, education, hospital treatments, roads...
in some countries what is considered as normal is also luxury in poorer areas, cars, holidays,etc...
at the end of the day we must understand is that humans are a violent species, more violent than animals, animals don t torture, don t exterminate in genocide, do not use gas chambers,do not put svastikas and kill millions of other humans.
violence is bad, killing other humans is a sin....
i am a historian , and what i am worried about is that wars implicate more and more civilian casualities! there has been laws of war like the treaty of westphalia in the 17 th century, but in the last century, there were more casualities among civilians like in WWII, and later on.even if our world is more modern technically we must be awarwethat human violence is getting worst. we humans have discovered incredibly terrible instruments of death like nuclear nukes.. humans are not threating each other only, they are threatning the whole planet....
politicians and diplomats should do their job correctly and make humans live in peace.
I am optimistic , i believe everybody CAN CHANGE, YES EVERYONE can change.( i mean for better of course :)) Live and let live..
maybe we can learn from this country of exception Switzerland, which became the most successfull in europe , because of its long preiod of peace plus hard work which made it the wealthiest ( or one of the wealthiest) country in the world, thanks to the wisdom of its elite leaders.
makes you wonder why the general populace even remotely support a military which is supposed to protect them when they stand just as much as dying being injured in a war...you would think letting idiots who want to join the armed forces kill each other would be a workable solution
makes you wonder why the general populace even remotely support a military which is supposed to protect them when they stand just as much as dying being injured in a war...you would think letting idiots who want to join the armed forces kill each other would be a workable solution
There is a small group of Jewish extremists who create provocations and damaged the reputation of the State of Israel. Just like group of Palestinians and just like in any other nation.
Israel has a moral army that works to better the lives of Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Reply disturbances Palestinian side or the Israeli side will be treated the same hardware by the Israeli army.
Say from experience rather than the distorted media.
can ANY army be considered "moral"? They are basically contract killers and to pretend otherwise is naive
Before ANYone chips in saying there are lots of support functions for the ground troops ...well they are just aides in the killing
can ANY army be considered "moral"? They are basically contract killers and to pretend otherwise is naive
Before ANYone chips in saying there are lots of support functions for the ground troops ...well they are just aides in the killing
Salem, Juan and co. I agree with you that boycotting Israel is the right thing to do and I encourage each and one of your "BDS" or more properly "BS" members to tatoo on their forhead the attached card, to make sure that no Israeli product or technology will be used to save their misearble life, if a tatoo is too harsh, you can just print this card and keep it in your wallet, it will be as good, deal?
Salem, Juan and co. I agree with you that boycotting Israel is the right thing to do and I encourage each and one of your "BDS" or more properly "BS" members to tatoo on their forhead the attached card, to make sure that no Israeli product or technology will be used to save their misearble life, if a tatoo is too harsh, you can just print this card and keep it in your wallet, it will be as good, deal?
The idiots that boycot Israel, are causing the layoffs of Palestinian workers, SodaStream factory will be relocated, but the Palestinians will go back to work with donkeys in their fields, so how rightful you feel now Salem?
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/01/21/Boycott-of-Israel-s-SodaStream-may-affect-Palestinian-workers.html
The idiots that boycot Israel, are causing the layoffs of Palestinian workers, SodaStream factory will be relocated, but the Palestinians will go back to work with donkeys in their fields, so how rightful you feel now Salem?
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/01/21/Boycott-of-Israel-s-SodaStream-may-affect-Palestinian-workers.html
No words:
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4647/saudi_columnist_says_number_of_ariel_sharon_s_victims_tiny_compared_with_victims_of_arab_rulers_and_terrorists
No words:
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4647/saudi_columnist_says_number_of_ariel_sharon_s_victims_tiny_compared_with_victims_of_arab_rulers_and_terrorists
All the BDS members, next time you are crossing a security checkpoint in an airport, I urge you to aggresively refuse the security check because the machine has been developed in Israel.
All the BDS members, next time you are crossing a security checkpoint in an airport, I urge you to aggresively refuse the security check because the machine has been developed in Israel.
Would you like that all wounded Syrian civiliens that run to the Israeli border for medical assistance to save their lives, also boycot Israel and die by their muslim brothers? who wants to sign the petition on their behalf?
There are ONLY 1.6m muslims living in true democracy in the Middle East, all of them are Israeli citizens, enough said.
Would you like that all wounded Syrian civiliens that run to the Israeli border for medical assistance to save their lives, also boycot Israel and die by their muslim brothers? who wants to sign the petition on their behalf?
There are ONLY 1.6m muslims living in true democracy in the Middle East, all of them are Israeli citizens, enough said.
it is difficult for idiots to process reality and admit that they are idiots, it will destroy them.
it is difficult for idiots to process reality and admit that they are idiots, it will destroy them.
All the BDS members, next time you are crossing a security checkpoint in an airport, I urge you to aggresively refuse the security check because the machine has been developed in Israel.
This is not factual.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/deserts/booth.asp
The founders of Google are Israelis? Neither Larry Page nor Sergey Brin are Israelis. Larry was born in Michigan, Sergey in Moscow. I haven't found any claims (in a short internet search, that they have are citizens of Israel. Wikipedia lists both of them as American. Not sure, who the idiot here is.
The founders of Google are Israelis? Neither Larry Page nor Sergey Brin are Israelis. Larry was born in Michigan, Sergey in Moscow. I haven't found any claims (in a short internet search, that they have are citizens of Israel. Wikipedia lists both of them as American. Not sure, who the idiot here is.
http://israel21c.org/technology/israels-top-10-airport-security-technologies-2/
http://israel21c.org/technology/israels-top-10-airport-security-technologies-2/
Swiss military and police train in Israel in anti terror tactics and Krav maga, next time you are stopped for a police control, boycot the policeman, as it Is against your moral values.
Swiss military and police train in Israel in anti terror tactics and Krav maga, next time you are stopped for a police control, boycot the policeman, as it Is against your moral values.
The founders of Google are Israelis? Neither Larry Page nor Sergey Brin are Israelis. Larry was born in Michigan, Sergey in Moscow. I haven't found any claims (in a short internet search, that they have are citizens of Israel. Wikipedia lists both of them as American. Not sure, who the idiot here is.
They have both been living in Israel before their parents immigrated to the US.
They have both been living in Israel before their parents immigrated to the US.
Larry Page was born in the USA. A quick google search has found no indications, that Sergey Brin was in Israel before moving to the USA. Wikipedia clearly says, Sergey moved from Russia to the USA.
I highly doubt, that any Swiss Army units train in Israel. I served in the Swiss army for many years and have never heard such claims. Having Swiss units train outside Switzerland is always met with resistance from many political fractions, mostly SVP. Training units of the Swiss army in Israel would make more heads explode and therefore make the news.
You have made so many claims, which I am doubtful of the truthcontent of quite a few of them, combined with the fact that a) you have a new account here with no friends and no activities and b) that almost all your post on this forum are made in this one controversial thread would suggest, that you live under a bridge aka are a troll.
Larry Page was born in the USA. A quick google search has found no indications, that Sergey Brin was in Israel before moving to the USA. Wikipedia clearly says, Sergey moved from Russia to the USA.
I highly doubt, that any Swiss Army units train in Israel. I served in the Swiss army for many years and have never heard such claims. Having Swiss units train outside Switzerland is always met with resistance from many political fractions, mostly SVP. Training units of the Swiss army in Israel would make more heads explode and therefore make the news.
You have made so many claims, which I am doubtful of the truthcontent of quite a few of them, combined with the fact that a) you have a new account here with no friends and no activities and b) that almost all your post on this forum are made in this one controversial thread would suggest, that you live under a bridge aka are a troll.
Ron:
You need to stop, fast. I removed some of your posts on this thread (like the one refering to F*** A***), cos they are not acceptable on glocals. If you keep posting such stuff, we will block your account.
Nir, glocals admin
Ron:
You need to stop, fast. I removed some of your posts on this thread (like the one refering to F*** A***), cos they are not acceptable on glocals. If you keep posting such stuff, we will block your account.
Nir, glocals admin
hamas (voted-in by the palestinians) are very clear that their mission is total annihilation of israel (regardless of how israel's borders are defined), not peace. see the below link.
people on this forum, like shaun123, display utupia wishful thinking by forwarding a view that if israel plays nice, peace with hamas will arrive.
don't take my word for it, just listed to what hamas leaders actually said just last week:
hamas (voted-in by the palestinians) are very clear that their mission is total annihilation of israel (regardless of how israel's borders are defined), not peace. see the below link.
people on this forum, like shaun123, display utupia wishful thinking by forwarding a view that if israel plays nice, peace with hamas will arrive.
don't take my word for it, just listed to what hamas leaders actually said just last week:
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=10529 Here it is directly from the devils
's mouth.
To make things more precise, the Israeli army is neither poor or defenseless, and its moral values are not in par to the other armies or regimes that have been ever in any war.
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=10529 Here it is directly from the devils
's mouth.
To make things more precise, the Israeli army is neither poor or defenseless, and its moral values are not in par to the other armies or regimes that have been ever in any war.
@shaun: point well taken. i based my direct approach to you based on the general feel i got from reading your posts, not from something verbatim you said.
@bibi: if you really believe it's israeli propaganda to claim that hamas officially wants to destroy israel and not to have peace with it, then you have no idea what's up in that region. below is copy-paste from the hamas charter:
Goals of the HAMAS:
To raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.' (Article 6)
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)
@shaun: point well taken. i based my direct approach to you based on the general feel i got from reading your posts, not from something verbatim you said.
@bibi: if you really believe it's israeli propaganda to claim that hamas officially wants to destroy israel and not to have peace with it, then you have no idea what's up in that region. below is copy-paste from the hamas charter:
Goals of the HAMAS:
To raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.' (Article 6)
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)
"Palestinians" living in Syria are not thrilled by their lifestyle over there, and are dissapointed by the lack of interest and lack of support from the "Palestinians" "leadership", and beg to get an Israeli citizenship and move and live in Israel and one may wonder WHY?
"Palestinians" living in Syria are not thrilled by their lifestyle over there, and are dissapointed by the lack of interest and lack of support from the "Palestinians" "leadership", and beg to get an Israeli citizenship and move and live in Israel and one may wonder WHY?
@siddrath: my opinion is that "who suffers more" is not an argument. i bet palestinians suffer more than israrelis in the conflict. but that doesn't mean the palestinian main claims in the dispute are right, and that doesn't look at why the suffering is at such level.
palestinians in gaza suffer for many reasons, but a main one is because they elected hamas, whose aim is to destroy israel, and who declated war on israel. so israel reacts by strong measures, closing borders, bringing in military, etc, which make daily life in gaza hell, for sure.
by contrast, palestinians in the west bank voted in the less extreme fatah who is negotiating with israel, and as a result israel's approach there is totally different. there's trade, people movement, investment, ets. as a result of that, daily life in the west bank is un-comparably better than in gaza.
so yes, there's suffering all over, and that's horrible. but there's far more to look at than who suffers more.
@siddrath: my opinion is that "who suffers more" is not an argument. i bet palestinians suffer more than israrelis in the conflict. but that doesn't mean the palestinian main claims in the dispute are right, and that doesn't look at why the suffering is at such level.
palestinians in gaza suffer for many reasons, but a main one is because they elected hamas, whose aim is to destroy israel, and who declated war on israel. so israel reacts by strong measures, closing borders, bringing in military, etc, which make daily life in gaza hell, for sure.
by contrast, palestinians in the west bank voted in the less extreme fatah who is negotiating with israel, and as a result israel's approach there is totally different. there's trade, people movement, investment, ets. as a result of that, daily life in the west bank is un-comparably better than in gaza.
so yes, there's suffering all over, and that's horrible. but there's far more to look at than who suffers more.
@ron: where do you get these claims from??? palestinians in syria beg to get an israeli citizenship? i follow the region closely, but never heard what you claim.
@ron: where do you get these claims from??? palestinians in syria beg to get an israeli citizenship? i follow the region closely, but never heard what you claim.
@ron: where do you get these claims from??? palestinians in syria beg to get an israeli citizenship? i follow the region closely, but never heard what you claim.
Hi Mark,
1. I appreciate very much your balanced opinion, which is somehow rare in the world, as everyone has a strong opinion about whatever, even without knowing anything about it!
2. In the youtube link that I have attached on the original post, there are people speaking in Arabic asking for Israel to accept them as citizens becaue "Israel takes care of their own as opposite to the Palestinians regime".
3. Hospitals in the northern part of Israel are full with wounded Syrians that managed to get to the border and ask for medical assistance, I encourage anyone to google and find out what the Turkish, Libanese and Jordanians are doing to the refugees that come close to their borders.
And some genious wants to boycot Israel, and others even join him..
Hi Mark,
1. I appreciate very much your balanced opinion, which is somehow rare in the world, as everyone has a strong opinion about whatever, even without knowing anything about it!
2. In the youtube link that I have attached on the original post, there are people speaking in Arabic asking for Israel to accept them as citizens becaue "Israel takes care of their own as opposite to the Palestinians regime".
3. Hospitals in the northern part of Israel are full with wounded Syrians that managed to get to the border and ask for medical assistance, I encourage anyone to google and find out what the Turkish, Libanese and Jordanians are doing to the refugees that come close to their borders.
And some genious wants to boycot Israel, and others even join him..
@ron: just because an un-identified individual in an un-identified video says he wants an israeli passpost, doesnt mean "palestinians beg to get an Israeli citizenship and move and live in Israel". by making such broad claims based on such narrow evidence, you are hurting your own credebility.
@ron: just because an un-identified individual in an un-identified video says he wants an israeli passpost, doesnt mean "palestinians beg to get an Israeli citizenship and move and live in Israel". by making such broad claims based on such narrow evidence, you are hurting your own credebility.
@ron: just because an un-identified individual in an un-identified video says he wants an israeli passpost, doesnt mean "palestinians beg to get an Israeli citizenship and move and live in Israel". by making such broad claims based on such narrow evidence, you are hurting your own credebility.
It is the group of palestinians that beg for it, and the video that has been made in Syria, their dialect and the surroundings are enough for anyone that knows the region.
It is the group of palestinians that beg for it, and the video that has been made in Syria, their dialect and the surroundings are enough for anyone that knows the region.
Let's give an explicite example from one of my previous post on BDS's call to Boycott Sodastream.
Sodastream's factory is in Ma'ale Ma'ale adumim is it in occupied territory (not even inside Israel) built in vilolation with international laws, that is enough for the company to be denouced as Apartheid.
Say no to Occupation! Join us online to call on Oxfam to shame Scarlet Johnson on accepting a deal with Sodastream!
Let's give an explicite example from one of my previous post on BDS's call to Boycott Sodastream.
Sodastream's factory is in Ma'ale Ma'ale adumim is it in occupied territory (not even inside Israel) built in vilolation with international laws, that is enough for the company to be denouced as Apartheid.
Say no to Occupation! Join us online to call on Oxfam to shame Scarlet Johnson on accepting a deal with Sodastream!
Let's give an explicite example from one of my previous post on BDS's call to Boycott Sodastream.
Sodastream's factory is in Ma'ale Ma'ale adumim is it in occupied territory (not even inside Israel) built in vilolation with international laws, that is enough for the company to be denouced as Apartheid.
Say no to Occupation! Join us online to call on Oxfam to shame Scarlet Johnson on accepting a deal with Sodastream!
You do understand that Soda Stream factory in Maale Adumim is one out of three factories of the company in Israel, and that most of the workers in this factory are Palestinians that will have no jobs in case the factory will be relocated, and you do undertsand that "someone" will have to pay for their basic needs and support them, as Soda Stream is the main employer in the region, and as a man of honor, you will take responsibilities for your actions and you will adopt at least one family and support them from your Swiss salary and provide for their needs, am I right to assume it? or you are all talks without too much thinking..btw, Soda Stream is a great concept, instead of drinking the CokaCola deadly chemicals you can use natural syrops and add bobbles to your drink.
Now, I was thinking, if one wanted to boycot any Arab country, besides oil they have no exports of anything significant, no techonlogy, uniqe productions, etc. or I am missing something here?
You do understand that Soda Stream factory in Maale Adumim is one out of three factories of the company in Israel, and that most of the workers in this factory are Palestinians that will have no jobs in case the factory will be relocated, and you do undertsand that "someone" will have to pay for their basic needs and support them, as Soda Stream is the main employer in the region, and as a man of honor, you will take responsibilities for your actions and you will adopt at least one family and support them from your Swiss salary and provide for their needs, am I right to assume it? or you are all talks without too much thinking..btw, Soda Stream is a great concept, instead of drinking the CokaCola deadly chemicals you can use natural syrops and add bobbles to your drink.
Now, I was thinking, if one wanted to boycot any Arab country, besides oil they have no exports of anything significant, no techonlogy, uniqe productions, etc. or I am missing something here?
Thats not good enough, the factory that is in the West Bank technically speaking is illegal by international law.
You are making a poor argument there, going off subject with adoption?
You are missing the point Sodastream is unethical ...
If you want to Boycutt an Arab country go ahead!
Thats not good enough, the factory that is in the West Bank technically speaking is illegal by international law.
You are making a poor argument there, going off subject with adoption?
You are missing the point Sodastream is unethical ...
If you want to Boycutt an Arab country go ahead!
Thats not good enough, the factory that is in the West Bank technically speaking is illegal by international law.
You are making a poor argument there, going off subject with adoption?
You are missing the point Sodastream is unethical ...
If you want to Boycutt an Arab country go ahead!
@ Salem
1. The land is an Israeli land and doesn't belong to anyone else.
2. The UN has lost his "moral compass and legitimacy" by not doing anything to stop the mass killings in all of the Arab countries during the last few years, in Sudan, N. Korea, Iran, Iraq, etc. what did you do personally to stop the death of millions? or you prefer to stay in Geneve and claim that Israel is not ethical.
3. You didn't answer my question, will you adopt a Palestinian family and support them because they might lose their only source of income?
4. I wish I could boycot the Arab countries, but all I can find is Falafel powder from Lebanon, as weapons from Iran I don't need, either Camels from Egypt, or drugs from Lebanon. And am not aware of any technology, consumer goods, etc. being exported from any Arab country, do you know of anything???
@ Salem
1. The land is an Israeli land and doesn't belong to anyone else.
2. The UN has lost his "moral compass and legitimacy" by not doing anything to stop the mass killings in all of the Arab countries during the last few years, in Sudan, N. Korea, Iran, Iraq, etc. what did you do personally to stop the death of millions? or you prefer to stay in Geneve and claim that Israel is not ethical.
3. You didn't answer my question, will you adopt a Palestinian family and support them because they might lose their only source of income?
4. I wish I could boycot the Arab countries, but all I can find is Falafel powder from Lebanon, as weapons from Iran I don't need, either Camels from Egypt, or drugs from Lebanon. And am not aware of any technology, consumer goods, etc. being exported from any Arab country, do you know of anything???
Hi Kids,
I deleted some posts because things were getting too personal.
If any more personal insults or racist ideas are posted I'll have to suspend the poster.
Oded
Hi Kids,
I deleted some posts because things were getting too personal.
If any more personal insults or racist ideas are posted I'll have to suspend the poster.
Oded
Sad case Ron, I dont have to answer to your ridiculous questions as they are off topic.
san pellegrino & sirop = conflict free soda drink.
You talk about oil and the arab world.., you must know very well the year 1973 and the oil crisis right?
Sad case Ron, I dont have to answer to your ridiculous questions as they are off topic.
san pellegrino & sirop = conflict free soda drink.
You talk about oil and the arab world.., you must know very well the year 1973 and the oil crisis right?
Thanks @ Admin
Sorry guys, Im unsubscribing from the updates on this...and also trying to delete my old post as I dont want to be associated with a forum where people are venting out their deep supressed anger and getting personal with each other. (Dear Admin, pls can you delete my previous posts too incase I am unsucessful @ deleting it)...thanks
Thanks @ Admin
Sorry guys, Im unsubscribing from the updates on this...and also trying to delete my old post as I dont want to be associated with a forum where people are venting out their deep supressed anger and getting personal with each other. (Dear Admin, pls can you delete my previous posts too incase I am unsucessful @ deleting it)...thanks
Boycoting Israeli made dental equipment :-)
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-syrian-girl-stoned-to-death-for-using-facebook-account-4521918-NOR.html
And Israel is the reason for it, right?
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-syrian-girl-stoned-to-death-for-using-facebook-account-4521918-NOR.html
And Israel is the reason for it, right?
Thank you very much for the detailed enlighting definition of BSD! :)
so, are you actually trying to understand what everyone is telling you or is this a one way conversation where you just copy paste what you were told to copy paste all over the web?!!
what has BSD achieved for Palestenian rights since 2005?!
Do you think you are helping Palestenians and their image by going on a portal created by Israelis to boycott Israeli products?!!!
Do you think demonstrating ignorance and announcing boycotting Israeli people would change their politicians positions?!
You are not doing Palestenians any favors, even worse, you are just making all Arabs look bad by spreading those messages and starting those forums.
Try to better use this site in communicating instead of boycotting, you will see that you might learn much more! :)
I believe that Salem supports the Palestinians more than you in calling for bycoting the Israeli products. The fact that the glocals web site is created by Israelis doesn't means that the web site is an Israeli and we should bycotte it. When we call for bycotting the Israeli products is to send a message to the Israeli government that its politics isn''t accepted any more. It's a message to the Israelis that their future willn't by easy as long as the Palestinians are under your ocupation.
It's your right to express yourself and to see the world as you wish and it's my right as well to do the same!
I believe that Salem supports the Palestinians more than you in calling for bycoting the Israeli products. The fact that the glocals web site is created by Israelis doesn't means that the web site is an Israeli and we should bycotte it. When we call for bycotting the Israeli products is to send a message to the Israeli government that its politics isn''t accepted any more. It's a message to the Israelis that their future willn't by easy as long as the Palestinians are under your ocupation.
It's your right to express yourself and to see the world as you wish and it's my right as well to do the same!
I don't see the point that you ask Salem to concentrate on Syria instead of criticizing Israel. He has the right to defend the cause which interests him. You can defend the Syrians as you want.
If I would use your logic, I would ask you to defend the rights of the Palestinian refugees in the camps in Syria to go back to their villages and towns in Palestine and even a UN respolution no. 194 asks Israel to let them return to their home since 1948.
Tell me since 1948 how many Jews went to Israel to live while millions of Palestinians who were forced to leave can't go back to their homes in spite of the UN resolution in 1948.
You can treat the subject as political or as humanitarian. Is it just to open the door for Jews only and to close it for the non jews while their homes are still in the Palestinian villages inside Israel? Is it fair to live under the occupation since your birth and you die under the occupation? Is it fair to be treated as foreigner in your country because the Israeli occupation doesn't recognise your rights in the land of Palestine?
Thanks to Salem who defend the justice in this world!
I don't see the point that you ask Salem to concentrate on Syria instead of criticizing Israel. He has the right to defend the cause which interests him. You can defend the Syrians as you want.
If I would use your logic, I would ask you to defend the rights of the Palestinian refugees in the camps in Syria to go back to their villages and towns in Palestine and even a UN respolution no. 194 asks Israel to let them return to their home since 1948.
Tell me since 1948 how many Jews went to Israel to live while millions of Palestinians who were forced to leave can't go back to their homes in spite of the UN resolution in 1948.
You can treat the subject as political or as humanitarian. Is it just to open the door for Jews only and to close it for the non jews while their homes are still in the Palestinian villages inside Israel? Is it fair to live under the occupation since your birth and you die under the occupation? Is it fair to be treated as foreigner in your country because the Israeli occupation doesn't recognise your rights in the land of Palestine?
Thanks to Salem who defend the justice in this world!
Thanks Shaun,
The question was my attempt to understand your statement.
I'm not going to try to argue with you here, but I would suggest to you that this issue is much more complex than you make it out to be.
Both sides have made, and continue to make, a ton of mistakes and I don't think that blanket 'these guys are good and those guys are bad' statements / ideas help bring about a solution. On the contrary - I think that blanket statements just make people, on both sides, circle the wagons and defend things they may not beleive in 100%.
So again, without getting into the arguments, I would suggest that bringing up realistic solutions to the problems would be more helpful than trying to prove who's right and who's wrong.
Thanks
Oded
@ Oded
The best solution for the conflict is one state for the Palestinians and Israelis based on equal rights and duties for all the citizens regardless of their color, religion, ethnic origin or whatever difference.
Do you accept Oded to live with equall rights and duties and to let me live with equal rights and duties there as we do here in Switzerland?
@ Oded
The best solution for the conflict is one state for the Palestinians and Israelis based on equal rights and duties for all the citizens regardless of their color, religion, ethnic origin or whatever difference.
Do you accept Oded to live with equall rights and duties and to let me live with equal rights and duties there as we do here in Switzerland?
Hey, nothing is ever black or white ! Before critisicing, yelping about and using words like injustice, human rights, apartheid, and all the hoopla, I prefer seeing and experiencing things for myself ON THE SPOT.
Salem : have you actually LIVED in Israel to know what you're talking about ? And I mean ON BOTH SIDES ?
@ Nathalie B,
I lived in Gaza, Rammallah and worked in Tel Aviv for some time. I speak Hebrew as well and I follow the news and the debates on the Israeli Channels 2 and 10. I can tell you that bycotting the Israeli products is a good step to avoid wars. The bycott might make the Israeli government understand that occupation should end. it's 60 years now and the Palestinian refugees are waiting for the UN resloution 194 to be implemented. Are they human being or because they aren't jews then they should be treated diffrently?
@ Nathalie B,
I lived in Gaza, Rammallah and worked in Tel Aviv for some time. I speak Hebrew as well and I follow the news and the debates on the Israeli Channels 2 and 10. I can tell you that bycotting the Israeli products is a good step to avoid wars. The bycott might make the Israeli government understand that occupation should end. it's 60 years now and the Palestinian refugees are waiting for the UN resloution 194 to be implemented. Are they human being or because they aren't jews then they should be treated diffrently?
Colonialism either ancient or modern has its costs, all nations that have colonialized other territories in the last century have been suffering, i.e. France that now needs to deal with more than 25% of its citizens that have North African origin, Germany-Holland-Belgium-Sweden-Denmark-Norway-Spain, etc. that have abolished their immigration laws after WWII and now every 3 out of 4 new born is a Muslim, etc. and Israel that have made a mistake in “winning” the wars against her, and instead of dumping the hot potato of Gaza to Egypt and part of the West Bank to Jordan, is stuck with it and pays the price for being humanitarian.
The only nation that can conquer without a price is Russia that simply have no human rights standards or care for the international opinion, i.e. her position with the Islamic republic around her, with Ukraine, etc. they kill, conquer, rape, exploit, and stay to control for decades.
Boycott Israeli products it’s a joke, no one can really live with that, Israeli technology in both high and low tech are everywhere, it is good to attract some media that has nothing better to write about, but the facts are that the situation as it is cannot continue much longer, and the Palestinians are not the easiest neighbors to deal with, to the say the least, and it is no wonder that they are not welcome in any other Arab country, but after few generations of wars, it might happen that sooner or later, they and the Israelis will find a way to co exist, separated with defined and controlled borders, in which they will continue to fight with each other as in all Arab countries, but now it will not be Israel problem, anymore. Amen.
Colonialism either ancient or modern has its costs, all nations that have colonialized other territories in the last century have been suffering, i.e. France that now needs to deal with more than 25% of its citizens that have North African origin, Germany-Holland-Belgium-Sweden-Denmark-Norway-Spain, etc. that have abolished their immigration laws after WWII and now every 3 out of 4 new born is a Muslim, etc. and Israel that have made a mistake in “winning” the wars against her, and instead of dumping the hot potato of Gaza to Egypt and part of the West Bank to Jordan, is stuck with it and pays the price for being humanitarian.
The only nation that can conquer without a price is Russia that simply have no human rights standards or care for the international opinion, i.e. her position with the Islamic republic around her, with Ukraine, etc. they kill, conquer, rape, exploit, and stay to control for decades.
Boycott Israeli products it’s a joke, no one can really live with that, Israeli technology in both high and low tech are everywhere, it is good to attract some media that has nothing better to write about, but the facts are that the situation as it is cannot continue much longer, and the Palestinians are not the easiest neighbors to deal with, to the say the least, and it is no wonder that they are not welcome in any other Arab country, but after few generations of wars, it might happen that sooner or later, they and the Israelis will find a way to co exist, separated with defined and controlled borders, in which they will continue to fight with each other as in all Arab countries, but now it will not be Israel problem, anymore. Amen.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-sentences/
Imagine the world's reaction if Israel would have done the same? and since it is Egypt, that it is just fine, who is going to boycot any of the fine exports of Egypt?
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-sentences/
Imagine the world's reaction if Israel would have done the same? and since it is Egypt, that it is just fine, who is going to boycot any of the fine exports of Egypt?
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-sentences/
Imagine the world's reaction if Israel would have done the same? and since it is Egypt, that it is just fine, who is going to boycot any of the fine exports of Egypt?
@ Ron
When you have one standard values then violation is violation whoever behind it.
We shouldn't justify a violation because ther are other violations more important. lets agree on the standards and then it's easy to discuss. I believe that the human being is able to find excuses for his behaviours and unfortunately he becomes convinced with his excuses.
Try to think with one standard not double standards. You will find Israel violates the rights of the Palestinians as the Nazis violated the rights of the Jews and as the Egyptian government violates the rights of the oposition. If we agree on this principal then we can go forward and speak the same language.
@ Ron
When you have one standard values then violation is violation whoever behind it.
We shouldn't justify a violation because ther are other violations more important. lets agree on the standards and then it's easy to discuss. I believe that the human being is able to find excuses for his behaviours and unfortunately he becomes convinced with his excuses.
Try to think with one standard not double standards. You will find Israel violates the rights of the Palestinians as the Nazis violated the rights of the Jews and as the Egyptian government violates the rights of the oposition. If we agree on this principal then we can go forward and speak the same language.
@ Ron
When you have one standard values then violation is violation whoever behind it.
We shouldn't justify a violation because ther are other violations more important. lets agree on the standards and then it's easy to discuss. I believe that the human being is able to find excuses for his behaviours and unfortunately he becomes convinced with his excuses.
Try to think with one standard not double standards. You will find Israel violates the rights of the Palestinians as the Nazis violated the rights of the Jews and as the Egyptian government violates the rights of the oposition. If we agree on this principal then we can go forward and speak the same language.
Aldo, you dare to compare the Nazis to Israel???
Jews were in a defense mode since thousands of years in Israel, gangs of Arabs (whom you call Palestinians) attacked them on the roads of the country, attacked secluded villages and neighborhoods, for the sake of killing, raping and robbery.
As soon as the UN declared the independence of the Jewish state, do you remember what happened? Or in your history book the history is re written?? When all the Arab states including ones that didn’t have a border with Israel had sent soldiers to attack Israel, to throw the Jews into the sea. The result was somehow different and the Arabs that have left Israel (the new state), didn’t do it because they were forced to, but because they were afraid that they will suffer as they believed the Jews would have suffered from them, if the situation would have been the opposite.
The easy proof for it is the lifestyle of the Arabs that are equally rights citizen in Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, their health care, education, well being is second to none in the region, and still they complain.
Check in your biased history books, and show me one case of Israeli soldiers torturing, raping, or massacring the Palestinians?
The initials of “I.D.F” is: Israel Defense Force, its objective is to defende and not to attack, to guarantee safety and secure environment for the Israeli citizens, and not to conquer for the sake of getting more land or punishing another nation, can you say the same about any of the Arab countries?
I have been too many times in the West Bank, and even more in Gaza, and have seen too much to be able to declare under oath, sincerely and honestly that the Palestinians that I have met/saw/interacted with, are on the lowest level of any scale for having human values or compassion to others (including of their own), and to my standards are not human and can never be trusted.
Again, since I will be condemned for the above, just google the question of the well being of Christians in the West Bank or in Gaza, and see how the Muslims there treat their own people. Why don’t you boycott them???
Aldo, you dare to compare the Nazis to Israel???
Jews were in a defense mode since thousands of years in Israel, gangs of Arabs (whom you call Palestinians) attacked them on the roads of the country, attacked secluded villages and neighborhoods, for the sake of killing, raping and robbery.
As soon as the UN declared the independence of the Jewish state, do you remember what happened? Or in your history book the history is re written?? When all the Arab states including ones that didn’t have a border with Israel had sent soldiers to attack Israel, to throw the Jews into the sea. The result was somehow different and the Arabs that have left Israel (the new state), didn’t do it because they were forced to, but because they were afraid that they will suffer as they believed the Jews would have suffered from them, if the situation would have been the opposite.
The easy proof for it is the lifestyle of the Arabs that are equally rights citizen in Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, their health care, education, well being is second to none in the region, and still they complain.
Check in your biased history books, and show me one case of Israeli soldiers torturing, raping, or massacring the Palestinians?
The initials of “I.D.F” is: Israel Defense Force, its objective is to defende and not to attack, to guarantee safety and secure environment for the Israeli citizens, and not to conquer for the sake of getting more land or punishing another nation, can you say the same about any of the Arab countries?
I have been too many times in the West Bank, and even more in Gaza, and have seen too much to be able to declare under oath, sincerely and honestly that the Palestinians that I have met/saw/interacted with, are on the lowest level of any scale for having human values or compassion to others (including of their own), and to my standards are not human and can never be trusted.
Again, since I will be condemned for the above, just google the question of the well being of Christians in the West Bank or in Gaza, and see how the Muslims there treat their own people. Why don’t you boycott them???
I'm a victim of the Israeli occupation and I describe my suffering as I feel it. I expect from you to respect my suffering as I respect the sufferings of the other victims in this world.
I believe that a survivor of the Holocaust would understand me and feel my suffering better than you.
You said that you have been in West Bank and Gaza, have you been there as solider to opress the Palestinians in Gaza or you have been there as a doctor to treat them?
Being in West Bank or Gaza doesn't mean that you can know them and discover their humanity and kidness and solidarity with the humanity!
What about Israel, How much Israel is human when you see the Palestinian patients die on the check points and not allowed to get treated in the Israeli hospitals? Your state force them to become collaborators with the occupation in order to get access to the medical treatment!
Your problem isn't with the Palestinians of Gaza, your problem is with the whole world which is different even the Israelis who are black skin might be considered as not human according to your standards!
When you respect any moral values then nothing is impossible!
وإنما الأُممُ الأخلاقُ ما بقيت ..... فإن همُ ذهبت أخلاقهم ذهبوا
I'm a victim of the Israeli occupation and I describe my suffering as I feel it. I expect from you to respect my suffering as I respect the sufferings of the other victims in this world.
I believe that a survivor of the Holocaust would understand me and feel my suffering better than you.
You said that you have been in West Bank and Gaza, have you been there as solider to opress the Palestinians in Gaza or you have been there as a doctor to treat them?
Being in West Bank or Gaza doesn't mean that you can know them and discover their humanity and kidness and solidarity with the humanity!
What about Israel, How much Israel is human when you see the Palestinian patients die on the check points and not allowed to get treated in the Israeli hospitals? Your state force them to become collaborators with the occupation in order to get access to the medical treatment!
Your problem isn't with the Palestinians of Gaza, your problem is with the whole world which is different even the Israelis who are black skin might be considered as not human according to your standards!
When you respect any moral values then nothing is impossible!
وإنما الأُممُ الأخلاقُ ما بقيت ..... فإن همُ ذهبت أخلاقهم ذهبوا
U.N. rights investigator accuses Israel of 'ethnic cleansing'
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/uk-palestinian-israel-un-idUKBREA2K1JM20140321
(Reuters) - A U.N. human rights investigator accused Israel on Friday of "ethnic cleansing" in pushing Palestinians out of East Jerusalem and cast doubt that the Israeli government could accept a Palestinian state in the current climate.
He spoke against a backdrop of deadlocked peace talks and accelerating Israeli settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem which Palestinians say is dimming their hope of establishing a viable state on contiguous territory.
Israel says Palestinian refusal to recognise it as a Jewish state is the main obstacle. U.S. President Barack Obama this week pressed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to help break the impasse, saying both sides must take political risks before the April 29 deadline for a framework deal.
Richard Falk, United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, told a news conference that Israeli policies bore "unacceptable characteristics of colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing".
"Every increment of enlarging the settlements or every incident of house demolition is a way of worsening the situation confronting the Palestinian people and reducing what prospects they might have as the outcome of supposed peace negotiations."
Asked about his accusation of ethnic cleansing, Falk said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits.
"The 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg because many more are faced with possible challenges to their residency rights."
This compounded the "ordeal of this extended, prolonged occupation", according to Falk, an international law expert and professor emeritus at Princeton University in the United States.
Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and later annexed the latter, declaring it part of its eternal, indivisible capital, a move never recognised internationally.
Palestinians seek a state in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as their capital. In 2005 Israel quit Gaza, now run by Hamas Islamists opposed to Abbas' peace efforts, but settlement growth continues in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Falk said that Israel had made a systematic effort to "change the ethnic composition" of East Jerusalem by making it more difficult for Palestinians to reside there while encouraging the spread of settlements, which are considered illegal under international law.
In a report last month, Falk said Israeli policies in the West Bank appeared to amount to "apartheid and segregation" with a de facto annexation of parts of the territory, denying the Palestinian right to self-determination.
There was no immediate Israeli response to his remarks on Friday. Israel has not responded officially to Falk's February report via the president of the U.N. Human Rights Council, the usual channel, U.N. officials in Geneva said.
In the past Israel has strongly denied accusations of persecuting Palestinians, accusing them of inciting anti-Israeli violence and being unwilling to make permanent peace with the Jewish state.
"DRIFT TO THE RIGHT"
Direct peace negotiations usually coincide with intensified Israeli settlement activity, he told reporters.
The U.S.-brokered peace process seemed to be primarily a project of Secretary of State John Kerry who had received only "minimal support from Obama himself", Falk said.
"There are other reasons for encouraging the idea that it's still possible to negotiate a settlement based on the two-state model, even though most informed observers regard it as highly implausible given the changes that have taken place during the period of occupation and given the outlook of the Netanyahu government," he said, making clear he was among the sceptics.
Even entering negotiations, he said, is seen as a "betrayal" by Israeli political factions and parties that are to the right of the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"A few years ago it would be hard to imagine that there was something to the right of Netanyahu. But gradually this drift to the right has created a whole new sense of the political debate within Israel," Falk said. "And there is a strong internal Israeli opposition to any sense that the Palestinian people in any diminished way deserve a state of their own."
Falk, an American law professor who is Jewish, has come to the end of a six-year term in the independent post and the U.N. Human Rights Council is expected to name a successor soon.
He has long drawn controversy in Israel, in 2008 comparing Israeli military strikes against Hamas in Gaza - during which 1,400 Palestinians were killed and there was widespread destruction in densely populated areas - to those of the Nazis.
Last June he said critics who called him anti-Semitic sought to divert attention from his scrutiny of Israeli policies.
He is to address the U.N. Human Rights Council on Monday, but it was not clear whether Israeli delegates would attend due to an ongoing strike by Israeli foreign ministry staff.
(Editing by Mark Heinrich)
U.N. rights investigator accuses Israel of 'ethnic cleansing'
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/uk-palestinian-israel-un-idUKBREA2K1JM20140321
(Reuters) - A U.N. human rights investigator accused Israel on Friday of "ethnic cleansing" in pushing Palestinians out of East Jerusalem and cast doubt that the Israeli government could accept a Palestinian state in the current climate.
He spoke against a backdrop of deadlocked peace talks and accelerating Israeli settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem which Palestinians say is dimming their hope of establishing a viable state on contiguous territory.
Israel says Palestinian refusal to recognise it as a Jewish state is the main obstacle. U.S. President Barack Obama this week pressed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to help break the impasse, saying both sides must take political risks before the April 29 deadline for a framework deal.
Richard Falk, United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, told a news conference that Israeli policies bore "unacceptable characteristics of colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing".
"Every increment of enlarging the settlements or every incident of house demolition is a way of worsening the situation confronting the Palestinian people and reducing what prospects they might have as the outcome of supposed peace negotiations."
Asked about his accusation of ethnic cleansing, Falk said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits.
"The 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg because many more are faced with possible challenges to their residency rights."
This compounded the "ordeal of this extended, prolonged occupation", according to Falk, an international law expert and professor emeritus at Princeton University in the United States.
Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and later annexed the latter, declaring it part of its eternal, indivisible capital, a move never recognised internationally.
Palestinians seek a state in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as their capital. In 2005 Israel quit Gaza, now run by Hamas Islamists opposed to Abbas' peace efforts, but settlement growth continues in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Falk said that Israel had made a systematic effort to "change the ethnic composition" of East Jerusalem by making it more difficult for Palestinians to reside there while encouraging the spread of settlements, which are considered illegal under international law.
In a report last month, Falk said Israeli policies in the West Bank appeared to amount to "apartheid and segregation" with a de facto annexation of parts of the territory, denying the Palestinian right to self-determination.
There was no immediate Israeli response to his remarks on Friday. Israel has not responded officially to Falk's February report via the president of the U.N. Human Rights Council, the usual channel, U.N. officials in Geneva said.
In the past Israel has strongly denied accusations of persecuting Palestinians, accusing them of inciting anti-Israeli violence and being unwilling to make permanent peace with the Jewish state.
"DRIFT TO THE RIGHT"
Direct peace negotiations usually coincide with intensified Israeli settlement activity, he told reporters.
The U.S.-brokered peace process seemed to be primarily a project of Secretary of State John Kerry who had received only "minimal support from Obama himself", Falk said.
"There are other reasons for encouraging the idea that it's still possible to negotiate a settlement based on the two-state model, even though most informed observers regard it as highly implausible given the changes that have taken place during the period of occupation and given the outlook of the Netanyahu government," he said, making clear he was among the sceptics.
Even entering negotiations, he said, is seen as a "betrayal" by Israeli political factions and parties that are to the right of the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"A few years ago it would be hard to imagine that there was something to the right of Netanyahu. But gradually this drift to the right has created a whole new sense of the political debate within Israel," Falk said. "And there is a strong internal Israeli opposition to any sense that the Palestinian people in any diminished way deserve a state of their own."
Falk, an American law professor who is Jewish, has come to the end of a six-year term in the independent post and the U.N. Human Rights Council is expected to name a successor soon.
He has long drawn controversy in Israel, in 2008 comparing Israeli military strikes against Hamas in Gaza - during which 1,400 Palestinians were killed and there was widespread destruction in densely populated areas - to those of the Nazis.
Last June he said critics who called him anti-Semitic sought to divert attention from his scrutiny of Israeli policies.
He is to address the U.N. Human Rights Council on Monday, but it was not clear whether Israeli delegates would attend due to an ongoing strike by Israeli foreign ministry staff.
(Editing by Mark Heinrich)
@ Ron
The crime is a crime whoever committed eith Israelis or Nazis!
Examples of ethnic cleansing understood in this sense include the Armenian massacres by the Turks in 1915–16, the Nazi Holocaust of European Jews in the 1930s and ’40s, the expulsion of Germans from Polish and Czechoslovak territory after World War II ...
Ethnic cleansing as a concept has generated considerable controversy. Some critics see little difference between it and genocide. Defenders, however, argue that ethnic cleansing and genocide can be distinguished by the intent of the perpetrator: whereas the primary goal of genocide is the destruction of an ethnic, racial, or religious group, the main purpose of ethnic cleansing is the establishment of ethnically homogeneous lands, which may be achieved by any of a number of methods including genocide.
To read more please check Encyclopedia of Britannica
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/194242/ethnic-cleansing
@ Ron
The crime is a crime whoever committed eith Israelis or Nazis!
Examples of ethnic cleansing understood in this sense include the Armenian massacres by the Turks in 1915–16, the Nazi Holocaust of European Jews in the 1930s and ’40s, the expulsion of Germans from Polish and Czechoslovak territory after World War II ...
Ethnic cleansing as a concept has generated considerable controversy. Some critics see little difference between it and genocide. Defenders, however, argue that ethnic cleansing and genocide can be distinguished by the intent of the perpetrator: whereas the primary goal of genocide is the destruction of an ethnic, racial, or religious group, the main purpose of ethnic cleansing is the establishment of ethnically homogeneous lands, which may be achieved by any of a number of methods including genocide.
To read more please check Encyclopedia of Britannica
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/194242/ethnic-cleansing
@aldo:
the report you quote was written by richard falk (wikipedia entry), who is so extreme in his views of israel that he was one of the only people ever called out as being biased against israel by the un general director, the british government and the us government.
the same falk called iran ayatolla's "moderate" people and supported kadafi's rule. so his report is really a personal biased opinion.
@aldo2:
when you compare israel to the nazis, i think you lose your right to claim a fair and smart discussion.
@ron:
when you say palestinians are "less than human", i think you also lose your right to claim a fair and smart discussion.
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it's a little sad that such an importnt topic is being led here by 2 people, 1 who thinks israelis are nazis, the other who thinks palestinians are less than human. maybe this is why this discussion has been going on for years on the ground as well.
@aldo:
the report you quote was written by richard falk (wikipedia entry), who is so extreme in his views of israel that he was one of the only people ever called out as being biased against israel by the un general director, the british government and the us government.
the same falk called iran ayatolla's "moderate" people and supported kadafi's rule. so his report is really a personal biased opinion.
@aldo2:
when you compare israel to the nazis, i think you lose your right to claim a fair and smart discussion.
@ron:
when you say palestinians are "less than human", i think you also lose your right to claim a fair and smart discussion.
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it's a little sad that such an importnt topic is being led here by 2 people, 1 who thinks israelis are nazis, the other who thinks palestinians are less than human. maybe this is why this discussion has been going on for years on the ground as well.
@ Mark
Thank you for your comments!
I condemn the Israeli occupation of Palestine and I'm against the occupation of my country. I support the bycotte of the Israeli products hopefully Israelis open the eyes and change their direction toward one democratic state based on equal rights for the citizens of the state.
Tell me what's wrong in this?
Do you accept it?
Does Ron accept it?
Do the Israelis who read this accept it?
@ Mark
Thank you for your comments!
I condemn the Israeli occupation of Palestine and I'm against the occupation of my country. I support the bycotte of the Israeli products hopefully Israelis open the eyes and change their direction toward one democratic state based on equal rights for the citizens of the state.
Tell me what's wrong in this?
Do you accept it?
Does Ron accept it?
Do the Israelis who read this accept it?
@aldo:
you're changing your tune. before you said israelis are nazis, now you just condemn their action. big difference.
anyway, ofcourse i respect your right to condemn what you think needs condeming.
BUT keep in mind:
- your solution of 1 state for jews and arabs is not supported by palestinians. they want their own land without the israelis there. same applies to many israelies.
- i have no dount israelies also condemn the fact that the government of gaza, voted in by the citizens of gaza, openly states it will not stop terrorism until israel doesn't exist. mayby you can respect that as well.
@aldo:
you're changing your tune. before you said israelis are nazis, now you just condemn their action. big difference.
anyway, ofcourse i respect your right to condemn what you think needs condeming.
BUT keep in mind:
- your solution of 1 state for jews and arabs is not supported by palestinians. they want their own land without the israelis there. same applies to many israelies.
- i have no dount israelies also condemn the fact that the government of gaza, voted in by the citizens of gaza, openly states it will not stop terrorism until israel doesn't exist. mayby you can respect that as well.
A Former U.S: president opposes the Israeli occupation of Palestine!
Jimmy Carter: I oppose Israel boycott, but settlement goods must be labeled
Jimmy Carter doesn't support the "boycott, divest, sanction" campaign against Israel, he told the Associated Press. However, the former U.S. president – who has been outspoken in his opposition to the occupation – also thinks that products made beyond the Green Line should be clearly labeled as such, not...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.581718
A Former U.S: president opposes the Israeli occupation of Palestine!
Jimmy Carter: I oppose Israel boycott, but settlement goods must be labeled
Jimmy Carter doesn't support the "boycott, divest, sanction" campaign against Israel, he told the Associated Press. However, the former U.S. president – who has been outspoken in his opposition to the occupation – also thinks that products made beyond the Green Line should be clearly labeled as such, not...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.581718
I didn't change tune! You read what you wanted to read from a Palestinian!
My sentence was: The crime is a crime whoever committed either Israelis or Nazis!
Do you agree that a crime should be condemned regardless of the criminal name or origin?
To make it clear: The crime is a crime whoever committed it either Israelis or Palestinians or Nazis.
I didn't change tune! You read what you wanted to read from a Palestinian!
My sentence was: The crime is a crime whoever committed either Israelis or Nazis!
Do you agree that a crime should be condemned regardless of the criminal name or origin?
To make it clear: The crime is a crime whoever committed it either Israelis or Palestinians or Nazis.
@aldo:
i can't have a real debate with you because you lie and you ignore questions.
you wrote "Israel violates the rights of the Palestinians as the Nazis violated the rights of the Jews", and then you deny you compared israel to nazis.
you ask if i can understand you, and i reply. i ask if you can understand isralis who face a palestinian government that declared its objective is the death of israel, and you refuse to reply.
you don't really want a discussion about different facts and views, you want to cry about how bad israel is and how good palestinians are, and you want to hear other people say you are right. that's propaganda, not debate.
@aldo:
i can't have a real debate with you because you lie and you ignore questions.
you wrote "Israel violates the rights of the Palestinians as the Nazis violated the rights of the Jews", and then you deny you compared israel to nazis.
you ask if i can understand you, and i reply. i ask if you can understand isralis who face a palestinian government that declared its objective is the death of israel, and you refuse to reply.
you don't really want a discussion about different facts and views, you want to cry about how bad israel is and how good palestinians are, and you want to hear other people say you are right. that's propaganda, not debate.
Mark, I would try to read more careful and stop making false claims. In post 270 you wrote:
"before you said israelis are nazis"
I read what Aldo wrote, but did not find such claim. Please quote him, if I am wrong.
In post 272 you write: "then you deny you compared israel to nazis"
Again, I have not seen Aldo L making such claim. Please quote him, if I am wrong.
Plus, the internet (and world) would be much a better place, if everyone comparing X to Hitler or the Nazis would have first to pay USD 100.00 to the ICRC.
Mark, I would try to read more careful and stop making false claims. In post 270 you wrote:
"before you said israelis are nazis"
I read what Aldo wrote, but did not find such claim. Please quote him, if I am wrong.
In post 272 you write: "then you deny you compared israel to nazis"
Again, I have not seen Aldo L making such claim. Please quote him, if I am wrong.
Plus, the internet (and world) would be much a better place, if everyone comparing X to Hitler or the Nazis would have first to pay USD 100.00 to the ICRC.
@ Mark
I don't accuse someone of lie just because I don't agree with him. Personally I believe that I might be wrong and you are right and I might be right and you are wrong but I wouldn't allow myself to insult you or accusing you of lie. I might understand you wrong and I should ask you to explain and I will accept your explaination.
I'm proud of my values which are based on being human only and only human without any consideration of religion in which I don't believe or ethnic origin which has no importance for me. I respect all people whatever they believe or do as long as their actions don't harm any body.
I don't ask you to be as me because I respect your freedom to be as you wish but I will ask you to use correct words when you talk with others.
@ Mark
I don't accuse someone of lie just because I don't agree with him. Personally I believe that I might be wrong and you are right and I might be right and you are wrong but I wouldn't allow myself to insult you or accusing you of lie. I might understand you wrong and I should ask you to explain and I will accept your explaination.
I'm proud of my values which are based on being human only and only human without any consideration of religion in which I don't believe or ethnic origin which has no importance for me. I respect all people whatever they believe or do as long as their actions don't harm any body.
I don't ask you to be as me because I respect your freedom to be as you wish but I will ask you to use correct words when you talk with others.
The American state department reacts to the racial discrimination of the state of Israel.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140325-it-is-israel-s-fault-that-israelis-need-us-visas
State Department says scrutiny of US citizens of Arab or Muslim backgrounds who arrive in Israel, is to blame
The American state department reacts to the racial discrimination of the state of Israel.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140325-it-is-israel-s-fault-that-israelis-need-us-visas
State Department says scrutiny of US citizens of Arab or Muslim backgrounds who arrive in Israel, is to blame
'Israeli blockade of Gaza longer than Leningrad'
UN refugee agency chief says Israeli blockade longest in modern times, urges Israel and Egypt to lift curbs
The outgoing commissioner general of the UN's refugee agency says Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip is the longest in modern history.
Filippo Grandi, commissioner-general of the United Nations Relief and Works Organization (UNRWA), also urged both Israel and Egypt to lift their restrictions on the movement of people and goods into and out of the besieged Palestinian enclave.
"In the Gaza Strip, home to 1.5 million people of whom over one million are refugees, the blockade imposed by Israel is by now longer than the historic blockades of the last century: Leningrad, Berlin, Sarajevo," Grandi told an audience at Bir Zeit University in the West Bank last week.
Following the recent closure of the border with Egypt and almost all of the tunnels underneath it, and with the continuing blockade by Israel’s navy of the Strip’s Mediterranean waters, Gaza’s access to the world is cut off in every direction, said Grandi.
'Israeli blockade of Gaza longer than Leningrad'
UN refugee agency chief says Israeli blockade longest in modern times, urges Israel and Egypt to lift curbs
The outgoing commissioner general of the UN's refugee agency says Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip is the longest in modern history.
Filippo Grandi, commissioner-general of the United Nations Relief and Works Organization (UNRWA), also urged both Israel and Egypt to lift their restrictions on the movement of people and goods into and out of the besieged Palestinian enclave.
"In the Gaza Strip, home to 1.5 million people of whom over one million are refugees, the blockade imposed by Israel is by now longer than the historic blockades of the last century: Leningrad, Berlin, Sarajevo," Grandi told an audience at Bir Zeit University in the West Bank last week.
Following the recent closure of the border with Egypt and almost all of the tunnels underneath it, and with the continuing blockade by Israel’s navy of the Strip’s Mediterranean waters, Gaza’s access to the world is cut off in every direction, said Grandi.
It's very interesting to read that Israeli and Palestinian youths want to be good neighbours and not fighting each other!
Fifty high school students write to PM Netanyahu about their refusal to serve in the army on 8 March 2014
Please find below the text of this letter 50 Young Israelis Send a Letter to Netanyahu: “We Refuse to Serve in the Occupation Army” Yesterday morning, dozens of young Israelis sent Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, a letter in which they declared their refusal to serve in the Israeli military[*]. This is the largest group of Israeli draft refusers in the history of Israel; it is the first act of its kind in five years, but follows a long tradition of communal conscientious objection. The current Israeli government is trying to widen the army draft to all ethnic groups within Israel against their will and young people from all over the country are reacting by refusing to serve in the Israeli Army. The purpose of this statement is to protest against the ongoing occupation of Palestinian territories where, according to the signatories “human rights are violated and acts defined by international law as war-crimes are perpetuated on a daily basis.” They are also protesting the way in which the army influences civilian life, deepening the sexism, militarism, violence, inequality and racism present in Israeli society. Mandy Cartner, a 16 years old signatory from Tel Aviv said: "The actions of the army distance us from finding a solution and from creating peace, justice and security. My refusal is a way of expressing my opposition to the wrongs done daily in our name and through us." Shaked Harari, a 17 years old signatory from Bat Yam, said: "The army serves the people in power and not the civilians, who are only a tool. My friends and I refuse to be cannon fodder." Roni Lax, a 20 year old signatory from Bnei Brak: “We stand in solidarity with the ultra-orthodox youth and the Arab youth – Christian and Druze, some of whom are currently in an army prison.”
Contact Info: Dafna Rothstein Landman – 0522470123 – [email protected] Itamar Bellaiche - 0547484248 - [email protected]
The following is their statement:
"We, citizens of the state of Israel, are designated for army service. We appeal to the readers of this letter to set aside what has always been taken for granted and to reconsider the implications of military service. We, the undersigned, intend to refuse to serve in the army and the main reason for this refusal is our opposition to the military occupation of Palestinian territories. Palestinians in the occupied territories live under Israeli rule though they did not choose to do so, and have no legal recourse to influence this regime or its decision-making processes. This is neither egalitarian nor just. In these territories, human rights are violated, and acts defined under international law as war-crimes are perpetuated on a daily basis. These include assassinations (extrajudicial killings), the construction of settlements on occupied lands, administrative detentions, torture, collective punishment and the unequal allocation of resources such as electricity and water. Any form of military service reinforces this status quo, and, therefore, in accordance with our conscience, we cannot take part in a system that perpetrates the above-mentioned acts. The problem with the army does not begin or end with the damage it inflicts on Palestinian society. It infiltrates everyday life in Israeli society too: it shapes the educational system, our workforce opportunities, while fostering racism, violence and ethnic, national and gender-based discrimination. We refuse to aid the military system in promoting and perpetuating male dominance. In our opinion, the army encourages a violent and militaristic masculine ideal whereby 'might is right'. This ideal is detrimental to everyone, especially those who do not fit it. Furthermore, we oppose the oppressive, discriminatory, and heavily gendered power structures within the army itself. We refuse to forsake our principles as a condition to being accepted in our society. We have thought about our refusal deeply and we stand by our decisions. We appeal to our peers, to those currently serving in the army and/or reserve duty, and to the Israeli public at large, to reconsider their stance on the occupation, the army, and the role of the military in civil society. We believe in the power and ability of civilians to change reality for the better by creating a more fair and just society. Our refusal expresses this belief.
For details: Dafna Rothstein Landman – 0522470123 – [email protected] Itamar Bellaiche - 0547484248 - [email protected]
It's very interesting to read that Israeli and Palestinian youths want to be good neighbours and not fighting each other!
Fifty high school students write to PM Netanyahu about their refusal to serve in the army on 8 March 2014
Please find below the text of this letter 50 Young Israelis Send a Letter to Netanyahu: “We Refuse to Serve in the Occupation Army” Yesterday morning, dozens of young Israelis sent Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, a letter in which they declared their refusal to serve in the Israeli military[*]. This is the largest group of Israeli draft refusers in the history of Israel; it is the first act of its kind in five years, but follows a long tradition of communal conscientious objection. The current Israeli government is trying to widen the army draft to all ethnic groups within Israel against their will and young people from all over the country are reacting by refusing to serve in the Israeli Army. The purpose of this statement is to protest against the ongoing occupation of Palestinian territories where, according to the signatories “human rights are violated and acts defined by international law as war-crimes are perpetuated on a daily basis.” They are also protesting the way in which the army influences civilian life, deepening the sexism, militarism, violence, inequality and racism present in Israeli society. Mandy Cartner, a 16 years old signatory from Tel Aviv said: "The actions of the army distance us from finding a solution and from creating peace, justice and security. My refusal is a way of expressing my opposition to the wrongs done daily in our name and through us." Shaked Harari, a 17 years old signatory from Bat Yam, said: "The army serves the people in power and not the civilians, who are only a tool. My friends and I refuse to be cannon fodder." Roni Lax, a 20 year old signatory from Bnei Brak: “We stand in solidarity with the ultra-orthodox youth and the Arab youth – Christian and Druze, some of whom are currently in an army prison.”
Contact Info: Dafna Rothstein Landman – 0522470123 – [email protected] Itamar Bellaiche - 0547484248 - [email protected]
The following is their statement:
"We, citizens of the state of Israel, are designated for army service. We appeal to the readers of this letter to set aside what has always been taken for granted and to reconsider the implications of military service. We, the undersigned, intend to refuse to serve in the army and the main reason for this refusal is our opposition to the military occupation of Palestinian territories. Palestinians in the occupied territories live under Israeli rule though they did not choose to do so, and have no legal recourse to influence this regime or its decision-making processes. This is neither egalitarian nor just. In these territories, human rights are violated, and acts defined under international law as war-crimes are perpetuated on a daily basis. These include assassinations (extrajudicial killings), the construction of settlements on occupied lands, administrative detentions, torture, collective punishment and the unequal allocation of resources such as electricity and water. Any form of military service reinforces this status quo, and, therefore, in accordance with our conscience, we cannot take part in a system that perpetrates the above-mentioned acts. The problem with the army does not begin or end with the damage it inflicts on Palestinian society. It infiltrates everyday life in Israeli society too: it shapes the educational system, our workforce opportunities, while fostering racism, violence and ethnic, national and gender-based discrimination. We refuse to aid the military system in promoting and perpetuating male dominance. In our opinion, the army encourages a violent and militaristic masculine ideal whereby 'might is right'. This ideal is detrimental to everyone, especially those who do not fit it. Furthermore, we oppose the oppressive, discriminatory, and heavily gendered power structures within the army itself. We refuse to forsake our principles as a condition to being accepted in our society. We have thought about our refusal deeply and we stand by our decisions. We appeal to our peers, to those currently serving in the army and/or reserve duty, and to the Israeli public at large, to reconsider their stance on the occupation, the army, and the role of the military in civil society. We believe in the power and ability of civilians to change reality for the better by creating a more fair and just society. Our refusal expresses this belief.
For details: Dafna Rothstein Landman – 0522470123 – [email protected] Itamar Bellaiche - 0547484248 - [email protected]
Olympian Nader al-Masri is banned from participate in the Bethlehem marathon
Olympian Nader al-Masri is banned from participate in the Bethlehem marathon
A Palestinian Olympian from the Gaza Strip said Thursday he had asked Israel's Supreme Court to overturn a ban on him passing through Israel to join a marathon in the occupied West Bank.
Nader al-Masri, who was prevented from participating in the first Bethlehem marathon in 2013, again sought permission to transit the Erez crossing from Gaza to Israel this year and was again refused, he told AFP.
“I applied for a permit to go to Bethlehem through the Erez crossing to take part in the marathon taking place on April 11, but unfortunately I was informed last Friday that Israel rejected my application," he said.
Gisha, an Israeli watchdog that works to facilitate Palestinian freedom of movement, said it took up Masri's case.
"Our petition to the Supreme Court... was served this morning,"
The spokesman for the Israeli defense ministry unit responsible for coordinating civilian affairs with the Palestinians could not immediately be reached for comment, but Gisha published the unit's written response to its application on Masri's behalf.
"At the present time, in view of the current diplomatic-security situation, the entry of residents of the Gaza Strip to Israel is not allowed except in exceptional humanitarian cases, with emphasis on urgent medical cases," it said.
Gisha says Israeli rules do allow Gazans to attend West Bank "special events sponsored by the (western-backed) Palestinian Authority."
Olympian Nader al-Masri is banned from participate in the Bethlehem marathon
Olympian Nader al-Masri is banned from participate in the Bethlehem marathon
A Palestinian Olympian from the Gaza Strip said Thursday he had asked Israel's Supreme Court to overturn a ban on him passing through Israel to join a marathon in the occupied West Bank.
Nader al-Masri, who was prevented from participating in the first Bethlehem marathon in 2013, again sought permission to transit the Erez crossing from Gaza to Israel this year and was again refused, he told AFP.
“I applied for a permit to go to Bethlehem through the Erez crossing to take part in the marathon taking place on April 11, but unfortunately I was informed last Friday that Israel rejected my application," he said.
Gisha, an Israeli watchdog that works to facilitate Palestinian freedom of movement, said it took up Masri's case.
"Our petition to the Supreme Court... was served this morning,"
The spokesman for the Israeli defense ministry unit responsible for coordinating civilian affairs with the Palestinians could not immediately be reached for comment, but Gisha published the unit's written response to its application on Masri's behalf.
"At the present time, in view of the current diplomatic-security situation, the entry of residents of the Gaza Strip to Israel is not allowed except in exceptional humanitarian cases, with emphasis on urgent medical cases," it said.
Gisha says Israeli rules do allow Gazans to attend West Bank "special events sponsored by the (western-backed) Palestinian Authority."
@Aldo,
I have been in a post in Gaza, so a cow chained to a fence near a small slaughter house, children at the ages of 5-12 came to her, stabbed her in both eyes, beat her till she fell with a stick and laughed when she cried, her eyes had no value and anyway she will be dead in an hour and that was good fun.
I saw how Palestinians treat eachother, how they torture suspects for collaborating with Israel, the scars in their eyes from dropped melted plastics, the burns scars on their backs, and their heads when their ears used to be.
I saw how Palesitinas attack Israeli civilians, kill babies because they are Jews and Israelies, and I am not talking about suicide attackes or "forgotten" bomb in a bus, but a break-in to private houses and slaugtering the kids and parents with knives while they were sleeping.
Then, they come back as heros to their village, get caught becase their brothers will snitch on them, and in jail will get their university degree (from an Israeli university) and claim for rights as freedom fighters, is that fighting for freedom? is that human?
I still have one question Aldo, why does Israel need to treat the "Palesitinains" in her hospitals, you have some of your own, you can send them to Jordan or Egypt if necessary, the standards there are by far better than primitive Israel, and how for gods sake, you expect your enemy to treat you?? and last question, do you want to share in this forum what happened to Israelies that by mistake got into the West Bank or into Gaza, how they were burned life in their cars, or stoned to death, or lynched? how come you feel safe to get into Israeli territory for a medical treatment or for work?
@Aldo,
I have been in a post in Gaza, so a cow chained to a fence near a small slaughter house, children at the ages of 5-12 came to her, stabbed her in both eyes, beat her till she fell with a stick and laughed when she cried, her eyes had no value and anyway she will be dead in an hour and that was good fun.
I saw how Palestinians treat eachother, how they torture suspects for collaborating with Israel, the scars in their eyes from dropped melted plastics, the burns scars on their backs, and their heads when their ears used to be.
I saw how Palesitinas attack Israeli civilians, kill babies because they are Jews and Israelies, and I am not talking about suicide attackes or "forgotten" bomb in a bus, but a break-in to private houses and slaugtering the kids and parents with knives while they were sleeping.
Then, they come back as heros to their village, get caught becase their brothers will snitch on them, and in jail will get their university degree (from an Israeli university) and claim for rights as freedom fighters, is that fighting for freedom? is that human?
I still have one question Aldo, why does Israel need to treat the "Palesitinains" in her hospitals, you have some of your own, you can send them to Jordan or Egypt if necessary, the standards there are by far better than primitive Israel, and how for gods sake, you expect your enemy to treat you?? and last question, do you want to share in this forum what happened to Israelies that by mistake got into the West Bank or into Gaza, how they were burned life in their cars, or stoned to death, or lynched? how come you feel safe to get into Israeli territory for a medical treatment or for work?
Cruelty to the weak (humans or animals) shows the ugly side of humanity, you can debate that it is human, I debate that it is a society without moral values.
There are many more proofs than these, but it is enough:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
Israelies never-ever have targeted deliberately civilians or children with weapons, all civilians casualties are due to the Arab mentality and strategy to hide between civilians, hide weapons, missiles and explosives in civil neighbourhoods, hospitals and schools, and even if the Israeli army wanted to do a chirurgical operation, it is not always possible, and they can also make mistakes.
More on the Palestinains kids, as you will bring it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlbHyRK5Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pw8SO0GOJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsZXCLD1Lc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zowXO8md4K8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJtXlimiGs
The American red necks aside from their other stereotypes, have strong sense of nationalization for their country, and they are the ones that have been defending it.
You are right, there is no changing "me", I have seen a lot, understand even more, I speak fluent Arabic in few dialects, been there enough with them, among them, and there is no freakin way that I will have my back towards any of them.
Besides of biased media, what do you have to show for as for knowledge about politics, either there or elsewhere?
Cruelty to the weak (humans or animals) shows the ugly side of humanity, you can debate that it is human, I debate that it is a society without moral values.
There are many more proofs than these, but it is enough:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
Israelies never-ever have targeted deliberately civilians or children with weapons, all civilians casualties are due to the Arab mentality and strategy to hide between civilians, hide weapons, missiles and explosives in civil neighbourhoods, hospitals and schools, and even if the Israeli army wanted to do a chirurgical operation, it is not always possible, and they can also make mistakes.
More on the Palestinains kids, as you will bring it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlbHyRK5Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pw8SO0GOJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsZXCLD1Lc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zowXO8md4K8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJtXlimiGs
The American red necks aside from their other stereotypes, have strong sense of nationalization for their country, and they are the ones that have been defending it.
You are right, there is no changing "me", I have seen a lot, understand even more, I speak fluent Arabic in few dialects, been there enough with them, among them, and there is no freakin way that I will have my back towards any of them.
Besides of biased media, what do you have to show for as for knowledge about politics, either there or elsewhere?
I magine that it was your family, or people that you know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack
You might unerstand better now, with whom Israel is dealing with.
I magine that it was your family, or people that you know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack
You might unerstand better now, with whom Israel is dealing with.
@ Ron
Please don't mix between individual acts and a policy of a state for more than 60 years. The individual acts are condemned and noreasons to justify them. It happens that parents kill their own children, it doesn't mean that all the parents are killers of their children or the people of the same nationality are killers.
Israel is a state and its policy is the ethnic cleansing through destroying houses of the Palestininans, confescating the lands of the Palestinians, preventing the Palestinians to return to their villages and towns in Palestine. Israel uses the killing of the Palestinians on daily basis either by direct shooting or by leaving them dying by preventing medical treatment or having the normal food supply. Gaza, is a good example of the Israeli brutal occupation, Palestinian vicitms are killed daily by the occupation, Palestinian patients die daily because lack of treatment. Israel is installing hate in the hearts of the Palestinian children.
You said that you were in Gaza for a post, I have no doubt that you were there with military unifrom to kill our youths instead of helping them.
@ Ron
Please don't mix between individual acts and a policy of a state for more than 60 years. The individual acts are condemned and noreasons to justify them. It happens that parents kill their own children, it doesn't mean that all the parents are killers of their children or the people of the same nationality are killers.
Israel is a state and its policy is the ethnic cleansing through destroying houses of the Palestininans, confescating the lands of the Palestinians, preventing the Palestinians to return to their villages and towns in Palestine. Israel uses the killing of the Palestinians on daily basis either by direct shooting or by leaving them dying by preventing medical treatment or having the normal food supply. Gaza, is a good example of the Israeli brutal occupation, Palestinian vicitms are killed daily by the occupation, Palestinian patients die daily because lack of treatment. Israel is installing hate in the hearts of the Palestinian children.
You said that you were in Gaza for a post, I have no doubt that you were there with military unifrom to kill our youths instead of helping them.
@ Ron
I believe that you don't know what the Israelis did because you don't want to admit that you know. It's horrible to be part of a brutal war machine and facing the truth. You try to defend the criminals because you are defending yourself before them.
I believe that it's human to do so but it's correctly human to defend the human values whatever the situation is or whoever the criminal.
I suggest you here some Israelis who decided after decades to defend the human values and confess of their crimes:
A retired Israeli brigadier general, Arieh Biroh, said in interviews that in October 1956, he and another officer killed 49 Egyptian prisoners of war in the Sinai Desert.
At the same time, an Israeli historian said that as many as 300 unarmed Egyptians were killed in both the 1967 war and in the war of 1956. Those reports led to other allegations and revelations.
Please check the names and bring to us the full story.
@ Ron
I believe that you don't know what the Israelis did because you don't want to admit that you know. It's horrible to be part of a brutal war machine and facing the truth. You try to defend the criminals because you are defending yourself before them.
I believe that it's human to do so but it's correctly human to defend the human values whatever the situation is or whoever the criminal.
I suggest you here some Israelis who decided after decades to defend the human values and confess of their crimes:
A retired Israeli brigadier general, Arieh Biroh, said in interviews that in October 1956, he and another officer killed 49 Egyptian prisoners of war in the Sinai Desert.
At the same time, an Israeli historian said that as many as 300 unarmed Egyptians were killed in both the 1967 war and in the war of 1956. Those reports led to other allegations and revelations.
Please check the names and bring to us the full story.
@ Ron
Please don't mix between individual acts and a policy of a state for more than 60 years. The individual acts are condemned and noreasons to justify them. It happens that parents kill their own children, it doesn't mean that all the parents are killers of their children or the people of the same nationality are killers.
Israel is a state and its policy is the ethnic cleansing through destroying houses of the Palestininans, confescating the lands of the Palestinians, preventing the Palestinians to return to their villages and towns in Palestine. Israel uses the killing of the Palestinians on daily basis either by direct shooting or by leaving them dying by preventing medical treatment or having the normal food supply. Gaza, is a good example of the Israeli brutal occupation, Palestinian vicitms are killed daily by the occupation, Palestinian patients die daily because lack of treatment. Israel is installing hate in the hearts of the Palestinian children.
You said that you were in Gaza for a post, I have no doubt that you were there with military unifrom to kill our youths instead of helping them.
Policy of states???
PLO - Did they have had a terrorism based policy? YES or NO?
HAMAS - Do they have a terrorism based policy? YES or NO?
There is no confusion here, they are the ones that lead the majority of the Palestinians and they acted and still acting as an orgnaized terror organization.
Why the hell the Palestinain ambassador has had explosives in his safe in Prague???, luckily it exploded there. Did you ever hear about another ambassy in the world that got exploded by a bomd that they have set up in the embassy? lol
Policy of states???
PLO - Did they have had a terrorism based policy? YES or NO?
HAMAS - Do they have a terrorism based policy? YES or NO?
There is no confusion here, they are the ones that lead the majority of the Palestinians and they acted and still acting as an orgnaized terror organization.
Why the hell the Palestinain ambassador has had explosives in his safe in Prague???, luckily it exploded there. Did you ever hear about another ambassy in the world that got exploded by a bomd that they have set up in the embassy? lol
Read the history very well to learn who brought the terrorism to Palestine.
Shamir was a leader of the Zionist terrorist group Lehi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir
Shamir ordered Bernadotte assassination to save Jerusalem for Jews
The cancer was imported to my country by those who have Zionist colonialist idology
Read the history very well to learn who brought the terrorism to Palestine.
Shamir was a leader of the Zionist terrorist group Lehi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir
Shamir ordered Bernadotte assassination to save Jerusalem for Jews
The cancer was imported to my country by those who have Zionist colonialist idology
August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.
November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.
January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.
January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.
March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.
April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.
November 25, 1940. In September, 1940, around 3,000 Jewish refugees from Vienna, Prague and Danzig were attempting to reach Palestine. In a convoy of four river steamers, they set sail down the Danube and reached the Romanian port of Tulcea where they transferred to three Greek cargo ships named Atlantic, Pacific and Milos. Conditions on board these three ships were horrendous, reminiscent of Japanese hell-ships later in the war. Eventually the ships reached Palestinian waters, but the British Colonial Office refused them permission to land. It was finally decided to deport the refugees to the island of Mauritius where a special camp was to be built. The three ships were then brought into Haifa harbour where the liner Patria was berthed. The refugees were then embarked on the Patria and as the last passengers from the Atlantic were coming on board, a tremendous explosion ripped the liner apart. The death toll amounted to 267 refugees killed. The explosion was the work of the Jewish underground army, the Haganah, who had meant only to damage the ship to prevent it sailing but had miscalculated the amount of explosives needed to disable the ship. Many say that this was no miscalculation and was deliberate murder of Jews by Jews, in an attempt to influence British immigration policy to Palestine.
The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel, in Dec. 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held for days, despite international condemnation.
In 1968, Israeli commandos blew up 13 civilian airliners at Beirut airport in Lebanon.
The first deliberate shooting down a civilian airliner was carried out by Israel, when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai, in Feb. 1973, on the direct orders of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, killing all 107 of its passengers and the entire French crew.
August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.
November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.
January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.
January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.
March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.
April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.
November 25, 1940. In September, 1940, around 3,000 Jewish refugees from Vienna, Prague and Danzig were attempting to reach Palestine. In a convoy of four river steamers, they set sail down the Danube and reached the Romanian port of Tulcea where they transferred to three Greek cargo ships named Atlantic, Pacific and Milos. Conditions on board these three ships were horrendous, reminiscent of Japanese hell-ships later in the war. Eventually the ships reached Palestinian waters, but the British Colonial Office refused them permission to land. It was finally decided to deport the refugees to the island of Mauritius where a special camp was to be built. The three ships were then brought into Haifa harbour where the liner Patria was berthed. The refugees were then embarked on the Patria and as the last passengers from the Atlantic were coming on board, a tremendous explosion ripped the liner apart. The death toll amounted to 267 refugees killed. The explosion was the work of the Jewish underground army, the Haganah, who had meant only to damage the ship to prevent it sailing but had miscalculated the amount of explosives needed to disable the ship. Many say that this was no miscalculation and was deliberate murder of Jews by Jews, in an attempt to influence British immigration policy to Palestine.
The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel, in Dec. 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held for days, despite international condemnation.
In 1968, Israeli commandos blew up 13 civilian airliners at Beirut airport in Lebanon.
The first deliberate shooting down a civilian airliner was carried out by Israel, when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai, in Feb. 1973, on the direct orders of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, killing all 107 of its passengers and the entire French crew.
http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm
Any Palestinian child knows the terrorism of the Israelis, when I was child we used to call them jews but fortunately when I grow up I relaised that there is a big difference between Israelis and Jews.
Jews are victims of a state use their faith for political colonial idelogical goals. Hamas is doing the same.
Any Palestinian child knows the terrorism of the Israelis, when I was child we used to call them jews but fortunately when I grow up I relaised that there is a big difference between Israelis and Jews.
Jews are victims of a state use their faith for political colonial idelogical goals. Hamas is doing the same.
Look at the following list to learn where those zionists cam from:
Look at the following list to learn where those zionists cam from:
Please read well the hiostory to see clearly the future:
- French Algeria lasted from 1830 to 1962
- Apartheid in South Africa began in colonial times under Dutch rule.Apartheid as an official policy was introduced following the general election of 1948. it ended in 1994.
The future in Palestine willn't be different!
Please read well the hiostory to see clearly the future:
- French Algeria lasted from 1830 to 1962
- Apartheid in South Africa began in colonial times under Dutch rule.Apartheid as an official policy was introduced following the general election of 1948. it ended in 1994.
The future in Palestine willn't be different!
Please read well the hiostory to see clearly the future:
- French Algeria lasted from 1830 to 1962
- Apartheid in South Africa began in colonial times under Dutch rule.Apartheid as an official policy was introduced following the general election of 1948. it ended in 1994.
The future in Palestine willn't be different!
You know Aldo, I don't mind that Gaza strip and the West bank will be completely autonomous, as long as you deal with your own issues there, you will be closed behind walls/fences without the right to enter Israeli land, you can get your own medical care, economy and legal system, and live happily as in S. Africa that has the highest rate of rapes per capita in the world, where no one ever stops at red light because he will be robbed,killed and if lucky he will just loose his car, and maybe Algeria where the personal safety of its civilians is just a little bit worse than of the "ethnic cleansing" that Israeli is doing to the Palestinians.
BUT, if god forbiden any smart ass from the FREE Palestine will fire a rocket to Israel, you (Palestine) will bring him to true justice or Israel will take care of that, from remote and with accurate response.
Do we have a deal?
You know Aldo, I don't mind that Gaza strip and the West bank will be completely autonomous, as long as you deal with your own issues there, you will be closed behind walls/fences without the right to enter Israeli land, you can get your own medical care, economy and legal system, and live happily as in S. Africa that has the highest rate of rapes per capita in the world, where no one ever stops at red light because he will be robbed,killed and if lucky he will just loose his car, and maybe Algeria where the personal safety of its civilians is just a little bit worse than of the "ethnic cleansing" that Israeli is doing to the Palestinians.
BUT, if god forbiden any smart ass from the FREE Palestine will fire a rocket to Israel, you (Palestine) will bring him to true justice or Israel will take care of that, from remote and with accurate response.
Do we have a deal?
i can't believe this "discussion" is still going on. in the red corner, aldo who thinks israelis are nazis. in the blue corner, ron who thinks palestinians are sub human. and the ref is shaun who decided the winner and loser long before the boxing match began.
kids, you're wasting your time and energy. aldo will never be able to see the israeli side, ron will never be able to see the palestinian side.
i'm out of here, hope you guys will move on to better things.
i can't believe this "discussion" is still going on. in the red corner, aldo who thinks israelis are nazis. in the blue corner, ron who thinks palestinians are sub human. and the ref is shaun who decided the winner and loser long before the boxing match began.
kids, you're wasting your time and energy. aldo will never be able to see the israeli side, ron will never be able to see the palestinian side.
i'm out of here, hope you guys will move on to better things.
Look at this to understand why you should bycotte Israel.
Group filed a petition asking Israeli authorities to reduce travel and security restrictions for celebrations
Palestinian Christians have a filed a petition asking Israeli authorities to reduce travel and security restrictions for Easter celebrations, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on Wednesday. The petition - currently awaiting a decision from Israel's High Court of Justice - asks that worshipers be allowed to access holy sites in East Jerusalem on Holy Saturday, which is celebrated this year on April 19.
Look at this to understand why you should bycotte Israel.
Group filed a petition asking Israeli authorities to reduce travel and security restrictions for celebrations
Palestinian Christians have a filed a petition asking Israeli authorities to reduce travel and security restrictions for Easter celebrations, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on Wednesday. The petition - currently awaiting a decision from Israel's High Court of Justice - asks that worshipers be allowed to access holy sites in East Jerusalem on Holy Saturday, which is celebrated this year on April 19.
Happy Easter!
When you wish Happy Easter to your family and friends, Please remember that Palestinians, Christians, Muslims and Palestinian Jews are victims of the Israeli racist policy.
Palestinians have to fight to get access to their holly places for worship.
Palestinians have to fight to get food.
Palestinians have to fight to get access to their schools.
Palestinians have to fight to get a recognition of their rights.
Palestinians should have their rights in food, education, travel, worship and to live in peace and dignity in their country Palestine which exists before David and Goliath.
Happy Easter!
When you wish Happy Easter to your family and friends, Please remember that Palestinians, Christians, Muslims and Palestinian Jews are victims of the Israeli racist policy.
Palestinians have to fight to get access to their holly places for worship.
Palestinians have to fight to get food.
Palestinians have to fight to get access to their schools.
Palestinians have to fight to get a recognition of their rights.
Palestinians should have their rights in food, education, travel, worship and to live in peace and dignity in their country Palestine which exists before David and Goliath.
“The disputed territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have been administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA)-and recently, in part, by Hamas. As a result of the Oslo peace process, the Palestinians were able to establish their own quasi-government. Under this regime the Christian Arabs in these territories have been victims of frequent human rights abuses including intimidation, beatings, land theft, firebombing of churches and other Christian institutions, denial of employment, economic boycott, torture, kidnapping, forced marriage, sexual harassment, and extortion.
“Muslims who have converted to Christianity are the ones most in danger. They are often left defenseless against cruelty by Muslim fundamentalists. PA and Hamas officials are directly responsible for many of the human rights violations. Christian Arabs also fall victim to the chaos and anarchy that typifies PA rule.”
- See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/palestinian-crimes-against-christian-arabs-and-their-manipulation-against-israel/#sthash.SsY13v0k.dpuf
“The disputed territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have been administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA)-and recently, in part, by Hamas. As a result of the Oslo peace process, the Palestinians were able to establish their own quasi-government. Under this regime the Christian Arabs in these territories have been victims of frequent human rights abuses including intimidation, beatings, land theft, firebombing of churches and other Christian institutions, denial of employment, economic boycott, torture, kidnapping, forced marriage, sexual harassment, and extortion.
“Muslims who have converted to Christianity are the ones most in danger. They are often left defenseless against cruelty by Muslim fundamentalists. PA and Hamas officials are directly responsible for many of the human rights violations. Christian Arabs also fall victim to the chaos and anarchy that typifies PA rule.”
- See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/palestinian-crimes-against-christian-arabs-and-their-manipulation-against-israel/#sthash.SsY13v0k.dpuf
“The disputed territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have been administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA)-and recently, in part, by Hamas. As a result of the Oslo peace process, the Palestinians were able to establish their own quasi-government. Under this regime the Christian Arabs in these territories have been victims of frequent human rights abuses including intimidation, beatings, land theft, firebombing of churches and other Christian institutions, denial of employment, economic boycott, torture, kidnapping, forced marriage, sexual harassment, and extortion.
“Muslims who have converted to Christianity are the ones most in danger. They are often left defenseless against cruelty by Muslim fundamentalists. PA and Hamas officials are directly responsible for many of the human rights violations. Christian Arabs also fall victim to the chaos and anarchy that typifies PA rule.”
- See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/palestinian-crimes-against-christian-arabs-and-their-manipulation-against-israel/#sthash.SsY13v0k.dpuf
@ Ron D.
I see that you don't the Palestinian society and the Palestinian people.
Christians in the country of Jesus are Palestinians as any other Palestinian either Muslim or Jewish or any other faith. The Palestinian christians have defended Palestine with their brothers agianst the invasions of Palestine since the existence of the humanity. We kicked out the Crusaders, the French with Napoleon, the Othman empire and we will kick who occupy our land whoever is!
Some of the Palestinian Christian figures:
1- Edward Said
Edward Wadie Said (Arabic pronunciation: [wædiːʕ sæʕiːd]; Arabic: إدوارد وديع سعيد, Idwārd Wadīʿ Saʿīd; 1 November 1935 – 25 September 2003) was a professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia University, a literary theorist, and a public intellectual who was a founding figure of the critical-theory field of Post-colonialism. Born a Palestinian Arab in the city of Jerusalem in Mandatory Palestine (1920–48), he was an American citizen through his father.[3] Said was an advocate for the political and the human rights of the Palestinian people and has been described by the journalist Robert Fisk as their most powerful voice.[4]
2- Hanan Ashrawi
Hanan Daoud Khalil Ashrawi (Arabic: حنان داوود خليل عشراوي ; born October 8, 1946) is a Palestinian legislator, activist, and scholar. She was a protégé and later colleague and close friend of Edward Said. Ashrawi was an important leader during the First Intifada, served as the official spokesperson for the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace process, and has been elected numerous times to the Palestinian Legislative Council. Ashrawi is a member of Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's Third Way party.[1] She is the first woman elected to the Palestinian National Council.[2]
Ashrawi serves on the Advisory Board of several international and local organizations including the World Bank Middle East and North Africa (MENA), United Nations Research Institute for Social Development (UNRISD) and the International Human Rights Council.[3]
She received her bachelor's and master's degrees in literature in the Department of English at the American University of Beirut. Ashrawi also has a Ph.D. in Medieval and Comparative Literature from the University of Virginia.
3- Azmi Bishara
Azmi Bishara ( listen (help·info) Arabic: عزمي بشارة listen (help·info), Hebrew: עזמי בשארה listen (help·info), born 22 July 1956 in Nazareth, Israel), a former member of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament and founder of the Balad Party, is a Palestinian intellectual, academic, politician, and writer.[1]
4- Emil Habibi
Imil (Emile) Shukri Habibi (Arabic: إميل حبيبي, Hebrew: אמיל חביבי, 28 January 1922 – 2 May 1996) was a Palestinian writer of Arabic expression and a communist politician, son of a Christian family.
Habibi's work, harshly critical of Israel, has nonetheless been coopted into Israeli cultural streams and, in 2005, he was voted the 143rd-greatest Israeli of all time, in a poll by the Israeli news website Ynet to determine whom the general public considered the 200 Greatest Israelis.[1] Most Palestinians would reject his labelling as an 'Israeli' author.
5- Riyad Maleki
Riyad Al-Maliki (Arabic: رياض المالكي) is former Minister of Information, Government Spokesperson, and Foreign Affairs Minister of the Palestinian National Authority in its 12th Government, and resumed office as Foreign Affairs Minister in the current 13th Government.
Al-Maliki was born in 1955 and earned the degree of Civil Engineer by Pontifical Xavierian University in Colombia in 1978 [1] [2]and a PhD in Civil Engineering at the American University.[3]
6- Toufiq Ziyad
Tawfiq Ziad (Arabic: توفيق زيّاد, Hebrew: תאופיק זיאד, also spelt Tawfik Zayyad or Tawfeeq Ziad, 7 May 1929 – 5 July 1994) was a Palestinian politician well known for his "poetry of protest".[1]
7- Rim Banna
Rim Banna (Arabic: ريم بنا ), is a Palestinian singer, composer, arranger and activist, who is most known for her modern interpretations of traditional Palestinian songs and poetry. Banna was born in Nazareth, where she graduated from Nazareth Baptist School. She currently lives in Nazareth with her three children.[1] She met her husband, Ukrainian guitarist Leonid Alexeyenko, while studying music together at the Higher Music Conservatory in Moscow and they married in 1991,[2] and got divorced in 2010.
8- George Habbash
George Habash (Arabic: جورج حبش) also known by his laqab "al-Hakim" (Arabic:الحكيم — the wise one or the doctor) (2 August 1926 – 26 January 2008) was a Palestinian Christian who founded the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Habash served as Secretary-General of the Palestine Front until 2000, when ill health forced him to resign.
Please keep me updated if you want more bout the Palestinian Christians.
The Palestinian national tissue is unique and enjoys a harmony makes the Palestinian people strong to kick out of Palestine all the raiders!
@ Ron D.
I see that you don't the Palestinian society and the Palestinian people.
Christians in the country of Jesus are Palestinians as any other Palestinian either Muslim or Jewish or any other faith. The Palestinian christians have defended Palestine with their brothers agianst the invasions of Palestine since the existence of the humanity. We kicked out the Crusaders, the French with Napoleon, the Othman empire and we will kick who occupy our land whoever is!
Some of the Palestinian Christian figures:
1- Edward Said
Edward Wadie Said (Arabic pronunciation: [wædiːʕ sæʕiːd]; Arabic: إدوارد وديع سعيد, Idwārd Wadīʿ Saʿīd; 1 November 1935 – 25 September 2003) was a professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia University, a literary theorist, and a public intellectual who was a founding figure of the critical-theory field of Post-colonialism. Born a Palestinian Arab in the city of Jerusalem in Mandatory Palestine (1920–48), he was an American citizen through his father.[3] Said was an advocate for the political and the human rights of the Palestinian people and has been described by the journalist Robert Fisk as their most powerful voice.[4]
2- Hanan Ashrawi
Hanan Daoud Khalil Ashrawi (Arabic: حنان داوود خليل عشراوي ; born October 8, 1946) is a Palestinian legislator, activist, and scholar. She was a protégé and later colleague and close friend of Edward Said. Ashrawi was an important leader during the First Intifada, served as the official spokesperson for the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace process, and has been elected numerous times to the Palestinian Legislative Council. Ashrawi is a member of Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's Third Way party.[1] She is the first woman elected to the Palestinian National Council.[2]
Ashrawi serves on the Advisory Board of several international and local organizations including the World Bank Middle East and North Africa (MENA), United Nations Research Institute for Social Development (UNRISD) and the International Human Rights Council.[3]
She received her bachelor's and master's degrees in literature in the Department of English at the American University of Beirut. Ashrawi also has a Ph.D. in Medieval and Comparative Literature from the University of Virginia.
3- Azmi Bishara
Azmi Bishara ( listen (help·info) Arabic: عزمي بشارة listen (help·info), Hebrew: עזמי בשארה listen (help·info), born 22 July 1956 in Nazareth, Israel), a former member of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament and founder of the Balad Party, is a Palestinian intellectual, academic, politician, and writer.[1]
4- Emil Habibi
Imil (Emile) Shukri Habibi (Arabic: إميل حبيبي, Hebrew: אמיל חביבי, 28 January 1922 – 2 May 1996) was a Palestinian writer of Arabic expression and a communist politician, son of a Christian family.
Habibi's work, harshly critical of Israel, has nonetheless been coopted into Israeli cultural streams and, in 2005, he was voted the 143rd-greatest Israeli of all time, in a poll by the Israeli news website Ynet to determine whom the general public considered the 200 Greatest Israelis.[1] Most Palestinians would reject his labelling as an 'Israeli' author.
5- Riyad Maleki
Riyad Al-Maliki (Arabic: رياض المالكي) is former Minister of Information, Government Spokesperson, and Foreign Affairs Minister of the Palestinian National Authority in its 12th Government, and resumed office as Foreign Affairs Minister in the current 13th Government.
Al-Maliki was born in 1955 and earned the degree of Civil Engineer by Pontifical Xavierian University in Colombia in 1978 [1] [2]and a PhD in Civil Engineering at the American University.[3]
6- Toufiq Ziyad
Tawfiq Ziad (Arabic: توفيق زيّاد, Hebrew: תאופיק זיאד, also spelt Tawfik Zayyad or Tawfeeq Ziad, 7 May 1929 – 5 July 1994) was a Palestinian politician well known for his "poetry of protest".[1]
7- Rim Banna
Rim Banna (Arabic: ريم بنا ), is a Palestinian singer, composer, arranger and activist, who is most known for her modern interpretations of traditional Palestinian songs and poetry. Banna was born in Nazareth, where she graduated from Nazareth Baptist School. She currently lives in Nazareth with her three children.[1] She met her husband, Ukrainian guitarist Leonid Alexeyenko, while studying music together at the Higher Music Conservatory in Moscow and they married in 1991,[2] and got divorced in 2010.
8- George Habbash
George Habash (Arabic: جورج حبش) also known by his laqab "al-Hakim" (Arabic:الحكيم — the wise one or the doctor) (2 August 1926 – 26 January 2008) was a Palestinian Christian who founded the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Habash served as Secretary-General of the Palestine Front until 2000, when ill health forced him to resign.
Please keep me updated if you want more bout the Palestinian Christians.
The Palestinian national tissue is unique and enjoys a harmony makes the Palestinian people strong to kick out of Palestine all the raiders!
Finally The Americains open one eye to see:
Israel could become ‘Apartheid State', Kerry warns
What will be their reaction if they open the 2 eyes!
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/140428-israel-could-become-apartheid-state-kerry-warns
Finally The Americains open one eye to see:
Israel could become ‘Apartheid State', Kerry warns
What will be their reaction if they open the 2 eyes!
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/140428-israel-could-become-apartheid-state-kerry-warns
Israel starts implementing sanctions on Palestinians
Yesterday they commomorated the holocaust and today they impose sanctions on another nation!
It's not enough to be guilty by occuping another country but to impose sanctions. This is the new world values imposed by the zionists.
Israel starts implementing sanctions on Palestinians
Yesterday they commomorated the holocaust and today they impose sanctions on another nation!
It's not enough to be guilty by occuping another country but to impose sanctions. This is the new world values imposed by the zionists.
Roger Waters to Rolling Stones: cancel Israel show
Pink Floyd's frontman, drummer Nick Mason publish column calling the UK band to join worldwide boycott
Pink Floyd's frontman Roger Waters and drummer Nick Mason called on The Rolling Stones to cancel the band's upcoming concert in Israel.
The legendary British rock band will perform at Tel Aviv's Park Hayarkon on June 4 as part of the "14 on Fire" world tour.
In a column co-written by Waters and Mason, and published earlier this week on Salon.com, the two musicians compared playing in modern day Israel to playing in South Africa at the height of apartheid.
"The BDS movement is modeled on the successful nonviolent movements that helped end Jim Crow in the American South and apartheid in South Africa," they wrote. "BDS offers us all a way to nonviolently pressure the Israeli government to fully realize that its injustices against the Palestinian people are legally and morally unacceptable and unsustainable."
Waters and Mason challenged other musicians to boycott, as well. "So, to the bands that intend to play Israel in 2014, we urge you to reconsider. Playing Israel now is the moral equivalent of playing Sun City at the height of South African apartheid; regardless of your intentions," they wrote.
"(W)e encourage you, fellow artists, to ask yourselves what you would do if forced to live under military rule and discriminatory laws for decades," said the musicians.
"If you wouldn’t play Sun City, back in the day, as you, the Rolling Stones did not, then don’t play Tel Aviv until such time as freedom reigns for all and equal rights is the law of the land," the column concluded.
Waters is a longtime vocal critic of Israeli policies, and a proponent of the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement.
Last summer the musician published an open letter calling on fellow musicians to boycott Israel.
In the letter dated Aug. 18, Waters called on his "Colleagues in Rock and Roll," to "join with me, and thousands of other artists around the world, to declare a cultural boycott on Israel ... to support all our brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel who are struggling to end all forms of Israeli oppression and who wish to live in peace, justice, equality and freedom."
Waters urged his colleagues not to "perform or exhibit in Israel or accept any award or funding from any institution linked to the government of Israel, until such time as Israel complies with international law and universal principles of human rights," adding that Israel has been found guilty of serious breaches of international law, including apartheid and ethnic cleansing.
Waters also blasted the US media for their lack of interest in Israel/Palestine, and said that he hopes "they may become interested as they eventually did in the politics of apartheid South Africa," where the first "trickle" of artists that refused to play there became a "flood."
Similar attempts by boycotters have won past successes, for example, in 2010 Elvis Costello canceled his scheduled show, citing "intimidation" and "humiliation" of Palestinians, as did the trip-hop group Massive Attack who event when further and came out as boycott supporters.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/culture/140502-roger-waters-to-rolling-stones-cancel-israel-show
Roger Waters to Rolling Stones: cancel Israel show
Pink Floyd's frontman, drummer Nick Mason publish column calling the UK band to join worldwide boycott
Pink Floyd's frontman Roger Waters and drummer Nick Mason called on The Rolling Stones to cancel the band's upcoming concert in Israel.
The legendary British rock band will perform at Tel Aviv's Park Hayarkon on June 4 as part of the "14 on Fire" world tour.
In a column co-written by Waters and Mason, and published earlier this week on Salon.com, the two musicians compared playing in modern day Israel to playing in South Africa at the height of apartheid.
"The BDS movement is modeled on the successful nonviolent movements that helped end Jim Crow in the American South and apartheid in South Africa," they wrote. "BDS offers us all a way to nonviolently pressure the Israeli government to fully realize that its injustices against the Palestinian people are legally and morally unacceptable and unsustainable."
Waters and Mason challenged other musicians to boycott, as well. "So, to the bands that intend to play Israel in 2014, we urge you to reconsider. Playing Israel now is the moral equivalent of playing Sun City at the height of South African apartheid; regardless of your intentions," they wrote.
"(W)e encourage you, fellow artists, to ask yourselves what you would do if forced to live under military rule and discriminatory laws for decades," said the musicians.
"If you wouldn’t play Sun City, back in the day, as you, the Rolling Stones did not, then don’t play Tel Aviv until such time as freedom reigns for all and equal rights is the law of the land," the column concluded.
Waters is a longtime vocal critic of Israeli policies, and a proponent of the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement.
Last summer the musician published an open letter calling on fellow musicians to boycott Israel.
In the letter dated Aug. 18, Waters called on his "Colleagues in Rock and Roll," to "join with me, and thousands of other artists around the world, to declare a cultural boycott on Israel ... to support all our brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel who are struggling to end all forms of Israeli oppression and who wish to live in peace, justice, equality and freedom."
Waters urged his colleagues not to "perform or exhibit in Israel or accept any award or funding from any institution linked to the government of Israel, until such time as Israel complies with international law and universal principles of human rights," adding that Israel has been found guilty of serious breaches of international law, including apartheid and ethnic cleansing.
Waters also blasted the US media for their lack of interest in Israel/Palestine, and said that he hopes "they may become interested as they eventually did in the politics of apartheid South Africa," where the first "trickle" of artists that refused to play there became a "flood."
Similar attempts by boycotters have won past successes, for example, in 2010 Elvis Costello canceled his scheduled show, citing "intimidation" and "humiliation" of Palestinians, as did the trip-hop group Massive Attack who event when further and came out as boycott supporters.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/culture/140502-roger-waters-to-rolling-stones-cancel-israel-show
Interesting, from the devil's mouth.
Roger Waters to Rolling Stones: cancel Israel show
Pink Floyd's frontman, drummer Nick Mason publish column calling the UK band to join worldwide boycott
Pink Floyd's frontman Roger Waters and drummer Nick Mason called on The Rolling Stones to cancel the band's upcoming concert in Israel.
The legendary British rock band will perform at Tel Aviv's Park Hayarkon on June 4 as part of the "14 on Fire" world tour.
In a column co-written by Waters and Mason, and published earlier this week on Salon.com, the two musicians compared playing in modern day Israel to playing in South Africa at the height of apartheid.
"The BDS movement is modeled on the successful nonviolent movements that helped end Jim Crow in the American South and apartheid in South Africa," they wrote. "BDS offers us all a way to nonviolently pressure the Israeli government to fully realize that its injustices against the Palestinian people are legally and morally unacceptable and unsustainable."
Waters and Mason challenged other musicians to boycott, as well. "So, to the bands that intend to play Israel in 2014, we urge you to reconsider. Playing Israel now is the moral equivalent of playing Sun City at the height of South African apartheid; regardless of your intentions," they wrote.
"(W)e encourage you, fellow artists, to ask yourselves what you would do if forced to live under military rule and discriminatory laws for decades," said the musicians.
"If you wouldn’t play Sun City, back in the day, as you, the Rolling Stones did not, then don’t play Tel Aviv until such time as freedom reigns for all and equal rights is the law of the land," the column concluded.
Waters is a longtime vocal critic of Israeli policies, and a proponent of the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement.
Last summer the musician published an open letter calling on fellow musicians to boycott Israel.
In the letter dated Aug. 18, Waters called on his "Colleagues in Rock and Roll," to "join with me, and thousands of other artists around the world, to declare a cultural boycott on Israel ... to support all our brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel who are struggling to end all forms of Israeli oppression and who wish to live in peace, justice, equality and freedom."
Waters urged his colleagues not to "perform or exhibit in Israel or accept any award or funding from any institution linked to the government of Israel, until such time as Israel complies with international law and universal principles of human rights," adding that Israel has been found guilty of serious breaches of international law, including apartheid and ethnic cleansing.
Waters also blasted the US media for their lack of interest in Israel/Palestine, and said that he hopes "they may become interested as they eventually did in the politics of apartheid South Africa," where the first "trickle" of artists that refused to play there became a "flood."
Similar attempts by boycotters have won past successes, for example, in 2010 Elvis Costello canceled his scheduled show, citing "intimidation" and "humiliation" of Palestinians, as did the trip-hop group Massive Attack who event when further and came out as boycott supporters.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/culture/140502-roger-waters-to-rolling-stones-cancel-israel-show
Einstein once said that genius has limitis but stupidity don't:
I copy paste this answer for the stupidity of Roger Waters.
As of late you have clearly spiraled into the deep chasm of antisemitism without any hope of recovery. That’s your choice. But you also lead your sheep-like fans, hopelessly passing their time in the grassland awaaaaaaaay.
Here in the real world, cooperation leads to good things. Sodastream is a great example of economic cooperation and the employees are very grateful. In fact SodaStream is just a microcosm of the good that can come from this thing called cooperation. But unfortunately, your support for BDS shows you have no interest whatsoever in anyone cooperating with anyone lest they be called normalizers or something.
Let’s take a look, and in doing so I’ll answer each one of your questions to Scarlett Johansson, and then maybe you can see that despite the constant belligerency of the Palestinians to accept that the single tiny little Jewish nation exists, there are those that desire cooperation and act on those desires.
Do they have the right to vote?
First of all, you have a tendency to mix up many issues here. Arabs in Israel clearly have the same rights as any citizen. Discrimination is illegal in Israel.
But obviously you are referring to the Palestinians under the Palestinian Authority. So. Yes. They have the right to vote for their leaders in the Palestinian Authority. But unfortunately, Mahmoud Abbas is on year 10 of his 4-year term. Palestinians would have the right to vote if the PA ever ran an election like democracies usually do once in a blue moon.
Besides, I don’t get it. You want Palestinians to be autonomous and to have their own state. Yet you expect Israel to give them the right to vote in the Israeli government? That’s like expecting America to give Canadians the right to vote for the US president.
Do they have access to the roads?
What kind of dumbassery is this? Access to roads? Do you see this sign?
This sign is to warn Israelis not to enter a Palestinian road. Do you know why this sign is necessary? Because whenever an Israeli car enters a Palestinian village (even by accident)this happens.
You obviously have no problem with this do you?
Can they travel to their work place without waiting for hours to pass through the occupying forces control barriers?
Although I know you really couldn’t care less, but we must highlight that before Israel was forced to restrict movement of Palestinians, over 1000 Israeli civilians died in hundreds of terror attacks aimed at maximizing the death of any man, woman or child who happened to be there at the time. These terror attacks were, by the way, fully sponsored by our former partner in peace, Yasser Arafat.
If a couple of extra security steps to help stop these attacks really angers you I’d hate to see you at the airport.
But regarding workers, if they are Palestinians working in the PA controlled areas, then there’s no need to cross a checkpoint. Therefore there aren’t any.
But if they choose to work on the other side of the “border” – which Israel is under no obligation to allow, then obviously there’s a requirement for a security check. How is this any different than crossing ANY border in the world to work?
Now let me share with you a couple examples of the importance of security for Palestinians to go through security when employed in Israel.
1) The terrorist who bombed a bus in Tel Aviv in 2012 worked at McDonald’s in the Modi’in Mall.
2) Tomer Hazan worked in a Bat Yam restaurant with a Palestinian. He “befriended” him and went to his house where he was kidnapped and murdered.
3) Here is a Palestinian “ambulance”. On this particular ambulance attempting to cross into Israel, we have a woman and a child being used as a human shield and a powerful bomb that is destined to some crowded market to blow up Israelis.
Do they have clean drinking water?
Contrary to what you’ve been led to believe, Palestinian towns are not third world hellholes. And if they are, it’s not because of Israel’s doing. Any nation that receives as much aid money as the Palestinian people should be a G8 country by now, but when you choose to squander it and try to destroy your neighbour, it’s not money well spent, is it?
But alas, cooperation happens. And when it does, look at what you get: A joint Israeli-Palestinian-Jordanian Water Sharing Agreement meant to build the infrastructure to give every single household fresh clean water. Maybe you should start celebrating the positive cooperation between the parties of the conflict, instead of either ignoring them or writing them off as inadmissible to your hateful court.
Do they have sanitation?
Same agreement as above.
Do they have citizenship?
As a reminder, once upon a time, every single Arab between the “river and the sea” was given a chance to be Israeli citizens. They flatly rejected it then and they continue to reject it now. This question is just dumb. It’s like you want Palestinians to be completely autonomous and have their own state but still allow them to vote in another country, cross freely over the border even with the completely legitimate security issues and to have citizenship in another country? Are you making these demands with all countries or just the Jewish one?
Do they have the right not to have the standard issue kicking in their door in the middle of the night and taking their children away?
If you really think the Israeli army knocks down doors because there’s nothing better to do, obviously you think the fact that these “children” were attempting to murder Israelis a few hours earlier is irrelevant. Next question.
Do they have the right to appeal against arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment?
Over 1200 prisoners have been released in good faith by the Israelis just to advance peace talks. Most have actually masterminded terror attacks that have killed scores of people in cold blood. None have expressed remorse. All were hailed as heroes by the PA. And the children are taught to look to them as inspiration. Are you OK with this?
Do they have the right to re-occupy the property and homes they owned before 1948?
Do the 800,000 Jews AND THEIR DESCENDANTS have the right to “reoccupy” the property and homes that were forcibly confiscated from them in all the Arab countries before taking refuge in Israel? Did you know the Jewish population is 0 in 90% of all Arab countries?
Do you think it was a good idea for the Arab nations to compel the Arabs to flee their homes, leaving only the Jews so they could more easily annihilate the new-born state of Israel?
Do you think it was a good idea for all the Arab Nations to have discriminatory laws against Palestinian refugees for 65 years for the sole purpose of perpetuating the crisis instead of resettling them like in normal refugee situations?
Do they have the right to an ordinary, decent human family life?
Do they have the right to self determination?
Who? Arabs? They don’t?
You can’t be talking about Palestinians. Be honest to yourself. “Palestinians” are Arabs who invented a “nation” only to serve a political purpose. To eliminate the Jew from the territory.
That being said, do you think Jews have this right? When Jews demand this right suddenly it’s “Zionist Apartheid”?
Do they have the right to continue to develop a cultural life that is ancient and profound?
Can you let me know whose development of a cultural life is being stymied in any way?
The workers in The Soda Stream Factory do not have any of these rights.
You speak for these workers? I don’t know I’d rather let them speak for themselves.
Einstein once said that genius has limitis but stupidity don't:
I copy paste this answer for the stupidity of Roger Waters.
As of late you have clearly spiraled into the deep chasm of antisemitism without any hope of recovery. That’s your choice. But you also lead your sheep-like fans, hopelessly passing their time in the grassland awaaaaaaaay.
Here in the real world, cooperation leads to good things. Sodastream is a great example of economic cooperation and the employees are very grateful. In fact SodaStream is just a microcosm of the good that can come from this thing called cooperation. But unfortunately, your support for BDS shows you have no interest whatsoever in anyone cooperating with anyone lest they be called normalizers or something.
Let’s take a look, and in doing so I’ll answer each one of your questions to Scarlett Johansson, and then maybe you can see that despite the constant belligerency of the Palestinians to accept that the single tiny little Jewish nation exists, there are those that desire cooperation and act on those desires.
Do they have the right to vote?
First of all, you have a tendency to mix up many issues here. Arabs in Israel clearly have the same rights as any citizen. Discrimination is illegal in Israel.
But obviously you are referring to the Palestinians under the Palestinian Authority. So. Yes. They have the right to vote for their leaders in the Palestinian Authority. But unfortunately, Mahmoud Abbas is on year 10 of his 4-year term. Palestinians would have the right to vote if the PA ever ran an election like democracies usually do once in a blue moon.
Besides, I don’t get it. You want Palestinians to be autonomous and to have their own state. Yet you expect Israel to give them the right to vote in the Israeli government? That’s like expecting America to give Canadians the right to vote for the US president.
Do they have access to the roads?
What kind of dumbassery is this? Access to roads? Do you see this sign?
This sign is to warn Israelis not to enter a Palestinian road. Do you know why this sign is necessary? Because whenever an Israeli car enters a Palestinian village (even by accident)this happens.
You obviously have no problem with this do you?
Can they travel to their work place without waiting for hours to pass through the occupying forces control barriers?
Although I know you really couldn’t care less, but we must highlight that before Israel was forced to restrict movement of Palestinians, over 1000 Israeli civilians died in hundreds of terror attacks aimed at maximizing the death of any man, woman or child who happened to be there at the time. These terror attacks were, by the way, fully sponsored by our former partner in peace, Yasser Arafat.
If a couple of extra security steps to help stop these attacks really angers you I’d hate to see you at the airport.
But regarding workers, if they are Palestinians working in the PA controlled areas, then there’s no need to cross a checkpoint. Therefore there aren’t any.
But if they choose to work on the other side of the “border” – which Israel is under no obligation to allow, then obviously there’s a requirement for a security check. How is this any different than crossing ANY border in the world to work?
Now let me share with you a couple examples of the importance of security for Palestinians to go through security when employed in Israel.
1) The terrorist who bombed a bus in Tel Aviv in 2012 worked at McDonald’s in the Modi’in Mall.
2) Tomer Hazan worked in a Bat Yam restaurant with a Palestinian. He “befriended” him and went to his house where he was kidnapped and murdered.
3) Here is a Palestinian “ambulance”. On this particular ambulance attempting to cross into Israel, we have a woman and a child being used as a human shield and a powerful bomb that is destined to some crowded market to blow up Israelis.
Do they have clean drinking water?
Contrary to what you’ve been led to believe, Palestinian towns are not third world hellholes. And if they are, it’s not because of Israel’s doing. Any nation that receives as much aid money as the Palestinian people should be a G8 country by now, but when you choose to squander it and try to destroy your neighbour, it’s not money well spent, is it?
But alas, cooperation happens. And when it does, look at what you get: A joint Israeli-Palestinian-Jordanian Water Sharing Agreement meant to build the infrastructure to give every single household fresh clean water. Maybe you should start celebrating the positive cooperation between the parties of the conflict, instead of either ignoring them or writing them off as inadmissible to your hateful court.
Do they have sanitation?
Same agreement as above.
Do they have citizenship?
As a reminder, once upon a time, every single Arab between the “river and the sea” was given a chance to be Israeli citizens. They flatly rejected it then and they continue to reject it now. This question is just dumb. It’s like you want Palestinians to be completely autonomous and have their own state but still allow them to vote in another country, cross freely over the border even with the completely legitimate security issues and to have citizenship in another country? Are you making these demands with all countries or just the Jewish one?
Do they have the right not to have the standard issue kicking in their door in the middle of the night and taking their children away?
If you really think the Israeli army knocks down doors because there’s nothing better to do, obviously you think the fact that these “children” were attempting to murder Israelis a few hours earlier is irrelevant. Next question.
Do they have the right to appeal against arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment?
Over 1200 prisoners have been released in good faith by the Israelis just to advance peace talks. Most have actually masterminded terror attacks that have killed scores of people in cold blood. None have expressed remorse. All were hailed as heroes by the PA. And the children are taught to look to them as inspiration. Are you OK with this?
Do they have the right to re-occupy the property and homes they owned before 1948?
Do the 800,000 Jews AND THEIR DESCENDANTS have the right to “reoccupy” the property and homes that were forcibly confiscated from them in all the Arab countries before taking refuge in Israel? Did you know the Jewish population is 0 in 90% of all Arab countries?
Do you think it was a good idea for the Arab nations to compel the Arabs to flee their homes, leaving only the Jews so they could more easily annihilate the new-born state of Israel?
Do you think it was a good idea for all the Arab Nations to have discriminatory laws against Palestinian refugees for 65 years for the sole purpose of perpetuating the crisis instead of resettling them like in normal refugee situations?
Do they have the right to an ordinary, decent human family life?
Do they have the right to self determination?
Who? Arabs? They don’t?
You can’t be talking about Palestinians. Be honest to yourself. “Palestinians” are Arabs who invented a “nation” only to serve a political purpose. To eliminate the Jew from the territory.
That being said, do you think Jews have this right? When Jews demand this right suddenly it’s “Zionist Apartheid”?
Do they have the right to continue to develop a cultural life that is ancient and profound?
Can you let me know whose development of a cultural life is being stymied in any way?
The workers in The Soda Stream Factory do not have any of these rights.
You speak for these workers? I don’t know I’d rather let them speak for themselves.
This is what happens when the truth explodes in your face
https://electronicintifada.net/content/ireland-moves-towards-banning-goods-israels-settlements/24841
https://electronicintifada.net/content/ireland-moves-towards-banning-goods-israels-settlements/24841
June 2018
If you really want to look away from all the human right violations made daily in the name of your religion, in your country, tribe and possibly family, and to continue obssessing about boycotting Israel, then just be coherent with yourself and take the following actions:
Remove all Intel Pentium and Celeron computer processor chips from your personal computers (desktops, laptops and notebooks) as these were either developed or manufactured in Israel. Make sure to stop using all current Microsoft operating systems as Microsoft is heavily reliant on its Israel R&D centre. BTW, don't forget to remove any anti-virus software and personal firewalls as this technology originated in Israel. Make sure not to use Safari or MAC OSX. Don't use memory devices including memory sticks,
Discard all mobile phones, as this technology was developed in Israel, and don't use SMS (Texting) which was developed in Israel. No 4G devices can be used, as the chipset is Israeli.
Turn off your voice-mail service and delete any recorded messages. Israeli companies invented the voice-mail system.
Do not use Facebook as many in-built and add-on applications are Israeli-developed. Do not watch videos on the Internet as the platform used to upload them may be from AOL and hence from an Israeli company. Do not use the Internet to search for answers to your questions as this may involve use of an Israeli-developed search engine.
Do not buy an electric car as it is likely to be powered with an Israeli battery or use Israeli developed charging mats.
Watch out form eating cherry tomatoes, which were developed in Israel, and do not eat any agricultural products from the countries that use water irrigation and agricultural technology provided directly from Israel. This includes most of Africa, China, India, Indonesia, Nepal and many others. Do not consume homemade drinks from Israeli-manufactured household drinks machines like Sodastream.
Watch out for your personal medication: Israel’s Teva Pharmaceuticals, the largest generic drugs company in the world, will have manufactured many of your medicines.
If you or your family members have cancer or other severe diseases – before any surgery or medical tests, check that hospital catheters have not been protected from infection using the new plastic from Israel that disables microorganisms. Refuse to undergo MRI, CT or other imaging exams because their technology is based on Israeli inventions.
Ensure any colonoscopy or gastro investigation does not use internal Israeli cameras such as the Pillcam. All heart stents are off-limits as most of these originate from Israeli medical companies. If you suffer from Diabetes – do not measure or inject Insulin using the devices developed by Israeli scientists.
Check all vaccines as many of these have been developed in Israel as well as most of the treatments derived from Stem Cell research because they are Israeli-developed.
Do not open an account in any of the banks who are using Israeli software to prevent fraud, and do not use any credit or debit card as the Security monitoring system used by the credit card companies is likely to be Israeli.
And so on and so on....
So, are you really going to boycott Israel, or are you only trying to use hypocryt propaganda to promote hatered and impose your wonderful religion on the world?
If you really want to look away from all the human right violations made daily in the name of your religion, in your country, tribe and possibly family, and to continue obssessing about boycotting Israel, then just be coherent with yourself and take the following actions:
Remove all Intel Pentium and Celeron computer processor chips from your personal computers (desktops, laptops and notebooks) as these were either developed or manufactured in Israel. Make sure to stop using all current Microsoft operating systems as Microsoft is heavily reliant on its Israel R&D centre. BTW, don't forget to remove any anti-virus software and personal firewalls as this technology originated in Israel. Make sure not to use Safari or MAC OSX. Don't use memory devices including memory sticks,
Discard all mobile phones, as this technology was developed in Israel, and don't use SMS (Texting) which was developed in Israel. No 4G devices can be used, as the chipset is Israeli.
Turn off your voice-mail service and delete any recorded messages. Israeli companies invented the voice-mail system.
Do not use Facebook as many in-built and add-on applications are Israeli-developed. Do not watch videos on the Internet as the platform used to upload them may be from AOL and hence from an Israeli company. Do not use the Internet to search for answers to your questions as this may involve use of an Israeli-developed search engine.
Do not buy an electric car as it is likely to be powered with an Israeli battery or use Israeli developed charging mats.
Watch out form eating cherry tomatoes, which were developed in Israel, and do not eat any agricultural products from the countries that use water irrigation and agricultural technology provided directly from Israel. This includes most of Africa, China, India, Indonesia, Nepal and many others. Do not consume homemade drinks from Israeli-manufactured household drinks machines like Sodastream.
Watch out for your personal medication: Israel’s Teva Pharmaceuticals, the largest generic drugs company in the world, will have manufactured many of your medicines.
If you or your family members have cancer or other severe diseases – before any surgery or medical tests, check that hospital catheters have not been protected from infection using the new plastic from Israel that disables microorganisms. Refuse to undergo MRI, CT or other imaging exams because their technology is based on Israeli inventions.
Ensure any colonoscopy or gastro investigation does not use internal Israeli cameras such as the Pillcam. All heart stents are off-limits as most of these originate from Israeli medical companies. If you suffer from Diabetes – do not measure or inject Insulin using the devices developed by Israeli scientists.
Check all vaccines as many of these have been developed in Israel as well as most of the treatments derived from Stem Cell research because they are Israeli-developed.
Do not open an account in any of the banks who are using Israeli software to prevent fraud, and do not use any credit or debit card as the Security monitoring system used by the credit card companies is likely to be Israeli.
And so on and so on....
So, are you really going to boycott Israel, or are you only trying to use hypocryt propaganda to promote hatered and impose your wonderful religion on the world?
I believe your human rights for Palestinians just because they are Muslims. What about no jews in all Arab nation's, what about Saudi who don't allow other non Muslims to practice their religions, what about ISIS and other terrorists who are killing Innocents in the name of religion ISLAM, what about Pakistani jihadi militants killing innocent Hindus in Kashmir, what about innocent African Christian's killed by Boko Haram in Nigeria and other African countries. We never saw Muslim voices protest against that. And also DON'T FORGET Israel is peaceful nation and only Democracy country inArab world. Please dobdospread enemity among humans in Glocal. GO AND learn to protest jihadis,Hamas,hisbollah first. Don't be hypocrite to speak against Israel just because it is democratic nation. If u speak against Palestine in Gaza or West bank you would be given death punishment.
I believe your human rights for Palestinians just because they are Muslims. What about no jews in all Arab nation's, what about Saudi who don't allow other non Muslims to practice their religions, what about ISIS and other terrorists who are killing Innocents in the name of religion ISLAM, what about Pakistani jihadi militants killing innocent Hindus in Kashmir, what about innocent African Christian's killed by Boko Haram in Nigeria and other African countries. We never saw Muslim voices protest against that. And also DON'T FORGET Israel is peaceful nation and only Democracy country inArab world. Please dobdospread enemity among humans in Glocal. GO AND learn to protest jihadis,Hamas,hisbollah first. Don't be hypocrite to speak against Israel just because it is democratic nation. If u speak against Palestine in Gaza or West bank you would be given death punishment.