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!...Break O Dawn..!
Let ME start of by saying this possibly could've been GOL's last event...figuratively, and literally... This was not quite what JT's add stated as I will explain.

YES, we DID start very early on Saturday 8/11 morning! Everyone carpooled (thanks to all the drivers!!) and met in the wee hours (3am!) in Montreux. So, on your mark, get ready... our car's battery=dead. Luckily Thor our driver is a Scout so spark plugs in hand, car juiced up, ready to go again. We drive up the precarious windy mountain roads; suddenly the 6 or so cars in front suddenly stop causing a traffic jam; people in the front are shuffling about consolidating into different cars (apparently one of the cars was running low on gas as these roads were quite steep). Oh, and the car i was in ... starts to overheat, but we just barely made it up. So 5 cars now reach the starting point of this so called 'easy' hike up to the top of the mountain-1 hour or so (MAX) before the break of day! :-) all with the help of simple supermarket torches ;-D"

Before I go further, some may recall seeing Julian's Forum entry about "oh I'm not complaining but do men still walk at all? don't let the side down! Dig out your walking boots, sign up :-o" Half a dozen women and 2 men + JT, clearly there was a reason why the men didn't sign up including some of the regular hikers on GOL because I'm guessing they KNEW this was NO easy walk in the mountain. non Non NON!!!! This was ROCK climbing, cliff hanging, calling it what you may, but with slipery, muddy footing with simple torches in hand, while using both hands to grab onto a trees, branches, slipping and sliding, heavy food-packed backbags on our backs and just clinging onto dear life because one wrong footing and you're off the edge of the cliff!!! Luckily it was too dark during the ascent that you couldn't really see how high you where, or that you're basically on the edge of the mountain ridge. I would not have gone as far as I did had it been a little lighter and saw the cliff before me.

Don't get me wrong, I was thankful for Julian to encourage me to go further up the mountain despite not feeling comfortable from the very begining, but nevertheless i kept going up, grumbling every inch of the way asking myself 'why am i doing this?' this is not fun? this is not walking? This is TORTURE! I've been pressured into doing something that is completely out of my elements. Once we came to a big vertical rock wall with nothing to hold onto or hoist myself up, and seeing I still had 1/3 ways to go, that's when I said "Game Over". I've come this far, if I go up, I still have to come down and with these slippery conditions, heavy backpack, it was just a recipe for disaster. Most did get to the top which was great to see. I'm more greatful that we all came down eventually after several hours.

What I learned from this experience, is that life's not about getting to the top if it means nearly killing yourself. This journey did create a very special bond amongst four women who were to first to turn around realize this was just a silly idea. We fab four have developed an even stronger bond between us and an appreciation for life, our family, friends and children. Oh, and lots of expletory comments I cannot repeat here while coming down on our hands and butt. Old literary references to Dante's Inferno came to mind in categorizing JT's new status in our network of friends. A new classification of 5-star friendship was developed. JT, if you wanted to shed some of your 300+ friends you should've just asked us nicely rather than try to throw us off the cliff(notice any reductions since last night? ;)

After what seemed an eternity for the last group to come down, we finally unloaded our picnic basket back where we started. The gourmet spread that you get when you combine 20+ women with homemade breads, cakes, sushi, smoked salmon with several bottles of champagne was all worth it in the end.

One final remark JT: keep the hiking to Jasper, Capricorne and others and stick to BBQ's on flat lake side land going forward with Glocals!!!

Good night everyone!!
YMe...
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Let ME start of by saying this possibly could've been GOL's last event...figuratively, and literally... This was not quite what JT's add stated as I will explain.

YES, we DID start very early on Saturday 8/11 morning! Everyone carpooled (thanks to all the drivers!!) and met in the wee hours (3am!) in Montreux. So, on your mark, get ready... our car's battery=dead. Luckily Thor our driver is a Scout so spark plugs in hand, car juiced up, ready to go again. We drive up the precarious windy mountain roads; suddenly the 6 or so cars in front suddenly stop causing a traffic jam; people in the front are shuffling about consolidating into different cars (apparently one of the cars was running low on gas as these roads were quite steep). Oh, and the car i was in ... starts to overheat, but we just barely made it up. So 5 cars now reach the starting point of this so called 'easy' hike up to the top of the mountain-1 hour or so (MAX) before the break of day! :-) all with the help of simple supermarket torches ;-D"

Before I go further, some may recall seeing Julian's Forum entry about "oh I'm not complaining but do men still walk at all? don't let the side down! Dig out your walking boots, sign up :-o" Half a dozen women and 2 men + JT, clearly there was a reason why the men didn't sign up including some of the regular hikers on GOL because I'm guessing they KNEW this was NO easy walk in the mountain. non Non NON!!!! This was ROCK climbing, cliff hanging, calling it what you may, but with slipery, muddy footing with simple torches in hand, while using both hands to grab onto a trees, branches, slipping and sliding, heavy food-packed backbags on our backs and just clinging onto dear life because one wrong footing and you're off the edge of the cliff!!! Luckily it was too dark during the ascent that you couldn't really see how high you where, or that you're basically on the edge of the mountain ridge. I would not have gone as far as I did had it been a little lighter and saw the cliff before me.

Don't get me wrong, I was thankful for Julian to encourage me to go further up the mountain despite not feeling comfortable from the very begining, but nevertheless i kept going up, grumbling every inch of the way asking myself 'why am i doing this?' this is not fun? this is not walking? This is TORTURE! I've been pressured into doing something that is completely out of my elements. Once we came to a big vertical rock wall with nothing to hold onto or hoist myself up, and seeing I still had 1/3 ways to go, that's when I said "Game Over". I've come this far, if I go up, I still have to come down and with these slippery conditions, heavy backpack, it was just a recipe for disaster. Most did get to the top which was great to see. I'm more greatful that we all came down eventually after several hours.

What I learned from this experience, is that life's not about getting to the top if it means nearly killing yourself. This journey did create a very special bond amongst four women who were to first to turn around realize this was just a silly idea. We fab four have developed an even stronger bond between us and an appreciation for life, our family, friends and children. Oh, and lots of expletory comments I cannot repeat here while coming down on our hands and butt. Old literary references to Dante's Inferno came to mind in categorizing JT's new status in our network of friends. A new classification of 5-star friendship was developed. JT, if you wanted to shed some of your 300+ friends you should've just asked us nicely rather than try to throw us off the cliff(notice any reductions since last night? ;)

After what seemed an eternity for the last group to come down, we finally unloaded our picnic basket back where we started. The gourmet spread that you get when you combine 20+ women with homemade breads, cakes, sushi, smoked salmon with several bottles of champagne was all worth it in the end.

One final remark JT: keep the hiking to Jasper, Capricorne and others and stick to BBQ's on flat lake side land going forward with Glocals!!!

Good night everyone!!
YMe...
YouMeCoAug 11, 07 16:32
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Firstly, a massive thanks to everyone who came along! You've all passed the commando selection process with flying colours! :-)

Counted 24 in at 3am, and counted 24 out again at 10ish... for what is possibly for one of last GoL events ever - from now on we're all going to be a bit 'glauque' - just like quite a few sleepy faces earlier on in the small hours of this morning ;-)

Chuckled away to myself all the way up, chuckled all the way down - and have just laughed my head of from reading YouMeCo's posting above! ...Not much else to add really, I think she's pretty much said it all! Umm, but apparently the 'Dent de Jaman' is a grade 2 in terms of difficulty ...possibly a 'grade 2, out of 2'!?? :-o

What was the reason for it all? Well, those who were there know - one hell of a way to mark the occasion, eh?!! ...and one that none of us are likely to forget quickly either!

Next week; who's up for doing Mont Blanc??! :-) J.

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Firstly, a massive thanks to everyone who came along! You've all passed the commando selection process with flying colours! :-)

Counted 24 in at 3am, and counted 24 out again at 10ish... for what is possibly for one of last GoL events ever - from now on we're all going to be a bit 'glauque' - just like quite a few sleepy faces earlier on in the small hours of this morning ;-)

Chuckled away to myself all the way up, chuckled all the way down - and have just laughed my head of from reading YouMeCo's posting above! ...Not much else to add really, I think she's pretty much said it all! Umm, but apparently the 'Dent de Jaman' is a grade 2 in terms of difficulty ...possibly a 'grade 2, out of 2'!?? :-o

What was the reason for it all? Well, those who were there know - one hell of a way to mark the occasion, eh?!! ...and one that none of us are likely to forget quickly either!

Next week; who's up for doing Mont Blanc??! :-) J.


JulianT, Aug 11, 07 17:47
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I have never been on a hike before....i still havnt.
But at least i live to tell the tale...actually driving home was more dangerous. Being tired and driving dont mix very well.
As to Break O Dawn...hmmm More like In Yer Face (the rocks that is).
Good to see old and new faces but think a nice bar somewhere is a little easier...rather fall off a bar stool than a rock face anyday.
Cheers
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I have never been on a hike before....i still havnt.
But at least i live to tell the tale...actually driving home was more dangerous. Being tired and driving dont mix very well.
As to Break O Dawn...hmmm More like In Yer Face (the rocks that is).
Good to see old and new faces but think a nice bar somewhere is a little easier...rather fall off a bar stool than a rock face anyday.
Cheers

doublegin, Aug 11, 07 18:24
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well, it was @ approx 1:30-1:45am when Gregory & Mirta kind of attempted to abuse my alcoholic predisposition towards almost OL things this world stands on & offered a ride to this hitherto well-described event. Hiking is what I grew up with, but because I am sure I would have enjoyed the ladies' cakes @ the ascending point, I had to kindly, though hardly, declined on Gregory's invitation. I stayed @ Krazy's Bar: didn't hike, but danced. Anyway, I've just come back from 2 weeks of Jungfraujoch & Valais hiking, and more than that, I am about to hike back in the Caucasian mountains (above 3,000) for the next 2 weeks.

JT, well done as to commemorate the fading-away GoL & to welcom Glocals! Let's hike & BBQ in 1 month. Why not join this 2 activities? (idea??) :-))))

@ least JT had u guys dicover yo limits, which is pretty good.
Can I have a word from Mirta or Gregory, plz? :-))) or later2day anyway
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well, it was @ approx 1:30-1:45am when Gregory & Mirta kind of attempted to abuse my alcoholic predisposition towards almost OL things this world stands on & offered a ride to this hitherto well-described event. Hiking is what I grew up with, but because I am sure I would have enjoyed the ladies' cakes @ the ascending point, I had to kindly, though hardly, declined on Gregory's invitation. I stayed @ Krazy's Bar: didn't hike, but danced. Anyway, I've just come back from 2 weeks of Jungfraujoch & Valais hiking, and more than that, I am about to hike back in the Caucasian mountains (above 3,000) for the next 2 weeks.

JT, well done as to commemorate the fading-away GoL & to welcom Glocals! Let's hike & BBQ in 1 month. Why not join this 2 activities? (idea??) :-))))

@ least JT had u guys dicover yo limits, which is pretty good.
Can I have a word from Mirta or Gregory, plz? :-))) or later2day anyway
Good_One, Aug 11, 07 18:53
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where our litmits are! Or, I have never been sooo scared in my entire life!

YouMeCo, I have just read your comment and I still have tears in my eyes and this is what I have to say:

I left home by 1.45 am in order to meet up with our lovely driver Trin and the other girls, Steffi, Regine and Mona Lisa. We laughed all the way from Geneva to Montreux, we had lots of good chats too. At this time in the morning we asked ourselfs the question, WHY has Jasper pulled out?

Arrived in time in Montreux to meet up with all the others, and then an up hill drive for about 30 minutes. Got our heavy food packed backbags out of the cars and soon we were ready for our hike.

Julian, do you remember what the "native" farmers told us??? I certanily do, and I should have listend to my inner voice...

Around 1/3 of the way I realized I don't want to get killed!...one wrong step, and will look after my daughter?...etc, etc

I decided to wait for the sun to come up and to sit on that clif - and to get "myself together" in order to be able to make my way down. Was I glad to see that three other women had changed their mind too and returned back with me...

You are MY FIVE STAR FRIENDS - and this for life!!! I will and can not repeat here what was said on our way down, JT, beware of the power of women!

Finally we arrived at the car park, I got my binoculars out and just startet watching you guys coming down. The next big fear was when a heli appeared out the blue and Julian's mobile being busy...

As for myself, I have not prayed so much in a long time and THANK you God, that there were no casualities!

Thank you everyone for all that home made food. And I have never enjoyed a glass of champagne sooo much!

My final remark Julian: from one Leo to another Leo,...DON'T ever organize a hiking trip again, PLEASE leave it to Capricorne and Jasper and stick to BBQ! (because this what you do best!)

To my five star friends, lets all have dinner together one night...after my vaccation and my full recovery from this ordeal.

Have a great weekend everyone and enjoy the fireworks, with "the four seasons" from Vivaldi.

Big hugs, H.

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where our litmits are! Or, I have never been sooo scared in my entire life!

YouMeCo, I have just read your comment and I still have tears in my eyes and this is what I have to say:

I left home by 1.45 am in order to meet up with our lovely driver Trin and the other girls, Steffi, Regine and Mona Lisa. We laughed all the way from Geneva to Montreux, we had lots of good chats too. At this time in the morning we asked ourselfs the question, WHY has Jasper pulled out?

Arrived in time in Montreux to meet up with all the others, and then an up hill drive for about 30 minutes. Got our heavy food packed backbags out of the cars and soon we were ready for our hike.

Julian, do you remember what the "native" farmers told us??? I certanily do, and I should have listend to my inner voice...

Around 1/3 of the way I realized I don't want to get killed!...one wrong step, and will look after my daughter?...etc, etc

I decided to wait for the sun to come up and to sit on that clif - and to get "myself together" in order to be able to make my way down. Was I glad to see that three other women had changed their mind too and returned back with me...

You are MY FIVE STAR FRIENDS - and this for life!!! I will and can not repeat here what was said on our way down, JT, beware of the power of women!

Finally we arrived at the car park, I got my binoculars out and just startet watching you guys coming down. The next big fear was when a heli appeared out the blue and Julian's mobile being busy...

As for myself, I have not prayed so much in a long time and THANK you God, that there were no casualities!

Thank you everyone for all that home made food. And I have never enjoyed a glass of champagne sooo much!

My final remark Julian: from one Leo to another Leo,...DON'T ever organize a hiking trip again, PLEASE leave it to Capricorne and Jasper and stick to BBQ! (because this what you do best!)

To my five star friends, lets all have dinner together one night...after my vaccation and my full recovery from this ordeal.

Have a great weekend everyone and enjoy the fireworks, with "the four seasons" from Vivaldi.

Big hugs, H.


SWISS, Aug 11, 07 19:16
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YouMeCo and Swiss, I love your comments! You are actually missing another epic moment when a bit higher up, having lost Julian and not seeing anything, we did not even know which mountain we were supposed to go up to so we just started climbing nearest random rocks hoping for the best (which worked!).

However, now seating on my comfy sofa after a rest I am delighted we did this. OK, their was mud everywhere, the rocks were slippery, we could not see the path, the sun never actually rose under the clouds ... but at least we have a night to remember, lots to talk about, and more importantly we tried something different!

Thank you to everybody for the giggles, Tawb for you jumper and Julian for the idea! Enjoy the fireworks tonight.
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YouMeCo and Swiss, I love your comments! You are actually missing another epic moment when a bit higher up, having lost Julian and not seeing anything, we did not even know which mountain we were supposed to go up to so we just started climbing nearest random rocks hoping for the best (which worked!).

However, now seating on my comfy sofa after a rest I am delighted we did this. OK, their was mud everywhere, the rocks were slippery, we could not see the path, the sun never actually rose under the clouds ... but at least we have a night to remember, lots to talk about, and more importantly we tried something different!

Thank you to everybody for the giggles, Tawb for you jumper and Julian for the idea! Enjoy the fireworks tonight.

Capuche, Aug 11, 07 20:47
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YouMeCo and Swiss, I love your comments! You are actually missing another epic moment when a bit higher up, having lost Julian and not seeing anything, we did not even know which mountain we were supposed to go up to so we just started climbing nearest random rocks hoping for the best (which worked!).

However, now seating on my comfy sofa after a rest I am delighted we did this. OK, their was mud everywhere, the rocks were slippery, we could not see the path, the sun never actually rose under the clouds ... but at least we have a night to remember, lots to talk about, and more importantly we tried something different!

Thank you to everybody for the giggles, Tawb for you jumper and Julian for the idea! Enjoy the fireworks tonight.
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YouMeCo and Swiss, I love your comments! You are actually missing another epic moment when a bit higher up, having lost Julian and not seeing anything, we did not even know which mountain we were supposed to go up to so we just started climbing nearest random rocks hoping for the best (which worked!).

However, now seating on my comfy sofa after a rest I am delighted we did this. OK, their was mud everywhere, the rocks were slippery, we could not see the path, the sun never actually rose under the clouds ... but at least we have a night to remember, lots to talk about, and more importantly we tried something different!

Thank you to everybody for the giggles, Tawb for you jumper and Julian for the idea! Enjoy the fireworks tonight.

Capuche, Aug 11, 07 20:47
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... it is sometimes good to push them back a little bit, otherwise they will keep on closing in on us. As the saying goes, something that does not cost some sweat and effort (and tears...?) is not worth while. The bigger part of the group got there, which means it could be done. This does not mean taking inconsiderate risks, as this is a tricky hike and the conditions were not easy so, Julian, next time give us the true version and add a !Warning! to your post.
And thank you, Julian, for organising, it was again a "premi?re" that will not readily be forgotten.
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... it is sometimes good to push them back a little bit, otherwise they will keep on closing in on us. As the saying goes, something that does not cost some sweat and effort (and tears...?) is not worth while. The bigger part of the group got there, which means it could be done. This does not mean taking inconsiderate risks, as this is a tricky hike and the conditions were not easy so, Julian, next time give us the true version and add a !Warning! to your post.
And thank you, Julian, for organising, it was again a "premi?re" that will not readily be forgotten.
bleu102, Aug 11, 07 21:04
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Due to a moment of inattention during a slightly less dangerous part of the trip, I’m now sitting here with ice cubes around my swollen left foot, hoping to reduce it to the size of my right foot.

In addition, I saw neither any stars nor the promised sunrise, and my car almost broke down.

So I’m wondering why I want to do something similar again. The only reason I find is the good company we had. (And, BTW, the gender balance was absolutely perfect, IMHO.)

So let’s plan something for the autumn. Anyone want to camp out somewhere? (In a tent, but not on a beach like we’re used to.)

(In Julian’s defence, most sites rate this trip as simple, e.g. “facilement accessible en une heure de marche”. In fact the most dangerous was probably trying to drive home after a long night with out any sleep.)

--tor
PS. Thanks, Julian
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Due to a moment of inattention during a slightly less dangerous part of the trip, I’m now sitting here with ice cubes around my swollen left foot, hoping to reduce it to the size of my right foot.

In addition, I saw neither any stars nor the promised sunrise, and my car almost broke down.

So I’m wondering why I want to do something similar again. The only reason I find is the good company we had. (And, BTW, the gender balance was absolutely perfect, IMHO.)

So let’s plan something for the autumn. Anyone want to camp out somewhere? (In a tent, but not on a beach like we’re used to.)

(In Julian’s defence, most sites rate this trip as simple, e.g. “facilement accessible en une heure de marche”. In fact the most dangerous was probably trying to drive home after a long night with out any sleep.)

--tor
PS. Thanks, Julian
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Wow, sounds like this was a scary experience.

Im glad everyone is ok, and you can relive some of the fear in the Pictures section.

Oded
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Im glad everyone is ok, and you can relive some of the fear in the Pictures section.

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just for the records:
the mountain which Julien never hiked on (climbed???) ...the one where you just go up,up,up...... you know...the one with the cross!!! :-)))
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the mountain which Julien never hiked on (climbed???) ...the one where you just go up,up,up...... you know...the one with the cross!!! :-)))
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I signed up blanc, I was prepared to live a warm and starry summer night walk with full moon, and then an extraordinary sunrise.
I didn't realize until much later where we were heading to.
I have never been on top of the Dent the Jaman - often came close by - but only saw the vertical lake-side. When I heard from JT there was an easy way up from the north - I guessed he spoke from experience - living nearby. Would nevertheless have tried it rather on a warm sunny day in full daylight.
I recommended JT to postpone, and wait for weather-conditions worth a night without sleep. For me it was just too cold, too cloudy, too wet slippery soil with possible danger of slides.
Good heavens - I am happy to hear that you can laugh after all, b'cause you survived.
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I signed up blanc, I was prepared to live a warm and starry summer night walk with full moon, and then an extraordinary sunrise.
I didn't realize until much later where we were heading to.
I have never been on top of the Dent the Jaman - often came close by - but only saw the vertical lake-side. When I heard from JT there was an easy way up from the north - I guessed he spoke from experience - living nearby. Would nevertheless have tried it rather on a warm sunny day in full daylight.
I recommended JT to postpone, and wait for weather-conditions worth a night without sleep. For me it was just too cold, too cloudy, too wet slippery soil with possible danger of slides.
Good heavens - I am happy to hear that you can laugh after all, b'cause you survived.

jasper, Aug 12, 07 12:39
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... in the first place, I definitely would have bonded with you SWISS. Poor visibility, sheer cliffs and slippery conditions are not part of my hiking vocabulary. But I can see this is definitely an event that will not be forgotten.
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... in the first place, I definitely would have bonded with you SWISS. Poor visibility, sheer cliffs and slippery conditions are not part of my hiking vocabulary. But I can see this is definitely an event that will not be forgotten.
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Julien:
Ideas was excellent and good idea to organize this event. Please find here my rating.....
Artistical note: 15.5:
Original idea, great surroundings, nevertheless many laughter (too many? Are you still chuckling?), enthusiasm, fun
Technical note: - 10:
Room for improvement on: Adequate information, listening to warnings (GOL chaps and locals), taking into account weather conditions, taking serious people’s concern ;-) ,

Think you learnt some things....:-)

To all of you:
Thanks for your laughter, perseverance, honesty and emotions. This was definitely no small talk event but you got to know people really as they are. Thanks for soup cooking, for bred and cake baking for carrying all that champagne and coffee (Elisabeth great...you really can go to the iron man race) and for all the good moments that we had nevertheless especially around the breakfast table.

And this guinea pig chasing the cows....

It was probably good we did not see in the dark where we went up.... we only discovered coming down...

Grading of hikes:
Whoever put grade 2 on internet should be told off
For info: Grade 2 means (according to SAC (Swisss Alpine Club): second easiest hiking grade: meaning with good shoes, marked white and red, slight risk of falling off a cliff possible but no exposed parts....(as we saw), sometimes steep, however ...the type of difficulties we faced are mentioned under grade 3 to 5.
It was probably good we did not see in the dark where we went up.... we only discovered coming down...

Concerning 5 star friends...the concept has been developed a while ago and with a copyright ;-) ...some of the participants on that hike qualified by under extreme conditions. The qualification did not depend only on performance but on human qualities such as common sense, support, compassion, patience and staying positive. Welcome to those members) For further applications the jury is quite happy to investigate on the incoming candidatures ;-)).

By the way some of the 5-star people made it up there and back. They represented countries like Japan, Germany, New Zealand, Norway, UK, and others ...forgive me I forgot since I had to concentrate on my steps........

Have a great and relaxed Sunday and a wonderful week
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Julien:
Ideas was excellent and good idea to organize this event. Please find here my rating.....
Artistical note: 15.5:
Original idea, great surroundings, nevertheless many laughter (too many? Are you still chuckling?), enthusiasm, fun
Technical note: - 10:
Room for improvement on: Adequate information, listening to warnings (GOL chaps and locals), taking into account weather conditions, taking serious people’s concern ;-) ,

Think you learnt some things....:-)

To all of you:
Thanks for your laughter, perseverance, honesty and emotions. This was definitely no small talk event but you got to know people really as they are. Thanks for soup cooking, for bred and cake baking for carrying all that champagne and coffee (Elisabeth great...you really can go to the iron man race) and for all the good moments that we had nevertheless especially around the breakfast table.

And this guinea pig chasing the cows....

It was probably good we did not see in the dark where we went up.... we only discovered coming down...

Grading of hikes:
Whoever put grade 2 on internet should be told off
For info: Grade 2 means (according to SAC (Swisss Alpine Club): second easiest hiking grade: meaning with good shoes, marked white and red, slight risk of falling off a cliff possible but no exposed parts....(as we saw), sometimes steep, however ...the type of difficulties we faced are mentioned under grade 3 to 5.
It was probably good we did not see in the dark where we went up.... we only discovered coming down...

Concerning 5 star friends...the concept has been developed a while ago and with a copyright ;-) ...some of the participants on that hike qualified by under extreme conditions. The qualification did not depend only on performance but on human qualities such as common sense, support, compassion, patience and staying positive. Welcome to those members) For further applications the jury is quite happy to investigate on the incoming candidatures ;-)).

By the way some of the 5-star people made it up there and back. They represented countries like Japan, Germany, New Zealand, Norway, UK, and others ...forgive me I forgot since I had to concentrate on my steps........

Have a great and relaxed Sunday and a wonderful week

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Not many people would DARE to take up a bunch of inexperienced people, predominantly gentle ladies, to a night hike, which turned out to be a real rock climbing challenge!!!

I still remember your malicious laughter on the way up accompanied by: "Are you enjoying it already?" - which made me realize that nothing in this life comes easily :-)
But I'm glad we made it - feels good having accomplished something like that!

Yes, that was steep, slippery and dangerous and we wouldn't have done it if we'd seen the downfalls right beside our tiny path, which made it much more difficult on the way back. But it was even scarier for the people without torches (quite a few of them) - but we did it together: sharing light for the followers, discussing where to put the foot to conquer the next vertical wall ahead of us...

And huge thanks to all the people who waited for me on the way back and took some of my food luggage which I took mainly "to share" as instructed by JulianT - while I was having quite unbearable stomach ache making my every move painful due to having some "vin chaud" on the empty stomach on the top of the mountain - bad idea, obviously :-)

So, whatever you're organizing next time JulianT - I'm in!!!
Happy birthday!!! :-)

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Not many people would DARE to take up a bunch of inexperienced people, predominantly gentle ladies, to a night hike, which turned out to be a real rock climbing challenge!!!

I still remember your malicious laughter on the way up accompanied by: "Are you enjoying it already?" - which made me realize that nothing in this life comes easily :-)
But I'm glad we made it - feels good having accomplished something like that!

Yes, that was steep, slippery and dangerous and we wouldn't have done it if we'd seen the downfalls right beside our tiny path, which made it much more difficult on the way back. But it was even scarier for the people without torches (quite a few of them) - but we did it together: sharing light for the followers, discussing where to put the foot to conquer the next vertical wall ahead of us...

And huge thanks to all the people who waited for me on the way back and took some of my food luggage which I took mainly "to share" as instructed by JulianT - while I was having quite unbearable stomach ache making my every move painful due to having some "vin chaud" on the empty stomach on the top of the mountain - bad idea, obviously :-)

So, whatever you're organizing next time JulianT - I'm in!!!
Happy birthday!!! :-)


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.....all these posts and having a look at the pics – seems like we will have something to retell about a very special event we won't forget in a lifetime.
Everybody could feel the relaxation at brunch time, after all off us got down without any serious injuries. Thanks for the Champagne – it was well deserved ;-)

I agree to some others:

- the idea of being somewhere up on the mountain / hills, to watch the dawn and the sunrise, was fantastic........could we try this next time perhaps on the Sal?ve (easy way of going up by car, very close for all the Geneva Glocals.....)
- the track itself was beautiful and I will do it another time for sure (at daylight) – with more dry, nor slippery conditions;
- the organizer should have done this trip before (we recognized, that the description in the Internet didn't fit exactly to what we saw), BUT Julian's relief, that nothing happened was the most obvious one!
- the company was just great (as with most of the other Glocal activities I joined before)with tons of laughs, serious discussions, delicious homemade food , etc.

Thanks to all ;-)

.....and Julian, even if some other suggested you should just stick to organize BBQs, I would appreciate some well organized skiing trips........
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.....all these posts and having a look at the pics – seems like we will have something to retell about a very special event we won't forget in a lifetime.
Everybody could feel the relaxation at brunch time, after all off us got down without any serious injuries. Thanks for the Champagne – it was well deserved ;-)

I agree to some others:

- the idea of being somewhere up on the mountain / hills, to watch the dawn and the sunrise, was fantastic........could we try this next time perhaps on the Sal?ve (easy way of going up by car, very close for all the Geneva Glocals.....)
- the track itself was beautiful and I will do it another time for sure (at daylight) – with more dry, nor slippery conditions;
- the organizer should have done this trip before (we recognized, that the description in the Internet didn't fit exactly to what we saw), BUT Julian's relief, that nothing happened was the most obvious one!
- the company was just great (as with most of the other Glocal activities I joined before)with tons of laughs, serious discussions, delicious homemade food , etc.

Thanks to all ;-)

.....and Julian, even if some other suggested you should just stick to organize BBQs, I would appreciate some well organized skiing trips........
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Relieved that people like Thor exist - is good to hear of people who do jump leads!
Also have to feel some relief that the crazy idea I had of spontaneously joining did not develop beyond being a fleeting one, as Irishka left the concert I was at the night before.
But mainly relieved to hear you all got back safely. And that many chuckles are still being had about your adventure.

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Also have to feel some relief that the crazy idea I had of spontaneously joining did not develop beyond being a fleeting one, as Irishka left the concert I was at the night before.
But mainly relieved to hear you all got back safely. And that many chuckles are still being had about your adventure.


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Swiss is the 12.08.07.... :-)))
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Seriously you guys, you've made my w/end! I have been laughing our heads off with all the little stories that there are!... Thanks also to those who took the time to send in photos... (umm, whoever you are, could you send me the originals please(?), as the quality isn't that good when you download them from GoL, thanks).
If ever you see a ' ...! Rocking It !... ' activity, it'll be me - and yup, it'll be an easy 'Capricorn/Jasper' style event (PROMISE ! ! !) - don't know when though - Anyway, most of you know that my stuff has a little 'twist' to it, that's why it's so much fun! ...& eveyone was laughing / smiling at the end + congratulating themselves for having done something quite remarkable! ...I've often made peope do things which they wouldn'nt even have dreamed of doing on their own, and you lot came up trumps ! ! !

Well done everyone! You're all stars in my eyes... hope to see you all again sometime in the Autumn (Trees) or Winter (Skinny-Dipping... if there's snow this year!) ...have an excellent start to the week and look after those aching muscles - as you'll be needing them when we next meet up! Cheers! :-) J.
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Seriously you guys, you've made my w/end! I have been laughing our heads off with all the little stories that there are!... Thanks also to those who took the time to send in photos... (umm, whoever you are, could you send me the originals please(?), as the quality isn't that good when you download them from GoL, thanks).
If ever you see a ' ...! Rocking It !... ' activity, it'll be me - and yup, it'll be an easy 'Capricorn/Jasper' style event (PROMISE ! ! !) - don't know when though - Anyway, most of you know that my stuff has a little 'twist' to it, that's why it's so much fun! ...& eveyone was laughing / smiling at the end + congratulating themselves for having done something quite remarkable! ...I've often made peope do things which they wouldn'nt even have dreamed of doing on their own, and you lot came up trumps ! ! !

Well done everyone! You're all stars in my eyes... hope to see you all again sometime in the Autumn (Trees) or Winter (Skinny-Dipping... if there's snow this year!) ...have an excellent start to the week and look after those aching muscles - as you'll be needing them when we next meet up! Cheers! :-) J.

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no Tinkie.. we popped open several champanges at the bottom. some that drank vin chos at the top got ill... thus the 2 swiss patrol woman from the bottom saw through binoculars that someone was on the ground. this is when we thought something terrible went wrong. yes, i missed you there, but for once, good of you not to have come. ;)

YouMe still in grave pain... >_<
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YouMe still in grave pain... >_<
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That's your version of events Yumi! :-) The vast majority of everyone else had a great time!

True, it was 'a bit' difficult(!) and everyone carted up everything to the top of the 'hill'... only to cart it back down again(!) as none of us were really all that hungry once there (more like exhausted! ...& def too tired to eat!!!) - Good 'stamina training though! ...and playing on our minds were the 4 that didn't venture up all the way to the top (you included) :-(

...but all of the countless msgs I've received (privately) have shown a 'thumbs up!' - and that they want more ...so something must have gone well... ;-)

Tell me, what would you have done, if you hadn't come along, eh? (Yeah, ok, probably had a great lie-in on Saturday morning!) ...but look at what you would have missed... Great company, going somewhere where you would never have gone otherwise, a chance to test your own limits, lots of (unbelievable) laughs (given the circumstances!) AND even Champagne at 8am! ;-D

Ok, it wasn't a 'hike' in the traditional Capricorne/Jasper sense of the term, but rather more like a 'Commandos' cliff assault', but we all had a great time nonetheless!!? ;-)

No pain - no gain! ;-D J.



(Friends? ...or am I still in the dog-house?!!) ... :-)
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That's your version of events Yumi! :-) The vast majority of everyone else had a great time!

True, it was 'a bit' difficult(!) and everyone carted up everything to the top of the 'hill'... only to cart it back down again(!) as none of us were really all that hungry once there (more like exhausted! ...& def too tired to eat!!!) - Good 'stamina training though! ...and playing on our minds were the 4 that didn't venture up all the way to the top (you included) :-(

...but all of the countless msgs I've received (privately) have shown a 'thumbs up!' - and that they want more ...so something must have gone well... ;-)

Tell me, what would you have done, if you hadn't come along, eh? (Yeah, ok, probably had a great lie-in on Saturday morning!) ...but look at what you would have missed... Great company, going somewhere where you would never have gone otherwise, a chance to test your own limits, lots of (unbelievable) laughs (given the circumstances!) AND even Champagne at 8am! ;-D

Ok, it wasn't a 'hike' in the traditional Capricorne/Jasper sense of the term, but rather more like a 'Commandos' cliff assault', but we all had a great time nonetheless!!? ;-)

No pain - no gain! ;-D J.



(Friends? ...or am I still in the dog-house?!!) ... :-)
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I would have gone had not have a wedding to attend! Glad to know friends were all safe. Night hike is completely different story! It is so much more tougher than day hike in a same route! It is neither about physical capacities nor genders or spirits, it is more about experience and if equipped properly. Both guide and participants need more or less what to expect from an adventurous trip if it meant to be one.

It sounded like a Sunday easy hike/picnic which turned out to be a scary/ slippery nigh rock/cliff climbing with only grocery torch??!!

JulianT, every story of each person counts.
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I would have gone had not have a wedding to attend! Glad to know friends were all safe. Night hike is completely different story! It is so much more tougher than day hike in a same route! It is neither about physical capacities nor genders or spirits, it is more about experience and if equipped properly. Both guide and participants need more or less what to expect from an adventurous trip if it meant to be one.

It sounded like a Sunday easy hike/picnic which turned out to be a scary/ slippery nigh rock/cliff climbing with only grocery torch??!!

JulianT, every story of each person counts.
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I dont know what it was like. But for once, Im glad I didnt join you because as usual, I would have brought Mini-me (Vanessa) Oh my God!
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I dont know what it was like. But for once, Im glad I didnt join you because as usual, I would have brought Mini-me (Vanessa) Oh my God!
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I've got a new nickname for you:
PINOCCHIO!!! (o"
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...reading these updated reviews... I split my sides every time! ...and (OMG) I daren't go back to the photos! ;-D ...I even see that Yumi has kept on going in another activity's review too! ...Ahh well, it keeps me young! ;-) J.
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it's comments from yor friends (or foes) like Archie, DoubleGin that inspire me to add add'l comments ontop of comments that keep coming thru.
if your sides are hurt'n from laughing, ask me if i care ;o) go on... read on.
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it's comments from yor friends (or foes) like Archie, DoubleGin that inspire me to add add'l comments ontop of comments that keep coming thru.
if your sides are hurt'n from laughing, ask me if i care ;o) go on... read on.
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Swiss, Youmeco and others - what can event organizers do better in future? What can make future adventure trips more enjoyable?

On another note, if spectacular sunrises charm other Glocals, try Rigi Klum (Vitznau/Lucerne). Introspective writers, poets, painters, adventurers, romantics have spoken highly of it. Mark Twain was one of those. Beyond the Alpine sunrise, a lot of other things to do in Lucerne and Vitznau area. Nature cuddles some of most spectacular scenery in and around the network of lakes in Lucerne... and then there is the wonderful food and music tradition! I have fond memories of my visits there.

To get to Rigi Klum, you can hike or just take the Rack-railway station right next to Vitznau boat stop.
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Swiss, Youmeco and others - what can event organizers do better in future? What can make future adventure trips more enjoyable?

On another note, if spectacular sunrises charm other Glocals, try Rigi Klum (Vitznau/Lucerne). Introspective writers, poets, painters, adventurers, romantics have spoken highly of it. Mark Twain was one of those. Beyond the Alpine sunrise, a lot of other things to do in Lucerne and Vitznau area. Nature cuddles some of most spectacular scenery in and around the network of lakes in Lucerne... and then there is the wonderful food and music tradition! I have fond memories of my visits there.

To get to Rigi Klum, you can hike or just take the Rack-railway station right next to Vitznau boat stop.
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...everyone's muscles have finally stopped screaming!...

Once again, you lot have been brilliant! :-) J.
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...is one of the many common sense rules hikers follow. Happy to hear you're all safe, but shit does really happen sometimes. 28 people died in the Swiss Alps this summer. Please respect the mountains and yourself. A 25 years of experience hiker once rescued by a helicopter speaking.
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http://www.cas-geneve.ch/
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Do they do rescue ops during night in Switzerland? Must be tough to locate the hiker or the team.

Wondering.... how would one do paragliding on a moonless night? Would be even more complicated in group flights.

May be with night vision goggles, it could be done.
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Do they do rescue ops during night in Switzerland? Must be tough to locate the hiker or the team.

Wondering.... how would one do paragliding on a moonless night? Would be even more complicated in group flights.

May be with night vision goggles, it could be done.
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i now verify with the hike organizers if they've hiked the trails before. i've finally gotten over the trauma and recently went hiking. An expedition in full daylight, great conditions and well marked trails was so much more enjoyable!
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They indeed have night vision devices, plus very powerfull light beems and obviously GPS 3D detailed maps (electric cables and various obstacles incl). The night I was rescued, we knew exactly where we where and could give them our precise coordinates thanks to the 1/25'000 scale map. We managed to light up a fire and had all appropriate moutainering gear, so we could have survided even without them coming. The rescue team has been very nice with us, recognising that the path had never been so icy at that period of year (they fell down when reaching the ground winched down) and this very part had already trapped some hikers before. But we felt pretty ashamed anyhow, and learnt the lesson: if you are running late on the schedule, always assume that the end of the path will be more difficult than the previous bit, and turn back or find a way out.

By the way, you don't pay anything to be recuded if you are a REGA donator. And it's only 50.-chf/ year. Realy worth it if you hike, ski or practice any outdoor activity (incl. driving on the highway).

And to answer your question, yes, it is possible to paraglide by night. Full moon flight are just incredible.
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They indeed have night vision devices, plus very powerfull light beems and obviously GPS 3D detailed maps (electric cables and various obstacles incl). The night I was rescued, we knew exactly where we where and could give them our precise coordinates thanks to the 1/25'000 scale map. We managed to light up a fire and had all appropriate moutainering gear, so we could have survided even without them coming. The rescue team has been very nice with us, recognising that the path had never been so icy at that period of year (they fell down when reaching the ground winched down) and this very part had already trapped some hikers before. But we felt pretty ashamed anyhow, and learnt the lesson: if you are running late on the schedule, always assume that the end of the path will be more difficult than the previous bit, and turn back or find a way out.

By the way, you don't pay anything to be recuded if you are a REGA donator. And it's only 50.-chf/ year. Realy worth it if you hike, ski or practice any outdoor activity (incl. driving on the highway).

And to answer your question, yes, it is possible to paraglide by night. Full moon flight are just incredible.
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Hi Hobbes,
great tip! I'd only heard of REGA in one of JT's photo commentary, but now having looked at their website (http://www.rega.ch/en/start_en.aspx) I have a whole new appreciation for them.
This must be the cheapest insurance policy around.
You're looking at a new member ;)

btw, it's actually cheaper than what you quoted:

CHF 30.- Individual
CHF 40.- One-parent family (single parents and children under the age of 18)
CHF 60.- Couple (married couple or partners living at the same address)
CHF 70.- Family (parents and children under the age of 18)

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Hi Hobbes,
great tip! I'd only heard of REGA in one of JT's photo commentary, but now having looked at their website (http://www.rega.ch/en/start_en.aspx) I have a whole new appreciation for them.
This must be the cheapest insurance policy around.
You're looking at a new member ;)

btw, it's actually cheaper than what you quoted:

CHF 30.- Individual
CHF 40.- One-parent family (single parents and children under the age of 18)
CHF 60.- Couple (married couple or partners living at the same address)
CHF 70.- Family (parents and children under the age of 18)

YouMe
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Syd_Brown had suggested this back in late June in the General Forum. The thread was "Enjoy dangerous sports..." As Syd noted then, REGA seems to be really good and covers flight back to Switzerland even if you get injured in foreign countries.

I am interested in something equivalent of REGA in the USA. If anyone know anything, send me a note.

Hobbes - if you want to organize a night paragliding, I may be interested. I have done skydiving in near-full moon. Memorable experience indeed. Would new-REGA-member Youmeco agree to being the designated journalist for night paragliding? - she is good at writing captivating journals.
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I am interested in something equivalent of REGA in the USA. If anyone know anything, send me a note.

Hobbes - if you want to organize a night paragliding, I may be interested. I have done skydiving in near-full moon. Memorable experience indeed. Would new-REGA-member Youmeco agree to being the designated journalist for night paragliding? - she is good at writing captivating journals.
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Sure i have heard you say we are all your family...so 70 chf and you have us all insured for these escapades :-)
But i do have the REGA insurance...luckily not needed their help so far
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The compulsory yearly bicycle tags people so often forget to put on, are even a better bargain. They cost 6.- chf, are valid within all Europe, and cover costs of damages done on others up to 2'000'000.- chf. They are valid until 1st June of the following year. So, it might still be a good idea to get a 2007 one, if you don't have one yet.
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The compulsory yearly bicycle tags people so often forget to put on, are even a better bargain. They cost 6.- chf, are valid within all Europe, and cover costs of damages done on others up to 2'000'000.- chf. They are valid until 1st June of the following year. So, it might still be a good idea to get a 2007 one, if you don't have one yet.
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And do you need one for each bike, or per person that cycles them?
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One per bike. In sport / cycle shops too
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tks! (nt)
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Since we are celebrating a year since this infamous midnight hike... and having a party in honor of the man who started this most-talked-about event ever, I thought I'd resurect it from the archives so the newer members can read up on the reference to this 'Break-O-Dawn' hike for this Wednesday's quiz game in special honor of JulianT's actual birthdate. :D

and some visuals to go along with it ;)
Notice, the blood trail? that's what our inspirational leader JT sent us upto :crazy:

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Since we are celebrating a year since this infamous midnight hike... and having a party in honor of the man who started this most-talked-about event ever, I thought I'd resurect it from the archives so the newer members can read up on the reference to this 'Break-O-Dawn' hike for this Wednesday's quiz game in special honor of JulianT's actual birthdate. :D

and some visuals to go along with it ;)
Notice, the blood trail? that's what our inspirational leader JT sent us upto :crazy:


YouMeCo, Aug 12, 08 05:27

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