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We are lucky on glocals to have so many scientists (both cern and 'non-cern'!) as members. so i'm hoping someone with a logical mind (i'm thinking hayes, whovian, free...etc) could give me their opinion on the following. I am constantly frustrated by the gap between established medicine and the medical care we all want. i am particularly unhappy with the fact that a non scientist, such as myself, is left to feel alone and adrift in world divided into two blocks. On one side we have the uncaring professionals, set in their ways and unprepared to even consider new methods of treatments. The other block consists of loonatics selling new ideas based on no evidence what so ever. it all seems so cruel - especially when time is of the essence to the people we love who are ill.  let me give you an example of this cruelty. this link brings you to an article which claims to tell the tale of a man who found the cure for cancer back in the 1930's but who's life work was destroyed by the pharmaceutical industry. before you read it let me tell you that no evidence of any kind is presented. but it is interesting in its questioning of the motives of the health industry. now look at this research paper

http://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/genetic_effects_of_nonionizing_electromagnetic_fields.pdf

by a man called Henry Lai, from the Dept of Bioengineering in the University of Washington. This would appear to be 'real' science' - to my untrained eye at least. but Lai too claims to have been targeted by big business

(http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/march05/wakeupcall01.html  ) for getting too close to some important scientific 'truths' (i emphasize the word 'claims'). Important to note that the research paper deals with a possible method for the destruction of cancer cells while the 'intimidation' was connected to his research on cell phones.

so my question is this, is the division of the world into the two aforementioned blocks of surly uncaring professionals and professional loonies a simple consequence of the fact that new, valuable research may be being suppressed by organisations who's raison d'etre is manifestly not to preserve human life. again look at the article (yes the mad one) on the cancer cure -esp the first five paragraphs. i repeat and admit, the lack of evidence is appalling thus i can't believe a word of it. but if you ask yourself who would truly benefit from a cure for cancer one is forced to admit that a lot of very powerful organisiations would suffer financially from any cure. here is the big question....is it logical to expect a cure for cancer to ever be discovered if we live in a civilisation where many of the most powerful organisations benefit directly from the continued suffereing of cancer patients. surely it is not a conspiracy theory to point out that a cheap and readily available cure for cancer, should it ever be discovered, would pose a terrifying threat to, among others, the pharmaceutical industry. we should be realistic about this and see cancer not just as a medical problem but as a social and political problem. again, is it not naieve to expect effective, once and for all cures to be produced by organisations whose motivations are based on money and not love. the motivation of the husband watching his sick wife die is a galaxy away from the motivation fuelling the boardrooms and the r&d departments of the pharma industry giants. 

bruce lipton is a new-agey 'scientist' selling ideas that are really 'out there' (he has his own theory of evolution for example based on the idea that mutations can occur outside of reproduction). i have to admit, as a lay person many of his ideas (not all!) seem, at least interesting. but what frustrates me is that my doctor wont respond to any questions on this! so again it seems lay people are presented with the choice of having no possibility for new treatments (established medicine) or trying new treatments which no respectable doctor would be seen dead advocating. where is the middle ground?

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We are lucky on glocals to have so many scientists (both cern and 'non-cern'!) as members. so i'm hoping someone with a logical mind (i'm thinking hayes, whovian, free...etc) could give me their opinion on the following. I am constantly frustrated by the gap between established medicine and the medical care we all want. i am particularly unhappy with the fact that a non scientist, such as myself, is left to feel alone and adrift in world divided into two blocks. On one side we have the uncaring professionals, set in their ways and unprepared to even consider new methods of treatments. The other block consists of loonatics selling new ideas based on no evidence what so ever. it all seems so cruel - especially when time is of the essence to the people we love who are ill.  let me give you an example of this cruelty. this link brings you to an article which claims to tell the tale of a man who found the cure for cancer back in the 1930's but who's life work was destroyed by the pharmaceutical industry. before you read it let me tell you that no evidence of any kind is presented. but it is interesting in its questioning of the motives of the health industry. now look at this research paper

http://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/genetic_effects_of_nonionizing_electromagnetic_fields.pdf

by a man called Henry Lai, from the Dept of Bioengineering in the University of Washington. This would appear to be 'real' science' - to my untrained eye at least. but Lai too claims to have been targeted by big business

(http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/march05/wakeupcall01.html  ) for getting too close to some important scientific 'truths' (i emphasize the word 'claims'). Important to note that the research paper deals with a possible method for the destruction of cancer cells while the 'intimidation' was connected to his research on cell phones.

so my question is this, is the division of the world into the two aforementioned blocks of surly uncaring professionals and professional loonies a simple consequence of the fact that new, valuable research may be being suppressed by organisations who's raison d'etre is manifestly not to preserve human life. again look at the article (yes the mad one) on the cancer cure -esp the first five paragraphs. i repeat and admit, the lack of evidence is appalling thus i can't believe a word of it. but if you ask yourself who would truly benefit from a cure for cancer one is forced to admit that a lot of very powerful organisiations would suffer financially from any cure. here is the big question....is it logical to expect a cure for cancer to ever be discovered if we live in a civilisation where many of the most powerful organisations benefit directly from the continued suffereing of cancer patients. surely it is not a conspiracy theory to point out that a cheap and readily available cure for cancer, should it ever be discovered, would pose a terrifying threat to, among others, the pharmaceutical industry. we should be realistic about this and see cancer not just as a medical problem but as a social and political problem. again, is it not naieve to expect effective, once and for all cures to be produced by organisations whose motivations are based on money and not love. the motivation of the husband watching his sick wife die is a galaxy away from the motivation fuelling the boardrooms and the r&d departments of the pharma industry giants. 

bruce lipton is a new-agey 'scientist' selling ideas that are really 'out there' (he has his own theory of evolution for example based on the idea that mutations can occur outside of reproduction). i have to admit, as a lay person many of his ideas (not all!) seem, at least interesting. but what frustrates me is that my doctor wont respond to any questions on this! so again it seems lay people are presented with the choice of having no possibility for new treatments (established medicine) or trying new treatments which no respectable doctor would be seen dead advocating. where is the middle ground?
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Thanks for the reply Whovian.

here's a graph from msnbc showing how much individuals have to pay for their cancer treatment. it's hardly comprehensive but it gives us some kind of an idea. now imagine a drug or therapy that could cure cancer in one go. the money the drug companies would lose would be immense.

example: A drug for pancreatic cancer — an especially deadly cancer with few treatment options — can cost $4,000 a month.

(the website is http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23783216/  )

example: A drug for pancreatic cancer — an especially deadly cancer with few treatment options — can cost $4,000 a month.

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Thanks for the reply Whovian.

here's a graph from msnbc showing how much individuals have to pay for their cancer treatment. it's hardly comprehensive but it gives us some kind of an idea. now imagine a drug or therapy that could cure cancer in one go. the money the drug companies would lose would be immense.

example: A drug for pancreatic cancer — an especially deadly cancer with few treatment options — can cost $4,000 a month.

(the website is http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23783216/  )

example: A drug for pancreatic cancer — an especially deadly cancer with few treatment options — can cost $4,000 a month.
manics1984, Feb 22, 2009 @ 19:01

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The science & politics of cancer:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_4YkekV9A



This is just one of numerous sources who talk of the reality of cancer and cancer "cure." I personally know people who have healed themselves naturally. Pharmaceutical companies keep people in the dark. Its a big business. My cousin doctor doesn't even fully agree with me, no surprise since he went through the university/pharma machine.



But I'm sure I'll be lauded as one of those...you know...



Whatever...
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The science & politics of cancer:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_4YkekV9A



This is just one of numerous sources who talk of the reality of cancer and cancer "cure." I personally know people who have healed themselves naturally. Pharmaceutical companies keep people in the dark. Its a big business. My cousin doctor doesn't even fully agree with me, no surprise since he went through the university/pharma machine.



But I'm sure I'll be lauded as one of those...you know...



Whatever...
hrv_nomad, Feb 26, 2009 @ 11:03
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All very interesting but wouldn't it be in the interests of a pharmacutical company to patent any cure? It could then make untold riches selling it to the world.

Big business isn't inherently bad, it's just business and a cure for cancer would be very good business indeed :)

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All very interesting but wouldn't it be in the interests of a pharmacutical company to patent any cure? It could then make untold riches selling it to the world.

Big business isn't inherently bad, it's just business and a cure for cancer would be very good business indeed :)
Spikey, Feb 26, 2009 @ 11:14

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Well, its the same deal with marijuana. Marijuana has anti-cancer properties and heals or controls many diseases, but is illegal in many countries.



The problem is, you can grow marijuana for free! So you wouldn't need anyone selling you a cure. Pretty much the same thing with the cancer "cure."
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Well, its the same deal with marijuana. Marijuana has anti-cancer properties and heals or controls many diseases, but is illegal in many countries.



The problem is, you can grow marijuana for free! So you wouldn't need anyone selling you a cure. Pretty much the same thing with the cancer "cure."
hrv_nomad, Feb 26, 2009 @ 11:40
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Sure, sure...I gues it would depend upon the nature of the cure. If it would be a vaccine such as the case with TB then you could potentially wipe out the disease (and the sustainability of your business).

But then you get the demographic problems of aging populations, over-population, pension requirements, which would screw up economies the world over...I'll throw that red meat to the conspiracy theorists to enjoy ;)

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Sure, sure...I gues it would depend upon the nature of the cure. If it would be a vaccine such as the case with TB then you could potentially wipe out the disease (and the sustainability of your business).

But then you get the demographic problems of aging populations, over-population, pension requirements, which would screw up economies the world over...I'll throw that red meat to the conspiracy theorists to enjoy ;)
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I have a doctor he in Geneva, who speaks very good English, who thinks like you, nearly!!, could be better than your current situ - do you want his contact details???

Siobhan.

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Siobhan.
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at the originator of the discussion of course. :)

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at the originator of the discussion of course. :)
SiobhanC, Feb 26, 2009 @ 17:01

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 Due to some unexpected health contrariété that fell on my shoulders 8 years ago, and the unability of conventional medical wisdom to help me confront it, I didn't have any other choice than creating my own treatment


 


I eventually came up with a body-exercising based technique that blocked the problem, caused amazing changes in pilosity and muscle volume, and that provided me with a 'one size' toolset for most health and soul problems I may have had in my life.


 


Whether you in fact use ultra-expensive products made by the Pfizers or the Novartis,  take organic frog saliva, or try the aromatherapy thing to deal with your health, in all three cases you are on the passive side of things.


 


When you look for the right body exercise that will have to make you feel the evil you have at some place in the body is reducing in size, you are taking your own destiny in hands. Especially if you can automatize this exercise so it replicates at will.


 


I have come to believe most, most diseases on earth can be treated if you do the right body exercize.


 


Just to give an example :  take a sandow, put it around your waist, slip your index finger underneath it and press its second joint against it.  Don't you feel there is something you're rebuilding in the eye area ?


 


For most, if not every 'damaged' part you might have in the body:  there is another one - most probably several others - that you can activate to help repare or rebuild it. 


 


Regards


 


B.


 


 


 


 

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 Due to some unexpected health contrariété that fell on my shoulders 8 years ago, and the unability of conventional medical wisdom to help me confront it, I didn't have any other choice than creating my own treatment


 


I eventually came up with a body-exercising based technique that blocked the problem, caused amazing changes in pilosity and muscle volume, and that provided me with a 'one size' toolset for most health and soul problems I may have had in my life.


 


Whether you in fact use ultra-expensive products made by the Pfizers or the Novartis,  take organic frog saliva, or try the aromatherapy thing to deal with your health, in all three cases you are on the passive side of things.


 


When you look for the right body exercise that will have to make you feel the evil you have at some place in the body is reducing in size, you are taking your own destiny in hands. Especially if you can automatize this exercise so it replicates at will.


 


I have come to believe most, most diseases on earth can be treated if you do the right body exercize.


 


Just to give an example :  take a sandow, put it around your waist, slip your index finger underneath it and press its second joint against it.  Don't you feel there is something you're rebuilding in the eye area ?


 


For most, if not every 'damaged' part you might have in the body:  there is another one - most probably several others - that you can activate to help repare or rebuild it. 


 


Regards


 


B.


 


 


 


 


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How about a cure for MS and ALS also ...  That has also been long in the tooth to arrive...

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How about a cure for MS and ALS also ...  That has also been long in the tooth to arrive...


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Ah, I love the smell of conspiracy theory in the evening… 
 
On the one side, we have the „uncaring professionals“ (their parents and friend probably never get cancer) claiming to do research, but „unprepared to even consider new methods of treatments.“ But at least, he hasn’t much more sympathy fort he loonatics (sic). 
 
Manics1984 then links a pdf, that can no longer be read and a article about Lai who did publish some peer reviewed papers about cancer treatments, but I didn’t find any about his work about radiation causing DNA damage.  
 
(source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed)  
 
Science is all about peer review. When your claimed results are not repeatable by other scientists, something is usually fishy. Probably less, if you are a conspiracy theorist… 
 
(source: http://www.emfandhealth.com/EMF&Health%20Levitt%20&%20Lai.html) 
 
We all heard the stories, about the oil sheiks knowing how to build a car which drives on water. Most of us have also heard about the stories, that there is a treatment for (insert illness of your choice) but the evil pharmaceutical companies make more money this way. 
 
And it is true rue, the international horse buggy society were able to hide the invention of the car which Leonardo da Vinci invented in the 1480 for over four hundred years! (This was ironic). 
 
It doesn’t matter a bit, that a cheap cure for cancer would hurt some companies. There are many others (scientists and companies) who would like to get a piece of that cake.  
 
There is no working alternative medicine. Homeopathy is crap. Chiropractic is crap. Acupuncture is crap. Yeah, I will get hatemail for telling the truth, but individual claims does not equal scientific proven fact. Else angles, near death experiences, gods and demons would be scientific. They are not. If an alternative medicine works, it becomes medicine. And I don’t think, your doctor should waste his time with unproven claims. 
 
Next point you bring up, is that the cost of cancer treatment has exploded. 
 
„The percentage of women likely to survive breast cancer for at least 10 years has jumped from less than 40 per cent to 77 per cent while the proportion of people likely to survive bowel cancer has risen from 23 per cent to 50 per cent.“ 
 
(source: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/news/archive/pressrelease/2010-07-12-deadly-cancer-survival-doubles) 
 
So being able to live longer comes with a price. I agree with the MSNBC article that sometimes, the price is too high compared with the results. 
 
Then hrv_nomad links a video by G. Edward Griffin who since 1974 claims that he is able to heal cancer. He also claims, that there was a global flood and he found Noah’s ark. Yeah, right. Back to cancer. Who would believe, that his cancer cure, if it would work, would not have spread through the internet or even by word of mouth. Lets not forget, there are millions dying of cancer every year. But somehow, people surviving cancer with Griffin’s treatment are more sparse than Santa’s little helpers in the North Pole. 
 
Not even his cousin can convince hrv_nomad, that he is not part of a global conspiracy. So what chance do I have. But, if you believe in conspiracy theories, you are a conspiracy theorist. 
 
I shouldn’t even start with b. g. But here I go: Can you heal cancer or HIV or at least regrow limbs?  

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Ah, I love the smell of conspiracy theory in the evening… 
 
On the one side, we have the „uncaring professionals“ (their parents and friend probably never get cancer) claiming to do research, but „unprepared to even consider new methods of treatments.“ But at least, he hasn’t much more sympathy fort he loonatics (sic). 
 
Manics1984 then links a pdf, that can no longer be read and a article about Lai who did publish some peer reviewed papers about cancer treatments, but I didn’t find any about his work about radiation causing DNA damage.  
 
(source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed)  
 
Science is all about peer review. When your claimed results are not repeatable by other scientists, something is usually fishy. Probably less, if you are a conspiracy theorist… 
 
(source: http://www.emfandhealth.com/EMF&Health%20Levitt%20&%20Lai.html) 
 
We all heard the stories, about the oil sheiks knowing how to build a car which drives on water. Most of us have also heard about the stories, that there is a treatment for (insert illness of your choice) but the evil pharmaceutical companies make more money this way. 
 
And it is true rue, the international horse buggy society were able to hide the invention of the car which Leonardo da Vinci invented in the 1480 for over four hundred years! (This was ironic). 
 
It doesn’t matter a bit, that a cheap cure for cancer would hurt some companies. There are many others (scientists and companies) who would like to get a piece of that cake.  
 
There is no working alternative medicine. Homeopathy is crap. Chiropractic is crap. Acupuncture is crap. Yeah, I will get hatemail for telling the truth, but individual claims does not equal scientific proven fact. Else angles, near death experiences, gods and demons would be scientific. They are not. If an alternative medicine works, it becomes medicine. And I don’t think, your doctor should waste his time with unproven claims. 
 
Next point you bring up, is that the cost of cancer treatment has exploded. 
 
„The percentage of women likely to survive breast cancer for at least 10 years has jumped from less than 40 per cent to 77 per cent while the proportion of people likely to survive bowel cancer has risen from 23 per cent to 50 per cent.“ 
 
(source: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/news/archive/pressrelease/2010-07-12-deadly-cancer-survival-doubles) 
 
So being able to live longer comes with a price. I agree with the MSNBC article that sometimes, the price is too high compared with the results. 
 
Then hrv_nomad links a video by G. Edward Griffin who since 1974 claims that he is able to heal cancer. He also claims, that there was a global flood and he found Noah’s ark. Yeah, right. Back to cancer. Who would believe, that his cancer cure, if it would work, would not have spread through the internet or even by word of mouth. Lets not forget, there are millions dying of cancer every year. But somehow, people surviving cancer with Griffin’s treatment are more sparse than Santa’s little helpers in the North Pole. 
 
Not even his cousin can convince hrv_nomad, that he is not part of a global conspiracy. So what chance do I have. But, if you believe in conspiracy theories, you are a conspiracy theorist. 
 
I shouldn’t even start with b. g. But here I go: Can you heal cancer or HIV or at least regrow limbs?  


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Cancer treatment today is one of the world's most concerning scams.  Based on a cost - in France - of EUR 150'000 per patient, it transforms countries such as France, Greece or Italy into financial Costa Concordias - ships that were meant to cruise the world but will never be afloat anymore.  Taking advantage of the universal coverage existing in our countries, pharmaceutical companies can set prices based only on the targets they were given for revenue projections by financial analysts.


 


I recall the day my mom told me she had some cancer.  The day before she still looked terrific - like apparently so many of the people that get back from some doctor's appointment with bad news. A couple months later she started some chemotherapy treatment, and was basically four-legged on the way home.  We asked here is she had told the doctors she was being so much brutalized by this treatment.  She told us : "yes, I told him, but he told me that's cancer".


 


The same brutality that this scam took my mother's life away with, I'd like to see her applied against this industry that no matter how many lifes are still to be lost, how many countries are still to be brought to insolvency, is going to continue with its predation if it's not prevented from doing so.


 


 


 


 

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Cancer treatment today is one of the world's most concerning scams.  Based on a cost - in France - of EUR 150'000 per patient, it transforms countries such as France, Greece or Italy into financial Costa Concordias - ships that were meant to cruise the world but will never be afloat anymore.  Taking advantage of the universal coverage existing in our countries, pharmaceutical companies can set prices based only on the targets they were given for revenue projections by financial analysts.


 


I recall the day my mom told me she had some cancer.  The day before she still looked terrific - like apparently so many of the people that get back from some doctor's appointment with bad news. A couple months later she started some chemotherapy treatment, and was basically four-legged on the way home.  We asked here is she had told the doctors she was being so much brutalized by this treatment.  She told us : "yes, I told him, but he told me that's cancer".


 


The same brutality that this scam took my mother's life away with, I'd like to see her applied against this industry that no matter how many lifes are still to be lost, how many countries are still to be brought to insolvency, is going to continue with its predation if it's not prevented from doing so.


 


 


 


 


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As there are very different types of cancer, a claim that cancer treatment costs EUR 150'000.00 per patient, should be take with some degree of caution. Especially as the poster is prone to hyperbole, based on his posts here.


If b.g can produce a working cancer cure based on spit and cat hair for EUR 100.00, be my guest...


Cancer treatments have side effects. But if you fear those, at least as far as I know, noone forces you (or your mother) to go through with the treatment. When my mother was diagnosed with cancer, she knew what she was getting herself into and she was told the effects of the treatment.


You go further and claim, that it was not the cancer, that killed your mother, but the treatment and that you would like to murder member of the industry in the fashion as your mother did.


On the one hand, I can feel your loss as I too lost my mother to cancer. On the other hand, I am really fed up with this conspiracy BS and especially with your willingness to murder other human beings based on BS claims.


Last point. Countries will not go bankrupt due to cancer treatment. Pharmaceutical have already stopped sending medicine to countries like Greece, if they don't get paid first.


"Panic in Greek pharmacies as hundreds of medicines run short  Pharmaceutical companies accused of cutting supplies because of low profits and unpaid bills"


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/27/greece-blames-drug-companies-shortages

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As there are very different types of cancer, a claim that cancer treatment costs EUR 150'000.00 per patient, should be take with some degree of caution. Especially as the poster is prone to hyperbole, based on his posts here.


If b.g can produce a working cancer cure based on spit and cat hair for EUR 100.00, be my guest...


Cancer treatments have side effects. But if you fear those, at least as far as I know, noone forces you (or your mother) to go through with the treatment. When my mother was diagnosed with cancer, she knew what she was getting herself into and she was told the effects of the treatment.


You go further and claim, that it was not the cancer, that killed your mother, but the treatment and that you would like to murder member of the industry in the fashion as your mother did.


On the one hand, I can feel your loss as I too lost my mother to cancer. On the other hand, I am really fed up with this conspiracy BS and especially with your willingness to murder other human beings based on BS claims.


Last point. Countries will not go bankrupt due to cancer treatment. Pharmaceutical have already stopped sending medicine to countries like Greece, if they don't get paid first.


"Panic in Greek pharmacies as hundreds of medicines run short  Pharmaceutical companies accused of cutting supplies because of low profits and unpaid bills"


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/27/greece-blames-drug-companies-shortages


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http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/Agaricus.htm there are a few things called agaricus, but a certain kind is considered to be good

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It's extremely concerning that on top of reproducing PR-session acquired - looking arguments on behalf of the drug industry, Alan S and his professional tone would accuse someone talking about the real life story of a lost relative to want anybody to be murdered. It's in fact the very procedure he's advocating the use of that apparently cause for a number of people to prematurely die, and when one knows the hundred of millions spent each year by drug companies to big NYC PR firms, one can frankly wonder if Alan S isn't just one of the little hands those hire to do the web-forum part of their mandate.


 


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It's extremely concerning that on top of reproducing PR-session acquired - looking arguments on behalf of the drug industry, Alan S and his professional tone would accuse someone talking about the real life story of a lost relative to want anybody to be murdered. It's in fact the very procedure he's advocating the use of that apparently cause for a number of people to prematurely die, and when one knows the hundred of millions spent each year by drug companies to big NYC PR firms, one can frankly wonder if Alan S isn't just one of the little hands those hire to do the web-forum part of their mandate.


 


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b. g, Jul 16, 2013 @ 13:33
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I am retracting my statement that b. g thinks abouts "murder other human beings based on BS claims." Sadly, I we are not able to edit posts.

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Alan S, Jul 16, 2013 @ 14:32
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Nobody heard of the work of Georges Lakhovsky, a russian who lived in France. ?


 


Quite interesting.

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Nobody heard of the work of Georges Lakhovsky, a russian who lived in France. ?


 


Quite interesting.


bertrand hubert r, Jul 16, 2013 @ 15:59
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Could you please elaborate ?  People that part to this thread are kind of busy.


 


[quote] I am retracting my statement that b. g thinks abouts "murder other human beings based on BS claims." [/quote]


 


Appreciate the note.  And no, I was not talking about brutalizing people but the preeminence of some industry only.


 


 


 

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Could you please elaborate ?  People that part to this thread are kind of busy.


 


[quote] I am retracting my statement that b. g thinks abouts "murder other human beings based on BS claims." [/quote]


 


Appreciate the note.  And no, I was not talking about brutalizing people but the preeminence of some industry only.


 


 


 


b. g, Jul 17, 2013 @ 16:00
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