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Does anyone know why this is opening so much later in Switzerland than in the rest of the world? It premieres toady in the UK and US, and various other places, but not in Switzerland for another couple of weeks!



Not sure I can wait that long....



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Does anyone know why this is opening so much later in Switzerland than in the rest of the world? It premieres toady in the UK and US, and various other places, but not in Switzerland for another couple of weeks!



Not sure I can wait that long....



Any ideas?
chavyboyJul 18, 2008 @ 14:25
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I'd been wondering as well when that would open in Switzerland. That film has gotten some of the best reviews that I've ever read... It sounds amazing, and I'm anxious to see it...
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I'd been wondering as well when that would open in Switzerland. That film has gotten some of the best reviews that I've ever read... It sounds amazing, and I'm anxious to see it...
gkellum, Jul 18, 2008 @ 15:34
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I know it premieres in France Aug 13th. The list of premieres by country did not include Switzerland, but I am assuming it will be around the time when it premieres in France.
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I know it premieres in France Aug 13th. The list of premieres by country did not include Switzerland, but I am assuming it will be around the time when it premieres in France.
parisdepaul, Jul 18, 2008 @ 16:14
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I'm also looking forward to watching this film.

I really liked Batman Begins (2005). The story treatment was really good. Hope the sequel is just as good, as reviews claim.

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I'm also looking forward to watching this film.

I really liked Batman Begins (2005). The story treatment was really good. Hope the sequel is just as good, as reviews claim.
Jay-Ann, Jul 18, 2008 @ 16:35

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I really want to see it because I lived in Chicago during the filming so I saw a lot of it. Actually one night they filmed right outside my window and I saw the Batmobile..

The film was using a cover name of "Rory's First Kiss" so that the filming would not gather too much attention.

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I really want to see it because I lived in Chicago during the filming so I saw a lot of it. Actually one night they filmed right outside my window and I saw the Batmobile..

The film was using a cover name of "Rory's First Kiss" so that the filming would not gather too much attention.
parisdepaul, Jul 18, 2008 @ 16:45

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It will be shown at Orange Cinema ( Cinelac) on  13 August at 1215 hrs at Geneva Port Noir
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It will be shown at Orange Cinema ( Cinelac) on  13 August at 1215 hrs at Geneva Port Noir
genevorine, Jul 18, 2008 @ 17:05
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they used the title "Rory's First Kiss" but had 'Rory' coming out of the batmobile!!! Muahahaha! i'd love to see them explain that one away! :D

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they used the title "Rory's First Kiss" but had 'Rory' coming out of the batmobile!!! Muahahaha! i'd love to see them explain that one away! :D
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Parisdepaul......

Same here,we lived in Chicago and went back for a visit last year when they were finishing filming.Cant wait to see it as alot was filmed were we used to live and were my husband used to work.So we can be really boring to people ....i used to go to the starbucks there etc!!!!!

Also used to love watching ER.We kept an episode as it was filmed outside our apartment block!(how sad):D
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Parisdepaul......

Same here,we lived in Chicago and went back for a visit last year when they were finishing filming.Cant wait to see it as alot was filmed were we used to live and were my husband used to work.So we can be really boring to people ....i used to go to the starbucks there etc!!!!!

Also used to love watching ER.We kept an episode as it was filmed outside our apartment block!(how sad):D
Nookes, Jul 18, 2008 @ 18:27
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Yeah, I once saw ER filmed by my university (DePaul).. you know Demon Dogs (now gone)? Well they were filming Maura Turney's kidnapping scene there and created a fake drive-thru for Demon Dogs eventhough it didn't have one.
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Yeah, I once saw ER filmed by my university (DePaul).. you know Demon Dogs (now gone)? Well they were filming Maura Turney's kidnapping scene there and created a fake drive-thru for Demon Dogs eventhough it didn't have one.
parisdepaul, Jul 18, 2008 @ 20:55
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by the time it comes out to Switzerland.. this film may already be shown on some of the long haul in-flights.  Like MadMoney, i saw it few months ago on the plane, but found out that it's only now playing in the movies here.

if you're really desparate to see it, take an easy jet to London to catch the film :P

ok.. it's not environmentall friendly i agree, but i always look at is as, at least the planes are flying full(er) and not empty.  :ermm:

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by the time it comes out to Switzerland.. this film may already be shown on some of the long haul in-flights.  Like MadMoney, i saw it few months ago on the plane, but found out that it's only now playing in the movies here.

if you're really desparate to see it, take an easy jet to London to catch the film :P

ok.. it's not environmentall friendly i agree, but i always look at is as, at least the planes are flying full(er) and not empty.  :ermm:
YouMeCo, Jul 18, 2008 @ 21:49

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What makes me mad is that I decided not to watch it in Bangkok 2 days ago thinking I'll watch it here. Rhaaaaa! :crazy:
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What makes me mad is that I decided not to watch it in Bangkok 2 days ago thinking I'll watch it here. Rhaaaaa! :crazy:
SwissDiver, Jul 19, 2008 @ 17:12
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Saw it. Liked it. Recommend it.

What can I write to make it relevant for the General Forum and without spoiling the movie for everyone?

I can start by... yep, the shots in Chicago are well done. Wacker Dr, LaSalle, Lake... feature prominently. Chicago-dreaming expats will have their fill.

The dialogues are well written, and well delivered. The movie feels a lot, lot more than a screen version of a comic strip. The characters have depth. The dialogues and the story lay out specific situational dilemmas that the viewer may end up asking herself or himself or their friends after the movie... what would you do?

I felt "The Dark Knight" is one of the better movies to be released in many years. I felt pleasantly absorbed by its philosophical undercurrents... such as 

- how differently each one of us compensates or strengthens from our pasts, our childhoods or our environments? How the same situation can bring out the worst within us, or bring the best within us... the fears or the hopes, the hate or the love, the endless worries or the passionate confidence

- how little, or lot, does it take for something to switch us from wanting to be compassionate to wanting revenge, from being hopeful to being fearful, from pursuing our dreams to becoming utterly hopeless. Can greed for money, or greed for power, or greed for fame plunge us from being good to being evil, or just the indifferent "I don't care"? If not greed, will pain plunge us? Will the death of a loved one, or unfair treatment at a job or racial discrimination by some, or a broken relationship, or such trauma plunge us... Can we remain hopeful and good and polite, no matter what? Can hope and tomorrow win over all the hate and yesterdays of this world?

No, these are not new questions. These have been asked before. Many times. Most religions such as Buddhism, Zoroastrianism ask such questions with themes such as the light and the dark. Christopher Marlowe and Goethe raise these questions in their masterpieces such as Faust. We have Plato's Socrates, St Augustine, introspective writings of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and so many more... Same questions. Eternal questions. Real questions... that each one of us faces, every now and then.

So, yeah! I recommend this movie. And if you know of books or movie that harbor such philosophical undercurrents, send me a note and let me know.

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Saw it. Liked it. Recommend it.

What can I write to make it relevant for the General Forum and without spoiling the movie for everyone?

I can start by... yep, the shots in Chicago are well done. Wacker Dr, LaSalle, Lake... feature prominently. Chicago-dreaming expats will have their fill.

The dialogues are well written, and well delivered. The movie feels a lot, lot more than a screen version of a comic strip. The characters have depth. The dialogues and the story lay out specific situational dilemmas that the viewer may end up asking herself or himself or their friends after the movie... what would you do?

I felt "The Dark Knight" is one of the better movies to be released in many years. I felt pleasantly absorbed by its philosophical undercurrents... such as 

- how differently each one of us compensates or strengthens from our pasts, our childhoods or our environments? How the same situation can bring out the worst within us, or bring the best within us... the fears or the hopes, the hate or the love, the endless worries or the passionate confidence

- how little, or lot, does it take for something to switch us from wanting to be compassionate to wanting revenge, from being hopeful to being fearful, from pursuing our dreams to becoming utterly hopeless. Can greed for money, or greed for power, or greed for fame plunge us from being good to being evil, or just the indifferent "I don't care"? If not greed, will pain plunge us? Will the death of a loved one, or unfair treatment at a job or racial discrimination by some, or a broken relationship, or such trauma plunge us... Can we remain hopeful and good and polite, no matter what? Can hope and tomorrow win over all the hate and yesterdays of this world?

No, these are not new questions. These have been asked before. Many times. Most religions such as Buddhism, Zoroastrianism ask such questions with themes such as the light and the dark. Christopher Marlowe and Goethe raise these questions in their masterpieces such as Faust. We have Plato's Socrates, St Augustine, introspective writings of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and so many more... Same questions. Eternal questions. Real questions... that each one of us faces, every now and then.

So, yeah! I recommend this movie. And if you know of books or movie that harbor such philosophical undercurrents, send me a note and let me know.
colorado, Jul 21, 2008 @ 18:26

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[quote]Saw it. Liked it. Recommend it.



What can I write to make it relevant for the General Forum and without spoiling the movie for everyone?



I can start by... yep, the shots in Chicago are well done. Wacker Dr, LaSalle, Lake... feature prominently. Chicago-dreaming expats will have their fill.



The dialogues are well written, and well delivered. The movie feels a lot, lotmore than a screen version of acomic strip.The characters have depth. The dialogues and the story lay out specific situational dilemmas that the viewer may end up asking herself or himself or their friends after the movie... what wouldyou do?



I felt "The Dark Knight" isone of the better movies to be released in many years. Ifelt pleasantly absorbed byits philosophical undercurrents... such as



- how differently each one of us compensates or strengthens fromour pasts, our childhoods orour environments? How the same situation can bring out the worstwithin us, or bring the best within us... the fears or the hopes, the hate or the love, the endless worries or the passionate confidence



- how little, or lot, does it take for something to switch us from wanting to be compassionate to wanting revenge, from being hopeful to being fearful, from pursuing our dreams to becoming utterly hopeless. Can greed for money, or greed for power, or greed for fame plunge us from being good to being evil, or just theindifferent "I don't care"? If not greed, will pain plunge us? Will the death of a loved one, or unfair treatment at a job or racial discrimination by some, or a broken relationship, or such trauma plunge us... Can we remain hopeful and good and polite, no matter what? Can hope and tomorrow win over all the hate and yesterdaysof this world?



No, these are not new questions. These have been asked before. Many times. Most religions such as Buddhism, Zoroastrianism ask such questions with themes such as the light and the dark. Christopher Marlowe and Goethe raise these questions in their masterpieces such as Faust. We have Plato's Socrates,St Augustine, introspective writings of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and so many more...Same questions. Eternal questions. Real questions... that each one of usfaces, every now and then.



So, yeah! I recommendthis movie. And if you know of books or movie that harbor such philosophical undercurrents, send me a note and let me know.[/quote]



Where did you see it?



And don't answer if the response might get you into trouble with WIPO.....
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[quote]Saw it. Liked it. Recommend it.



What can I write to make it relevant for the General Forum and without spoiling the movie for everyone?



I can start by... yep, the shots in Chicago are well done. Wacker Dr, LaSalle, Lake... feature prominently. Chicago-dreaming expats will have their fill.



The dialogues are well written, and well delivered. The movie feels a lot, lotmore than a screen version of acomic strip.The characters have depth. The dialogues and the story lay out specific situational dilemmas that the viewer may end up asking herself or himself or their friends after the movie... what wouldyou do?



I felt "The Dark Knight" isone of the better movies to be released in many years. Ifelt pleasantly absorbed byits philosophical undercurrents... such as



- how differently each one of us compensates or strengthens fromour pasts, our childhoods orour environments? How the same situation can bring out the worstwithin us, or bring the best within us... the fears or the hopes, the hate or the love, the endless worries or the passionate confidence



- how little, or lot, does it take for something to switch us from wanting to be compassionate to wanting revenge, from being hopeful to being fearful, from pursuing our dreams to becoming utterly hopeless. Can greed for money, or greed for power, or greed for fame plunge us from being good to being evil, or just theindifferent "I don't care"? If not greed, will pain plunge us? Will the death of a loved one, or unfair treatment at a job or racial discrimination by some, or a broken relationship, or such trauma plunge us... Can we remain hopeful and good and polite, no matter what? Can hope and tomorrow win over all the hate and yesterdaysof this world?



No, these are not new questions. These have been asked before. Many times. Most religions such as Buddhism, Zoroastrianism ask such questions with themes such as the light and the dark. Christopher Marlowe and Goethe raise these questions in their masterpieces such as Faust. We have Plato's Socrates,St Augustine, introspective writings of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and so many more...Same questions. Eternal questions. Real questions... that each one of usfaces, every now and then.



So, yeah! I recommendthis movie. And if you know of books or movie that harbor such philosophical undercurrents, send me a note and let me know.[/quote]



Where did you see it?



And don't answer if the response might get you into trouble with WIPO.....
chavyboy, Jul 23, 2008 @ 00:07
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               Where did you see it? And don't answer if the response might get you into trouble with WIPO.....[\quote]

Saw it in the US.

Friends tell me Il cavaliere oscuro is to be released in Italy tomorrow, July 23... for those in Switzerland or France who can't wait till August to see Le chevalier noir.

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               Where did you see it? And don't answer if the response might get you into trouble with WIPO.....[\quote]

Saw it in the US.

Friends tell me Il cavaliere oscuro is to be released in Italy tomorrow, July 23... for those in Switzerland or France who can't wait till August to see Le chevalier noir.
colorado, Jul 23, 2008 @ 02:36

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Where did you see it?

And don't answer if the response might get you into trouble with WIPO.....[/quote]
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Where did you see it?

And don't answer if the response might get you into trouble with WIPO.....[/quote]
MarmarK, Jul 23, 2008 @ 10:30
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Colorado,

Thank you for the brief description but could you expound on that a bit? ;* :cool:

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Colorado,

Thank you for the brief description but could you expound on that a bit? ;* :cool:
MarmarK, Jul 23, 2008 @ 10:32

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marmar, i think chavboy was asking where colorado saw it, assuming it's not a bootlegged copy of the movie somewhere on some illegal site (WIPO-world intellectual property organization)
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marmar, i think chavboy was asking where colorado saw it, assuming it's not a bootlegged copy of the movie somewhere on some illegal site (WIPO-world intellectual property organization)
YouMeCo, Jul 23, 2008 @ 23:07
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Indeed I was, YMC, thanks.



And thanks for all the interesting info in this thread, but my original question still stands: why is it so much later in opening over here than everywhere else? Are the Swiss being punished for their traditional preference of Superman?



I would have thought that the best way to combat piracy would be to release it around the world simultaneously, unless there are other financial considerations though overshadow the potential money lost on bootleg copies.



If that's the case, then the copyright folk should shut the hell up and deal with it. The day actors/producers/directors get paid a normal wage is the day I take copyright seriously.



(Though obviously I obey the law entirely, just in case any WIPO lawyers are reading ;) )
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Indeed I was, YMC, thanks.



And thanks for all the interesting info in this thread, but my original question still stands: why is it so much later in opening over here than everywhere else? Are the Swiss being punished for their traditional preference of Superman?



I would have thought that the best way to combat piracy would be to release it around the world simultaneously, unless there are other financial considerations though overshadow the potential money lost on bootleg copies.



If that's the case, then the copyright folk should shut the hell up and deal with it. The day actors/producers/directors get paid a normal wage is the day I take copyright seriously.



(Though obviously I obey the law entirely, just in case any WIPO lawyers are reading ;) )
chavyboy, Jul 24, 2008 @ 13:11
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The main reason for the various dates for release are the associated promotion for the movie by the main stars .. THey'll push the movie in the States .. interviews , red carpet .. then the whole team will move to Europe .. i.e Will Smith has just been in London promoting Hancock.. Asia seems to follow very quickly after US possibly because the promotion does not include the actors.
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The main reason for the various dates for release are the associated promotion for the movie by the main stars .. THey'll push the movie in the States .. interviews , red carpet .. then the whole team will move to Europe .. i.e Will Smith has just been in London promoting Hancock.. Asia seems to follow very quickly after US possibly because the promotion does not include the actors.
britabroad, Jul 24, 2008 @ 13:28
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Aha!



Mystery solved, thanks very much.


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Aha!



Mystery solved, thanks very much.



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There are normally a couple of factors that determine opening dates in a market such as CH.



The first is related to language. An American film can open on the same day in any English speaking country since there is nothing "extra" to do. I think you will find that this is more or less the case with this film.



The extra time can, in some cases, be attributed to the time required to fully dub the film (in the case of CH this will be in French and in German) and to produce the VO version but with French and German subtitles. So in Geneva there will be two versions of the film. VO (English with subtitles) and VF (French dubbed). The studios manage this process.



The second factor is due to planning and other commercial questions that someone like Pathe needs to manage. They are buying both English and French language films (in majority with the odd German, Italian or Spanish film added). In English, they are buying both USA and UK films.



The CH distributors need to juggle all of these factors when setting a distribution date (which of course can't be any earlier than the date that the "adapted" version is available). Depending on the film, they might want to set this date as early as possible, this is most likely the case for Batman to benefit from the worldwide marketing effort or they might want to hold back if it is a smaller/less know film.



Hope this helps with the explanation.



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There are normally a couple of factors that determine opening dates in a market such as CH.



The first is related to language. An American film can open on the same day in any English speaking country since there is nothing "extra" to do. I think you will find that this is more or less the case with this film.



The extra time can, in some cases, be attributed to the time required to fully dub the film (in the case of CH this will be in French and in German) and to produce the VO version but with French and German subtitles. So in Geneva there will be two versions of the film. VO (English with subtitles) and VF (French dubbed). The studios manage this process.



The second factor is due to planning and other commercial questions that someone like Pathe needs to manage. They are buying both English and French language films (in majority with the odd German, Italian or Spanish film added). In English, they are buying both USA and UK films.



The CH distributors need to juggle all of these factors when setting a distribution date (which of course can't be any earlier than the date that the "adapted" version is available). Depending on the film, they might want to set this date as early as possible, this is most likely the case for Batman to benefit from the worldwide marketing effort or they might want to hold back if it is a smaller/less know film.



Hope this helps with the explanation.



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