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I was reading an article the other day which talked about the ill effects of drinking cows milk and how difficult it was for humans to digest. It is a well known fact that certain foods can cause allergic reactions in our bodies. Symptoms can include skin rashes, digestive problems, headaches and vomiting in people who are sensitive. For some of us the effects are minor and we continue on with our life regardless, for others the symptoms can be severe enough that their daily life is badly affected. It can often take a lot of frustrating hours with doctors and the like before we discover that we can make ourselves better by simply eliminating something from our diet.


The problem with elimination is that it can also leave you vulnerable to deficiencies if you don’t replace the food with something else. For example, a lot of people decide that they no longer want to eat fish or meat, but as this is a major source of protein and minerals, we can quickly become deficient if we do not replace these foods with something similar in terms of nutrient content. Now, I know there are so many theories out there about what we should and should not eat and I personally find it all extremely confusing and mis-leading at times. One source tells us to eat dairy foods becasue of their high calcium content, another source will say that we can get plenty of calcium from eating broccoli and therefore do not need to drink milk or eat cheese. Well, the truth is that milk contains the best source of absorbable calcium and that we can obtain our daily dose by simply including a couple of glasses. To get the same amount of calcium out of broccoli you would have to eat so much of it that you would then be putting your thyroid at risk. As I mentioned in a previous blog, broccoli contains goiteroids which when eaten raw or in large quantities cause the thyroid gland to malfunction. So, if we now believe that cows milk is indeed good for us for its calcium content, what do we do if we discover that it is the cause of our eczema/indigestion/acne or headache? We need to find an alternative.


Having suffered with digestive problems and skin irritations myself, I decided to start eliminating certain things from my daily diet to see if it made a difference. First to go was the gluten.  This meant foregoing on my favourite carb, bread. I have known for a while that white bread is not good for me as I get hiccups after I eat it and feel like an inflated balloon! But it was easy to replace it with other types of wholemeal and multi cereal breads, both of which do not give me hiccups although they do still  bloat me. However, giving bread up completely was hard and I stuck with it for a month only to discover that there was little change to my symptoms. Strangely enough though, after the month of abstenance I no longer crave bread nor eat it every day and I have to say that at least my stomach is flatter.


So, if it isn’t the gluten that is causing the problem, the only other allergen that I can think of that I eat is dairy. Another hard one for me to give up. I love cheese, although eat mostly goats cheese these days and I love my Cafe Latte in the morning….and….my greek yoghurt….and ice cream is my favourite cheat meal. So I guess it could be that. Finding an alternative to milk is a tricky one. Soya products are a no go area for me and the other milks such as almond, rice and oat are all absolutely awful in coffee and not much better as a drink. Plus they are processed and have oils and sugars added to them. The good news is, that after a week of not eating or drinking any dairy at all, I am feeling a whole lot better. No stomach aches, no bloat and no skin issues. However, I miss my latte more than anything else and know that sooner or later I will crack and drink the milk, so I had to find an alternative. That’s when I remembered Goats milk. Click on this link to discover just how much better this is for us humans than cows milk and it might just be the answer to my “problem”.  /altmedangel.com/milkcomp.htm


I am going to give it a go and see if my symptoms return or if indeed, goats milk and its products are the best alternative for those of us with a sensitivity to Cows. You can buy goats milk in the supermarket along with goats milk yoghurts and cheese. I was also told by my hairdresser who comes from Yugoslavia, that they use a soap made from goats milk, which cures all sorts of skin conditions such as eczema and itchy scalps! All hail the humble Goat!!


Yours in Health,


Tamara


 

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I was reading an article the other day which talked about the ill effects of drinking cows milk and how difficult it was for humans to digest. It is a well known fact that certain foods can cause allergic reactions in our bodies. Symptoms can include skin rashes, digestive problems, headaches and vomiting in people who are sensitive. For some of us the effects are minor and we continue on with our life regardless, for others the symptoms can be severe enough that their daily life is badly affected. It can often take a lot of frustrating hours with doctors and the like before we discover that we can make ourselves better by simply eliminating something from our diet.


The problem with elimination is that it can also leave you vulnerable to deficiencies if you don’t replace the food with something else. For example, a lot of people decide that they no longer want to eat fish or meat, but as this is a major source of protein and minerals, we can quickly become deficient if we do not replace these foods with something similar in terms of nutrient content. Now, I know there are so many theories out there about what we should and should not eat and I personally find it all extremely confusing and mis-leading at times. One source tells us to eat dairy foods becasue of their high calcium content, another source will say that we can get plenty of calcium from eating broccoli and therefore do not need to drink milk or eat cheese. Well, the truth is that milk contains the best source of absorbable calcium and that we can obtain our daily dose by simply including a couple of glasses. To get the same amount of calcium out of broccoli you would have to eat so much of it that you would then be putting your thyroid at risk. As I mentioned in a previous blog, broccoli contains goiteroids which when eaten raw or in large quantities cause the thyroid gland to malfunction. So, if we now believe that cows milk is indeed good for us for its calcium content, what do we do if we discover that it is the cause of our eczema/indigestion/acne or headache? We need to find an alternative.


Having suffered with digestive problems and skin irritations myself, I decided to start eliminating certain things from my daily diet to see if it made a difference. First to go was the gluten.  This meant foregoing on my favourite carb, bread. I have known for a while that white bread is not good for me as I get hiccups after I eat it and feel like an inflated balloon! But it was easy to replace it with other types of wholemeal and multi cereal breads, both of which do not give me hiccups although they do still  bloat me. However, giving bread up completely was hard and I stuck with it for a month only to discover that there was little change to my symptoms. Strangely enough though, after the month of abstenance I no longer crave bread nor eat it every day and I have to say that at least my stomach is flatter.


So, if it isn’t the gluten that is causing the problem, the only other allergen that I can think of that I eat is dairy. Another hard one for me to give up. I love cheese, although eat mostly goats cheese these days and I love my Cafe Latte in the morning….and….my greek yoghurt….and ice cream is my favourite cheat meal. So I guess it could be that. Finding an alternative to milk is a tricky one. Soya products are a no go area for me and the other milks such as almond, rice and oat are all absolutely awful in coffee and not much better as a drink. Plus they are processed and have oils and sugars added to them. The good news is, that after a week of not eating or drinking any dairy at all, I am feeling a whole lot better. No stomach aches, no bloat and no skin issues. However, I miss my latte more than anything else and know that sooner or later I will crack and drink the milk, so I had to find an alternative. That’s when I remembered Goats milk. Click on this link to discover just how much better this is for us humans than cows milk and it might just be the answer to my “problem”.  /altmedangel.com/milkcomp.htm


I am going to give it a go and see if my symptoms return or if indeed, goats milk and its products are the best alternative for those of us with a sensitivity to Cows. You can buy goats milk in the supermarket along with goats milk yoghurts and cheese. I was also told by my hairdresser who comes from Yugoslavia, that they use a soap made from goats milk, which cures all sorts of skin conditions such as eczema and itchy scalps! All hail the humble Goat!!


Yours in Health,


Tamara


 


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This is the second post from you where I've been confused.


Who is Tamara?


 

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This is the second post from you where I've been confused.


Who is Tamara?


 


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Sorry about the confusion.  My husband Ryan and I share this account.  We both want to contribute as much as we can to some great health and fitness information to the site.  I hope that clears things up a bit:)  I hope you are enjoying the forum threads.  Have a great day!


 

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Sorry about the confusion.  My husband Ryan and I share this account.  We both want to contribute as much as we can to some great health and fitness information to the site.  I hope that clears things up a bit:)  I hope you are enjoying the forum threads.  Have a great day!


 


Ryan C, Apr 18, 2011 @ 09:46
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Thanks! Maybe you could have a joint photo. :) I have enjoyed the articles, particularly the broccoli one.


The thing about gluten allergies is that often you don't see an improvement until six months of being gluten free. Good luck!

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Thanks! Maybe you could have a joint photo. :) I have enjoyed the articles, particularly the broccoli one.


The thing about gluten allergies is that often you don't see an improvement until six months of being gluten free. Good luck!


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Hi try oat milk its a fantastic alternative. Easy to digest great for all allergies.


Available at all good health stores.


If you want the science behind this happy to forward.


Lynn


 

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Hi try oat milk its a fantastic alternative. Easy to digest great for all allergies.


Available at all good health stores.


If you want the science behind this happy to forward.


Lynn


 


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Hi try oat milk its a fantastic alternative. Easy to digest great for all allergies.

Available at all good health stores.

If you want the science behind this happy to forward.

Lynn

 


Apr 18, 11 10:20

I'd like to see it.  Can you post in this forum.


I have never had a problem with milk and never met one who has nor seen any during my medical studies though I know from the literature there are lactose intolerant people.  However those lacking lactase enzyme vary in number geographically/ethnically which might explain some of the (perceived?) better tolerance of goat milk as goat herding and cow culture varies geographically as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#Alternative_products


Also those with coeliac disease are intolerant of a protein (most allergens are proteins or peptides I seem to remember) in common grains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease. In a previous life as Medical Adviser to a contraceptive pill manufacturer I often got calls from people concerned about the amount of gluten in the pills.  I reassured them that the amount was so infinitessimally small in comparison to what the literature talked about as the amounts causing symptoms.  You would almost have to consume a few month's worth of pills in order to experience symptoms.

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I'd like to see it.  Can you post in this forum.


I have never had a problem with milk and never met one who has nor seen any during my medical studies though I know from the literature there are lactose intolerant people.  However those lacking lactase enzyme vary in number geographically/ethnically which might explain some of the (perceived?) better tolerance of goat milk as goat herding and cow culture varies geographically as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#Alternative_products


Also those with coeliac disease are intolerant of a protein (most allergens are proteins or peptides I seem to remember) in common grains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease. In a previous life as Medical Adviser to a contraceptive pill manufacturer I often got calls from people concerned about the amount of gluten in the pills.  I reassured them that the amount was so infinitessimally small in comparison to what the literature talked about as the amounts causing symptoms.  You would almost have to consume a few month's worth of pills in order to experience symptoms.


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Goats milk is a common substitution for people who are lactoses intolerant, in the restaurant I work in people will bring in Cheese made from goats milk to substitute with regular mozzerella. I am a vanilla soy milk lover, avoiding regular milk and manufactured human growth hormone in the US is easy with milk alternatives, but goats milk is about the only one for cheese


As for lotion products made from goats milk this is the brand that I love


http://www.canusgoatsmilk.com/index.php


 

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Goats milk is a common substitution for people who are lactoses intolerant, in the restaurant I work in people will bring in Cheese made from goats milk to substitute with regular mozzerella. I am a vanilla soy milk lover, avoiding regular milk and manufactured human growth hormone in the US is easy with milk alternatives, but goats milk is about the only one for cheese


As for lotion products made from goats milk this is the brand that I love


http://www.canusgoatsmilk.com/index.php


 


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and i meant, Bovine growth hormone =)

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and i meant, Bovine growth hormone =)


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I was reading an article the other day which talked about the ill effects of drinking cows milk and how difficult it was for humans to digest. It is a well known fact that certain foods can cause allergic reactions in our bodies. Symptoms can include skin rashes, digestive problems, headaches and vomiting in people who are sensitive. For some of us the effects are minor and we continue on with our life regardless, for others the symptoms can be severe enough that their daily life is badly affected. It can often take a lot of frustrating hours with doctors and the like before we discover that we can make ourselves better by simply eliminating something from our diet.

The problem with elimination is that it can also leave you vulnerable to deficiencies if you don’t replace the food with something else. For example, a lot of people decide that they no longer want to eat fish or meat, but as this is a major source of protein and minerals, we can quickly become deficient if we do not replace these foods with something similar in terms of nutrient content. Now, I know there are so many theories out there about what we should and should not eat and I personally find it all extremely confusing and mis-leading at times. One source tells us to eat dairy foods becasue of their high calcium content, another source will say that we can get plenty of calcium from eating broccoli and therefore do not need to drink milk or eat cheese. Well, the truth is that milk contains the best source of absorbable calcium and that we can obtain our daily dose by simply including a couple of glasses. To get the same amount of calcium out of broccoli you would have to eat so much of it that you would then be putting your thyroid at risk. As I mentioned in a previous blog, broccoli contains goiteroids which when eaten raw or in large quantities cause the thyroid gland to malfunction. So, if we now believe that cows milk is indeed good for us for its calcium content, what do we do if we discover that it is the cause of our eczema/indigestion/acne or headache? We need to find an alternative.

Having suffered with digestive problems and skin irritations myself, I decided to start eliminating certain things from my daily diet to see if it made a difference. First to go was the gluten.  This meant foregoing on my favourite carb, bread. I have known for a while that white bread is not good for me as I get hiccups after I eat it and feel like an inflated balloon! But it was easy to replace it with other types of wholemeal and multi cereal breads, both of which do not give me hiccups although they do still  bloat me. However, giving bread up completely was hard and I stuck with it for a month only to discover that there was little change to my symptoms. Strangely enough though, after the month of abstenance I no longer crave bread nor eat it every day and I have to say that at least my stomach is flatter.

So, if it isn’t the gluten that is causing the problem, the only other allergen that I can think of that I eat is dairy. Another hard one for me to give up. I love cheese, although eat mostly goats cheese these days and I love my Cafe Latte in the morning….and….my greek yoghurt….and ice cream is my favourite cheat meal. So I guess it could be that. Finding an alternative to milk is a tricky one. Soya products are a no go area for me and the other milks such as almond, rice and oat are all absolutely awful in coffee and not much better as a drink. Plus they are processed and have oils and sugars added to them. The good news is, that after a week of not eating or drinking any dairy at all, I am feeling a whole lot better. No stomach aches, no bloat and no skin issues. However, I miss my latte more than anything else and know that sooner or later I will crack and drink the milk, so I had to find an alternative. That’s when I remembered Goats milk. Click on this link to discover just how much better this is for us humans than cows milk and it might just be the answer to my “problem”.  /altmedangel.com/milkcomp.htm

I am going to give it a go and see if my symptoms return or if indeed, goats milk and its products are the best alternative for those of us with a sensitivity to Cows. You can buy goats milk in the supermarket along with goats milk yoghurts and cheese. I was also told by my hairdresser who comes from Yugoslavia, that they use a soap made from goats milk, which cures all sorts of skin conditions such as eczema and itchy scalps! All hail the humble Goat!!

Yours in Health,

Tamara

 


Apr 18, 11 09:38

There are absolutely no references to published literature supporting the claims at that website.


Having worked in the pharmaceutical industry I've become reasonably good at telling good science from bad science (even outside the domain of medicine).  Also there is what's called publication bias where studies showing inconclusive results don't tend to get published because few scientists want to publish 'negative' studies/articles but want to make their name with 'discoveries' i.e. conclusive results.


Unless you have some training and experience it is difficult to critique what you read in diet books (how many appear each weak on the bookshelves? - they can't all be correct).  The fellow (a cardiologist) who came up with the Atkins low carb diet died after falling down stairs.  Obese people suffer more injuries falling down stairs because they are less able and quick to react and protect themselves - I saw this in a trauma unit one night when a large American came in with serious fractures from a simple fall on stairs inside a house: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Atkins_(nutritionist)#Life


Peer reviewed medical journals also have their deficiencies because who are these 'peers' and what is their authority.  Often they are established professors and they know who is doing what research and so if they see a certain article coming from an instiitute/lab that holds views they don't agree with then they often give a negative assessment and recommend non-publication.  For a whole list of articles on the deficiencies of peer review see this: http://www.google.com/search?q=peer+review&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org


I have read countless articles in the medical literature where the claims made in the conclusion are not supported by the results.  These are sometimes from pharmaceutical sponsored (and ghost written) studies.  I once critiqued a competitor's clinical dossier by going through each article and finding all sorts of deficiencies (double counting of studies, lack of randomisation to which study group etc.  Randomisation means a person is randomly assigned to one of the study groups e.g. active drug vs. placebo and assures the poulations in each group are 'identical' so any difference in results is due to the drug and not differences in the groups).  With this critique we were able to get a legal injunction against a European health minister's decision to grant equal pricing for the competiton's drug with ours (a little bragging on my part!).


Taking medical advice is like taking advice from a mechanic when you know nothing about cars - you just have to trust or seek a second opinion.  Seeking a second opinion takes time and effort and thus we mostly go on trust.


Mark (not a marxist by the way but perhaps a Groucho Marxist!)

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There are absolutely no references to published literature supporting the claims at that website.


Having worked in the pharmaceutical industry I've become reasonably good at telling good science from bad science (even outside the domain of medicine).  Also there is what's called publication bias where studies showing inconclusive results don't tend to get published because few scientists want to publish 'negative' studies/articles but want to make their name with 'discoveries' i.e. conclusive results.


Unless you have some training and experience it is difficult to critique what you read in diet books (how many appear each weak on the bookshelves? - they can't all be correct).  The fellow (a cardiologist) who came up with the Atkins low carb diet died after falling down stairs.  Obese people suffer more injuries falling down stairs because they are less able and quick to react and protect themselves - I saw this in a trauma unit one night when a large American came in with serious fractures from a simple fall on stairs inside a house: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Atkins_(nutritionist)#Life


Peer reviewed medical journals also have their deficiencies because who are these 'peers' and what is their authority.  Often they are established professors and they know who is doing what research and so if they see a certain article coming from an instiitute/lab that holds views they don't agree with then they often give a negative assessment and recommend non-publication.  For a whole list of articles on the deficiencies of peer review see this: http://www.google.com/search?q=peer+review&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org


I have read countless articles in the medical literature where the claims made in the conclusion are not supported by the results.  These are sometimes from pharmaceutical sponsored (and ghost written) studies.  I once critiqued a competitor's clinical dossier by going through each article and finding all sorts of deficiencies (double counting of studies, lack of randomisation to which study group etc.  Randomisation means a person is randomly assigned to one of the study groups e.g. active drug vs. placebo and assures the poulations in each group are 'identical' so any difference in results is due to the drug and not differences in the groups).  With this critique we were able to get a legal injunction against a European health minister's decision to grant equal pricing for the competiton's drug with ours (a little bragging on my part!).


Taking medical advice is like taking advice from a mechanic when you know nothing about cars - you just have to trust or seek a second opinion.  Seeking a second opinion takes time and effort and thus we mostly go on trust.


Mark (not a marxist by the way but perhaps a Groucho Marxist!)


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Hello Tamara,


I had a rotten time with food intolerance problems. Then I got an IgG test done in Dublin which identified once and for all what I can and can't eat (well the qualifier here is that if one hasn't eaten a particular type of food in the months preceeding the test the reaction of the body to that food can't be examined).


So maybe you should think about doing one of these tests? The one I did was expensive but the results have been excellent: no more stomach pain first thing in the morning, no more digestion problems and no more bloating and constipation. And I had these problems for nearly three years. Dairy is one of my biggest enemies. Having been off it now for three months I am feeling very good indeed. 


Unlike Marksist I have NO MEDICAL TRAINING. I'm only offering this information in the spirit of sharing and comparing anecdotes: this post does not constitute medical advice. Here's a link where you can read more about these tests but beware, this is the company's own website, so they are bound to be biast in terms of their perception of the efficacy of the test. But at least it's a starting point for your own research.


http://www.fitzwilliamfoodtest.com/html/food_testing.htm 


In any case I think you seem to be on to something here. If all the symptoms you have described tailed off after only one week sans dairy it definitely would appear to be worth taking the time to check this out. 


I hope you find the right course of action for you!


M.

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Hello Tamara,


I had a rotten time with food intolerance problems. Then I got an IgG test done in Dublin which identified once and for all what I can and can't eat (well the qualifier here is that if one hasn't eaten a particular type of food in the months preceeding the test the reaction of the body to that food can't be examined).


So maybe you should think about doing one of these tests? The one I did was expensive but the results have been excellent: no more stomach pain first thing in the morning, no more digestion problems and no more bloating and constipation. And I had these problems for nearly three years. Dairy is one of my biggest enemies. Having been off it now for three months I am feeling very good indeed. 


Unlike Marksist I have NO MEDICAL TRAINING. I'm only offering this information in the spirit of sharing and comparing anecdotes: this post does not constitute medical advice. Here's a link where you can read more about these tests but beware, this is the company's own website, so they are bound to be biast in terms of their perception of the efficacy of the test. But at least it's a starting point for your own research.


http://www.fitzwilliamfoodtest.com/html/food_testing.htm 


In any case I think you seem to be on to something here. If all the symptoms you have described tailed off after only one week sans dairy it definitely would appear to be worth taking the time to check this out. 


I hope you find the right course of action for you!


M.


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Goats milk is a common substitution for people who are lactoses intolerant, in the restaurant I work in people will bring in Cheese made from goats milk to substitute with regular mozzerella. I am a vanilla soy milk lover, avoiding regular milk and manufactured human growth hormone in the US is easy with milk alternatives, but goats milk is about the only one for cheese

As for lotion products made from goats milk this is the brand that I love

http://www.canusgoatsmilk.com/index.php

 


Apr 19, 11 10:21

I'm glad you mentioned recombinant gene technology derived BGH as it is very controversial and has led to trade tit for tats between the EU and US.  Growth hormone is not the only problem with intensively industrialised raising of cattle, chickens, pigs etc.  There are problems with infections when animals are cooped up in close confines and tread through their own maanure, breath it in etc.  So the animals get lots of antibiotics, residues of which remain in the meat and milk and might be possibly be linked with or a partner in crime in the rise of antibiotic resistant infections.


Also food quality standards are controversial in industrial production.  Inspection is poor and infrequent.  Violators get off with a slap on the wrist.  In Canada recently there have been outbreaks of Listeriosis due to poor standards in the industry as well as poor regulatory enforcement. There was an outbreak of E. coli infections in Waterton Canada traced to fecal runoff into the groundwater. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkerton_Tragedy


I highly recommend Upton Sinclair's 'The Jungle' for a fictional (after fact based research working in the meat industry) account in the early 20th century America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle  Have your tissues handy as it's one of the saddest books I've ever read on par with The Grapes of Wrath.  It's as relevant today as you read of all the scandalous working conditions at places like Tyson Foods foods etc.:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Foods


And we  haven't even got to the ethical issues of the treatment of these animals!


Again a little bit of bragging on my part: my father is a retired civil engineer who has designed water treatment plants across Canada and in Ghana.  I grew up learning a lot about the high quality standards of treated water and the high quality of tap water.  Bottled waters are not subject to the same high standards.  This article on crisis communication for industry and other institutions has interesting information on how Perrier carbonates its water and the crisis of benzene in Perrier discovered in the US: http://www.psandman.com/handouts/AIHA/page55.pdf


(I love carbonated water myself in restaurants and cafes over still water because of the bubbles).


Must it always be an issue of 'Buyer Beware'?

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I'm glad you mentioned recombinant gene technology derived BGH as it is very controversial and has led to trade tit for tats between the EU and US.  Growth hormone is not the only problem with intensively industrialised raising of cattle, chickens, pigs etc.  There are problems with infections when animals are cooped up in close confines and tread through their own maanure, breath it in etc.  So the animals get lots of antibiotics, residues of which remain in the meat and milk and might be possibly be linked with or a partner in crime in the rise of antibiotic resistant infections.


Also food quality standards are controversial in industrial production.  Inspection is poor and infrequent.  Violators get off with a slap on the wrist.  In Canada recently there have been outbreaks of Listeriosis due to poor standards in the industry as well as poor regulatory enforcement. There was an outbreak of E. coli infections in Waterton Canada traced to fecal runoff into the groundwater. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkerton_Tragedy


I highly recommend Upton Sinclair's 'The Jungle' for a fictional (after fact based research working in the meat industry) account in the early 20th century America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle  Have your tissues handy as it's one of the saddest books I've ever read on par with The Grapes of Wrath.  It's as relevant today as you read of all the scandalous working conditions at places like Tyson Foods foods etc.:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Foods


And we  haven't even got to the ethical issues of the treatment of these animals!


Again a little bit of bragging on my part: my father is a retired civil engineer who has designed water treatment plants across Canada and in Ghana.  I grew up learning a lot about the high quality standards of treated water and the high quality of tap water.  Bottled waters are not subject to the same high standards.  This article on crisis communication for industry and other institutions has interesting information on how Perrier carbonates its water and the crisis of benzene in Perrier discovered in the US: http://www.psandman.com/handouts/AIHA/page55.pdf


(I love carbonated water myself in restaurants and cafes over still water because of the bubbles).


Must it always be an issue of 'Buyer Beware'?


Marksist, Apr 19, 2011 @ 10:44
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You are what you eat!Wink

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Marksist, Apr 19, 2011 @ 11:22
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As for vitamin and nutrient deficiencies one can usually get all one needs in a balanced diet (protein, carbs and fat).  And if you do have some concern about vitamin and trace element deficiencies you can buy at Coop for CHF 1 20 tablets containing per tablet 10 calories and from what I recall the recommended daily allowance of vitamins E, C, B1, B2, B5, B6, B12, niacin, folic acid (important for pregnant women to avoid spina bifida for example), biotin (B7).  There is some sodium, cyclamate, saccharine and sorbitol.  No fat vitamins (ADEK).  One can shop and compare or eat some fruit, fat, meat (there are good sources of protein for non meat eaters) and carbs.


In a typical but not Supersize me exclusive diet in the western world there should be no need for dietary supplements in my humble opinion.  In fact much of what we know about the effects of dietary deficiencies comes from the study of extremes of deficiencies (that's why the limeys are called limeys)and diets based on one item only such as was the case with US southern black sharecroppers who only ate grits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits


This also a political issue because severe malnutrition in many countries of the world can cause mental underdevelopment due to insufficient essential nutrient supply/consumption in children when there brains are developing.  They grow up mentally deficient compounding the problems of poverty.  There is enough food in the world to feed everyone and we don't need genetically modiified seeds.  Nor did the 'Green Revolution' of the 60s (involving oil derived fertilisers and toxic pesticides) lead to a decline in hunger and starvation on a planet with far fewer people.  Food is a political issue and moral one as well.


http://www.johnpilger.com/videos/zap-the-weapon-is-food


http://www.johnpilger.com/videos/smashing-kids


http://www.johnpilger.com/videos/an-unfashionable-tragedy


http://www.google.com/search?q=food&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org


And for movie buffs you might recall in 'Damien Omen II' part of the plan was to control the worlds agriculture supply: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien:_Omen_II#Plot

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As for vitamin and nutrient deficiencies one can usually get all one needs in a balanced diet (protein, carbs and fat).  And if you do have some concern about vitamin and trace element deficiencies you can buy at Coop for CHF 1 20 tablets containing per tablet 10 calories and from what I recall the recommended daily allowance of vitamins E, C, B1, B2, B5, B6, B12, niacin, folic acid (important for pregnant women to avoid spina bifida for example), biotin (B7).  There is some sodium, cyclamate, saccharine and sorbitol.  No fat vitamins (ADEK).  One can shop and compare or eat some fruit, fat, meat (there are good sources of protein for non meat eaters) and carbs.


In a typical but not Supersize me exclusive diet in the western world there should be no need for dietary supplements in my humble opinion.  In fact much of what we know about the effects of dietary deficiencies comes from the study of extremes of deficiencies (that's why the limeys are called limeys)and diets based on one item only such as was the case with US southern black sharecroppers who only ate grits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits


This also a political issue because severe malnutrition in many countries of the world can cause mental underdevelopment due to insufficient essential nutrient supply/consumption in children when there brains are developing.  They grow up mentally deficient compounding the problems of poverty.  There is enough food in the world to feed everyone and we don't need genetically modiified seeds.  Nor did the 'Green Revolution' of the 60s (involving oil derived fertilisers and toxic pesticides) lead to a decline in hunger and starvation on a planet with far fewer people.  Food is a political issue and moral one as well.


http://www.johnpilger.com/videos/zap-the-weapon-is-food


http://www.johnpilger.com/videos/smashing-kids


http://www.johnpilger.com/videos/an-unfashionable-tragedy


http://www.google.com/search?q=food&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org


And for movie buffs you might recall in 'Damien Omen II' part of the plan was to control the worlds agriculture supply: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien:_Omen_II#Plot


Marksist, Apr 19, 2011 @ 11:50
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so could anyone clarify if we can indeed reach our daily vitamin requirements solely from food (taking into account a balanced diet of course-whatever that may indeeed truely be these days what with all the theories!) when i have read about the loss of real nutrients in our fruit and veggies of todays farming methods..blah blah. Is there any truth to that theory?


And i have also been told that sometimes vitamin and mineral supplements are not as effective as touted either due to the way they are manufactured and the forms they are in ...again ..can any of you knowledgable folk seperate fact from fiction for me? 


 


Would prefer to know if it is indeed worth your while in terms of nutrients (i know the argument in terms of pesticides) to buy bio fruit and veg and whether or not there is a marked difference in supplements on the market or if a cheap generic can in fact do the job. 


 


I would research it myself but in all honesty i am supposed to be studying and this article happened to catch my eye and i find all of this terribly interesting and relevant. (esp since taking up statistics as a uni subject!)  :0) damn you all :P

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so could anyone clarify if we can indeed reach our daily vitamin requirements solely from food (taking into account a balanced diet of course-whatever that may indeeed truely be these days what with all the theories!) when i have read about the loss of real nutrients in our fruit and veggies of todays farming methods..blah blah. Is there any truth to that theory?


And i have also been told that sometimes vitamin and mineral supplements are not as effective as touted either due to the way they are manufactured and the forms they are in ...again ..can any of you knowledgable folk seperate fact from fiction for me? 


 


Would prefer to know if it is indeed worth your while in terms of nutrients (i know the argument in terms of pesticides) to buy bio fruit and veg and whether or not there is a marked difference in supplements on the market or if a cheap generic can in fact do the job. 


 


I would research it myself but in all honesty i am supposed to be studying and this article happened to catch my eye and i find all of this terribly interesting and relevant. (esp since taking up statistics as a uni subject!)  :0) damn you all :P


CatALiNa6, Apr 23, 2011 @ 14:09
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so could anyone clarify if we can indeed reach our daily vitamin requirements solely from food (taking into account a balanced diet of course-whatever that may indeeed truely be these days what with all the theories!) when i have read about the loss of real nutrients in our fruit and veggies of todays farming methods..blah blah. Is there any truth to that theory?

And i have also been told that sometimes vitamin and mineral supplements are not as effective as touted either due to the way they are manufactured and the forms they are in ...again ..can any of you knowledgable folk seperate fact from fiction for me? 

 

Would prefer to know if it is indeed worth your while in terms of nutrients (i know the argument in terms of pesticides) to buy bio fruit and veg and whether or not there is a marked difference in supplements on the market or if a cheap generic can in fact do the job. 

 

I would research it myself but in all honesty i am supposed to be studying and this article happened to catch my eye and i find all of this terribly interesting and relevant. (esp since taking up statistics as a uni subject!)  :0) damn you all :P


Apr 23, 11 14:09

You can but you would need to have your table full of little bowls and cups with lots of veggie, fruits, nuts etc etc. Not really feasible for most people.

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You can but you would need to have your table full of little bowls and cups with lots of veggie, fruits, nuts etc etc. Not really feasible for most people.


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If you find the flavour of goats milk and cheese to strong also try sheeps milk. I sell cheese and have many customers who are lactose intolerant but can eat sheeps milk cheese. To me the best cheeses are made with sheeps milk anyway.

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If you find the flavour of goats milk and cheese to strong also try sheeps milk. I sell cheese and have many customers who are lactose intolerant but can eat sheeps milk cheese. To me the best cheeses are made with sheeps milk anyway.


Mike J, Apr 23, 2011 @ 16:04
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so could anyone clarify if we can indeed reach our daily vitamin requirements solely from food (taking into account a balanced diet of course-whatever that may indeeed truely be these days what with all the theories!) when i have read about the loss of real nutrients in our fruit and veggies of todays farming methods..blah blah. Is there any truth to that theory?

And i have also been told that sometimes vitamin and mineral supplements are not as effective as touted either due to the way they are manufactured and the forms they are in ...again ..can any of you knowledgable folk seperate fact from fiction for me? 

 

Would prefer to know if it is indeed worth your while in terms of nutrients (i know the argument in terms of pesticides) to buy bio fruit and veg and whether or not there is a marked difference in supplements on the market or if a cheap generic can in fact do the job. 

 

I would research it myself but in all honesty i am supposed to be studying and this article happened to catch my eye and i find all of this terribly interesting and relevant. (esp since taking up statistics as a uni subject!)  :0) damn you all :P


Apr 23, 11 14:09

You might care to look at the US National Institute of Health website section on dietary supplements here: http://ods.od.nih.gov/  On the right hand side is a menu of Health Information topics including how to evaluate health information on the internet.  I haven't had a chance to check it out yet but in my profession I have often relied on the NIH site for other information.

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You might care to look at the US National Institute of Health website section on dietary supplements here: http://ods.od.nih.gov/  On the right hand side is a menu of Health Information topics including how to evaluate health information on the internet.  I haven't had a chance to check it out yet but in my profession I have often relied on the NIH site for other information.


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