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Creating an SARL in Geneva

Hello everyone,


I want to create a SARL in Geneva and need advice.  I have visited startups (.) ch (anybody have experience with them?) but I don't think I need most of what they offer except for "l'établissement de tous les documents requis (statuts, actes officiels, etc.".   Does  anybody know a good value for money notary that could help me here?  (Nir posted a recommendation back in 2009, so I'd be looking for something more recent).


Recommendations on accountants/taxes would also be most welcome.


Thanks in advance.

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Hello everyone,


I want to create a SARL in Geneva and need advice.  I have visited startups (.) ch (anybody have experience with them?) but I don't think I need most of what they offer except for "l'établissement de tous les documents requis (statuts, actes officiels, etc.".   Does  anybody know a good value for money notary that could help me here?  (Nir posted a recommendation back in 2009, so I'd be looking for something more recent).


Recommendations on accountants/taxes would also be most welcome.


Thanks in advance.


glchoyaJun 18, 2014 @ 13:09
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information in French here:


http://ge.ch/dares/registre-du-commerce/societe_responsabilite_limitee-1066-3323.html


tarrif here:


http://ge.ch/dares/registre-du-commerce/tarifs_paiements-1067.html

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information in French here:


http://ge.ch/dares/registre-du-commerce/societe_responsabilite_limitee-1066-3323.html


tarrif here:


http://ge.ch/dares/registre-du-commerce/tarifs_paiements-1067.html


hay_, Jun 18, 2014 @ 15:29
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Thanks hay_! :)

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Thanks hay_! :)


glchoya, Jun 18, 2014 @ 18:19
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You are most welcome :)

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You are most welcome :)


hay_, Jun 18, 2014 @ 20:33
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Hi,


i think that this society is the right one for you:


http://www.uzunov.ch/Qui-sommes-nous.html


i know the owner ,i have already reccomaned it to my other friends that unfortunately are not in glocals but they are very happy with the service they received.


ciaoLaughing


 

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Hi,


i think that this society is the right one for you:


http://www.uzunov.ch/Qui-sommes-nous.html


i know the owner ,i have already reccomaned it to my other friends that unfortunately are not in glocals but they are very happy with the service they received.


ciaoLaughing


 


vincenza l, Jun 20, 2014 @ 17:06
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Thanks Vincenza!

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Thanks Vincenza!


glchoya, Jun 21, 2014 @ 11:45
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In practice, for a small entrepreneur the main goal of founding a sàrl is to shield his private assets from possible liability. The price to pay for this is the double taxation - the profits are taxed in the company itself, and than once distributed, as the private income of the individual. Plus, the costs of formalities (foundation, accounting) are higher, but acceptable in comparison to neighbourg countries.

You basically need to evaluate the risk you take when running your business. If it is low and you do not need the additionnal credibility a company gives, from the tax point of view, it is better to continue under raison individuelle.


You may of course be entirely aware of what I am writing, these are basics.


Of course, a lot depends on how things look in practice, but the rule of thumb is like above.


As for notaries, there is now a couple here whose prices are comparable to those in other cantons.


Best of luck!


Pawel

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In practice, for a small entrepreneur the main goal of founding a sàrl is to shield his private assets from possible liability. The price to pay for this is the double taxation - the profits are taxed in the company itself, and than once distributed, as the private income of the individual. Plus, the costs of formalities (foundation, accounting) are higher, but acceptable in comparison to neighbourg countries.

You basically need to evaluate the risk you take when running your business. If it is low and you do not need the additionnal credibility a company gives, from the tax point of view, it is better to continue under raison individuelle.


You may of course be entirely aware of what I am writing, these are basics.


Of course, a lot depends on how things look in practice, but the rule of thumb is like above.


As for notaries, there is now a couple here whose prices are comparable to those in other cantons.


Best of luck!


Pawel


kruljungli, Dec 22, 2015 @ 15:59
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In my experience, I would never do RI again. I think a SARL is more secure when it comes to AVS and Unemployment Benefit.


In relation to notaries, I believe Fribourg and Uri have competitive prices.


The following link is provided  by Banque Cantonale de Vaud and it contains an English Language Brochure on "Créer votre entreprise". Pp 38-40 or so contains comparisons of RI, Sàrl and SA. It also has lots of other  helpful info relevant to all of Switzerland which I am aware you don't need.


https://www.bcv.ch/Entreprises-et-institutions/Creer-une-entreprise/D-un-plan-a-une-entreprise


 

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In my experience, I would never do RI again. I think a SARL is more secure when it comes to AVS and Unemployment Benefit.


In relation to notaries, I believe Fribourg and Uri have competitive prices.


The following link is provided  by Banque Cantonale de Vaud and it contains an English Language Brochure on "Créer votre entreprise". Pp 38-40 or so contains comparisons of RI, Sàrl and SA. It also has lots of other  helpful info relevant to all of Switzerland which I am aware you don't need.


https://www.bcv.ch/Entreprises-et-institutions/Creer-une-entreprise/D-un-plan-a-une-entreprise


 


Anne-Marie L, Jan 6, 2016 @ 13:45
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Concerning the unemployment benefit, one needs to be careful - in general, the right to perceive the benefits may be refused once you loose a job at your own company (or of a person closely related to you) and you (or such person, as far as I remember) remain formally implicated in the company's activities.

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Concerning the unemployment benefit, one needs to be careful - in general, the right to perceive the benefits may be refused once you loose a job at your own company (or of a person closely related to you) and you (or such person, as far as I remember) remain formally implicated in the company's activities.


kruljungli, Jan 6, 2016 @ 14:20
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" ....bearing in mind that above a CHF 100.000 yearly revenue it's mandatory to register with the Geneva Register of Commerce, as well as VAT "


 


If you have tax purpose in mind as well as focus on your business image in direction of suppliers and clientele you can always register at the Business Registrar in Geneva even as RAISON INDIVIDUELLE. Costs will be kept to a minimum as you save all other costs which are mandatory with SarL registration.


 


Good luck

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" ....bearing in mind that above a CHF 100.000 yearly revenue it's mandatory to register with the Geneva Register of Commerce, as well as VAT "


 


If you have tax purpose in mind as well as focus on your business image in direction of suppliers and clientele you can always register at the Business Registrar in Geneva even as RAISON INDIVIDUELLE. Costs will be kept to a minimum as you save all other costs which are mandatory with SarL registration.


 


Good luck


alfi K, Jan 8, 2016 @ 17:48
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I can recommend https://www.swissregistration.ch/


I created my SARL with them, and it was just perfect and cheap.


Best,


Alex

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I can recommend https://www.swissregistration.ch/


I created my SARL with them, and it was just perfect and cheap.


Best,


Alex


Alexandra M, Jan 12, 2016 @ 12:23
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MIMI  -  As Pawel points out above and from a tax point of view, a R.I is indeed advantageous since it avoids double taxtation, whereas a Sarl does not.


However and that said..........Please and in this context note that, as a part-"remedy" for this unfortunate fact and to encourage small and medium-sized entrepreneurship run in company-form, Switzerland passed a law in 2009; La loi fédérale (2009) sur la réforme de l’imposition des entreprises II, in accordance with which distribution of profit to an owner holding at least 10% of a Swiss company (so called "qualified holding") triggers a 40-50% withholding tax reduction of the distributions paid.


Please and also note that a further tax advantage of running your business in company (rather than in direct R.I ) form is that in Switzerland - as opposed to what is the case in most other countries - payment of annual corporate taxes are for accounting purposes considered as a cost/expense in the company, and is as such deductible before tax payment, e.g. your net coporate taxes are reduced (normally from "standard" approx. 32% to approx. 24,5 %). This is not the case for an R.I , where both federal and cantonal income taxes are progressive (11,5% + 0-31% depending on cantonal "barème"), just like for traditional work-related income.


Both of the above need and should always and also be taken into consideratioalso and form part of your decision "base" as regards choice of business form.


Best - Eva 

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MIMI  -  As Pawel points out above and from a tax point of view, a R.I is indeed advantageous since it avoids double taxtation, whereas a Sarl does not.


However and that said..........Please and in this context note that, as a part-"remedy" for this unfortunate fact and to encourage small and medium-sized entrepreneurship run in company-form, Switzerland passed a law in 2009; La loi fédérale (2009) sur la réforme de l’imposition des entreprises II, in accordance with which distribution of profit to an owner holding at least 10% of a Swiss company (so called "qualified holding") triggers a 40-50% withholding tax reduction of the distributions paid.


Please and also note that a further tax advantage of running your business in company (rather than in direct R.I ) form is that in Switzerland - as opposed to what is the case in most other countries - payment of annual corporate taxes are for accounting purposes considered as a cost/expense in the company, and is as such deductible before tax payment, e.g. your net coporate taxes are reduced (normally from "standard" approx. 32% to approx. 24,5 %). This is not the case for an R.I , where both federal and cantonal income taxes are progressive (11,5% + 0-31% depending on cantonal "barème"), just like for traditional work-related income.


Both of the above need and should always and also be taken into consideratioalso and form part of your decision "base" as regards choice of business form.


Best - Eva 


Eva D, Jan 12, 2016 @ 16:45
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Hello Alex, I had a look at the website and it seemed straight forward.


Could you tell me what you needed to show on hand and total payment for a Sarl during the registration?


Thanks Stewart

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Hello Alex, I had a look at the website and it seemed straight forward.


Could you tell me what you needed to show on hand and total payment for a Sarl during the registration?


Thanks Stewart


Stewart_G, Jan 12, 2016 @ 16:51
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I paid 790 CHF to SwissRegistration (including notary fees) and 740 CHF at the Registre du Commerce.

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I paid 790 CHF to SwissRegistration (including notary fees) and 740 CHF at the Registre du Commerce.


Alexandra M, Jan 12, 2016 @ 17:09
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Hi Alex, thanks for the feedhey back. Sounds good..Did they also ask for copy of your account or?

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Hi Alex, thanks for the feedhey back. Sounds good..Did they also ask for copy of your account or?


Stewart_G, Jan 13, 2016 @ 07:22
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Good Morning, I would like to upgrade my conpany raison individuell into a Sarl.


You mentioned somethng about a notar that could do this fairly cheap.


What do I do at the registre du commerce geneva?


Thanks


Stewart

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Good Morning, I would like to upgrade my conpany raison individuell into a Sarl.


You mentioned somethng about a notar that could do this fairly cheap.


What do I do at the registre du commerce geneva?


Thanks


Stewart


Stewart_G, Oct 29, 2016 @ 08:00
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Hi Stewart,


I am travelling at the moment so I can't answer your question properly. A friend used a notary in Olten in Solothurn/Soleure but I would also say that the weblink that Alex gave is probably in the same price region. The notary usually takes care of the RC part too.


 


Good luck


Anne-Marie

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Hi Stewart,


I am travelling at the moment so I can't answer your question properly. A friend used a notary in Olten in Solothurn/Soleure but I would also say that the weblink that Alex gave is probably in the same price region. The notary usually takes care of the RC part too.


 


Good luck


Anne-Marie


Anne-Marie L, Oct 30, 2016 @ 18:31
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Hello Anne Marie


Many thanks for your response.


I managed to get things in order


as per your response.


Wishing you a great day.


with Kind Regards,


Stewart Goodwyn

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Hello Anne Marie


Many thanks for your response.


I managed to get things in order


as per your response.


Wishing you a great day.


with Kind Regards,


Stewart Goodwyn


Stewart_G, Nov 9, 2016 @ 12:48
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