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Happy July 4th 2010 to all Americans!

So today the US turned 234 years old. Happy birthday!


The recent times have been tough, and far from perfect, but at least in my eyes: the US remains a real beacon of many fundamental human values, and a true great country. 


Happy birthday USA!


 



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So today the US turned 234 years old. Happy birthday!


The recent times have been tough, and far from perfect, but at least in my eyes: the US remains a real beacon of many fundamental human values, and a true great country. 


Happy birthday USA!


 


Nir OfekJul 3, 2010 @ 22:39
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On behalf of the citizens of the United States of America, I would like to express our deepest appreciation, Nir!


Hopefully we keep can keep coming through on those fundamental human values, we appreciate everything our sister countries have done to help as well.


From every mountainside, let freedom ring. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back.


Happy U.S.A. Independence Day!

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On behalf of the citizens of the United States of America, I would like to express our deepest appreciation, Nir!


Hopefully we keep can keep coming through on those fundamental human values, we appreciate everything our sister countries have done to help as well.


From every mountainside, let freedom ring. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back.


Happy U.S.A. Independence Day!


pnaik, Jul 3, 2010 @ 22:43
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GREAT Message - Thanks, Nir!!!

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GREAT Message - Thanks, Nir!!!


J. William Tavelli, Jul 3, 2010 @ 23:24
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THanks very much Nir!   

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THanks very much Nir!   


Laura-Jean A, Jul 3, 2010 @ 23:33
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that was a really sweet message, thanks nir :) happy 4th everyone! come to parc bastions for a dems abroad get together... there will be a bake sale with american goodies :)

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that was a really sweet message, thanks nir :) happy 4th everyone! come to parc bastions for a dems abroad get together... there will be a bake sale with american goodies :)


nhienne, Jul 4, 2010 @ 00:05
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Great message, Nir!


Thank you!

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Great message, Nir!


Thank you!


Tate M, Jul 4, 2010 @ 00:15
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yeah baby, where the bbq at?!

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yeah baby, where the bbq at?!


Ke C, Jul 4, 2010 @ 00:47
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yeah baby, where the bbq at?!


Jul 4, 10 00:47

Ke:


I ask myself the same question! I got a lot of kind "thanks" replies on this post, but I'd trade in all of them for 1 good BBQ invite...(-:


Bring on the hot-dogs and burgers!


Nir

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Ke:


I ask myself the same question! I got a lot of kind "thanks" replies on this post, but I'd trade in all of them for 1 good BBQ invite...(-:


Bring on the hot-dogs and burgers!


Nir


Nir Ofek, Jul 4, 2010 @ 10:09
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  Wishing everyone a "sober and reflective" July 4th". -dj




















Put Away the Flags
Remembering Howard Zinn on July 4th

By Howard Zinn

July 03, 2010 "
The Progressive" -- (originally written in 2006)


On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

Is not nationalism -- that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder -- one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?

These ways of thinking -- cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on -- have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power.

National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica and many more). But in a nation like ours -- huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction -- what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves.


Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.


That self-deception started early.


When the first English settlers moved into Indian land in Massachusetts Bay and were resisted, the violence escalated into war with the Pequot Indians. The killing of Indians was seen as approved by God, the taking of land as commanded by the Bible. The Puritans cited one of the Psalms, which says: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the Earth for thy possession."


When the English set fire to a Pequot village and massacred men, women and children, the Puritan theologian Cotton Mather said: "It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls were brought down to hell that day."


On the eve of the Mexican War, an American journalist declared it our "Manifest Destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence." After the invasion of Mexico began, The New York Herald announced: "We believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country."


It was always supposedly for benign purposes that our country went to war.


We invaded Cuba in 1898 to liberate the Cubans, and went to war in the Philippines shortly after, as President McKinley put it, "to civilize and Christianize" the Filipino people.


As our armies were committing massacres in the Philippines (at least 600,000 Filipinos died in a few years of conflict), Elihu Root, our secretary of war, was saying: "The American soldier is different from all other soldiers of all other countries since the war began. He is the advance guard of liberty and justice, of law and order, and of peace and happiness."


We see in Iraq that our soldiers are not different. They have, perhaps against their better nature, killed thousands of Iraq civilians. And some soldiers have shown themselves capable of brutality, of torture.


Yet they are victims, too, of our government's lies.


How many times have we heard President Bush tell the troops that if they die, if they return without arms or legs, or blinded, it is for "liberty," for "democracy"?


One of the effects of nationalist thinking is a loss of a sense of proportion. The killing of 2,300 people at Pearl Harbor becomes the justification for killing 240,000 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The killing of 3,000 people on Sept. 11 becomes the justification for killing tens of thousands (approximately 1.7 million to date) of people in Afghanistan and Iraq.


And nationalism is given a special virulence when it is said to be blessed by Providence. Today we have a president (Bush), invading two countries in four years, who announced on the campaign trail in 2004 that God speaks through him.


We need to refute the idea that our nation is different from, morally superior to, the other imperial powers of world history.


We need to assert our allegiance to the human race, and not to any one nation.


Howard Zinn, a World War II bombardier, was the author of the best-
selling "A People's History of the United States" (Perennial Classics, 2003, latest edition). This piece was distributed by the Progressive Media Project in 2006.

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  Wishing everyone a "sober and reflective" July 4th". -dj




















Put Away the Flags
Remembering Howard Zinn on July 4th

By Howard Zinn

July 03, 2010 "
The Progressive" -- (originally written in 2006)


On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

Is not nationalism -- that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder -- one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?

These ways of thinking -- cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on -- have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power.

National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica and many more). But in a nation like ours -- huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction -- what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves.


Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.


That self-deception started early.


When the first English settlers moved into Indian land in Massachusetts Bay and were resisted, the violence escalated into war with the Pequot Indians. The killing of Indians was seen as approved by God, the taking of land as commanded by the Bible. The Puritans cited one of the Psalms, which says: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the Earth for thy possession."


When the English set fire to a Pequot village and massacred men, women and children, the Puritan theologian Cotton Mather said: "It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls were brought down to hell that day."


On the eve of the Mexican War, an American journalist declared it our "Manifest Destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence." After the invasion of Mexico began, The New York Herald announced: "We believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country."


It was always supposedly for benign purposes that our country went to war.


We invaded Cuba in 1898 to liberate the Cubans, and went to war in the Philippines shortly after, as President McKinley put it, "to civilize and Christianize" the Filipino people.


As our armies were committing massacres in the Philippines (at least 600,000 Filipinos died in a few years of conflict), Elihu Root, our secretary of war, was saying: "The American soldier is different from all other soldiers of all other countries since the war began. He is the advance guard of liberty and justice, of law and order, and of peace and happiness."


We see in Iraq that our soldiers are not different. They have, perhaps against their better nature, killed thousands of Iraq civilians. And some soldiers have shown themselves capable of brutality, of torture.


Yet they are victims, too, of our government's lies.


How many times have we heard President Bush tell the troops that if they die, if they return without arms or legs, or blinded, it is for "liberty," for "democracy"?


One of the effects of nationalist thinking is a loss of a sense of proportion. The killing of 2,300 people at Pearl Harbor becomes the justification for killing 240,000 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The killing of 3,000 people on Sept. 11 becomes the justification for killing tens of thousands (approximately 1.7 million to date) of people in Afghanistan and Iraq.


And nationalism is given a special virulence when it is said to be blessed by Providence. Today we have a president (Bush), invading two countries in four years, who announced on the campaign trail in 2004 that God speaks through him.


We need to refute the idea that our nation is different from, morally superior to, the other imperial powers of world history.


We need to assert our allegiance to the human race, and not to any one nation.


Howard Zinn, a World War II bombardier, was the author of the best-
selling "A People's History of the United States" (Perennial Classics, 2003, latest edition). This piece was distributed by the Progressive Media Project in 2006.


Douglas Jackson, Jul 4, 2010 @ 10:43
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ai ai ai 

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pnaik, Jul 4, 2010 @ 11:44
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Douglas:


Relax mate. Every country that went throgh a journey should, in my view, feel proud about what it achieved. And every country stands for something a bit different, and there's nothing wrong about celebrating these differences.


I am not talking about the US in particular, I'm talking in general about every country.


So no need to get too "reflective and sober...", just cos you have something good to celebrate.


Nir

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Douglas:


Relax mate. Every country that went throgh a journey should, in my view, feel proud about what it achieved. And every country stands for something a bit different, and there's nothing wrong about celebrating these differences.


I am not talking about the US in particular, I'm talking in general about every country.


So no need to get too "reflective and sober...", just cos you have something good to celebrate.


Nir


Nir Ofek, Jul 4, 2010 @ 11:51
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Hey Nir,


No worries, I am quite relaxed.


You might want to reread the article though because one of the things Zinn pointed out was that we need to stop "celebrating our differences", as you put it, and start asserting our allegiance to the human race as a whole.


Enjoy the BBQ.


Cheers


-dj


 

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Hey Nir,


No worries, I am quite relaxed.


You might want to reread the article though because one of the things Zinn pointed out was that we need to stop "celebrating our differences", as you put it, and start asserting our allegiance to the human race as a whole.


Enjoy the BBQ.


Cheers


-dj


 


Douglas Jackson, Jul 4, 2010 @ 12:00
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Douglas - what BBQ? I'm still waiting for that invite! (-:

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Douglas - what BBQ? I'm still waiting for that invite! (-:


Nir Ofek, Jul 4, 2010 @ 14:08
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Gracias por la bienvenida "Antonio Montana" a los estados unidos!


Thanks 2 USA, I went from dish-washer to super star!


So a big jappy birthday 2 the United Estates of Amerrrrica and enjoy the day...


 


p.s are there any Republicans in geneva?? just curious.... 

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Gracias por la bienvenida "Antonio Montana" a los estados unidos!


Thanks 2 USA, I went from dish-washer to super star!


So a big jappy birthday 2 the United Estates of Amerrrrica and enjoy the day...


 


p.s are there any Republicans in geneva?? just curious.... 


TonyMontana, Jul 4, 2010 @ 15:43
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Thanks 2 USA, I went from dish-washer to super star!


I love the way you focus on the positive - it's also thanks 2 USA that you were shot in the back with a sawn-off shotgun and fell from a second floor balcony. 
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Thanks 2 USA, I went from dish-washer to super star!


I love the way you focus on the positive - it's also thanks 2 USA that you were shot in the back with a sawn-off shotgun and fell from a second floor balcony. 
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