Oh yeah, the person is some sort of political prisoner who has been denied all rights under the US constitution and it would seem that when presented to the US government it was almost as if the US government flaunted its ability to violate international treaties.
worldtodd, Feb 21, 2009 @ 16:08

Try Amnesty International, the American Civil Liberties Union or get a high-profile law professor involved in the case. 

The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights is highly unlikely to get involved in individual cases. 
Translator, Feb 21, 2009 @ 17:56

Yes Whovian the US government interprets issues only in a manner that favors themselves.

To Whovian and Translator

The issue in question actually violates a treaty that actually addresses violations against individuals being victims of unauthorized mental experiments being classified as torture. The person in question was subjected to cruel and unusual treatment by a group of people with defined political affiliations and then subjected to public humiliation by the US Congress and the mass media. It would seem that this person was set up to appear to be involved in crimes that other people who were wealthy were actually guilty of. This person was an easy mark as the cruel treatment caused this person to have behavior that seemed to fit the profile of a guilty person. The person was also the victim of numerous violent crimes allowed by members of the US government who seemed to benefit financially for their denial of involvement. It is a subject of major corruption.

Translator:

Amnesty International stated they would not be involved in this type of issue. The ACLU is a politically biased organization that I believe would not want to be involved as their involvement would implicate politicians and they are biased towards.
worldtodd, Feb 21, 2009 @ 18:13

Well, the ACLU has defended the constitutional rights to free speech and assembly for the Klu Klux Klan.  You  may believe the ACLU is politically biased but they do defend the constitutional rights of organizations fundamentally opposed to their supposed underlying political biases...
Translator, Feb 21, 2009 @ 18:19

I am going to make a statement that is going to make me really sound like a conspiracy theorist or an outsider, but I will take that risk. The USA has a method of inciting emotions to create debate issues like no other country in the world. Their has been some unspoken agreement in the USA as if it were written law to publish mass media stories that make people angry and to use these issues as revenue generators. The news media in the USA and many other organizations operate like corporate tabloid agencies when it comes to reporting stories or stating issues to the people. It is quite difficult to separate the real issues from those that are generated just to incite anger or emotion in people if you are not part of the inner machine of America.

Now that being said, I am not claiming that the representation of the KU Klux Klan by the ACLU was a fake story, but I have decades of experience with the mass media machine and its usage of propaganda to anger and frustrate the masses just to draw viewers. I do not know anything about that KKK case so I will not present my opinion yet, but I do have one and most people probably would accuse me of being delusional for stating it.

This is a case where law enforcement and military personnel working with the private sector were committing crimes intentionally. All signs seem to point to the fact that politicians were aware that this was happening and just looking the other way as they justified these actions by arguing whatever arguments they could conjure up claiming they were good for the community. It appears that politicians allowed the guilty to set up "fall guys" to take the blame for their actions and assisted in establishing businesses that could act as fronts to criminal operations. There are even rumors of politicians benefiting financially for their assistance, very high ranking politicians. It would seem that it is has been developed as some sort of cottage industry in the USA and what is truly a criminal enterprise is being excused as an economic booster.
worldtodd, Feb 21, 2009 @ 18:53

Dear Worldtodd,

I was sorry to hear of the dilemma you are in. I am not an expert on this subject, however thought you might be interested in the following website which focuses on bringing information to the public on mass cover ups : http://www.wanttoknow.info

Perhaps through this website you could access a journalist or someone with experience on this subject who could help you further in directing you to an organisation that would be able to help with your predicament - there is in fact some information on this site on psychological experiments carried out in the US in the 1960s or so (which is not quite the same as your situation, if I have understood it correctly, but which made me think of the site)

I hope this is of some help.

Sajade
Sajade, Feb 21, 2009 @ 19:58

Thank you sajade for providing this web link. I hope it turns out to be useful.

If it does turn out that a journalist is able to help out it would have to be a journalist who does not work for a USA based media outlet as it seems that the American media is and was one the  major benefactors of this criminal enterprise. Being that the media was the major benfactor of this criminal enteprise and their ongoing relationship with politicians, law enforcement, and all other forms of government suggests that the media and its governmental relationships were the driving force behind subjecting these fall guys to public humililation as a distraction to prevent exposure of massive corruption in the United States. The news media has the resources available to financially corrupt entities connected to human rights and US constitutional rights and I keep on hearing how every high profile politician is publishing a new book printed by a news media owned publishing house.
worldtodd, Feb 21, 2009 @ 21:17

Hey sajade,

Thank you again for that weblink. It turns out that the issue actually did involve parts of the US government involved in control media and cover up of issues, but most likely not the military. It seems that the current Attorney General, Eric Holder, approved a criminal conspiracy and ensuing cover up working with the white house back in the mid late nineties with the intent to assert blame on the republican party. He was heavily instrumental in swaying the public opinion that it was a racist issue promoted by white people( supported by current vice president Joe Biden) as part of the public humiliation when in reality it was a huge group of democratic party members terrorizing republicans and soem high profile white people.

I was actually threatened by a high ranking official for the NAACP for being involved in analyzing this issue. He made a stink claiming it was detrimental to the causes of the NAACP to analyze the issue. The case involved in violent and immoral assaults on children who were asian, black, hispanic, and white and he implied that I was racist for trying to get the issue into a courtroom It turns out that Eric Holder's reputation was in jeopardy as well as many high profile celebrities for setting up fall guys to facilitate torture and cover ups for high ranking US politicians.

I am glad to hear that Navathem Pillay is promoting actions against groups who use immoral assaults during wars to get what they want. This issue was raised in December by the human rights council. Not to be too volatile, but I hope that the human rights council can get over its seeming bias towards american democrats over american republicans and take the american offenders into to trial in the international court of justice or maybe use this as an excuse to finally launch an international human rights court.
worldtodd, Feb 23, 2009 @ 04:58

Why didn't the Republican party assist you in your quest over the past 8 years? There was no more powerful or destructive force in the world during that period.  Did they not care about the issues you raised? 

They could have taken down any Democrat they wanted to...they managed to completely humiliate that President Clinton -- they spent 40 million dollars on investigations because he slept with an intern and lied about it to the Special Prosecutor...
Translator, Feb 23, 2009 @ 22:06

Correction:   Clinton humiliated himself.

You could take your claim to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights. They do deal with individual cases.

My previous post was not really sarcastic. I truly would like to know why the Republican party would not assist you in prosecuting your claim.
Translator, Feb 23, 2009 @ 22:54

Hey Translator,

Just to be clear, I have my doubts regarding the two party political system in the United States of America. I don't think the issues I would like to see addressed by the Human rights division of the UN should be isolated as necessarily being a political issue, but that being said any issue where someone can create differing opinions, politicians or at least their strategists seem to want to get involved. That is the essence of the problem I am describing.

The whole problem was created by radical advocacy groups as a political fence for the two sides to bare their teeth at each other about and the situation I am describing is suffering from major disrepair. At some point this fence building would benefit the creators by providing a powerful political manipualtor that eventually would become so established that it would even cause political dependence. So as I point out that there are more obvious problems stemming from one side of that fence, I don't really fancy jumping to one side and attacking the other because one side is less guilty than the other. The reason I point out certain high profile democrat politicians is that a thorough analysis determined that the foundations and blueprints of the operation were heavily favoring a trojan horse operation presented to serve both political parties but in reality was designed to explode in the face of the republican party. In other words what was sold to the USA as a healthy project to be supported by government officials was really a criminal operation with dangerous consequences.

To attempt to answer your question I would have to present arguments about disinformation. Hillary Clinton and Richard Durbin were part of a much larger operation providing disinformation about the republican party for their own political benefit stemming back to their early days connected to the Carter White House. Without divulging too many details that pretty much is all I want to say about that as there is quite a bit of value in that part of the story and I am an capitalist. In reality I can only venture to guess as to all of the reasons these people decide to get involved and to what extent their involvement will be. Colin Powell made the comment stating his attitude "we are going to catch them all". I am not a government insider and for all I know he could have been referring to catching all of the fall guys. I have been looking at this issue pretty intently for about eight years now and it is no closer to resolution and the law enforcement community is still not willing to do what they are constitutionally obligated to do or provide by way of assistance so the issues at hand can be resolved for victims of hte situation. The US government is more interested in protecting its reputation than resolving anything and they are unwilling to abide by the laws they produce and claim to enforce.

That issue about Bill Clinton sleeping with the page was the issue I pointed out that Eric Holder authorized and is also part of the propaganda machine promoted by democratic politicians. That story is also part of a corruption scheme that placed these fall guys center stage for public humiliation. That is also where it gets to be pretty complex to blog about in this type of forum. I don't know what you know about the Monica Lewinsky story, but to put it gently I am intimately involved with it.
worldtodd, Feb 23, 2009 @ 23:44

Well,  I would be among the last of Americans to claim that the current two-party system in the U.S. functions to the benefit of its citizens.  As evidence one only has to point to the hundreds of millions of dollars spent in the previous federal elections. It is particularly scandalous in light of the hundreds of thousands of Americans that are starving, homeless, illiterate, unemployed and uninsured.

That being said, Monica Lewinsky was an intern and was not under age. (That does not mean an abuse of power did not occur, if the sex was not consensual.)

If, however, there were/are Members of Congress of whatever party, color, gender, religious affiliation or sexual preference abusing under-age high-school pages (who work in the U.S. Congress), that indeed is illegal and scandalous.  Those people should be exposed and tried...

Having worked in two of the three branches of the U.S. federal government, I can certainly believe there are untold depths of corruption in Washington, D.C. as well as in other capitals.  And some of the corruption within international organizations is equally bad, if not worse, given that it is well-nigh impossible to expose problems and/or to obtain any sort of justice.

I can only recommend two courses of action:

A) leave the U.S. for a while and have a life somewhere else; or

B) to quote the great and under-praised former President Harry S. Truman, '[i]f you want a friend in Washington [D.C.], get a dog.'
Translator, Feb 24, 2009 @ 00:21

The situation I have tried to introduce to a human rights group is not easily presented. It is heavily yet indirectly intertwined with the daily operations of the US government and they really have no business being involved in it.

How should I say this. Some stories politicians allow to be published about them by the media are not necessarily real stories. The politicians in america sometimes "act" out scenarios that end up becoming revenue generators for the mass media like the local news, jokes for a talk show host, or even entire books written about the fake situation. Sometimes these stories are reproductions of other peoples lives. Possibly in the Monica Lewinsky case the story was a reproduction of a real life situation involving one of these fall guys I keep referring to being set up by someone so as to provide a mutually beneficial situation for Bill Clinton and his co conspirator. You ask why in the heck would something as ludicrous as this actually take place? It is possible that the situation reenacted, not verbatim, but nonetheless reenacted by Bill Clinton was his contribution to an ongoing effort to protect his constituents who were totally abusing the fall guy being mocked in Bill Clinton's reenactment. Perhaps these people enlisting the assistance of Bill Clinton created large sums of money from these abuses and were in jeopardy of losing their wealth should the issue ever reach a courtroom. Perhaps some of these people at that level really do support a selfish agenda protected by doublespeak they spew in their speeches. Perhaps they are plain crazy, Perhaps they were misled. Perhaps it was a long running criminal entity with deep ties to public influences. Anyway, possibly the acting out of these scenarios providing material to write about is the reason why these politicians get book deals. So if a story like the Monica Lewinsky debacle was reenactment of someone else's life who was being illegally victimized in real life to Bill Clinton's pleasure resulting in material to be reproduced by multiple mass media entities, how difficult is the situation for the guy being mocked and being made a victim. And does that make any point about Bill Clinton receiving millions from a book publisher who profited from his earlier mockery of a victim.

It would be a huge issue that would be extremely challenging for a small group or even one or two people to handle or address on their own. That is why I think an ohchr office rep should be interested in hearing the case.
worldtodd, Feb 24, 2009 @ 01:05

Oh and leaving the country sounds all well and good, but much easier said than done.

I traveled blindly to the Vatican in 2006 after several hundred letters to the UN did not receive response. I hoped to be able to gain access to their officials with the ignorant opinion that the country being such a tiny member of the UN it might offer easier access. I thought they would be especially intrigued by an issue of such moral interest. I was able to speak with a member of a division of their government, but our conversation was relayed in full back to the US Congress kind of defeating my purpose of trying to separate them from the issue.

I have written many more letters since then to the UN in hopes of gaining access to their hierarchy who would then reivew my complaints. At one point I did gain live video conference access to some ambassadors in the main chamber, but that was very short lived. I seemed to run into some sort of interference.

The US has made it difficult for some of these "fall guys" to go anywhere and establish themselves. They were labeled as terrorists by the US Congress no matter what sort of set up they were victim of and the US government presented these reputations to the UN as supposedly "known" problems to be wary of should they present themselves for any reason in other countries. In some cases these people were led to believe their properties taken from them were being developed and would provide them a profitable future, and these people were denied the right to formal educations with some being even in their forties denied work for decades basically held hostage on what would best be described as house arrest with basic government subsistence. Subjected to malpractice by the medical community, denied legal assistance, and pretty much left in the gutter with not enough to get to another country and establish themselves. These are people who judges maliciously denied evidence to be entered in their defense while the judges themselves were fully aware that the evidence presented would clear their names as the government lawyers were priming witnesses with information to pad their cases.

Its really the type of case that is just loaded with problems.
worldtodd, Feb 24, 2009 @ 02:01