Although my questions might sound a bit weird, I thought it's worth opening a thread.We are 2 of many many people that are looking for an appartment in Geneva. We went already another time through the flat-regie-hunting here. But as we are planning to move we have to go through it again.I totally forgot what pain in the ass this can be. However I faced a lot of people from all different regies. We applied, got rejected or never heard from the regie again (okay we also got 2 apt's which we finally rejected). After a while there are certain questions arising like: what exactly is it that the regie's put their focus on? Only the Income? Number of people mentioned on the application? Is it the time the applicant is already in Geneva that matters? Nationality? Reason for moving? Motivation letter?
If you work for a regie (I know, highly unlikely), have a friend who does or if you just faced the same problems/questions let me know.Would be interesting to find some answers or just to hear about your experiences.
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Nov 2, 2009 @ 22:01
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Although my questions might sound a bit weird, I thought it's worth opening a thread.We are 2 of many many people that are looking for an appartment in Geneva. We went already another time through the flat-regie-hunting here. But as we are planning to move we have to go through it again.I totally forgot what pain in the ass this can be. However I faced a lot of people from all different regies. We applied, got rejected or never heard from the regie again (okay we also got 2 apt's which we finally rejected). After a while there are certain questions arising like: what exactly is it that the regie's put their focus on? Only the Income? Number of people mentioned on the application? Is it the time the applicant is already in Geneva that matters? Nationality? Reason for moving? Motivation letter?
If you work for a regie (I know, highly unlikely), have a friend who does or if you just faced the same problems/questions let me know.Would be interesting to find some answers or just to hear about your experiences.
winnieshoeNov 2, 2009 @ 22:01
If you work for a regie (I know, highly unlikely), have a friend who does or if you just faced the same problems/questions let me know.Would be interesting to find some answers or just to hear about your experiences.
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Nov 2, 2009 @ 22:38
Although my questions might sound a bit weird, I thought it's worth opening a thread.We are 2 of many many people that are looking for an appartment in Geneva. We went already another time through the flat-regie-hunting here. But as we are planning to move we have to go through it again.I totally forgot what pain in the ass this can be. However I faced a lot of people from all different regies. We applied, got rejected or never heard from the regie again (okay we also got 2 apt's which we finally rejected). After a while there are certain questions arising like: what exactly is it that the regie's put their focus on? Only the Income? Number of people mentioned on the application? Is it the time the applicant is already in Geneva that matters? Nationality? Reason for moving? Motivation letter?
If you work for a regie (I know, highly unlikely), have a friend who does or if you just faced the same problems/questions let me know.Would be interesting to find some answers or just to hear about your experiences.
Nov 2, 09 22:01
If you work for a regie (I know, highly unlikely), have a friend who does or if you just faced the same problems/questions let me know.Would be interesting to find some answers or just to hear about your experiences.
Nov 2, 09 22:01
I have nothing to do with a regie, but if you're looking for a new flat, we're moving out of ours nice 2 bedroom flat by the end of December ( contract till June 2010 with an extension if you want). I will be posting it soon on glocals. If you're interested, send me an email.
Marz
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I have nothing to do with a regie, but if you're looking for a new flat, we're moving out of ours nice 2 bedroom flat by the end of December ( contract till June 2010 with an extension if you want). I will be posting it soon on glocals. If you're interested, send me an email.
Marz
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Nov 2, 2009 @ 23:44
the secret to the regies if you want to give your apartment to someone is this: when you go you must say your freind who wants the place is already living there. its very difficult to kick out someone already there. As long as that person has teh job and income and proper permis, he should get in on top of the list.. otherwise regies will say they dont pass and give it to their clients. see our post in cassifeds wanted, its a 1000chf reward for the correct aparmtment.
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the secret to the regies if you want to give your apartment to someone is this: when you go you must say your freind who wants the place is already living there. its very difficult to kick out someone already there. As long as that person has teh job and income and proper permis, he should get in on top of the list.. otherwise regies will say they dont pass and give it to their clients. see our post in cassifeds wanted, its a 1000chf reward for the correct aparmtment.
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 09:46
Winnie:
I don't work for a Regie, but know a friend who runs a large relocation agency, and I just forwarded your email to her. She works daily with the Regies, so could have good info for you. I hope she'll decide to reply.
Nir
I don't work for a Regie, but know a friend who runs a large relocation agency, and I just forwarded your email to her. She works daily with the Regies, so could have good info for you. I hope she'll decide to reply.
Nir
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Winnie:
I don't work for a Regie, but know a friend who runs a large relocation agency, and I just forwarded your email to her. She works daily with the Regies, so could have good info for you. I hope she'll decide to reply.
Nir
Nir Ofek, Nov 3, 2009 @ 09:46
I don't work for a Regie, but know a friend who runs a large relocation agency, and I just forwarded your email to her. She works daily with the Regies, so could have good info for you. I hope she'll decide to reply.
Nir
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 10:21
Thank you so much Nir. That's really really nice!I actually start to believe that without any contacts or connections it's close to impossible to find something nice. And it's not that our expectations are so high or our price limitations are too low. However, in case you need any further informations let me know!
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Thank you so much Nir. That's really really nice!I actually start to believe that without any contacts or connections it's close to impossible to find something nice. And it's not that our expectations are so high or our price limitations are too low. However, in case you need any further informations let me know!
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 11:17
When I applied for my apartment (which was a long time ago) and I asked that question, my regie told me it depended upon who owned the apartment and their agreement with the regie. More specifically, they said that if the decision was left to the Regie they applied the first come first served rule: the first applicant with a completed file who qualified got awarded the apartment. However, if the decision is the owner's, they send the applications to that person and then "it is anyone's guess as to how the decision is taken" because there didn't seem to be any pattern to it. Consequently, I was told it is always worth applying because you just don't know how the decision will be made. In my case, the applications were sent to the owner, who narrowed the choice down to me and someone else, and the Regie was instructed to contact both of us to find out if either one of us was no longer interested. Since we both said we were interested, the owner then had to choose between us (and luckily it was me).
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When I applied for my apartment (which was a long time ago) and I asked that question, my regie told me it depended upon who owned the apartment and their agreement with the regie. More specifically, they said that if the decision was left to the Regie they applied the first come first served rule: the first applicant with a completed file who qualified got awarded the apartment. However, if the decision is the owner's, they send the applications to that person and then "it is anyone's guess as to how the decision is taken" because there didn't seem to be any pattern to it. Consequently, I was told it is always worth applying because you just don't know how the decision will be made. In my case, the applications were sent to the owner, who narrowed the choice down to me and someone else, and the Regie was instructed to contact both of us to find out if either one of us was no longer interested. Since we both said we were interested, the owner then had to choose between us (and luckily it was me).
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 13:49
Oh, do you know which regie was the "first come first served"-one? Maybe we should try it with them. After all, we can be fast :-)! However, thank you for your response. Haven't heard about that kind of criteria yet. Also I'm wondering if the regie's are obliged to present a certain (huge) number of applicants to the owner. Cause even if they already have some matching applicants they are looking for more. This morning one told me they "only" have 10 applications and therefore they will put it on their webpage as well (it was an an appartment, found over glocals). Well, I have to say it....that's sick!
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Oh, do you know which regie was the "first come first served"-one? Maybe we should try it with them. After all, we can be fast :-)! However, thank you for your response. Haven't heard about that kind of criteria yet. Also I'm wondering if the regie's are obliged to present a certain (huge) number of applicants to the owner. Cause even if they already have some matching applicants they are looking for more. This morning one told me they "only" have 10 applications and therefore they will put it on their webpage as well (it was an an appartment, found over glocals). Well, I have to say it....that's sick!
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 14:51
I think it was Regie Foncière (there was a change of regie for the building several years back); at the time they were located on the pedestrian street with the merry-go-round on it, going up to the old town. And yes, I have also heard that there needs to be a minimum number of applications, but am willing to bet that the number is going to vary from regie to regie. Good luck!
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I think it was Regie Foncière (there was a change of regie for the building several years back); at the time they were located on the pedestrian street with the merry-go-round on it, going up to the old town. And yes, I have also heard that there needs to be a minimum number of applications, but am willing to bet that the number is going to vary from regie to regie. Good luck!
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 16:31
my 2 cents...BIGGEST NIGHTMARE IN THE WORLD, ACTUALLY ON THE VERGE OF GIVING IN & HEADING OFF... GENEVA JUST ISN'T WORTH IT!
It really shouldn't be this difficult to find a bloody apartment, there are so many people simply looking for a place to come back to relax to, & instead are having to spend hours of their day trying to deal with this crap. As much as i really want stay & am leaving an absolutely stunning project... for peace of mind i will most likely be off...
It really shouldn't be this difficult to find a bloody apartment, there are so many people simply looking for a place to come back to relax to, & instead are having to spend hours of their day trying to deal with this crap. As much as i really want stay & am leaving an absolutely stunning project... for peace of mind i will most likely be off...
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my 2 cents...BIGGEST NIGHTMARE IN THE WORLD, ACTUALLY ON THE VERGE OF GIVING IN & HEADING OFF... GENEVA JUST ISN'T WORTH IT!
It really shouldn't be this difficult to find a bloody apartment, there are so many people simply looking for a place to come back to relax to, & instead are having to spend hours of their day trying to deal with this crap. As much as i really want stay & am leaving an absolutely stunning project... for peace of mind i will most likely be off...
juzay, Nov 3, 2009 @ 16:31
It really shouldn't be this difficult to find a bloody apartment, there are so many people simply looking for a place to come back to relax to, & instead are having to spend hours of their day trying to deal with this crap. As much as i really want stay & am leaving an absolutely stunning project... for peace of mind i will most likely be off...
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:14
Hi there and g'day.
I'm sorry to write you straight like that, but I have been trough the same thing for 2 years...I am a italian citizen, permis B, working for ville de Genève past 3 years....and just looking forward to have a confortable place to live.
I visited over 30 flats now and as we know, most of it I've got no answer from the "régis" or just a letter mention that it wasn't good. Plus the 17 francs, and time going to office de blah blah blah for the non porsuite...every 2 or 3 months.
Could you please forward my message to that friend of yours....and see if she can help? I already propose, twice to renew a flat that I liked, didn't work, I did propose to negociate a rent rise for a 4 pièces at 1500 francs...didn't work....I really have no idea what to do or where to go to from here, it is a shame in a city like Geneva to face things like that...thanks' for all,
alexandre rizzo
www.alerizzo.com
079 243-4657
I'm sorry to write you straight like that, but I have been trough the same thing for 2 years...I am a italian citizen, permis B, working for ville de Genève past 3 years....and just looking forward to have a confortable place to live.
I visited over 30 flats now and as we know, most of it I've got no answer from the "régis" or just a letter mention that it wasn't good. Plus the 17 francs, and time going to office de blah blah blah for the non porsuite...every 2 or 3 months.
Could you please forward my message to that friend of yours....and see if she can help? I already propose, twice to renew a flat that I liked, didn't work, I did propose to negociate a rent rise for a 4 pièces at 1500 francs...didn't work....I really have no idea what to do or where to go to from here, it is a shame in a city like Geneva to face things like that...thanks' for all,
alexandre rizzo
www.alerizzo.com
079 243-4657
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Hi there and g'day.
I'm sorry to write you straight like that, but I have been trough the same thing for 2 years...I am a italian citizen, permis B, working for ville de Genève past 3 years....and just looking forward to have a confortable place to live.
I visited over 30 flats now and as we know, most of it I've got no answer from the "régis" or just a letter mention that it wasn't good. Plus the 17 francs, and time going to office de blah blah blah for the non porsuite...every 2 or 3 months.
Could you please forward my message to that friend of yours....and see if she can help? I already propose, twice to renew a flat that I liked, didn't work, I did propose to negociate a rent rise for a 4 pièces at 1500 francs...didn't work....I really have no idea what to do or where to go to from here, it is a shame in a city like Geneva to face things like that...thanks' for all,
alexandre rizzo
www.alerizzo.com
079 243-4657
Ale Rizzo, Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:14
I'm sorry to write you straight like that, but I have been trough the same thing for 2 years...I am a italian citizen, permis B, working for ville de Genève past 3 years....and just looking forward to have a confortable place to live.
I visited over 30 flats now and as we know, most of it I've got no answer from the "régis" or just a letter mention that it wasn't good. Plus the 17 francs, and time going to office de blah blah blah for the non porsuite...every 2 or 3 months.
Could you please forward my message to that friend of yours....and see if she can help? I already propose, twice to renew a flat that I liked, didn't work, I did propose to negociate a rent rise for a 4 pièces at 1500 francs...didn't work....I really have no idea what to do or where to go to from here, it is a shame in a city like Geneva to face things like that...thanks' for all,
alexandre rizzo
www.alerizzo.com
079 243-4657
Ale Rizzo, Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:14
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:35
Hi there and g'day.
I'm sorry to write you straight like that, but I have been trough the same thing for 2 years...I am a italian citizen, permis B, working for ville de Genève past 3 years....and just looking forward to have a confortable place to live.
I visited over 30 flats now and as we know, most of it I've got no answer from the "régis" or just a letter mention that it wasn't good. Plus the 17 francs, and time going to office de blah blah blah for the non porsuite...every 2 or 3 months.
Could you please forward my message to that friend of yours....and see if she can help? I already propose, twice to renew a flat that I liked, didn't work, I did propose to negociate a rent rise for a 4 pièces at 1500 francs...didn't work....I really have no idea what to do or where to go to from here, it is a shame in a city like Geneva to face things like that...thanks' for all,
alexandre rizzo
www.alerizzo.com
079 243-4657
Nov 3, 09 17:14
I'm sorry to write you straight like that, but I have been trough the same thing for 2 years...I am a italian citizen, permis B, working for ville de Genève past 3 years....and just looking forward to have a confortable place to live.
I visited over 30 flats now and as we know, most of it I've got no answer from the "régis" or just a letter mention that it wasn't good. Plus the 17 francs, and time going to office de blah blah blah for the non porsuite...every 2 or 3 months.
Could you please forward my message to that friend of yours....and see if she can help? I already propose, twice to renew a flat that I liked, didn't work, I did propose to negociate a rent rise for a 4 pièces at 1500 francs...didn't work....I really have no idea what to do or where to go to from here, it is a shame in a city like Geneva to face things like that...thanks' for all,
alexandre rizzo
www.alerizzo.com
079 243-4657
Nov 3, 09 17:14
Ale
Never mind on my email, just re-read this sorry doing 4 things at once!
J
Never mind on my email, just re-read this sorry doing 4 things at once!
J
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Never mind on my email, just re-read this sorry doing 4 things at once!
J
juzay, Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:35
Never mind on my email, just re-read this sorry doing 4 things at once!
J
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Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:41
Dear all,
Difficult to answer to all of your questions and I certainly understand your frustration because even as a well knowned relocation company on the market since 20 years we do face similar problems.
First of all, you have to realize that this is a political problem. Geneva hasn't build enough in the last decades and therefore we are today facing a huge shortage on the rental and buying market leading to this awful situation.
You also need to put yourself in the position of the regies: they receive between 50 and 100 application per apartment (sometimes even more). They just cannot get their phone and call each and every person that has applied to tell them the apartment has been given to someone else. Neither will they contact you if your file isn't perfect.
When receiving a file, the agencies will first check if they are complete and then look at the following:
- Size of the family (some will prefer with children some won't)
- Nationality of the tenants (many will prefer foreigners but some won't)
- Language spoken (it might be better not to speak French...)
- Employing company (some will prefer an NGO, some a multinational, etc)
- and of course annual salary (but sometimes it's better not to earn too much...)
Here are a few tricks when you apply for a rental object
A. Have a perfect file ready to use (scanned and on paper):
- Passport copy for all tenant
- Work and residence permit copies
- Salary attestation (a letter from your employer stating your current position, since when you have been working in the company and how much money you make a year).
- A recommandation letter is a plus (can be included in the salary attestation)
- "Attestation de non-poursuite" only if you have been living in Geneva or Switzerland for more than 3 months. Otherwise, just inform the agency you just arrived and therefore don't have one.
A. Apply immediately per email, fax or in person. They are still a few agencies that will automatically give the apartment to the first complete file they receive.
C. Don't call the agencies more than twice a week (once would even be better), otherwise they will consider you too pushy (and no-one wants a pushy tenant when they can get one that isn't).
D. Tell everyone you know that you are looking for an apartment. Beeing first in line is always a plus.
I trully hope these few infos will help you, but unfortunately nothing can be done quickly regarding the lack of availabilities.
Good luck to you all
Best regards
Sabine (Active Relocation)
[email protected]
+41 79 632 82 33
Difficult to answer to all of your questions and I certainly understand your frustration because even as a well knowned relocation company on the market since 20 years we do face similar problems.
First of all, you have to realize that this is a political problem. Geneva hasn't build enough in the last decades and therefore we are today facing a huge shortage on the rental and buying market leading to this awful situation.
You also need to put yourself in the position of the regies: they receive between 50 and 100 application per apartment (sometimes even more). They just cannot get their phone and call each and every person that has applied to tell them the apartment has been given to someone else. Neither will they contact you if your file isn't perfect.
When receiving a file, the agencies will first check if they are complete and then look at the following:
- Size of the family (some will prefer with children some won't)
- Nationality of the tenants (many will prefer foreigners but some won't)
- Language spoken (it might be better not to speak French...)
- Employing company (some will prefer an NGO, some a multinational, etc)
- and of course annual salary (but sometimes it's better not to earn too much...)
Here are a few tricks when you apply for a rental object
A. Have a perfect file ready to use (scanned and on paper):
- Passport copy for all tenant
- Work and residence permit copies
- Salary attestation (a letter from your employer stating your current position, since when you have been working in the company and how much money you make a year).
- A recommandation letter is a plus (can be included in the salary attestation)
- "Attestation de non-poursuite" only if you have been living in Geneva or Switzerland for more than 3 months. Otherwise, just inform the agency you just arrived and therefore don't have one.
A. Apply immediately per email, fax or in person. They are still a few agencies that will automatically give the apartment to the first complete file they receive.
C. Don't call the agencies more than twice a week (once would even be better), otherwise they will consider you too pushy (and no-one wants a pushy tenant when they can get one that isn't).
D. Tell everyone you know that you are looking for an apartment. Beeing first in line is always a plus.
I trully hope these few infos will help you, but unfortunately nothing can be done quickly regarding the lack of availabilities.
Good luck to you all
Best regards
Sabine (Active Relocation)
[email protected]
+41 79 632 82 33
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Dear all,
Difficult to answer to all of your questions and I certainly understand your frustration because even as a well knowned relocation company on the market since 20 years we do face similar problems.
First of all, you have to realize that this is a political problem. Geneva hasn't build enough in the last decades and therefore we are today facing a huge shortage on the rental and buying market leading to this awful situation.
You also need to put yourself in the position of the regies: they receive between 50 and 100 application per apartment (sometimes even more). They just cannot get their phone and call each and every person that has applied to tell them the apartment has been given to someone else. Neither will they contact you if your file isn't perfect.
When receiving a file, the agencies will first check if they are complete and then look at the following:
- Size of the family (some will prefer with children some won't)
- Nationality of the tenants (many will prefer foreigners but some won't)
- Language spoken (it might be better not to speak French...)
- Employing company (some will prefer an NGO, some a multinational, etc)
- and of course annual salary (but sometimes it's better not to earn too much...)
Here are a few tricks when you apply for a rental object
A. Have a perfect file ready to use (scanned and on paper):
- Passport copy for all tenant
- Work and residence permit copies
- Salary attestation (a letter from your employer stating your current position, since when you have been working in the company and how much money you make a year).
- A recommandation letter is a plus (can be included in the salary attestation)
- "Attestation de non-poursuite" only if you have been living in Geneva or Switzerland for more than 3 months. Otherwise, just inform the agency you just arrived and therefore don't have one.
A. Apply immediately per email, fax or in person. They are still a few agencies that will automatically give the apartment to the first complete file they receive.
C. Don't call the agencies more than twice a week (once would even be better), otherwise they will consider you too pushy (and no-one wants a pushy tenant when they can get one that isn't).
D. Tell everyone you know that you are looking for an apartment. Beeing first in line is always a plus.
I trully hope these few infos will help you, but unfortunately nothing can be done quickly regarding the lack of availabilities.
Good luck to you all
Best regards
Sabine (Active Relocation)
[email protected]
+41 79 632 82 33
Sabine Eve B, Nov 3, 2009 @ 17:41
Difficult to answer to all of your questions and I certainly understand your frustration because even as a well knowned relocation company on the market since 20 years we do face similar problems.
First of all, you have to realize that this is a political problem. Geneva hasn't build enough in the last decades and therefore we are today facing a huge shortage on the rental and buying market leading to this awful situation.
You also need to put yourself in the position of the regies: they receive between 50 and 100 application per apartment (sometimes even more). They just cannot get their phone and call each and every person that has applied to tell them the apartment has been given to someone else. Neither will they contact you if your file isn't perfect.
When receiving a file, the agencies will first check if they are complete and then look at the following:
- Size of the family (some will prefer with children some won't)
- Nationality of the tenants (many will prefer foreigners but some won't)
- Language spoken (it might be better not to speak French...)
- Employing company (some will prefer an NGO, some a multinational, etc)
- and of course annual salary (but sometimes it's better not to earn too much...)
Here are a few tricks when you apply for a rental object
A. Have a perfect file ready to use (scanned and on paper):
- Passport copy for all tenant
- Work and residence permit copies
- Salary attestation (a letter from your employer stating your current position, since when you have been working in the company and how much money you make a year).
- A recommandation letter is a plus (can be included in the salary attestation)
- "Attestation de non-poursuite" only if you have been living in Geneva or Switzerland for more than 3 months. Otherwise, just inform the agency you just arrived and therefore don't have one.
A. Apply immediately per email, fax or in person. They are still a few agencies that will automatically give the apartment to the first complete file they receive.
C. Don't call the agencies more than twice a week (once would even be better), otherwise they will consider you too pushy (and no-one wants a pushy tenant when they can get one that isn't).
D. Tell everyone you know that you are looking for an apartment. Beeing first in line is always a plus.
I trully hope these few infos will help you, but unfortunately nothing can be done quickly regarding the lack of availabilities.
Good luck to you all
Best regards
Sabine (Active Relocation)
[email protected]
+41 79 632 82 33
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Feb 19, 2010 @ 13:47
How do Regies work - They DON'T!!! It's a protection racket
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Feb 22, 2010 @ 14:10
Hi all
I have another Regie related issue. I would be glad if someone can help on this.
The problem is something like this :
I want to leave my apartment by the End of February and I have obviously paid the full rent of February. But my regie wants me to vacate the apartment on 26th February instead of 28th Feb or 1st March because 26th February is the last working day of the month. I think this is unfair as I have paid the whole rent and hence I should be allowed to stay for the whole month.
But they point out that somewhere in the contract it is written that I should leave on the last working day of the month. Off course, I did not read the fine print before signing the contract. But I still think it is a unfair clause in the contract especially since they have made me pay the full rent for the month.
Besides I can move into the new apartment only on the 1st of March, so am I supposed to stay in a hotel for the two days ?'
Does anyone know is this legal what they are doing or can I insist that I will leave only on 28th Feb ?
I will be very grateful if anyone can answer my question.
Thanking you in advance.
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Hi all
I have another Regie related issue. I would be glad if someone can help on this.
The problem is something like this :
I want to leave my apartment by the End of February and I have obviously paid the full rent of February. But my regie wants me to vacate the apartment on 26th February instead of 28th Feb or 1st March because 26th February is the last working day of the month. I think this is unfair as I have paid the whole rent and hence I should be allowed to stay for the whole month.
But they point out that somewhere in the contract it is written that I should leave on the last working day of the month. Off course, I did not read the fine print before signing the contract. But I still think it is a unfair clause in the contract especially since they have made me pay the full rent for the month.
Besides I can move into the new apartment only on the 1st of March, so am I supposed to stay in a hotel for the two days ?'
Does anyone know is this legal what they are doing or can I insist that I will leave only on 28th Feb ?
I will be very grateful if anyone can answer my question.
Thanking you in advance.
H
hoze, Feb 22, 2010 @ 14:10
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Feb 22, 2010 @ 14:36
Hoze,
Fair or not fair, if you signed it - they're likely to win if it ever gets to a legal battle, I think. But I'm not a lawyer, so might be totally off.
Best is for you is to contact Asloca, whose specialty is giving legal advice to tenants.
And if you do get a legal reply on it, pls let us know the answer...(-:
Thanks, and good luck,
Nir
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Hoze,
Fair or not fair, if you signed it - they're likely to win if it ever gets to a legal battle, I think. But I'm not a lawyer, so might be totally off.
Best is for you is to contact Asloca, whose specialty is giving legal advice to tenants.
And if you do get a legal reply on it, pls let us know the answer...(-:
Thanks, and good luck,
Nir
Nir Ofek, Feb 22, 2010 @ 14:36
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Feb 24, 2010 @ 15:30
Hoze,
Fair or not fair, if you signed it - they're likely to win if it ever gets to a legal battle, I think. But I'm not a lawyer, so might be totally off.
Best is for you is to contact Asloca, whose specialty is giving legal advice to tenants.
And if you do get a legal reply on it, pls let us know the answer...(-:
Thanks, and good luck,
Nir
Feb 22, 10 14:36
Hey,
So I won the battle :-))
I contacted protection juridique and they sent me a copy of the law which says that the tennant can stay atleast until the end of the month for which he has paid full rent. Additionally, he can also stay until mid-day next day in special circumstances. Also, it is illegal for the Regie to put a clause which was in my contract : "The tennant has to leave on the last working day of the month".
I sent this information to the Regie and they gave up. Problem solved.
Thanks to those who sent me info on this topic.
Cheers,
H
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Hey,
So I won the battle :-))
I contacted protection juridique and they sent me a copy of the law which says that the tennant can stay atleast until the end of the month for which he has paid full rent. Additionally, he can also stay until mid-day next day in special circumstances. Also, it is illegal for the Regie to put a clause which was in my contract : "The tennant has to leave on the last working day of the month".
I sent this information to the Regie and they gave up. Problem solved.
Thanks to those who sent me info on this topic.
Cheers,
H
hoze, Feb 24, 2010 @ 15:30
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Feb 24, 2010 @ 15:40
Hoze: good for you mate! A victory for the regular guy over the big regie...(-.
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Hoze: good for you mate! A victory for the regular guy over the big regie...(-.
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Feb 24, 2010 @ 15:51
BRILLIANT H, & THANKS FOR THAT LINK NIR...
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Mar 16, 2010 @ 16:04
Thanks to everyone, especially Sabine, for all the useful information. I have a related question.
I recently tried applying for a lease for an apartment my friend was living in (she is moving away and would like to transfer the lease to me). I was rejected because my financial statements show that I don't make enough money in the regie's eyes. However, I heard that a few generations of renters back, someone who was in a similar financial situation was able to get this apartment by having her parents give some kind of guarantee that they would pay the rent if she ever couldn't, since they made enough money to satisfy the regie.
Can this really be done? If so, what are the specifics of the forms I need to ask for from the regie? In the US, where I'm from, this sounds a lot like having your parents co-sign the lease, but I don't know the specifics for how it works in Geneva and don't want to confuse myself or the regie by asking for the wrong thing. Can anyone who has any knowledge of this speak up and inform me?
Many thanks,
Rachel
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Thanks to everyone, especially Sabine, for all the useful information. I have a related question.
I recently tried applying for a lease for an apartment my friend was living in (she is moving away and would like to transfer the lease to me). I was rejected because my financial statements show that I don't make enough money in the regie's eyes. However, I heard that a few generations of renters back, someone who was in a similar financial situation was able to get this apartment by having her parents give some kind of guarantee that they would pay the rent if she ever couldn't, since they made enough money to satisfy the regie.
Can this really be done? If so, what are the specifics of the forms I need to ask for from the regie? In the US, where I'm from, this sounds a lot like having your parents co-sign the lease, but I don't know the specifics for how it works in Geneva and don't want to confuse myself or the regie by asking for the wrong thing. Can anyone who has any knowledge of this speak up and inform me?
Many thanks,
Rachel
RPYohay, Mar 16, 2010 @ 16:04
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Mar 16, 2010 @ 19:25
How do Regies work - They DON'T!!! It's a protection racket
Feb 19, 10 13:47
oh, totally !
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Jun 19, 2016 @ 00:47
Dear all,
Difficult to answer to all of your questions and I certainly understand your frustration because even as a well knowned relocation company on the market since 20 years we do face similar problems.
First of all, you have to realize that this is a political problem. Geneva hasn't build enough in the last decades and therefore we are today facing a huge shortage on the rental and buying market leading to this awful situation.
You also need to put yourself in the position of the regies: they receive between 50 and 100 application per apartment (sometimes even more). They just cannot get their phone and call each and every person that has applied to tell them the apartment has been given to someone else. Neither will they contact you if your file isn't perfect.
When receiving a file, the agencies will first check if they are complete and then look at the following:
- Size of the family (some will prefer with children some won't)
- Nationality of the tenants (many will prefer foreigners but some won't)
- Language spoken (it might be better not to speak French...)
- Employing company (some will prefer an NGO, some a multinational, etc)
- and of course annual salary (but sometimes it's better not to earn too much...)
Here are a few tricks when you apply for a rental object
A. Have a perfect file ready to use (scanned and on paper):
- Passport copy for all tenant
- Work and residence permit copies
- Salary attestation (a letter from your employer stating your current position, since when you have been working in the company and how much money you make a year).
- A recommandation letter is a plus (can be included in the salary attestation)
- "Attestation de non-poursuite" only if you have been living in Geneva or Switzerland for more than 3 months. Otherwise, just inform the agency you just arrived and therefore don't have one.
A. Apply immediately per email, fax or in person. They are still a few agencies that will automatically give the apartment to the first complete file they receive.
C. Don't call the agencies more than twice a week (once would even be better), otherwise they will consider you too pushy (and no-one wants a pushy tenant when they can get one that isn't).
D. Tell everyone you know that you are looking for an apartment. Beeing first in line is always a plus.
I trully hope these few infos will help you, but unfortunately nothing can be done quickly regarding the lack of availabilities.
Good luck to you all
Best regards
Sabine (Active Relocation)
[email protected]
+41 79 632 82 33
Nov 3, 09 17:41
Difficult to answer to all of your questions and I certainly understand your frustration because even as a well knowned relocation company on the market since 20 years we do face similar problems.
First of all, you have to realize that this is a political problem. Geneva hasn't build enough in the last decades and therefore we are today facing a huge shortage on the rental and buying market leading to this awful situation.
You also need to put yourself in the position of the regies: they receive between 50 and 100 application per apartment (sometimes even more). They just cannot get their phone and call each and every person that has applied to tell them the apartment has been given to someone else. Neither will they contact you if your file isn't perfect.
When receiving a file, the agencies will first check if they are complete and then look at the following:
- Size of the family (some will prefer with children some won't)
- Nationality of the tenants (many will prefer foreigners but some won't)
- Language spoken (it might be better not to speak French...)
- Employing company (some will prefer an NGO, some a multinational, etc)
- and of course annual salary (but sometimes it's better not to earn too much...)
Here are a few tricks when you apply for a rental object
A. Have a perfect file ready to use (scanned and on paper):
- Passport copy for all tenant
- Work and residence permit copies
- Salary attestation (a letter from your employer stating your current position, since when you have been working in the company and how much money you make a year).
- A recommandation letter is a plus (can be included in the salary attestation)
- "Attestation de non-poursuite" only if you have been living in Geneva or Switzerland for more than 3 months. Otherwise, just inform the agency you just arrived and therefore don't have one.
A. Apply immediately per email, fax or in person. They are still a few agencies that will automatically give the apartment to the first complete file they receive.
C. Don't call the agencies more than twice a week (once would even be better), otherwise they will consider you too pushy (and no-one wants a pushy tenant when they can get one that isn't).
D. Tell everyone you know that you are looking for an apartment. Beeing first in line is always a plus.
I trully hope these few infos will help you, but unfortunately nothing can be done quickly regarding the lack of availabilities.
Good luck to you all
Best regards
Sabine (Active Relocation)
[email protected]
+41 79 632 82 33
Nov 3, 09 17:41
Thank you very much for posting this helpful information on how to prepare an application dossier for the régies. My husband (an EU national) and I (American) are moving to Geneva in September. For our application, we would already be able to provide his work contract, along with copies of our passports and residence permits; my own work permit won't be issued until several weeks after our arrival. Will our dossier be considered incomplete if we don't have my work permit yet (but have a reasonable-enough salary to apply with)? Could we provide a document from his new employer confirming that he and I will both have work permits? Would it help to include pay stubs from one of our current employers and/or a recommendation letter from our current landlord (in the US)? Finally, would the régie be concerned about my current lack of employment? Some of these questions may be obvious, but I'd be grateful for any advice.
Best,
Yvette
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Thank you very much for posting this helpful information on how to prepare an application dossier for the régies. My husband (an EU national) and I (American) are moving to Geneva in September. For our application, we would already be able to provide his work contract, along with copies of our passports and residence permits; my own work permit won't be issued until several weeks after our arrival. Will our dossier be considered incomplete if we don't have my work permit yet (but have a reasonable-enough salary to apply with)? Could we provide a document from his new employer confirming that he and I will both have work permits? Would it help to include pay stubs from one of our current employers and/or a recommendation letter from our current landlord (in the US)? Finally, would the régie be concerned about my current lack of employment? Some of these questions may be obvious, but I'd be grateful for any advice.
Best,
Yvette
Yvette S, Jun 19, 2016 @ 00:47
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Jun 19, 2016 @ 15:42
It is not the régies but the property owners themselves who decide which applicant(s) to accept as new tenant(s) within their respective apartment buildings (or not, and as tcmb). The régies are hence and merely service providers, simply forwarding the applications deposisted with them to the respective property owner, who then choses one out of such (and unless such responsibility has also been relinquished to the régie by the propety owner. This is however rather unusual). Advantages are generally all of Yvette's above-stated as well as (sadly, but there you go and this is just the reality of things):
2 (fairly high) incomes
clean criminal records
employmment with a well established, known and highly regarded local company or bank
such well-established employer(s) providing a recommendation letter and/or providing the rental guarantee
local contacts
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It is not the régies but the property owners themselves who decide which applicant(s) to accept as new tenant(s) within their respective apartment buildings (or not, and as tcmb). The régies are hence and merely service providers, simply forwarding the applications deposisted with them to the respective property owner, who then choses one out of such (and unless such responsibility has also been relinquished to the régie by the propety owner. This is however rather unusual). Advantages are generally all of Yvette's above-stated as well as (sadly, but there you go and this is just the reality of things):
2 (fairly high) incomes
clean criminal records
employmment with a well established, known and highly regarded local company or bank
such well-established employer(s) providing a recommendation letter and/or providing the rental guarantee
local contacts
Eva D, Jun 19, 2016 @ 15:42
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Jun 19, 2016 @ 17:38
Thank you very much for posting this helpful information on how to prepare an application dossier for the régies. My husband (an EU national) and I (American) are moving to Geneva in September. For our application, we would already be able to provide his work contract, along with copies of our passports and residence permits; my own work permit won't be issued until several weeks after our arrival. Will our dossier be considered incomplete if we don't have my work permit yet (but have a reasonable-enough salary to apply with)? Could we provide a document from his new employer confirming that he and I will both have work permits? Would it help to include pay stubs from one of our current employers and/or a recommendation letter from our current landlord (in the US)? Finally, would the régie be concerned about my current lack of employment? Some of these questions may be obvious, but I'd be grateful for any advice.
Best,
Yvette
Jun 19, 16 00:47
This is quite an elderly thread but the situation hasn’t changed that much in the interim.
However, if your husband is going to work at CERN, I’m sure that the HR desk and also his colleagues will be able to help you find accommodation if you ask.
You can also check the glocals “Classifieds” button where you can place an ad. and also find private offers of accommodation.
You may also like to know that many CERN staffers opt to live in France so that provides a wider choice of offers and price-range.
Good luck!
R..
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This is quite an elderly thread but the situation hasn’t changed that much in the interim.
However, if your husband is going to work at CERN, I’m sure that the HR desk and also his colleagues will be able to help you find accommodation if you ask.
You can also check the glocals “Classifieds” button where you can place an ad. and also find private offers of accommodation.
You may also like to know that many CERN staffers opt to live in France so that provides a wider choice of offers and price-range.
Good luck!
R..
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Jun 19, 2016 @ 19:43
It is not the régies but the property owners themselves who decide which applicant(s) to accept as new tenant(s) within their respective apartment buildings (or not, and as tcmb). The régies are hence and merely service providers, simply forwarding the applications deposisted with them to the respective property owner, who then choses one out of such (and unless such responsibility has also been relinquished to the régie by the propety owner. This is however rather unusual). Advantages are generally all of Yvette's above-stated as well as (sadly, but there you go and this is just the reality of things):
2 (fairly high) incomes
clean criminal records
employmment with a well established, known and highly regarded local company or bank
such well-established employer(s) providing a recommendation letter and/or providing the rental guarantee
local contacts
Jun 19, 16 15:42
Thanks Eva, good post.
I heard the Regies have some influence over the decision tho. Although the Regie are not the decision makers, they can decide to block or to pass along some border-line applications, and to recommend to accept or reject specific candidates.
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Thanks Eva, good post.
I heard the Regies have some influence over the decision tho. Although the Regie are not the decision makers, they can decide to block or to pass along some border-line applications, and to recommend to accept or reject specific candidates.
Nir Ofek, Jun 19, 2016 @ 19:43
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Mar 2, 2017 @ 11:39
Hi. Quick question. I already live in a flat managed by Regie X. I've seen an interesting listing for a (cheaper) flat also managed by Regie X. Would I be disadvantaged in being chosen given that in getting the new flat I would be freeing up another one for them?
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Hi. Quick question. I already live in a flat managed by Regie X. I've seen an interesting listing for a (cheaper) flat also managed by Regie X. Would I be disadvantaged in being chosen given that in getting the new flat I would be freeing up another one for them?
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Hi. Quick question. I already live in a flat managed by Regie X. I've seen an interesting listing for a (cheaper) flat also managed by Regie X. Would I be disadvantaged in being chosen given that in getting the new flat I would be freeing up another one for them?
Mar 2, 17 11:39
Officially, no.
In reality, it depends on the person handling your file and on how many applications there are for the new place.
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Officially, no.
In reality, it depends on the person handling your file and on how many applications there are for the new place.
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Hi. Quick question. I already live in a flat managed by Regie X. I've seen an interesting listing for a (cheaper) flat also managed by Regie X. Would I be disadvantaged in being chosen given that in getting the new flat I would be freeing up another one for them?
Mar 2, 17 11:39
I was once told by a regie that it depends on the apartment you are leaving. If it is one that they know they will rent out easily they will gladly forward your dossier to the new owner and even vouch for you so that they can re rent the other one. If it is one that will take time to rent out (either over priced or a difficult landlord) they will be very reluctant to short list you. The risk here is you might end up paying 2 rents for a while. (3 month notice)
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I was once told by a regie that it depends on the apartment you are leaving. If it is one that they know they will rent out easily they will gladly forward your dossier to the new owner and even vouch for you so that they can re rent the other one. If it is one that will take time to rent out (either over priced or a difficult landlord) they will be very reluctant to short list you. The risk here is you might end up paying 2 rents for a while. (3 month notice)
Marcy S, Mar 2, 2017 @ 15:11
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