Every Indian is absolutely ashamed of what is happening. However, people like you should perhaps understand that this is not just the problem in India but everywhere against women. A person outside India like you is able to get information which, per se, indicates the significant attention that these incidents have been getting in media. 

I wonder if you have answers for the cases reported in the following links, whcih apprently was not investigated properly by the first world and didn't get enough coverage. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31691061

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/12/columbia-sexual-assault-investigation_n_6458872.html

I'm not trying to support India. It's absolutely inhumane I'm just against people showing their index finger at others when they are not aware of what is happening just next to them  

#endrape #endsexualabuse #savewomen #savechildren #spread the message of love not hate

Perhaps, you need a glimpse at this twitter fury against a german professor who refused an intership to a male student in Germany citing rape and also carefully read the reply from the German ambassador to India! 

Does anyone know the facts: is rape more common in India than in other countries?

If it really is, then it's fair to talk about the "rape problem in India" (which would not make the statement "there are billions of decent indians" false)

I fear that facts, in this case, are rather elusive.

An interesting perpective in the context of a recent BBC documentary on the subject:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/06/indias-daughter-delhi-rape 

You should perhaps see the facts in the following link, which clearly anwsers your question as NO. Does this mean that this thread will be taken out now ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

If not, then, why don't we discuss about the uninvestigated sexual abuse against 14000 children just in one city in the UK ? Why don't we discuss about South Africa, which has one of the highest reported rapes ? why don't discuss about Pakistan, which said DNA tests shouln't be done and only eye witness for the rape be considered ? why don't discuss about the severe sexual abuse committed by the elite arab countries against the migrant workers ?

Perhaps, I think this is the response you are giving me for the "Report to Admin" and Personally, this is absurd!

Oh this is isn't wrong at all...

Sheila, claiming a billion people have a shared trait is one thing.

Claiming something is happening in a country with a billion people, but being done by a subset is another.

Claiming that something is happening in a country with a billion, but being done by a subset, therefore not the majaority is another thing again.

What none of these do, is say that "this makes gang rape in any way right".

You can't seem to counter that, so you've come here to basically call all indian men potentially gang rapists.

http://www.englishforum.ch/international-affairs-politics/164922-indian-rape-case-6.html#post2353935

Farzam:

I don't see anywhere here that anyone claimed or even remotely implied that all Indian men are potential rapists. 

We need to be real and realise the world preceives rape as a bigger issue in India than other countries. Here's a TIME article acknowleding the perception and listing why the perception is wrong: http://world.time.com/2013/11/08/why-rape-seems-worse-in-india-than-everywhere-else-but-actually-isnt/

I think people from India who want to put an end to this wrong perception are better discussing the issue and explaining why the perception is wrong, rather than trying to remove posts about it. 

Nobody is saying discussing about the issue is wrong! But not in Glocals, which embraces the exapat community. 

Not even remotely implied ???  just with the title "Indian Rape" Ms. Sheila raped the dignity of all the indians!! there is a high chance that someone could perceive on the first look that there is some incident like that in Switzerland commited by an Indian (if not a high chance, there is still a possibility because of the fact that we often times discuss local issues in websites like Glocals). 

If you deny that, have fun discussing!  

1. I agree it was a poor choice of the post's title. Sheila: how about changing it to "Media discussion about rape in India"? If you agree, I can change it for you. 

2. glocals embraces the expat community, but that doesn't mean sensetive topics about expats aren't allowed on glocals. These topics just have to be dealt with in a sensetive and balanced way. 

Yes fine by me Nik - please go ahead.

However it should not be forgotten that Jyoti Singh was not only savagely gang raped, savagely beaten, but that she died of her injuiries.

Sheila: title  changed. 

To be honest, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this thread, especially after reading your last comment about the poor woman's fate. What's the discussion you're trying to create here?

Should Indian rape cases be highlighted in the media? - No.

Should rape cases be highlighted in the media? -Yes.

Should British paedophilia cases be highlighted in the media? - No.

Should paedophilia cases be highlighted in the media? - Yes.

Gentleman...Rape is the worst crime and even worst is the ignorance which actually promotes crime.

Know your facts/stats and then decide:

http://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

http://www.indiatribune.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=10195:rape-statistics-around-the-world-&Itemid=471

http://www.siotw.org/news_english.item.1228/which-country-has-the-highest-rape-rate-in-the-world.html

It is sad that media houses have become a Propoganda creating shops and misguiding people.

Even 1 rape in any country is a slap on mankind's face....India is just being targetted and is not also in the top 50 countries of number of rapes/million. 

Open your eyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUmDDMX9tU&sns=fb

These lists are of very limited value since the legal definition of what constitutes rape differs per country. Not to mention the fact that reporting and collecting stats will differ from country to country. 

By this logic anything can be debated my friend... :)

If we can't depend on reports then is it fair to depend on Media created hype? what's your thought on this?

Everything indeed can be debated. 

But some numbers are far more debatable than others. After reading a bit of the stats posted on this thread, I saw that nearly all stat experts mention that stats about rape are among the least dependable out there. Here's how Wikipedia begins its entry about "rape stats:

"Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading"

My objective here is NOT to claim that rape in any country is commited more than in other countries, but simply to say - contrary to my original thiniking - that the stats can't really drive this discussiom. 

Since the original poster is silent on clarifying where she intented to take this discussion, let me suggest a direction:

Why do you think the media chose to focus so much on rape in India, when there's no data to suggest that rape is more common in India than in other countries?

No need to focus on India for this topic...if anyone wants to discuss on India then first please specify your nationality and also the state of Rapes in your own country.

Let's be respectful and sensitive towards each other...I request all.

Sumit:

Wake up and look at reality. The global media is already focusing on rape in India. That's a fact whether we like it or not, whether we discuss it or not, and whether it's deserved or not.

You can try to shut down anyone asking why the media is focusing on this, which will not serve your interest. Or you can try to explian to people why the media might be focusing on this, so people understanding the media focus is driven by other things but NOT be the fact rape is more commion in India than in other places.

Nir, with great power comes great responsibility....please remember that.

You are running this awesome wesbite and with that you should be sensitive not to indulge in discussions which only will spread hatred and misconceptions in the society.

Media in today's world is just a Propoganda creating machine and is working for either business houses or some govt.s interests in the matter of International politics. I think any aware man will agree to this statement.

In case you still feel that dicussing on this is fair then also mention about the situation of Rapes in your own country first.

Yes, that's like a Man...wherever it is it is bad and needs to be stopped....and people/channels who are doing politics on this are even worst.

Sumit:

For the last time man, the point I'm bringing is not an attack on you, on Indian men, or on India. The point I'm bringing is that it's a fact the global media is focusing on rape in India, although there's no data showing rape in India is higher than in other places. Let's talk about why that media focus is there. 

I am not against you, I am not against India, I am honenstly just curious what makes the media pick 1 country and single it out in the press as rape heavy. 

The rape situation in my native country is, I assume, as bad as it is everywhere else. How is that relevant?

Nir,

I have already answered that Media is biased and Racist and that's why highlighting it. India is growing with a tremendous pace and that's by certain countries are not comfortable with that. this is a part of International politics to highlight the bad things of other countries. Yes some really bad cases happened in India, they were henious in nature but few channels like BBC try to show that it;s Indian mentality, which is not at all the case. Rape is a universal problem and we all need to come together, be one to fight it.

I asked your origin as I wanted you to feel how it feels when someone discuss with your name attached to it....see you where not even confortable to write the name of the country.

Please understnad the point, if we discuss an issue with pointing towards one community/country/person then biasedness, attachement and anger will come along....hope you agree... :)

Rape is a henious crime and we all should telll ourselves, our friends, our children and everyone around to be plesant and nice to all the men and women around us.

What shameless and disgraceful nonsense from Hriharan and Sumit. The media coverage has not been on rape in India generally, but on a horrific and particularly brutal case involving the rape and brutal killing of a 23 year old student aboard a bus in New Delhi in December 2012. Furthermore, after Leslee Udwin produced a documentary on the case, "India's daughter," for the BBC and India's NDTV, the Indian government banned  the country's media from broadcasting it or even showing clips from it and ordered YouTube to remove material from the film. After the BBC aired it on 8 March, India said it will take action against the BBC.

That is what the media coverage has been about. And yes, some media have highlighted the primitive comments from apologists and from those who have blamed the victim questioning why she was out at night and other incredibly offensive arguments. Not because they were made by Indians, but because they were heinous.

Now, you can have an opinion on the incident,  on the film or on the Indian government's actions, but coming with infantile arguments that you can not hold opinions on the case or that the media should not cover it, but instead focus on rape in other countries, or that you are only entitled to comment on incidents of rape in your country, and bringing up the race card are nothing but attempts at deflecting attention from the horrible incident and from the Indian government's shameful behavior. These are the actions of apologists for the rape and censorship, nothing else. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

The rethoric that "Rape is a universal problem and we all need to come together, be one to fight it" is empty and meaningless, if when confronted with one particular henious instance of it, you try to divert attention by condemning the bringing of attention to it as racism.

Great solution, "tell...everyone around to be pleasant and nice..."

And yes, of course there is both latent and overt racism, like that of German Professor Beck-Sickinger, who prejudicially rejected an Indian male applicant citing rape in India. But curiously, the "biased and racist media" gave wide coverage to her behavior and the rebuke by the German Ambassador in New Dehli. Not because the professor was German, nor does anyone imply that all Germans are racist, but because her personal behavior merited being exposed.

Now, do you want to start a discussion around statistics on racism in different countries? Should you not confine yourselves, by your own logic, to only criticize racism in India? Or are you going to tell us there isn't any discrimination in India?

And if you guys think rape in other countries does not get coverage, you need to start educating yourselves before you open  your mouths. Regardless of the comparative statistics, there has been quite a stir in the US about rape, in particular rape on campus, leading the Obama administration, and several state legislatures, not to ban media reports on it, but to take action to try to deal with the problem. Not enough coverage, not enough action, but not the silence you imply.

And why should anyone identify their country of origin? So that you can then unleash your prejudices against them? Shouldn't their opinions be based on their merit?

You do more to discredit  yourselves than anything anyone could say against you.

JR M: I feel sorry for you..really sorry...because you are highly illogical and a big idiot.

1. Being rude to you as you are one rude useless person, so you need to get what you give to the world.

2.  I have mentioned multiple times in my post that Rape is the most heniuos crime that I can think of. it is a crime against humanity. you should be assamed of yourself for what you wrote without reading my comments propoerly.

3. the only thing that I am againt is that we discuss this by focussing on one country where as this is a universal phenomenon. Also as a fact India is a country which has very less rape percentage. this no way is a justification for what happenend.....what happened was so bad that we can;t even describe.

4. if you don;t believe in coming together to fight the evil, then do one thing. first help your own home, your own nation, then try to talk about others. 

Now keep the emotion out and talk sense...also be respectful to people if you are expecting respect in return.

For the educated and logical ones:

http://www.niticentral.com/2015/03/11/indias-daughter-and-bbc-belgian-professor-speaks-out-306333.html

Great example of respect "you are highly illogical and a big idiot," "you are one rude useless person."

Didn't I just read somewhere we should tell "everyone around to be plesant [sic] and nice to all the men and women around us." Again, empty rethoric that does not match  your actions.

I made comments on your opinions, I did not make personal characterizations. Yes, you may make all the empty proclamations about rape you want, but if you then revert and try to deflect attention to a henious rape and murder by claiming exposing it is motivated by racism, you are nothing but an apologist for the crime when it is actually commited.

And please, stop this nonsense about statistics on rape. There are countries, and regions within countries, where it not only occurs at high levels, but where victims are too afraid or ashamed or discouraged to report, making the statistics look lower than they are.

Are you even aware that "In the three months after the Delhi gang rape, the number of rapes reported in the city more than doubled to 359, from the 143 reported in January-March of 2012. This doesn’t necessarily mean more rapes are happening now, just that [after the international media coverage] more women are emboldened to come out and report."

That is one reason to bring attention to it. That is one way to actually do something to fight it, not to accuse those who are exposing such cases as racist.

Guys - please keep it respectful and stay away from personal insults.

If you can't make your argument without insulting someone the please don't post anything.

Oded

yes, great, unbiased source "for the educated logical ones":

"Niti Central," a self-characterized right of center Indian website which openly states:

"We will be unapologetic in our advocacy of the Indian National Interest"

They are entitled to do that, but, what a source for "the educated ones." The article is full of quotes preceded by "the european press reports", "the journalist writes" without once, not once, stating what specific news outlet in what issue on what day and what specific journalist wrote or said what they quote.

Go to sleep "oh educated and logical one."

Again...my humble request....please don't politicize this topic..this is a crime againt humanity and this is a universal problem...it's equally bad if done in your or in my country...!!

this one on one fights won't help anyone so let's refrain from this.

My answer to your question is: I think that the media chose to focus on the case of the 23 year old student who was brutally gang raped and murdered in a public bus and died hours later because it was a particularly henious incident. The coverage was continued as it was fed by demonstrations and news conferences by Indian women and men who wanted to bring attention to the problem, by attrocious statements made by one of the men involved, by the production of a BBC/India's NDTV documentary and by the actions of the Indian govenment which banned the airing of the documentary. Now, no responsible journalist who thinks rape is a serious crime and that censorship is unacceptable, should be faulted for covering that.

There have been two minor side shows: prejudiced people have felt this confirms their existing views (either racist views or persecutionist views) and denialists have invented media conspiracy theories (if you think this is too strong, read the post in the link Sumit provided)

Anand please also enlighten on why the media is not highlighting the cases in other countries like UK, USA, France etc...any reasons for this??

And

What are you talking about?

Do Google searches for:

New York Times rape

Los Angeles Times rape

Washington Post rape

Rolling stone rape

any newspaper you know of, followed by "rape". In some cases, the first 2 or 3 results may be on the current controversy over the "India's daughter" controversy because it is current, but keep going on the list of results. That should put the argument that there is no coverage of cases in other countries except "the persecuted one" to rest.

First of all, this is simply not true. The Uk is plasted with coverage on ongoing investigations and inquiries into historical abuse allegations in institutions around the UK while in France mister Straus-Kahn is standing trial, and that is just this week. Free press is just that, but then it guarentees your voice as well. 

Secondly, this is a political discussion, for what some might find unethical or a heineaous crime, such is not always reflected in the law of the land. And an example for India, is rape within the marriage, which i've been informed today is currently not explictely illegal. And thus the focus of a CNN article:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/asia/marital-rape-india/

Luckely for you, if you find this morally objectionable, you can vote, write an op-ed in or to your representitive. 

Last but not least, being insulted or upset is an integral part of life in every open democratie. Technicalities aside, the limit is violence. 

There are many rape incidents in India that go unreported. Three years ago Tehelka did a sting operation on Delhi police:

http://www.tehelka.com/the-rapes-will-go-on/

This was a little over six months preceding the Nirbhaya case and a month after a rape case of a minor girl in a moving car. The sting operation demonstrates the lack of empathy, understanding and the ugly face of law enforcement in India upon which, my fellow countrymen are basing their statistics.

The reason this is back in the news is because of India's Daughter, a controversial documentary made by a British filmmaker, to which Indian authorities have taken offense to the extent of banning it. Formidable as they might be, their powers do not extend beyond the territory of India due to which, it was broadcasted in the UK & it is quite freely available on the internet and if the ban has done anything, it has only served as free publicity.

Below is an article on misogyny in India (which exists eveywhere else too, for those who might take further offense) that further explains my above statements.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/i-am-not-indias-daughter/387574/

Finally, my opinion:

If every Indian was ashamed of this incident, it is certainly not showing on this thread. I don't see by which means this thread is an attack on Indian men even if it were called Indian Rape.

One of the benefits of having death penalty legal in India is - people tend to collectively ask for it without remorse. From corrupt officials/politicians to rapists to terror suspects to human rights proponents that stand up for terror suspects to whomever else they find as the flavour of the season. This ends up in a long & drawn out judicial process and in the end, justice is either denied or archaic laws remain unchanged.

Of course, such rapes & violence hurt our brand, we Indians were always supposed to remain a peaceful & mostly vegetarian country in the eyes of everyone else.

Sweden has now surpassed South Africa in rape crimes!!

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape intesting article that I guess in Sweden would not be permitted to be written about... 

by Ingrid Carlqvist and Lars Hedegaard
February 14, 2015 at 5:00 am

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Translations of this item:

Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

Significantly, the report does not touch on the background of the rapists. One should, however, keep in mind that in statistics, second-generation immigrants are counted as Swedes.

In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men.

The internet radio station Granskning Sverige called the mainstream newspapers Aftonposten and Expressen to ask why they had described the perpetrators as "Swedish men" when they actually were Somalis without Swedish citizenship. They were hugely offended when asked if they felt any responsibility to warn Swedish women to stay away from certain men. One journalist asked why that should be their responsibility.

In 1975, the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the former homogeneous Sweden into a multicultural country. Forty years later the dramatic consequences of this experiment emerge: violent crime has increased by 300%.

If one looks at the number of rapes, however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the police; in 2014, it was 6,620. That is an increase of 1,472%.

Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.

Rape rate per 100,000 population, comparison by country (selected top and bottom countries), 2012 statistics taken from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. (Image source: Wikimedia Commons)

According to figures published by The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brottsförebyggande rådet; known as Brå) -- an agency under the Ministry of Justice -- 29,000 Swedish women, during 2011, reported that they had been raped (which seems to indicate that less than 25% of the rapes are reported to the police).

Rather than doing something about the problem of violence and rape, Swedish politicians, public authorities and media do their best to explain away the facts. Here are some of their explanations:

A long-held feminist myth is that the most dangerous place for a woman is her own home -- that most rapes are committed by someone she knows. This claim was refuted by Brå's report:

"In 58% of cases, the perpetrator was entirely unknown by the victim. In 29% of cases the perpetrator was an acquaintance, and in 13% of cases the perpetrator was a person close to the victim."

Brå reports that there are no major differences between women of Swedish and foreign background when it comes to the risk of being raped. Significantly, the report does not touch on the background of the rapists.

Back in 1975, the year when politicians decided that Sweden was to become multicultural, the Swedish population stood at 8,208,442. By 2014 it had grown to 9,743,087 -- an increase of 18.7%. This growth is entirely due to immigration, as Swedish women on average give birth to 1.92 children compared to the 2.24 average of immigrant women. One should, however, keep in mind that in the statistics, second-generation immigrants are counted as Swedes.

Sweden's recent population growth is without parallel. Never before in the country's history has the number of inhabitants increased so fast. Sweden is now the fastest growing country in Europe.

Over the past 10-15 years, immigrants have mainly come from Muslim countries such as Iraq, Syria and Somalia. Might this mass influx explain Sweden's rape explosion? It is difficult to give a precise answer, because Swedish law forbids registration based on people's ancestry or religion. One possible explanation is that, on average, people from the Middle East have a vastly different view of women and sex than Scandinavians have. And despite the attempts by the Swedish establishment to convince the population that everyone setting foot on Swedish soil becomes exactly like those who have lived here for dozens of generations, facts point in an altogether different direction.

The latest statistical survey of immigrant criminality compared to that of Swedes was done in 2005. The results are practically never mentioned. Not only that; anyone who dares refer to them, for example on social media, is viciously attacked.

Michael Hess, a local politician from Sweden Democrat Party, encouraged Swedish journalists to get acquainted with Islam's view of women, in connection with the many rapes that took place in Cairo's Tahrir Square during the "Arab Spring". Hess wrote, "When will you journalists realize that it is deeply rooted in Islam's culture to rape and brutalize women who refuse to comply with Islamic teachings. There is a strong connection between rapes in Sweden and the number of immigrants from MENA-countries [Middle East and North Africa]."

This remark led to Michael Hess being charged with "denigration of ethnic groups" [hets mot folkgrupp], a crime in Sweden. In May last year, he was handed a suspended jail sentence and a fine -- the suspension was due to the fact that he had no prior convictions. The verdict has been appealed to a higher court.

For many years, Michael Hess lived in Muslim countries, and he is well acquainted with Islam and its view of women. During his trial, he provided evidence of how sharia law deals with rape, and statistics to indicate that Muslims are vastly overrepresented among perpetrators of rape in Sweden. However, the court decided that facts were irrelevant:

"The Court [Tingsrätten] notes that the question of whether or not Michael Hess's pronouncement is true, or appeared to be true to Michael Hess, has no bearing on the case. Michael Hess's statement must be judged based on its timing and context. ... At the time of the offense, Michael Hess referred neither to established research nor to Islamic sources. It was only in connection with his indictment that Michael Hess tried to find support in research and religious writings. The Court therefore notes that Michael Hess's pronouncement was obviously not a part of any reasoned [saklig] or trustworthy [vederhäftig] discussion. Michael Hess's pronouncement must therefore be viewed as an expression of disdain for immigrants with an Islamic faith."

What may one conclude from the available statistics?

As part of the evidence Michael Hess presented in court, he made use of whatever statistics existed on immigrant criminality in Sweden before the statistical authorities stopped measuring. Michael Hess tried to find answers to two questions:

The answer to both questions was an unequivocal Yes. Twenty-one research reports from the 1960s until today are unanimous in their conclusions: Whether or not they measured by the number of convicted rapists or men suspected of rape, men of foreign extraction were represented far more than Swedes. And this greater representation of persons with a foreign background keeps increasing:

Even when adjusted for variables such as age, sex, class and place of residence, the huge discrepancy between immigrants and Swedes remains.

Research reports on crime in Sweden have become a rarity, but among the eighteen that were done during the 1990s and the 2000s, eleven dealt with rape. Two of these reports dealt with the connection between rape and immigration, and they both confirmed that there is a link.

These figures are available to the authorities, the politicians and the press, yet they insist that these numbers do not mirror reality.

How is it, then, that in 2008, Sweden's neighbor Denmark only had 7.3 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 53.2 in Sweden?

Danish legislation is not very different from Sweden's, and there is no obvious reason why Danish women should be less inclined to report rape than their Swedish counterparts.

In 2011, 6,509 rapes were reported to the Swedish police -- but only 392 in Denmark. The population of Denmark is about half the size of Sweden's, so even adjusted for size, the discrepancy is significant.

In Sweden, the authorities do what they can to conceal the origin of the rapists. In Denmark, the state's official statistical office, Statistics Denmark, revealed that in 2010 more than half of convicted rapists had an immigrant background.

Since 2000, there has only been one research report on immigrant crime. It was done in 2006 by Ann-Christine Hjelm from Karlstads University.

It emerged that in 2002, 85% of those sentenced to at least two years in prison for rape in Svea Hovrätt, a court of appeals, were foreign born or second-generation immigrants.

A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men. The figures for men from Iraq, Bulgaria and Romania were, respectively, 20, 18 and 18. Men from the rest of Africa were 16 times more prone to commit rape; and men from Iran, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, 10 times as prone as Swedish men.

A new trend reached Sweden with full force over the past few decades: gang rape -- virtually unknown before in Swedish criminal history. The number of gang rapes increased spectacularly between 1995 and 2006. Since then no studies of them have been undertaken.

One of the worst cases occurred in 2012, when a 30-year old woman was raped by eight men in a housing project for asylum seekers, in the small town of Mariannelund. The woman was an acquaintance of a man from Afghanistan who had lived in Sweden for a number of years. He invited her to go out with him. She obliged. The Afghan man took her to a refugee housing project and left her defenseless. During the night, she was raped repeatedly by the asylum seekers and when her "friend" returned, he raped her too. The following morning she managed to call the police. Sweden's public prosecutor has called the incident "the worst crime of rape in Swedish criminal history."

Seven of the men were sentenced to between 4.5 and 6.5 years in prison. Prison time is usually reduced by a third, so it won't be long before the men will be ready for new assaults -- presumably on infidel women.

In cases of gang rape, culprits and victims are most often young and in almost every case, the perpetrators are of immigrant background, mostly from Muslim countries. In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists. Several times the courts have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted sex with six, seven or eight men.

One striking incident occurred in 2013, in the Stockholm suburb of Tensta. A 15-year-old girl was locked up while six men of foreign extraction had sex with her. The lower court convicted the six men but the court of appeals acquitted them because no violence had occurred, and because the court determined that the girl "had not been in a defenseless position."

This month, all major Swedish media reported on a brutal gang rape on board the Finnish Ferry Amorella, running between Stockholm and Åbo in Finland. Big headlines told the readers that the perpetrators were Swedish:

On closer inspection, it turned out that seven of the eight suspects were Somalis and one was Iraqi. None of them had Swedish citizenship, so they were not even Swedish in that sense. According to witnesses, the group of men had been scouring the ferry looking for sex. The police released four of them (but they are still suspects) whereas four (all Somalis) remain in custody.

The internet radio station Granskning Sverige called the mainstream newspapers Aftonpostenand Expressen to ask why they had described the perpetrators as "Swedish men" when they were actually Somalis. That is irrelevant, said the journalists. They were hugely offended when asked if they felt any responsibility to warn Swedish women to stay away from certain men. One journalist asked why that should be their responsibility.

"If the women knew, then perhaps they would have stayed away from these men and avoided being raped," said the reporter from Granskning Sverige. Whereupon the journalist slammed down the phone.

Ingrid Carlqvist and Lars Hedegaard are editors-in-chief of Dispatch International.

Sweden has imported huge numbers of Muslim immigrants with catastrophic effect.

Sweden’s population grew from 9 million to 9.5 million in the years 2004-2012, mainly due to immigration from “countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia”. 16 percent of all newborns have mothers born in non-Western countries. Employment rate among immigrants: 54 percent.

Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.

In 2003, Sweden’s rape statistics were higher than average at 9.24, but in 2005 they shot up to 36.8 and by 2008 were up to 53.2. Now they are almost certainly even higher as Muslim immigrants continue forming a larger percentage of the population.

With Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases and a major increase in rape cases paralleling a major increase in Muslim immigration, the wages of Muslim immigration are proving to be a sexual assault epidemic by a misogynistic ideology.

The statistics are skewed by urban centers where the Islamic colonists cluster. In Stockholm this summer there  was an average of 5 rapes a day. Stockholm has gone from a Swedish city to a city that is one-third immigrant and is between a fifth and a quarter Muslim.

Sweden, like the rest of the West, will have to come to terms with the fact that it can either have female equality or Muslim immigration. It cannot have both.

smile2Sandro, thanks for sharing your thoughts. The statistics you provided about rape in Sweden and Denmark are interesting and very disturbing. But as I read on, I found the subsequent points the quoted material seems to want to make even more disturbing. Both because, if you are trying to explain rape as related to immigration and, especifically, immigration from specific populations, it is not only not useful in addressing and preventing rape, but it unjustifiably fuels prejudices against whole segments of the population. 

Any incident or incidents of rape should be exposed, especially when it helps bring attention to the issue and mobilize people to respond in ways that help rape victims and prevent rape; when it leads to institutional responses, behavioral changes, and cultural reassessment, regardless of who is the perpetrator and his characteristics. That is what we were discussing in regards to coverage of the case in India. It was not a statement about India or Indians in general. We all agreed, I thought, that racist responses like that of professor Beck Sickinger were not helpful and should be exposed and rejected. But that the horrid incident and the Indian govenment's handling were fair subjects to be covered by the international media. By the way, I am confident that the views posted by Arun more faithfully represent the serious and responsible view of most Indians on the case. All of us, everywhere, are trying to move our species forward while facing behaviors and perspectives that are unfit and harmful. Human evolution has never followed a straight line and it has unfortunatelly been ridden with conflict.

Then come your posts. Here is what concerns me:

The source you provided for Denmark was "Jihad Watch.com" (hmmm....) which stated:

"In the last seven years, more than one out of three convicted of rape was either an immigrant or a descendant of immigrants: 156 of the 450 convicted rapists since 2004 has an immigrant background."

The most recent figures from the Danish government put the number of immigrants in Denmark at 657,471  and those of non-western origin at 424,558.

That means that proportionally more of the 450 men who committed rapes in seven years were immigrants, but given that they are 0.02 percent (or two hundreths of a percent) of the immigrant population, I think we may do better in finding ways to understand and prevent such instances of  abhorrent, criminal behavior such as rape, than to tarr a whole population that way.

One source you offered for Sweden is "the Muslim Watch". Hmmm is there a theme emerging here? Again, according to the statistics, there seemed to be a overrepresentation of muslims and immigrants amongst reported, captured and convicted rapists. Every single one of them represents a woman whose life was shattered and will have to forever live with the consequences. That should never be lost from sight. But to attempt to draw conclusions about immigrants and muslims, from a number of rapists who represent, as in Denmark, less than one hundredth of one percent of those populations, seems to reveal another agenda.

Frankly, just the same, I see a value in all these opinions being expressed in a public forum.

It is best to be aware that these perspectives exist.

So, I don't know what your personal views are, smile2sandro, and will not make any assumptions. But I am glad you have put them on the table.

The first step in solving any of these problems is to understand them and take effective steps to address them.

Hi there JR M,

The articles I posted I found interesting because yes there is a lot of focus on the rapes in India which are of course gruesome. But closer to home .. Sweden it seems to be even worse.

It has nothing to do with personal views just with statistics, rape is extremely bad no matter who commits them. 

So if you say the first step is to understand these problems and take effective steps to address them, why do you wave away statistics and throw the prejudic card? That is just illogical.

The sources of the articles I posted are; 

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/

and,

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

I really don't see where you got the links you put in your answers? I just googled rape and got the statistics you can do the same. So I was pointing out, yes it is an incredible crime and it must be dealt with appropriately but then you have to understans WHO is doing this, WHY there is such a spiked increase and who are the guilty parties! 

So if you say you want to understand why then you should live up to that and don't put your head in the sand in fear of looking at a specific direction.

You ask me about my personal views, I have had the unfortunate experience of having a rape case in my family and my view is to let the law punish them inmensely. Its cruel and it destroys lives.

Any more questions just pm me.

Cheers,

S

Police in eastern India are searching for a group of six men who gang-raped an elderly nun in West Bengal.

The men ransacked the convent school in Ranaghat early on Saturday morning and stole money before entering the convent itself.

The 74-year-old nun is now recovering in hospital.

Christian groups have recently held protests in the Indian capital, Delhi, saying they are being targeted and demanding better protection.

The Archbishop of Calcutta, Thomas d'Souza, told the BBC that security cameras inside the Convent of Jesus and Mary School show the faces of the six men who carried out the assault.

They first ransacked the school principal's office and classrooms before entering the convent itself.

"There are only three Sisters in the community," he said.

"One sister was molested badly. The other two, and a guard, were tied to chairs."

The men also stole money from the school, he said, vandalised the chapel, broke open the tabernacle and took away the ciborium, the sacred vessel used during Mass.

The school is well-known and has been open for 19 years, he added.

The Chief Minister of West Bengal, Mamata Banerjee, has condemned the incident.

The attack comes at a time of growing concern about sexual violence against women and there has been increased media reporting of rapes and assaults.

The background to this attack is not yet clear. But Christian groups elsewhere in India have expressed concern that they are increasingly being targeted.

Some highlight a series of recent attacks by vandals on churches in Delhi and call on the authorities to do more to protect them.

smile2sandro, you do indeed provide two links for sources which, by the way, have no credibility with anyone familiar with them:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/

and, http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

But, first, to answer  your question, the text you pasted in your posts has embeded in the sources of the statistics cited, which include "Muslim Watch" and "Jihadist Watch". Are you really pasting material blindly, without full awareness? You didn't bother to click on the embedded links for the sources?

Second, do you have any  idea what the gatesoneinstitute is? Do you have any idea who their chairman John Bolton is, what kind of retrograd politican he is? He could not get US Senate confirmation as US Ambassador to the UN after George Bush appointed him, for his dishonesty, abrassiveness and controversial support for an Iranian terrorist organization amongst other reasons. He was and is an embarrassment to the US.

As for Frontpage mag, it is nothing but David Horowitz website. Do you know David? I do. Another well known rabid ultra-conservative known for such brilliant ideas as blaming slavery on black africans and dark-skinned arabs.

You need to check your sources and their credibility before you embrace their numbers.

There are statistics and there are statistics. As a scientist I find it easy to tell when someone does not understand them. It is one thing to note that 156 of the 450 convicted rapists in Denmark since 2004 had an immigrant background, and quite another to conclude that those 156 men are in any way representative of 657,471 immigrants in Denmark.

If it is indeed the case that one out of three rapists in Denmark in a particular period were immigrants, it does not follow that one out of three immigrant is a rapist. What the statistics show is that two hundredths of one percent of immigrants committed rape, hardly a reason to expect immigrants in general to commit that crime or to make any decisions about immigration into Denmark on that basis.

To call that waving statistics away is only a poor reflection on someone's understanding of statistics and logic.

As for my reference to prejudice...do you have any understanding of the meaning of the word prejudice? It means to pre-judge individuals by their membership of any particular group based on preconceptions about the group as a whole. That is what the german professor Beck-Sickinger did.  Its worst manifestation is when the preconceptions about a group are based on such shallow assumptions like the ones you make about immigrants in Denmark.

But that is what I get for trying to have a reasonable amicable exchange in a forum like this, an error I shall stop making.

this thread has been strange from the start:

shiela began it with no idea what she really wants to ask (and she still doesn't know)

hariharan is sure there's no problem at all in india and it's bad form to even talk about it.

others keep posting stats about rape and bulding theories based on that, while every respected stats site has a big warning saying rape stats are highly skewed by cultural and legal factors and can't be compared. 

if anything, i think this is a good example of what happens when such a sensetive topic is discussed online, especially when the thrust of the discussion is never really clarified by the original poster. online discussions are great for simple things, like where to find a good hair dresser. online discussions suck for very sensetive topics. 

Mark, answering your post I think I found the connection between posts.

"Islam is the second-largest religion in India, making up 14.88% of the country's population with about 180 million adherents (2011 census)." (Wikipedia)

As I understood (if I understood it wrongly, then I am apologizing) some members of this tread try to say that this religion may provoke men who have already tendency to violence against women to sexual abuse.

As myself I refrain from expressing my opinion.

Come on Liubov, don't be one of those people who just criticize others, but are not willing to express their own view...

Nir, did I criticized somebody? I would never do such thing since I don't think that my opinion can be important for somebody besides my friends and relatives. This is also a reason why I try avoid expressing my opiion.

I posted it because I always feels uncomfortable seeing how people try to explain thing to each other and how it doesn't work. I have impression that sometimes I can be pretty good in summarizing ideas that's why I decided to post it here.

By the way - maybe you can help me answering my post about what to see near Rolle?

Thanks, got it. 

Good luck trying to summarize this thread...(-;

I personally don't think the main point that most people discussed here is about Islam, although maybe someone brought it up.  

I think the main point in this thread is that there's major media focus on rapes in India, and we're trying to understand why that is:

- some said it's really cos there's more rapes in India then in other places. Maybe, but clear data is impossible to get. 

- some said it's cos there's racism against India. Again, might be, but my personal view is that it's un-likely the entire global media is biased against India. 

- some said it's cos the details of some of the rapes happening in India are more extreme than other rape cases (take the latest nun rape case, as an example). Who knows.

- some said it's cos when the 1st high-profile rape case happened (of the girl in the bus), there were mass local demonstrations in India, which put the topic "on the map". Aided by the "Daughter of India" story, this got the media going. Who knows.

In short, a complex matter... 

Also it does not help if you have fools for politicians, have a look at this article;

http://www.firstpost.com/india/short-skirts-chowmein-phones-tmc-mla-adds-to-list-of-bizarre-comments-on-rape-724827.html

fools

@mark spencer : firstly, it's Sheila, not Shiela

and it is not up to you to decide whether I know or do not know. Of course I know! Please do not be quite so decisive.

It is not a question of "wants to ask" but of asking Glocals contributors to think about the unspeakable, incomprehsible anguish this poor girl's parents, siblings, and family must be suffering when they envisage what happened to her, and the outcome that they have to come to terms with her horrific death. As a parent myself, I can well imagine that one could never cope with the intense feelings that this unspeakable act has provoked.

May Jyoti Singh rest in peace

so you posted this in order to make people think of Jyoti's suffering? if that's so, you were WAY off the mark in the way you worded your original post, which didn't mention Jyoti even once, but instead focused on billions on indians. and the provcative topic you gave your post was "india rape", again not making any reference to jyoti. that's just bad writing