I'd like to share with you my concerns, about the circulation of personal information on the internet and why internet surfers should consider reading the terms of agreement before using an internet employment service even in Switzerland ( This is where Jobup.ch raised my concerns ) !
The Jobup.ch issue :
Initially before I say anything I'd like to tell you why I gave Jobup.ch my trust and used it for looking for employment. It is one of the only websites in Swiss romande to offer reasonable student Jobs. Thanks to their website I managed to obtain an interview with a large multinational in the canton of Vaud. A undated problem for university students is the lack of student job in this area compared to the Swiss German parts,who seem to be more concerned about their younger generation. I have seen many more more student job offers in Zurich. I'm asking myself how I'm going to afford my next university course fees.
Two days ago, I applied for a Job “mystery shopper” in the student offers.
The job offer consisted on making a secret evaluation and commenting about costumer experience after doing some shopping or going to a restaurant in the Vaud region. In other words the employer would pay the shopping or restaurant experience in exchange of feedback. On the job offer I noticed the employer was located in London which I found to be unusual, seeing an employer located outside of Switzerland on jobup, but at the time I believed the offer was genuine because I trusted Jobup. Since I speak English and the local language this job sounded reasonable. I sent my CV along with a motivational letter.
Later on I went back on to the jobup website, to find two other job offers with the same content but one of them had a different address and company name. I looked up the given address's and then realized that I was the victim of a scam, both were residential address's, I had realized this after viewing street view pictures with google maps. Because I was blinded by the trust I gave Jobup and my desire to find a interesting part time job, I didn't use my full prof logical thinking and now some vital information concerning myself has been given away to strangers with unknown intent. This something I would never do, I don't have a Facebook account with my full name or any entry's on google.
Yesterday I noticed the job offers had been taken down, so I decided to give Jobup a phone call. They informed that other students were also concerned the offer was a scam. That job offer was posted on the website for more than 24 hours before it was taken down. Which probably gave time to lot of other students to fall victim and get their personal data stolen.
Jobup was very unhelpful on the phone mentioning simply that they are not going to take any criminal proceedings against them or even find out who they are. They simply would somehow stopped them from coming back. They told me “we hope nothing bad will come out from the lose of your information”, they took my name and phone number they have yet to called me back. What they should have done, is tell me if these scammers could do anything with my information and reassure me !!!!??? I did not have the impression that they had any idea of what is identity theft is in the UK and could not care less about the loss of my personal information to exterior sources.
According to : http://www.iprofile.org/Career-Advice/Secure-Your-CV/
“Our personal CV is arguably one of the most important documents we own. It is our own personal shop window to the world of work, a place where we can promote our expertise and achievements to secure our dream jobs, pursue our desired careers and demand the kind of salaries we feel we deserve. “
“ID fraud is one of the most serious issues facing people today. 100,000 people in the UK are victims of ID theft each year and one of the ways criminals can acquire people's personal details is by stealing information held on their CV.”
Why didn't they check out this Fictional employer, especially when they are located abroad ? I could now come to the conclusion that jobup has a poor infrastructure ( no identity check of an unknown employer ! ) or they simply don't wont to get extra employees to do the checks simply for financial reasons. I wonder what kind of information the scammers obtained will being inscribed as employer on the website. Jobup.ch's comment
“we hope nothing bad will come out from the lose of your information” is probably the most unprofessional thing I have ever heard. I can't believe they claim to be number one.
My CV had my full name, my address , my phone number and a picture, my date of birth, My nationality. Are they're really any risks ? I'm I over reacting ? Anyone I should contact ?
I'd like to share with you my concerns, about the circulation of personal information on the internet and why internet surfers should consider reading the terms of agreement before using an internet employment service even in Switzerland ( This is where Jobup.ch raised my concerns ) !
The Jobup.ch issue :
Initially before I say anything I'd like to tell you why I gave Jobup.ch my trust and used it for looking for employment. It is one of the only websites in Swiss romande to offer reasonable student Jobs. Thanks to their website I managed to obtain an interview with a large multinational in the canton of Vaud. A undated problem for university students is the lack of student job in this area compared to the Swiss German parts,who seem to be more concerned about their younger generation. I have seen many more more student job offers in Zurich. I'm asking myself how I'm going to afford my next university course fees.
Two days ago, I applied for a Job “mystery shopper” in the student offers.
The job offer consisted on making a secret evaluation and commenting about costumer experience after doing some shopping or going to a restaurant in the Vaud region. In other words the employer would pay the shopping or restaurant experience in exchange of feedback. On the job offer I noticed the employer was located in London which I found to be unusual, seeing an employer located outside of Switzerland on jobup, but at the time I believed the offer was genuine because I trusted Jobup. Since I speak English and the local language this job sounded reasonable. I sent my CV along with a motivational letter.
Later on I went back on to the jobup website, to find two other job offers with the same content but one of them had a different address and company name. I looked up the given address's and then realized that I was the victim of a scam, both were residential address's, I had realized this after viewing street view pictures with google maps. Because I was blinded by the trust I gave Jobup and my desire to find a interesting part time job, I didn't use my full prof logical thinking and now some vital information concerning myself has been given away to strangers with unknown intent. This something I would never do, I don't have a Facebook account with my full name or any entry's on google.
Yesterday I noticed the job offers had been taken down, so I decided to give Jobup a phone call. They informed that other students were also concerned the offer was a scam. That job offer was posted on the website for more than 24 hours before it was taken down. Which probably gave time to lot of other students to fall victim and get their personal data stolen.
Jobup was very unhelpful on the phone mentioning simply that they are not going to take any criminal proceedings against them or even find out who they are. They simply would somehow stopped them from coming back. They told me “we hope nothing bad will come out from the lose of your information”, they took my name and phone number they have yet to called me back. What they should have done, is tell me if these scammers could do anything with my information and reassure me !!!!??? I did not have the impression that they had any idea of what is identity theft is in the UK and could not care less about the loss of my personal information to exterior sources.
According to : http://www.iprofile.org/Career-Advice/Secure-Your-CV/
“Our personal CV is arguably one of the most important documents we own. It is our own personal shop window to the world of work, a place where we can promote our expertise and achievements to secure our dream jobs, pursue our desired careers and demand the kind of salaries we feel we deserve. “
“ID fraud is one of the most serious issues facing people today. 100,000 people in the UK are victims of ID theft each year and one of the ways criminals can acquire people's personal details is by stealing information held on their CV.”
Why didn't they check out this Fictional employer, especially when they are located abroad ? I could now come to the conclusion that jobup has a poor infrastructure ( no identity check of an unknown employer ! ) or they simply don't wont to get extra employees to do the checks simply for financial reasons. I wonder what kind of information the scammers obtained will being inscribed as employer on the website. Jobup.ch's comment
“we hope nothing bad will come out from the lose of your information” is probably the most unprofessional thing I have ever heard. I can't believe they claim to be number one.
My CV had my full name, my address , my phone number and a picture, my date of birth, My nationality. Are they're really any risks ? I'm I over reacting ? Anyone I should contact ?
John GNov 6, 2010 @ 12:02
No, it *is* a risk. How great.. depends on who has your information and how well they are able to look after it.
This is also why I am horrified each time I'm asked for a copy of my passport. I simply can't see any legitimate reason for this. It's fine to look at the original and confirm my identity, but absolutely not to note the passport number or taking a photocopy/picture of it. Happens even for simple things like hiring a moving company and renting a flat.
No, it *is* a risk. How great.. depends on who has your information and how well they are able to look after it.
This is also why I am horrified each time I'm asked for a copy of my passport. I simply can't see any legitimate reason for this. It's fine to look at the original and confirm my identity, but absolutely not to note the passport number or taking a photocopy/picture of it. Happens even for simple things like hiring a moving company and renting a flat.
FerneyL, Nov 6, 2010 @ 13:49
I sent my CV as well.... really worried now..
Hey Guys,
I am usually not a person who easily worries;but since I read a lot -and am concerned to a fair amount- with data security in the Internet (Google, Facebook, and any form of data mining for that matter; if anybody is interested, contact me, I can send you links to pretty scary articles on NYTimes and so on...), I think you should not underestimate the risk in this.
People who steal data and use them illegally for profit have WAY more imagination as people who don't think a lot about this issue; so, your data might end up where you never would expect it, in ways that you can't imagine.
Really, I don't wanna scare you guys, but I would definitely report this to the Police. I would try to find the right person (VERY important) at Police headquarters. They have units who specialize in Internet fraud. DO NOT talk to a police officer in your local station, who usually gives parking tickets and has problems changing the batteries in his machine printing the tickets for this being a to technical issue.
Find a person who knows what Facebook is, what a IP-adress is, what data-mining is, and who can distinguish a USB cable from a HDMI cable. And there you should report it, and get a case number or any written statement from the Police, confirming that you reported a suspected identity theft.
With that, you are at least somewhat protected from any problems that might arise from this.
Best solution, if you have legal insurance, go see a lawyer and get some advice on how to proceed, best prior to going to the Police.
Seriously, don't panik - but son't be naive either !
Good luck all !
Hey Guys,
I am usually not a person who easily worries;but since I read a lot -and am concerned to a fair amount- with data security in the Internet (Google, Facebook, and any form of data mining for that matter; if anybody is interested, contact me, I can send you links to pretty scary articles on NYTimes and so on...), I think you should not underestimate the risk in this.
People who steal data and use them illegally for profit have WAY more imagination as people who don't think a lot about this issue; so, your data might end up where you never would expect it, in ways that you can't imagine.
Really, I don't wanna scare you guys, but I would definitely report this to the Police. I would try to find the right person (VERY important) at Police headquarters. They have units who specialize in Internet fraud. DO NOT talk to a police officer in your local station, who usually gives parking tickets and has problems changing the batteries in his machine printing the tickets for this being a to technical issue.
Find a person who knows what Facebook is, what a IP-adress is, what data-mining is, and who can distinguish a USB cable from a HDMI cable. And there you should report it, and get a case number or any written statement from the Police, confirming that you reported a suspected identity theft.
With that, you are at least somewhat protected from any problems that might arise from this.
Best solution, if you have legal insurance, go see a lawyer and get some advice on how to proceed, best prior to going to the Police.
Seriously, don't panik - but son't be naive either !
Good luck all !
Dominik M, Nov 19, 2010 @ 08:48
Oh, and one mor thing:
if two, three, four people report this to the Police, and Police starts investigating Jobup.ch - the people from that website will very, very fast start taking the security on their site more serious ;-)
Oh, and one mor thing:
if two, three, four people report this to the Police, and Police starts investigating Jobup.ch - the people from that website will very, very fast start taking the security on their site more serious ;-)
Dominik M, Nov 19, 2010 @ 09:20
i think you can probably expect a bit of spam emails from now on...
Detail like that (from Cv's) is used on lists to email spam or telphone cold call etc... people sell detailed lists with 100'000's of names on them for quite a bit of cash.
Worst case scenario they use it to hack your computer, using personal data to obtain passwords etc, and then go for the bank or CC data stored on it.
Also any online purchase data you have stored... either get rid of it, or change the passwords.
So if you have any passwords that are linked to your CV...(ie date of birth numbers, etc etc) then change the passwords, also change the security question answers with your CC companies...say youve been data hacked, and want to change the security questions...they'll understand
Job hunting is stressfull enough without having to worry about being data robbed... but take better care in future.
good luck.
i think you can probably expect a bit of spam emails from now on...
Detail like that (from Cv's) is used on lists to email spam or telphone cold call etc... people sell detailed lists with 100'000's of names on them for quite a bit of cash.
Worst case scenario they use it to hack your computer, using personal data to obtain passwords etc, and then go for the bank or CC data stored on it.
Also any online purchase data you have stored... either get rid of it, or change the passwords.
So if you have any passwords that are linked to your CV...(ie date of birth numbers, etc etc) then change the passwords, also change the security question answers with your CC companies...say youve been data hacked, and want to change the security questions...they'll understand
Job hunting is stressfull enough without having to worry about being data robbed... but take better care in future.
good luck.
Charlie, Nov 19, 2010 @ 09:28
John:
Wow, not a nice story. I'd follow Charlie's advice to try to minimise the damage.
About JobUp: I am not linked with them in any way, and it's not my intention to defend them. But here's what I think.
1. None of the big job-offer portals can fully prevent such scam offers from being posted on their site. It's not just a question of the huge volume of posts these sites get, but also a question of how to know what is scam and what isn't. Not every job offer that comes from abroad is scam.
2. What the big job-sites focus on is trying to remove these posts as soon as they're posted. Many times, the sites hear of the scams only after users complain.
Hope you won't face too much crap from these guys who scammed you. And next time I know you'll check well before you send any CV to anyone...(-:
Nir
John:
Wow, not a nice story. I'd follow Charlie's advice to try to minimise the damage.
About JobUp: I am not linked with them in any way, and it's not my intention to defend them. But here's what I think.
1. None of the big job-offer portals can fully prevent such scam offers from being posted on their site. It's not just a question of the huge volume of posts these sites get, but also a question of how to know what is scam and what isn't. Not every job offer that comes from abroad is scam.
2. What the big job-sites focus on is trying to remove these posts as soon as they're posted. Many times, the sites hear of the scams only after users complain.
Hope you won't face too much crap from these guys who scammed you. And next time I know you'll check well before you send any CV to anyone...(-:
Nir
Nir Ofek, Nov 19, 2010 @ 15:45
The European Union Customs union http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm
As a global database to check VAT numbers or corperate ID numbers, I am not sure this includes Swiss companies as there are some agreements between Swiss and EU.
So it is easly checked if a company has a vat, the EU site is not a directory so you cannot do a wildcard search 'All the companies in London', one must state exact address and name of company to get an info listing.
The European Union Customs union http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm
As a global database to check VAT numbers or corperate ID numbers, I am not sure this includes Swiss companies as there are some agreements between Swiss and EU.
So it is easly checked if a company has a vat, the EU site is not a directory so you cannot do a wildcard search 'All the companies in London', one must state exact address and name of company to get an info listing.
Jacob B, Nov 19, 2010 @ 23:50
Sorry, the word "global" should be interpreted as "EU wide"



