ideal girlfriend ?  I don't think she exists......

I like them Nice with a hidden Naughty ;-) I think its true, that a lot of women like the Bad guys., maybe they are scared of the nice guys ? Or maybe they think they can change them to nice guys... Ive met a few women who appear to be nice , but are naughty , and a few naughty ones who are Naughty but very nice.

It takes all sorts to make a relationship work, and everyone is different, thats whats makes it fun and exciting.

Girls want a guy who's bad, but who is a nice guy just for them.

Guys want a girl who is nice, but who is a bad girl just for them.

Me?  I'm not fussy

Andy , yeah this seems the general preconception... but I've never "heard" a girl admit to wanting a guy who's bad.

come on charlie, when have you ever met a girl who EVER admits really what she wants ;-)

I know at least a couple who readily admit it (You know who you are!) but most are in denial.

I read some academic research that linked it to monthly cycles, but it's probably affected by other forms of transport as well.

For the visually challeneged here the pic says ;

"Scientists have discovered what women want , but she immediately changed her mind"

Great topic, Charlie! Ready for the weekend? 

Great topic, for me the ideal gf would be nice at heart, but naughty in bed ;-)

... ever heard of a Lady that really wanted a gentleman in bed?...

I'm as dumbfounded as you on this one. When I was a young fool I used to prefer intelligence over appearance and missed lots of opportunities but now I'm totally partial to naughtiness packaged in angel-like appearance  :)))) 

Whaaat? 

+1 on that statement lol     ....supposing she knows what she wants...

Interesting:

the guy is "bad"

the woman is "naughty"

Think about it -that choice of words says a lot about attitudes expressed here.And so what does "naughty" mean to you,exactly? It's a word we normally apply to children,isn't it???

trust a woman to go and get all intellectual on us :-P and here we were just having a man chat :) nice and simple...

Maybe the "us" women is a bit of a sweeping statement.And,sorry Karl to get all intellectual(I am getting help) but sometimes....it's just stronger than me.....to express a thought out opinion.....

The situation Molly describes has a well-studied psychology behind it......and not all women fit into this .The "US" is therefore misused here.

Please count me out,at least

count me out too! :)

At least we're getting back to a decent discussion here - and away from all that stupid,intelligent stuffWhew what a relief

i love intellectual women .. express your opinion all you like :) as long as you have a well thought out intelligent response , contributing to a dialogue Im all for it :)  The US remark in this context is always a sweeping statement refering to both men and women. I am who I am .. and dont fit into any boxes im happy to say... and everyone has a valid opinion, even if its just to themselves.

This was a real question,by the way.....

Unfortunately I had no sexy picture to make it stand out....as it were

So why IS a guy "bad" and a woman (adult) "naughty" ?

Prize for the best answer

Ooops - forgot the eye-catching picture....

if lables are going to be stuck here then probably better to stick with both naughty or both bad...

I cant think of a valid answer to differentiate the bad from the naughty in any viable context that will be accepted by modern mainstream femenist idealology...

(my brain just went into meltdown)

amazing this uncanny urge to steer a perfectly silly dialogue back to insipid correctness... 

That is Neither Naughty or BAD... its just WRONG!!!!

Well think HARDER!!!!

(He he - you see,we can be bad too )

And spelling needs a bit of revising- I'm just saying...

at so many levels!!

dyslexia rules ko

Well,the ones above weren't so "right" either

This is Naughty :)

Yawnnnnn - not very original

Brain must be in meltdown,as you said

This is Naughty but nice , does that give you clarification ?

Well, nobody except poor Charlie has tried to answer my question so ......I'll leave you to get on.....Enjoy(and  remember,always  be BAD ,not naughty)

Why?

Becasue its doing something you shouldnt really be doing in the context of what society says you should be doing ... however you do it because it feels good , and is therefore naughty but nice ;-(

No...on second thoughts,forget I said anything......I don't think I'm going to learn anything new....

Urrrgh-but why are women "naugty" - and men "bad"??? 

I think I'll go for a run-or a smoke

maybe thats because Naughty is slightly less than being BAD. So men are Bad, and women are naughty :) simple see :)

This is exactyl what I mean! 

A picture speaks a thousand words :)

They're both based on cliches and completely interchangeable, so I don't think you can read anything into it.

You'll hear "He's a naughty boy" and "She's a bad girl" just as often.  And if you're in the right part of Bankgkok, they might even be referring to the same person

Living with a 3D version of the picture I can totally confirm

Count me out too!...

Party time in 2h and counting.... 1:59. 1:58...

There must be some adjectives in between arseholes and submissive for men... right? Try to find guys with other options and go for a test drive

And BTW Molly, I really love your profile pic... you seem to know how to handle a bad boy... by the b..... haha!

and the sun is shinning !!

...and soooooooo? we are no vampires 

sure about that? ;-)

I'm on Santas naughty list

not even going to ask how you got put on it!!

Im free for test drives, Friday 4pm to Sunday 10pm :)

i put myself on it.... its fun here...

im sure it is, i must get myself on his list !

Oh my Kristine! ...meeting a maiden of spotless virtue and sinking the invisible fangs of my dark side into her mysterious mind... quite a ride!  

i prefer heaven for climate and hell for the company , youre very welcome Fi...

well it would be pretty boring in heaven when all our friends are in hell :-).....

Naughty or nice?  How do you like them?

Neither naughty nor nice.

Naughty does not mean a guy is hot, strong, adult and steady, etc.

Nice does not mean the guy is "so" nice...  A man or a woman can sound very nice but act very stupidly and drive someone mad (as a couple).

A "bad" guy can seem strong but I personally don't think it is necessarily the case.  A lot of "bad" guys actually are not so strong but would not admit it.  It is only a "shell"...

So my answer would be: "not" "nice", not "bad" but a "hot" guy who is honestly strong for himself

Hey,Marieh - something interesting on here again!

In my experience,"bad"/"naughty" "boys"/"men"  are often guys who are trying to protect themselves against showing their very vulnerable selves.Sometimes they are basically very fragile but hide behind a veneer of cool detachment.They can construct a very effective defence system -but it IS just a defense.

Or else they are not mature.

A guy can be hot and very exciting - but be mature and emotionally developed too.He might be complicated.......but that doesn't have to equate with "bad" or "naughty"

I think it's more likely that "bad boys" are that way just because they can.  The "vulnerable and fragile underneath" thing is part of the sales pitch.  (Seems to be convincing!)

Also: I've had at least a couple of friends who were definitely "bad boys" as far as women were concerned, but completely pleasant and dependable in all other circumstances.

Well,I can only speak from experience - maybe your guy friends wouldn't show anothr guy that they were fragile?

From what I know,I can't say it was "sales pitch" but more of a deeply hidden problem.

Oh yes - and "bad"/"naughty" can eventually become "irritating"/"boring" by the way

And.....by the way.....where is Keith P when you really need him,guys?

Funny, alot of winding up here.

We all like Naughty and Nice.

its not if we like Naughty or Nice.

Just / maybe my idea of Naught and/or Nice is not same as others.

Expectations? Tollerance? Interpretation? Confusion? manipulation, etc.etc.etc

Management is about 'how do you like them, naught or Nice? I think one knows the choice and 'Management' is after to get what one wants and how one gets this .........

All arbitrary to each others tradition, culture, tradition, habits, desires, experience and education.

Not "corretness"(whatever that is) but a genuine question - the language used is very telling.I just wonder if people realise the implications.

Thinking is allowed here - isn't it?

At least, it's a guarantee for you ladies  to get some pleasure a few days roughly every month...

Yes, thinking's allowed.

Just not always appreciated (IMHO)

This post is turning into an online version of Viz - actually, that's unfair.

Viz is far too intellectual for most of the posters on here and for all the "it must be the time of the month" references.......

http://www.viz.co.uk/crapjokes.html

Sorry - that should be:

Same idea, two ways to express it.

Yes,of course but you have missed the point.Oh dear,I give up.

"Naughty or Nice? How do you like them?"

Can't I have both? I want a bad (erm, naughty bad) boy in the bedroom, and a gentleman out of it (well, he's allowed to bring the bad boy to the bathroom, kitchen, living room etc occasionally...). 

Note: must prove to be a gentleman out of the bedroom first, before getting a chance to be a bad boy in the bedroom! 

Of course you can have both :)

You give up too easily ...

Being the bad-to-the-bone chauvinistig pig that everybody knows I truly am (ask my entirely female team) , I find amazing how some embittered folks (nooo I will not name) jus't can't help but venting their delusion from every possible window. How sad. I truy pity you. ....Get yourself a (sex) life!

To the others, cheers!

ha ha ha - you reckon? Like your style.

To others on this thread - let's not be" naughty" and make silly jibes about people we don't know, just because they have an opinion to express that is not the same as ours.

Respect - and maturity is the name of THIS game.

Yes i reckon :) each time you ask a question or make a statement, you make a throw away comment, like I give up , when you dont get the answer you want :)

Dont give up, wait patiently for your answers, and if the question is misunderstood, then maybe re-phrase the question. Re-reading your comments your answer has been given on a number of occasions :)

Have a fun day :)

Mmm-you have a point.I see what you mean.(first comment)

But I don't agree with your second point - on the surface they do but in fact the essential point tends to get lost.

Anyway,it's Sunday,I have a hangover PLUS a bad cold and .....there are other things to do.

Did I? or have you? You can't expess yourseld in veiled terms or hint what you have in mind as you often do and complain that others miss your point
Have a great day.

Meet me

Btw good question Charlie!

My experience: better not to be too naughty. Some men cannot handle it

i doubt that Rena...you strike me as being angelic

It's all about timing

Id love to ;)

it's a good question charlie posted. but while thinking about it is fun ultimately it is irrelevant as far as taking action is concerned, we can only be the people we are. from a male or female perspective, no matter how awesome or attractive the person sitting beside us at the bar may be...if they don't like us when we're being ourselves then what is there to do other than smile, let the moment pass and order a fresh drink. for all of us, boys and girls, mieux vaut être seul qul mal accompagné :o)

thanks for the posting the thread charlie!

SOOOOOOO true!! I knew there was a reason I was still single..... "sigh".....

It certainly catches the eye!

Some women can't either!

Clever man :)

The Irish tell the truth as they see it, without clouding it in fog.... its our downfall and our strength sometimes...

No,you're just too bright,too funny,too strong,too gorgeous,too - remember what Harry Enfield said ......just imagine fluffy kittens!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxY9rZwNGU

Thanks gorgeous - and classic!!

Once a rebel - always a rebel

didnt Harry Enfield champion the "women know your place" clips.... anyway... youre right...everyone on here is fluffy and cuddly.... 

....I didn't say EVERYONE

grumpy...

Personally, I can think of nothing worse. 

Fights, not talking. them being arseholes, wanting to "change them" and that's "fun", we think we can change them and mother them? 

What's "succinct, honest and accurate" about that? More to the point - if you love someone why would you WANT to change them?????

ha ha - after the day I've had ion the site!!!!

We-elll- some of us like it when men don't hold doors open.But for COMPLETELY different reasons

And,as for "make up sex" - such a dead end really.It gets to it's dead end...in the end,don't you think?

Oh My God.... dont tell me it demeans you if a man opens a door for you?

I.....suspect.....you are intelligent enough not to really need an answer to that.C'mon-you're just playing dumb,right?

Well...if that's what you enjoy....who am i to disagree?But...been there...done that...bored with it

Ok I know you can answer your own doors, pull out your own chair, carry your own shopping, drive your own car, pour your own wine.... but isnt it nice if...occasionally... someone else does it for you?

I can cook, clean, sew, etc etc blah blah... but its damn nice if someone occasionally does it for me....

Sure - but not just because you are a man and seen to be incapable.I open doors for EVERYONE - it's just general respect for others.

Challenge accepted.

Yawnnnn

It's obviously too late for anything interesting here.Happy flirting/.Sleep well!

I’m curious as some women make out being ‘nice’ as some sort of insult. What the f—k is wrong with that? I think the issue is a lot of them confuse ‘nice’ with someone who is unsure of himself, which I’d imaging being with someone who couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery could be annoying. However, a man can be confident and yet still ‘nice’. But a bloke who acts like a total c—t to women isn’t something to be admired.

The next step will be getting a ‘Croydon facelift’ hairstyle, and coming out with statements like, “E dunt mean it when he frow’s me daahn the stairs. It’s just ‘is way.  An’ it was my fault anyway, cos I never cleaned ‘is football boots proper! You never see ‘is sensi’ve siiiide. Every time ‘e puts me in ‘ospital ‘e always brings me flaaars. Thank God for that accident blackspot near where we live.”

It seems to me that what we as guys should be saying, is that "we are who we are" and women... "If you like us when you met us, then don't try and change us",

Because you wont like what you try and change us into....

Operation: Bad Boy

Okay Molly – well, I have to admit, it’s going against the grain somewhat but I thought I’d follow your sage advice but acting like a ‘Bad Boy’ to piss my missus off and have great make up sex. I figured that the more ‘bad’ things I do, the better it’ll be so here’s my diabolical plan…

Step 1: Take out ten loans all in her name with various Ukrainian loan sharks by faking her signature.

Step 2: Remortgage house without telling her.

Step 3: Sell off all her highly precious sentimental jewelry that’s been in her family for years

Step 4: Put an ad on autoscout24.ch to sell her car behind her back.

Step 5: Book flight to Vegas to piss all the proceeds from the above away on Blackjack, cocaine and hookers (making sure I go on a date that corresponds with her birthday and our anniversary).

Step 6: Install industrial strength spring-loaded fire doors all over the flat, so the second she opens one, it’ll fly back into her face at 50 kmph (cos all chicks think that’s hot!)

Step 7: Return when I feel like it to find her choking for it with my new-found ‘bad-boyness’!

Step 8: When confronted say shrug and say, “Female dogs have a tendency towards foolishness!”

Step 9: Ignore step 8 as it was too nice! Should read, “Bitches be crazy!”

Step 10: Ignore Steps 1 to 9 and continue to appreciate just how lucky I am to be married to someone as cool as my wife!

Rich, I think Molly is kinda talking "bad boys" in the sense that the guy in question gets a bit pissed on a night out and comes home 3 hrs later than promised smelling of kebab chilli sauce and with a few too many beer reciepts in his pocket, and then throws himself at her apologetically and amorously in a vein attempt to cover up the 3 am return instead of the promised midnight....

I doubt anyone would be keen on dating an embezzeler or thief.... but I get where you are going with this...

Is it just men who you don't mind slamming a door in your face, or will I have to form an orderly queue? 

Sounds like my ex wife ... she did step 1, 2,3,4, something similar to 5.:-/  thats what you get for being nice .. was a long time ago now , so im recovered... :)

My bad. Like I said, I'm not very good at being bad. I didn't realise there was a law of diminishing returns which applied to this.

Who may like bad boys, you may like being treaded rudely, but I could not help noticing that you've got them by the balls, quite firmly in your hands

I dunno...

I've had strips torn off me for arriving home drunk later than normal and covered in chilli sauce before....

In fact Ive had strips torn off me for ordering "that beer which you dont need"...

(if i didnt need it I wouldnt have ordered it...ppppffft )

Strips torn off me for chatting to the "wrong type of girl".... (she was a girl and not a ladyboy so i thought it was perfectly fine,,, my bad obviously) 

I can go on... but now you get why Im single...

not all grow up Molly...some get second wind (or second chances depending on view point)

Ooooohhh! That’s SO naïve, it’s almost sweet.  Your first few sentences are just regurgitation of previous drivel, however your last couple of lines had me in stitches – sorry, that’s LMAO or ONFLMAO or LMFAO – take your pick.  

“most of them (women) are older than me so maybe the simply dont have the bad men interested in them”

No, we're not interested in THEM.  We’ve had enough of them behaving like fractious teenagers and embarrassing themselves and have turned to more mature, solid reliable men instead for our entertainment and delight.

“as men do gradually grow out of the bad boy phase, sadly”

Come back in 10 years times and tell me “sadly” 

“or they simply want to have fun with the younger women”

That’s got nothing to do with guys being “bad”, it to do with guys being deluded that younger women are attracted to their personality and not to their wallet.

“Youth is wasted on the Young”

Oscar Wilde (you’ll relate to him.  He was an Irish writer in the 19th century and your original “bad boy”.  Died alone and destitute inParis at the age of 46 – bless ‘im)

pppffffttt its all drivvel and codswhallop....

"A bad man is the sort of man who admires innocence, and a bad woman is the sort of woman a man never gets tired of."

Molly, in February 2010 I had an embolism. After reading the shit you've just written, I think I'm in danger of having another one from laughing. 

And being gay, he'd know about these sort of things.....or is there something you're not telling us, Charlie 

That's why you were the scarf now?

Carolyn, I suspect a large number of those men know damn well the girls half their age are after their wallets -- they don't care.  The only people who appear to object to such arrangements are those lacking the resources to participate in such transactions -- men lacking monetary capital; girls lacking erotic capital.

As for Molly, I don't normally use the phrase "corporal punishment" on Glocals but in this case it fits.  I reckon papa patriarch refused to properly assert and today's saucy little ginger is the end-result.  On this forum, where she finds her voice, all and sundry may gaze upon her with admiration and wonderment.  innit.

That's why you wear this scarf now?

Lets be clear about which "camp" (-sic) I pitch my tent... its firmly in the male hetrosexual section.... women only are welcome to share my sleeping bag anytime.

..However Caro...are you telling me that gay men don't have an insight into how humanity interact with each other?

Like.....innit.

That's right Rena. Because the best treatment for a double pulmonary embolism isn't a reduced vitamin K diet combined with INR checks and claxane ... it's a blue 'scarf'. 

Give Molly a break...we're from a different country to you heathens......

Its in our nature to be naughty bad drunk and the rest,,, and yer all love us for it...

Not at all - gay men can have as much or as little insight into how humanity interact - I just think he'd have "different" insight.  He probably knew a lot more about bad boys than he did about bad women.

Shame he's long dead - could have introduced some of them to Molly.

I hope you don't consider us Scots "heathens"....

Celtic or Rangers????

Blue or Green????

Jes coz ye weerr a kilt doesnee meen yer nae a heathen....

Ive been called a fenian bastard by a Scot drill sarnt as he pushed me out of an airplane at 3000m  so....er, yep... I may be biaised.

Oh was it you who beat the sound barrier jumping from outter space?

Ah sorry - I seem to mix something up here.

Time for a break ^^,

Same one for me again -> Slainte!

Celtic - and green (presumably you're talking vegetables?)  Never been called a Heathen in my life - comes from coming from Hillhead, I guess. 

Scottish drill sarnt (?) would have called you anything just to make sure you jumped out the sodding plane.

Now had he removed your parachute beforehand - THEN you could have been pissed off at being called a fenian bastard.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.... I came to this thread late but just HAVE to say. I like a man who respects me as a person first, girl second. Naughty is fun (when taken in a sexual context), nice is also fun - it doesn't mean the guy is lacking in balls (to coin a phrase), in self respect or is a push over. I've noted in the past that so-called bad boys tend not to be the brightest crayons in the box... a good enough reason to avoid them, non?  And the ones who really stick at it (being bad boys) are normally relegated to the dregs of society by age 35 (it's not a good look by then).  That said, relationships/interactionsare different depending on the personalities involved and perceptions. I've had horrific rows with guys just because we were incompatible neither of us was naughty or bad.... But I guess if you go back to the gist of Charlie's question - the right person, for me, has to be nice, a good guy, sincere and open, self respecting and with self esteem... Bad, as somebody mentioned, is just boring.

"and the ones who really stick at it...are normally relegated to the dregs of society by age 35 (it's not a good look by then)"

Ha ha - SO true.Not behaving like an adult doesn't work anymore after a certain point - though some of them do plug on into their 40's!

It gets tedious being with someone who doesn't act like a grown up.And just living on "sexy make-up time" - that's a bit immature too,when you think about it and,as said before,it's a dead end.

here you go again, dregs of society ? not behaving how an Adult should ? Act like a grown up ? all very judgemental statements.

IMHO not always acting like an Adult is refreshing, letting your inner child out from time to time can be fun :)

Who is to say how an Adult should or shouldnt behave ?

Tedium comes from being the same all the time ..  living on just sexy time has nothing to do with being mature.. it just means you are able to have fun . .. and its never a dead end, everything for a reason.. :)

Im over 40, and still sticking at it , im neither immature nor have i been relegated to the dregs of society as you put it. I can be naughty, i can be nice, i can be an out and out b.stard at times , but im always true to myself. :)

Ok-that's nice for you

Whatever is wrong with "being yourself" ??? 

You are who you are...I am who I am...we are surely different in a multitude of ways, but I dont judge you for your views or your actions....

(I might take the piss occasionally but... stop being so cynical Buzz....)

Karl – I don’t think that Buzz/Alison/myself or anyone else is implying that we should all act like “adults”, or “grown ups” all the time and take ourselves too seriously and never misbehave. 

Life would be far to dull like that.

There’s nothing wrong with being “naughty” and “letting out your inner child”.  I agree, it IS refreshing and it’s great fun and knowing Buzzcocks personally, she has a wicked and wacky sense of humour.  

We all love to be “silly” on occasions, but BEING adults, we do it with respect for other people, appreciating that we ARE all different and what I may find silly and fun, others may find disrespectful, immature or irresponsible.

But if you take one definition of “bad boy” as:

  “The bad boy, cad, bounder or thug is a cultural archetype of a male who behaves badly, and oftentimes is abusive, especially towards women”

Then I think it would be perfectly reasonable to refer to someone that fits into that category as “dregs of society” or “immature” or “disrespectful.  And if you're still collecting ASBOS at the age of 40 then you really are just plain sad.

Naughty or nice, good or bad, it’s about respect for the other person and acting appropriately towards that person, their temperament. their environment and most importantly, their expectations.

That's my "serious hat" going home for the evening.

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