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Orange and Sunrise Merger (article from NYT)


France Télécom said Wednesday that it would pay 1.5 billion euros ($2.27 billion) to merge its Swiss subsidiary with Sunrise, Switzerland's No. 2 operator, in an effort to challenge the state-owned market leader, Swisscom.

France Télécom said that it planned to combine Sunrise, which is owned by TDC of Copenhagen, and its Orange Switzerland in a new entity with 3.4 million customers and a 38 percent market share. France Télécom will own 75 percent of the new company, while TDC will retain 25 percent.


"This will really provide us with the critical mass we need in the Swiss market," said Olaf Swantee, the Orange executive vice president in charge of France Télécom's mobile businesses.


The merger is the second deal in three months for France Télécom, which in September announced plans to combine its unprofitable British operator, Orange U.K., with another struggling operator, T-Mobile U.K., in a 50-50 joint venture.


In Switzerland, Orange and Sunrise were fighting an uphill battle against Swisscom, which is 57 percent owned by the Swiss government and has 62 percent of the mobile market, according to IE Market Research in Vancouver, Canada.


"This is a relatively small market, and Swisscom is very dominant, so you can't have a proliferation of small players in that kind of environment," said Emma Mohr-McClune, an analyst at Current Analysis in Freiburg, Germany.


Europe's mobile markets are largely saturated, and some smaller operators have been struggling amid intense competition and as European regulators have capped roaming and termination rates.


In Switzerland, the average monthly revenue per cellphone customer is expected to fall 23 percent over the next four years, from 57.2 Swiss francs ($57), this year to 44.20 francs, according to IE Market Research.


Philip Kendall, an analyst at Strategy Analytics in London, said: "We are clearly in a saturated market environment in Europe. When you add into the mix the regulatory pressure on roaming and mobile termination rates and sluggish expenditure during the recession, all operators are looking at ways of cutting costs."


The fusion of Sunrise and Orange Switzerland, the No. 3 operator in the country, would reduce the number of mobile network operators in Switzerland to just two - Orange and Swisscom.


Even so, Gervais Pellissier, France Télécom's chief financial officer, said he was confident of obtaining Swiss regulatory approval for the purchase because Switzerland also had eight virtual mobile operators, which are service resellers, besides the three existing network operators.


"The proposal we have today will create a stronger telecom operator on the Swiss market," Mr. Pellissier said. "In the end, this will benefit Swiss consumers."


TDC is majority-owned by five private equity firms: Apax Partners, Blackstone, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, Permira and Providence Equity Partners.


 


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Orange and Sunrise Merger (article from NYT)


France Télécom said Wednesday that it would pay 1.5 billion euros ($2.27 billion) to merge its Swiss subsidiary with Sunrise, Switzerland's No. 2 operator, in an effort to challenge the state-owned market leader, Swisscom.

France Télécom said that it planned to combine Sunrise, which is owned by TDC of Copenhagen, and its Orange Switzerland in a new entity with 3.4 million customers and a 38 percent market share. France Télécom will own 75 percent of the new company, while TDC will retain 25 percent.


"This will really provide us with the critical mass we need in the Swiss market," said Olaf Swantee, the Orange executive vice president in charge of France Télécom's mobile businesses.


The merger is the second deal in three months for France Télécom, which in September announced plans to combine its unprofitable British operator, Orange U.K., with another struggling operator, T-Mobile U.K., in a 50-50 joint venture.


In Switzerland, Orange and Sunrise were fighting an uphill battle against Swisscom, which is 57 percent owned by the Swiss government and has 62 percent of the mobile market, according to IE Market Research in Vancouver, Canada.


"This is a relatively small market, and Swisscom is very dominant, so you can't have a proliferation of small players in that kind of environment," said Emma Mohr-McClune, an analyst at Current Analysis in Freiburg, Germany.


Europe's mobile markets are largely saturated, and some smaller operators have been struggling amid intense competition and as European regulators have capped roaming and termination rates.


In Switzerland, the average monthly revenue per cellphone customer is expected to fall 23 percent over the next four years, from 57.2 Swiss francs ($57), this year to 44.20 francs, according to IE Market Research.


Philip Kendall, an analyst at Strategy Analytics in London, said: "We are clearly in a saturated market environment in Europe. When you add into the mix the regulatory pressure on roaming and mobile termination rates and sluggish expenditure during the recession, all operators are looking at ways of cutting costs."


The fusion of Sunrise and Orange Switzerland, the No. 3 operator in the country, would reduce the number of mobile network operators in Switzerland to just two - Orange and Swisscom.


Even so, Gervais Pellissier, France Télécom's chief financial officer, said he was confident of obtaining Swiss regulatory approval for the purchase because Switzerland also had eight virtual mobile operators, which are service resellers, besides the three existing network operators.


"The proposal we have today will create a stronger telecom operator on the Swiss market," Mr. Pellissier said. "In the end, this will benefit Swiss consumers."


TDC is majority-owned by five private equity firms: Apax Partners, Blackstone, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, Permira and Providence Equity Partners.


 



Nir OfekNov 28, 2009 @ 19:57
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Hi Nir O,


Thanks for the post. That would certainly help Orange positioning on the Swiss market. With most of their fix costs outsourced, what kind of synergies do you think they would be able to capture with this merge?


Cheers,


Basil

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Hi Nir O,


Thanks for the post. That would certainly help Orange positioning on the Swiss market. With most of their fix costs outsourced, what kind of synergies do you think they would be able to capture with this merge?


Cheers,


Basil


Basil H, Dec 29, 2009 @ 00:14
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Hi Basil,


You might be aware that both Orange and Sunrise have reatively large outsourced deal with ALU (another French comapany) who have allready announced a 5 - 10 % staff cuts in Switzerland for 2010. For the employees the future is bright the future is ...


Adam

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Hi Basil,


You might be aware that both Orange and Sunrise have reatively large outsourced deal with ALU (another French comapany) who have allready announced a 5 - 10 % staff cuts in Switzerland for 2010. For the employees the future is bright the future is ...


Adam


AdamD, Dec 29, 2009 @ 10:55
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This is a good way to evaluate the savings from a sourcing point of view since ALU was also a Sunrise partner if I am not mistaken. But a 5-10% staff reduction will not directly translate into a 5 - 10% contract saving from a Orange/Sunrise vantage point...


Did EDS (Orange sourcing partner for IT) announce a similar staff reduction?


Cheers,

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This is a good way to evaluate the savings from a sourcing point of view since ALU was also a Sunrise partner if I am not mistaken. But a 5-10% staff reduction will not directly translate into a 5 - 10% contract saving from a Orange/Sunrise vantage point...


Did EDS (Orange sourcing partner for IT) announce a similar staff reduction?


Cheers,


Basil H, Dec 29, 2009 @ 11:58
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any idea on what will this mean for the customers? What if you are already with an orange contract? Anything will happen?


Just asking as I had some Major dispute with sunrise 4 years ago (phone was stolen and they asked me for money for bills of 1200chf!!) which ended with me saying i will never use them again and them saying fine we'll not give you a new contract ... but now am happy with orange ...


also, does this mean less choices in terms of tariffes??



Vale

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any idea on what will this mean for the customers? What if you are already with an orange contract? Anything will happen?


Just asking as I had some Major dispute with sunrise 4 years ago (phone was stolen and they asked me for money for bills of 1200chf!!) which ended with me saying i will never use them again and them saying fine we'll not give you a new contract ... but now am happy with orange ...


also, does this mean less choices in terms of tariffes??



Vale


Hoiling, Jan 4, 2010 @ 11:39
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From what I read, the merger - IF it happens - won't really hit the market and impact clients until 2011. It first needs to be approved by the anti-trust bodies, and then to be planned by the 2 companies, etc etc. So no effect likely for 2010. After that, no idea...


I would assume tho that the anti-trust body would put very heavy focus on ensuring that if the merger goes on, end clients are not negatively impacted.

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From what I read, the merger - IF it happens - won't really hit the market and impact clients until 2011. It first needs to be approved by the anti-trust bodies, and then to be planned by the 2 companies, etc etc. So no effect likely for 2010. After that, no idea...


I would assume tho that the anti-trust body would put very heavy focus on ensuring that if the merger goes on, end clients are not negatively impacted.


Nir Ofek, Jan 4, 2010 @ 11:45
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That's a relief :)


Let's wait and see what happens IF it happens then :). Who knows where will we be in 2011!!


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That's a relief :)


Let's wait and see what happens IF it happens then :). Who knows where will we be in 2011!!


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Hoiling, Jan 4, 2010 @ 11:49
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the customers will remain dreamers. prices, no matter with which tariff model, will stay high, too high compared to the other countries in the EU. they all know that switzerland is a market where you can milk the clients. now already with three providers there is serious price rigging going on. free market and competition? not really in this sector. the only player who can make pressure is swisscom, because they could cross-finance a short term loss with the income of their monopoly on the landline's last mile. there we pay double compared to clients in france or germany...

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the customers will remain dreamers. prices, no matter with which tariff model, will stay high, too high compared to the other countries in the EU. they all know that switzerland is a market where you can milk the clients. now already with three providers there is serious price rigging going on. free market and competition? not really in this sector. the only player who can make pressure is swisscom, because they could cross-finance a short term loss with the income of their monopoly on the landline's last mile. there we pay double compared to clients in france or germany...


summermind, Jan 4, 2010 @ 12:12
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@ Nir O: pretty sure the merger happen even though the Swisss govt is behind Swisscom. Dealine is May 2010 for COMCO to approve the deal. Not clearing the deal could damage the neutrality of the organization...


@ Hoiling: an operator cannot change the service they provide or the price otherwise it would be a breach in your contract. They would probably come with new price plans with advantages and drawbacks compared to what you currently have... Choose wisely!


@ Summermind:  I understand where you're coming from. Yet it is the role of the COMCO to preclude such collusion. ULL did happen in 2007 and this had a real positive impact for customers. I believe the Sunrise zero 50 + Sunrise click&call 5000 is really competitive even at European level.


Basil

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@ Nir O: pretty sure the merger happen even though the Swisss govt is behind Swisscom. Dealine is May 2010 for COMCO to approve the deal. Not clearing the deal could damage the neutrality of the organization...


@ Hoiling: an operator cannot change the service they provide or the price otherwise it would be a breach in your contract. They would probably come with new price plans with advantages and drawbacks compared to what you currently have... Choose wisely!


@ Summermind:  I understand where you're coming from. Yet it is the role of the COMCO to preclude such collusion. ULL did happen in 2007 and this had a real positive impact for customers. I believe the Sunrise zero 50 + Sunrise click&call 5000 is really competitive even at European level.


Basil


Basil H, Jan 7, 2010 @ 22:42
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