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I live in France, St Julien, near Geneva. The place is usually quiet most of the day and night, which is good, but I have a problem in the mornings.


What are the official hours when the neighbours are not allowed to make noise? I believe it is 22-8, but is it different on weekends? Most of the noise happens around 8 which is too early for me, and lately it has started to happen as early as 7 or even after 6. It also happens on weekends sometimes.


The problem is that someone is listening to radio/tv way too loud sometimes. And on top of this every morning I can hear someone pacing around in some shoes that sounds like shoes for mountain climbing on a metal floor. I dont know if I can do much about the second but its annoying.


Its a bit tricky since my French isnt ideal and I have already left a note with the help of google translate for one neighbour and it didn't help (who knows, I may even have got the wrong neighbour - it is sometimes hart to pinpoint where exactly is the noise coming from).

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I live in France, St Julien, near Geneva. The place is usually quiet most of the day and night, which is good, but I have a problem in the mornings.


What are the official hours when the neighbours are not allowed to make noise? I believe it is 22-8, but is it different on weekends? Most of the noise happens around 8 which is too early for me, and lately it has started to happen as early as 7 or even after 6. It also happens on weekends sometimes.


The problem is that someone is listening to radio/tv way too loud sometimes. And on top of this every morning I can hear someone pacing around in some shoes that sounds like shoes for mountain climbing on a metal floor. I dont know if I can do much about the second but its annoying.


Its a bit tricky since my French isnt ideal and I have already left a note with the help of google translate for one neighbour and it didn't help (who knows, I may even have got the wrong neighbour - it is sometimes hart to pinpoint where exactly is the noise coming from).


Andrew IFeb 28, 2011 @ 08:56
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I think the first thing you have to do is go talk to them, nicely. Take a friend with you who speaks French well enough if that's necessary. Maybe the person just didn't realize he/she was making noise and the problem will be solved. In my view leaving notes is not a good idea, as it can come over as very unpersonal, and also make the person feel that you don't want to have any personal contact with them.


Good luck!

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I think the first thing you have to do is go talk to them, nicely. Take a friend with you who speaks French well enough if that's necessary. Maybe the person just didn't realize he/she was making noise and the problem will be solved. In my view leaving notes is not a good idea, as it can come over as very unpersonal, and also make the person feel that you don't want to have any personal contact with them.


Good luck!


eva77, Feb 28, 2011 @ 09:19
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maybe you should wake up early !!!!

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maybe you should wake up early !!!!


farz b, Feb 28, 2011 @ 09:12
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Yeah I tried to talk to them this morning actually (before I wrote this), thinking who knows maybe the speak english, or my french is good enough to get the message across, but they didn't answer the door...

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Yeah I tried to talk to them this morning actually (before I wrote this), thinking who knows maybe the speak english, or my french is good enough to get the message across, but they didn't answer the door...


Andrew I, Feb 28, 2011 @ 10:04
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maybe you should wake up early !!!!


Feb 28, 11 09:12

Between 7 and 8 every day? Hell no. Also, this happens on weekends too.

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Between 7 and 8 every day? Hell no. Also, this happens on weekends too.


Andrew I, Feb 28, 2011 @ 10:06
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im not sure the same noise rules apply in France as in Switzerland... plus 7 or 8 am probably doesnt count, since thats when builders can start with jack hammers etc.


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1. Domestic Noise Problems and Remedies in France

There is no clear legal definition of what consitutes noise nuisance arising from the lifestyle of neighbours.

The law merely specifies certain circumstances where noise nuisance might arise, which may be considered ‘unnecessary, uncaring or aggressive’.

Examples given in the legislation include a barking dog, loud music, DIY, domestic electrical equipment, fireworks, ventilation, or air conditioning equipment.

It also includes noise complaints about the French national symbol itself, the cockerel!

Local authorities can also fix times during which DIY can be undertaken, and during which noisy equipment in the garden can be used, outside of which a nuisance is considered to arise. However, this practice normally only applies in urban areas.

 




A noise is considered excessive if it is likely to disturb the peace of neighbours or their health by their ‘duration, repetition or their intensity’.

Anyone one of the three criteria is sufficient for a potential nuisance to be caused.

 




The rule applies irrespective of the time of day or night. Therefore, although a neighbour may feel it reasonable to play loud music up to say 11pm in the evening, the law makes no concession as to the time at which the noise nuisance occurred.

Sadly, however, those causing a noise nuisance are only liable to a fine of up to €450 in the criminal court, and possible (though rarely) confiscation of the offending item.

Only if it could be demonstrated that a neighbour was deliberately and maliciously causing a noise nuisance could the punishment be greater, including the possibility of a prison sentence.

 




Top Tip!

Given that the level of the fine is so low, a complainant is often obliged to bring a civil action to bring about full resolution of the problem.

 




There are a number of different routes that can be taken to try to resolve a domestic noise problem with your neighbour, which are considered below.

The different approaches are:

 



1.1. ‘Friendly Persuasion’
1.2. Legal Advice Centre
1.3. Mediation
1.4. Mairie/Police Intervention
1.5. Médiateur Pénale
1.6. Tribunal d’instance
1.7. Civil Proceedings







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im not sure the same noise rules apply in France as in Switzerland... plus 7 or 8 am probably doesnt count, since thats when builders can start with jack hammers etc.


I got this one from Google...











1. Domestic Noise Problems and Remedies in France

There is no clear legal definition of what consitutes noise nuisance arising from the lifestyle of neighbours.

The law merely specifies certain circumstances where noise nuisance might arise, which may be considered ‘unnecessary, uncaring or aggressive’.

Examples given in the legislation include a barking dog, loud music, DIY, domestic electrical equipment, fireworks, ventilation, or air conditioning equipment.

It also includes noise complaints about the French national symbol itself, the cockerel!

Local authorities can also fix times during which DIY can be undertaken, and during which noisy equipment in the garden can be used, outside of which a nuisance is considered to arise. However, this practice normally only applies in urban areas.

 




A noise is considered excessive if it is likely to disturb the peace of neighbours or their health by their ‘duration, repetition or their intensity’.

Anyone one of the three criteria is sufficient for a potential nuisance to be caused.

 




The rule applies irrespective of the time of day or night. Therefore, although a neighbour may feel it reasonable to play loud music up to say 11pm in the evening, the law makes no concession as to the time at which the noise nuisance occurred.

Sadly, however, those causing a noise nuisance are only liable to a fine of up to €450 in the criminal court, and possible (though rarely) confiscation of the offending item.

Only if it could be demonstrated that a neighbour was deliberately and maliciously causing a noise nuisance could the punishment be greater, including the possibility of a prison sentence.

 




Top Tip!

Given that the level of the fine is so low, a complainant is often obliged to bring a civil action to bring about full resolution of the problem.

 




There are a number of different routes that can be taken to try to resolve a domestic noise problem with your neighbour, which are considered below.

The different approaches are:

 



1.1. ‘Friendly Persuasion’
1.2. Legal Advice Centre
1.3. Mediation
1.4. Mairie/Police Intervention
1.5. Médiateur Pénale
1.6. Tribunal d’instance
1.7. Civil Proceedings








Charlie, Feb 28, 2011 @ 10:43
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Maybe your neighbours are old and have the radio up loud and perhaps do not step lightly and are afraid to answer the door to strangers.  Do you have a 'regie' you can contact for help?

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Maybe your neighbours are old and have the radio up loud and perhaps do not step lightly and are afraid to answer the door to strangers.  Do you have a 'regie' you can contact for help?


Marksist, Feb 28, 2011 @ 14:14
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