Hi Diya,

My girlfriend and I made a quarantine together at the end of August - beginning of September. We didn't receive any calls from the authorities either. Apparently, they are overloaded and fight to keep up with the vital tasks.

As for groceries, we had bought a lot beforehand and cooked delicious meals that we washed down with good wine. We took it as an opportunitiy for cocooning. Doing a quarantine in a nice appartment in very good company was a truly nice experience.

What about you?

Hi Bustan,

That's lovely to hear. I did stock up before my travel so that kind of worked. And now relying on a friend to just drop anything I need on a SOS basis. Can't complain really, given the situation at large. I focused on meditation, reading, working and writing. However, I did get worried once when I left my grocery calls unanswered as they came to do an early delivery (go figure).  I often tend to keep my phone on silent mode when working on my writing. Had a mild meltdown wondering if I missed any authorities' surprise check. Barring these little anxieties, all good. And just wanted a sense of how people are coping in these rather extraordinary times. Thanks for sharing your experience. And stay safe. Diya 

No such thing as quarantine fro all yet again Diya. I doubt it happens again due to gouvernement focus more on econimic then health situation. 

When you're sick, you stay in for you and others;-)

Take care,

W.

We use leshop.ch or smood.ch for groceries or we visit the shops at opening time to avoid the crowds.We walk around the not so crowded forests around Geneva if the weather is nice equip with disinfectant and mask.

With the change in the laws on 28 October, is it still necessary to continue quarantine? I started mine on the 23rd, and I didn't arrive from the new list of high-risk countries. Has anything official been posted about this? 

As far as I know, despite many countries being barred from the black list, if you are in the middle of your 10 day quarantine, you still have to finish it, cannot be interrupted mid-way because the country you came from is not any more in the list. It is the list at the moment of your arrival and where have you been during the previous 14 days that counts.

I know controls are rare, but who want to risk a fee of up to 10000 CHF?I know of someone who got fined 2700 CHF because he was surprised breaking the quarantine on his 10th day ...

Yes, after other comments like this, I'm sticking out my full 10 days. As you say, better than the alternative.

Good morning All,

Any of you living in Nyon like me?

We are still authorized to go out, walk, hike. I am looking for like minded people to go on "distant walks ".

Have a safe & happy Friday,

Liv

Hi Liv,

Not available this weekend but next week, why not. Thanks for the idea as we have to all take a big breath from what's going on worldwide.

Regards,

W.

Near Nyon would love to explore Sentir des Toblerones. Let me know if this works for anyone here? And stay safe.

Diya's suggestion about a walk on the Sentier des Toblerones sounds lovely, as do the three of you who have expressed interest. I would normally join, but unfortunately, I am not sure Liv is correct that: "We are still authorized to go out, walk, hike."

You should be aware that, as of 1 November:

"The cantonal government reminded people that gatherings of more than five people in public spaces, particularly in public squares, busy walkways, parks and near bodies water were banned.

Also banned were public and private events involving more than five people, both inside and outside, including within the family circle."

More important than whether we "are allowed" or not to get together, is the question of what we can do to bring this pandemic under control, so that we can get back to some semblance of normality sooner rather than later.

Hiking, walking or doing anything in a public space is limited to 5 in Geneva and Vaud and am assuming it will stay like that until the end of the month and maybe longer.  A public place is anywhere which is accessible to the public so would include a footpath, or even the middle of the forest on no track, or the bottom of the lake preferably with scuba equipment. 

The advice is try to avoid long distance travellingas trains, buses and cars even with masks are not ideal. . Many clubs have simply cancelled their planned activites until the end of the year. I am being irresponsible in that I am continuing to organise walks in Geneva rsestricted of course to 5 people (myself included)


Site for Vaud
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-imposes-early-closing-time-for-bars-and-restaurants/46125392
page 17 paragraph 1.7.1
Site for Geneva
https://www.ge.ch/document/lutte-contre-covid-19-conseil-etat-declare-etat-necessite-met-place-mesures-plus-strictes-geneve
Go to the section bars and restaurants paragraph 8

The federal restriction is 10 but some cantons have restricted to 5 including GE/VD/NE/JU

You can click on the map of this link to get the latest in the cantons but it is not always that easy to find.

https://www.ch.ch/fr/coronavirus/

Paul, not quite: 

...lors de rassemblements de cinq personnes au plus, celles-ci doivent se tenir à au moins un mètre cinquante les unes des autres à l'exception des personnes faisant ménage commun...

For those who don't speak french, it is possible to meet others people (more then 5) in open space but only if you stay 1.5 m from one another. 

Regards,

W.

Wojtech I assume thar Polish is better than your French

According to google translate

cinque personnes au plus means najwyżej pięć osób

cinque personnes de plus =  jeszcze pięć osób

plus de cinque personnes = więcej niż pięć osób

I think yo0u should ask the administrators to remove your post,

For those who do not seak French or Polish please note the previous poster is mistaken 'cinq personnes au plus' means five people maximum.  That means you cannot go for a hike or walk with more than five people.  Splitting into 2 or 3 groups of five defeats the object of the exercise. 

First, Paul is right:

...lors de rassemblements de cinq personnes au plus, celles-ci doivent se tenir à au moins un mètre cinquante les unes des autres à l'exception des personnes faisant ménage commun...

Means:

"...in gatherings of up to five people, they must stand at least one meter and fifty from each other with the exception of people living together ..."

Again:

"gatherings of more than five people in public spaces, particularly in public squares, busy walkways, parks and near bodies water were banned.

Also banned were public and private events involving more than five people, both inside and outside, including within the family circle."

But these are the details. The central fact is that we are dealing with a highly infectious disease, which is mostly transmitted when people are not displaying symptoms, and the best way to control it under current circumstances is to avoid contact with others, stay away, wear a mask if you must go out where there are other people, and remove any virus you may have picked up from surfaces with your hands by washing them often.

Why is it so hard to understand?

People in New Zealand, most of Australia, China, Taiwan, Vietnam and South Korea understood it, and life is back to normal in most (not all) of them.

I understand the point you are making that rally we should be self isolating as much as possible and I have to admit that I am not doing this.  DSuring the first wave I did this which even involved drawing up baskets of food to may balcony with a rope and not going out on my bicycle in case I fell off it and took up a hospital bed.

I am very wary of the infection rate and probably have the cleanest handds in Geneva but with a group of five meeting up at the start point of the hike I am minimising the contact.  And during th walk distasnces are maintained.  I do not make up two groups of 5 people as this defeats the object. 

So I have a resoect for the virus and think I am minimising the risk - the problem is that I do not know how the group behaveswith regard to social distancing  before and after the walk.  Once thew restrictions are lifted I doubt very much that is will increase the number of participants above 5. I am very sceptical of government 'health' decisions which are possibly based on economic reasoning.

Thank you for this lesson Paul;-)

Not me - google translate

I should have been more focus...at now I'm humiliated in front of large audience...

Anyway, it's smart to not take any risk and follow the instructions but...personally I think that you can't get covid from person beeing 2 meters away from you, doesn't matter if you are 5 or 10 but the law is the law and it should be respected.

Also, if you see in the park 10 people 2 meters from each other, would you call it "gathering"? 

I guess we can continue like that but not sure if it's sens to do it.

My intention was not to humilate but only to point out in a way that drew people's attention to the fact that the limit is five max. Do not worry I am not French and before posting I had to double check the meaning of au plus.  I went in a bit hard not to shame but to get the message across. I have had know-it-alls complaining that I am posting information that is obvious and everybody knows what to do.  Unfortunately the case is that people do not know or specifically try to bypass the rules and you cannot imagine the number of times I have had to point out that a group of hikers is a gathering and a footpath is a public space like a park.

Groups of hikers are dividing themselves into two or three groups of 5 and not keeping apart.  This defeats the idea.  I am pleased to say that I did a 5 hour walk in the Geneva canton today and met  a group of 1, two groups of 2 and a group of 3 - a total of 8 people.  Yesterday on a longer walk I met maximum 10 people and no more than 3 in a group.  So in general people are following the rules

With regard to your comment above, the rule is that a gathering is a group of people who are intentionally together and this is limited to 5 max keeping a distance of 2 metres.  So if you see 10 people together you must assume is is one group pretending to be two groups.  But all this is academic because apparently these restrictionsd do not cover political meetings where the limit is much higher!!  One should also remember that when the restrictions are lifted the decision will be partly economic and I certainly will not follow the goverment guideline and will impose stricter limits on gatherings (hikes) that I organise,

What puzzles me is why some hikers appear to need the company of several  people in order to enjoy their pastime.

In other words, why is a group of only four or five less enticing than a group of, say, 20 or more?

:-):-P

A part from all that, I've checked the numbers yeasterday and today and...it is still not great...:-( Today less then yesterday but still more then it was while decisions of partial lockdown have been made.

I really do not know what to say except it would appear that if less than 100% of people do not take precautions the virus is here to stay.  I assume a vaccine will help but it is not clear yet how often we will have to take the vaccine and what percentage of people will agree to take the vaccine.  There are those idiots who will refuse on the basis that is counter to their civil liberties. 

Agree totally.  Unfortunately the majority are people who are not willing to lead walks themselves and could not care less about the dangers of travelling and mixing, of possibly becoming infected and worse still transmitting to others. So if not many hikes are being proposed they will jump on to whatever is on offer and irresponsible hike leaders will accept  say 20 people and divide them into 2 or 4 groups depending on the canton . 

This does not surprise me.  I have o faith in human responsibility. The onlypermarket thing I can say is that mixing outdoors is probably safer than being in a suoermarket

The only th

I agree that shopping in a supermarket may

have its risks but nowadays most of us are in and out of a store soonest possible.  Gossiping in the aisles is clearly discouraged and I’ve noticed that shop assistants are quick to admonish

customers who are not wearing their mask correctly – and rightly so.

So perhaps one might in fact be more exposed to infection during a healthy all-day hike.

Paul:

To reinforce your argument, you might like to take a quick look at “Things to do”.

R.

Sorry a bit late replying.  I have seen what is on offer on things to do: let's go to Valais hiking because you can be 10 people; let's go to Vaud for a coffee or meal because the cafés and restaurants are open; let's go to Vaud to get our hair cut.  Impossible to change anything, the world is full of people who couzld not care less.  They might catch covid But that is presumably part of the fun for them; they might infedct others but hey : so what - that is the other persons problem.  I've seen it on glocals; I have seen it elsewhere - fortnately the majority of people are sensible

I did it alone. Group anything - I will not attempt. My only thing is hiking even with one more person makes it comforting. :) With distancing of course. Not planning to hug my co-hiker while navigating a path. ;)

I wrote a comment on the hike being organised this week providing the link to the canton of Vaud's law of no more than five individuals being allowed for sporting endeavours outdoors.  There are already eight attending.  My note was deleted! 

66 people died in Switzerland yesterday from Covid, and no numbers are available on the numbers of people in intensive care or those suffering from "long covid".

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/ch

Interesting.  I made a similar comment (maybe the same hike) and my comment was also deleted

Same here, my comment was also delete.

So finally one positive side to the pandemic, I have learnt that it is possible to delete comments on glocals.  I am no longer paying attention to what others do.  We are 9 months into the pandemic and many people are not taking it seriously, more interested in bypassing the rules - this includes people I know personally.  For those who do take it seriously take care and good luck.  I am drinking with my regular group tonight - on zoom.  Just as good as in a pub.  Maybe better because nobody talks over one another

I use this link (I think WHO) which shows the number of critical cases (which I assume is ICU) but everythings depends on what information is received.  What you do see is that despite all the criticism about Trump (whicxh I tend to agree with), the USA is in 11th place with 772 per million whereas UK is in 8th place with 783 and why does nobody talk about Belgium in gold medal position with 1278 deaths per million inhabitants?

On the flip side consider becoming a resident of the Vatican City; Faroe Islands; Eritra who have reported no deaths. 

:-P Pity Diya...just joking;-)

@Diya and @Wotjek I will send you a pm. 

:) 

For once am asking a question. Noted the Geneva hiling with dogs group have posted an outing clearly stating that the retriction is 5 people maximum as well as asking abiut behavoural problems with dogs in advance.  Finally a responsible group

Now my question. If I limit to 5 and a couple living in the same household want to come, do they count as one person or two?

Dear all, thank you for all your comments it is very imformative for me. I will be coming to Geneva on 15 Dec. (to stay). I have already a rented apartment but it has a very small fridge so I don't think I will be fortunate enough to stock up. 

Is there any grossery delivery in Geneva, just in case. 

Thank you again, Lisa. 

Plenty Easiest is to google is ' grocery delivery Geneva'.  The two biggest supermarkets Migros and Coop does and there are many others.  I would assume you can sign up in adavance.  However ordinary shopping is no hassle in Geneva unless you have rented in the middle of nowhere. I do not shop on line and if you are ordering small ammounts each time because of a small fridge you might find the delivery costs become a high percentage of the total.

This is the wrong forum and it would be best if you created a  new post in which you ask for mpeople's opnion on best, worst experiences

Thank you Paul for your reply and guidance, am sorry. I am new on this, next time will do change the forum. 

No problem. Simply if you create a new suject/thread you might get replies from people who actually shop on line. By the way do not kno how it is in Lebanon but customers and staff must wear masks.  " metre distancing at the chewck outs but yoiu must chosse a supermarket with not too many visitors - for instance the Coop and Migros at the station will probably be too crowded

Hello, and welcome soon to Geneva.

I agree with Paul:  if you’d like advice on shopping, why not start a new thread, mentioning inter alia the area where you will be living.

In any event, Geneva has plenty of supermarkets as well as “convenience” outlets (some of them open 24/24) so you won’t ever need to be hungry or thirsty.  However, prices do vary in con sequence.

Shopping for other goods is presently restricted but this will certainly return to normal as soon as the health considerations allow.

All the best,

R.

I am so grateful to all of you for bearing with my ignorance on this website and thank you so much for replying to my message, I will go ahead now and try to create a new thread. I hope to see you all soon in Geneva.