"we are all born sane .some remain so " samuel Beckett
So what is stronger
for exemple if it is between spending your time with a mad person
who is lots of fun versus a sane person who is dull but stable
which would you prefer?
If it is between working in a stable job or having lots of fun freelancing
and worrying what would it be ?
"we are all born sane .some remain so " samuel Beckett
So what is stronger
for exemple if it is between spending your time with a mad person
who is lots of fun versus a sane person who is dull but stable
which would you prefer?
If it is between working in a stable job or having lots of fun freelancing
and worrying what would it be ?
deux point
here is my answer
But what if you got to choose between the two extremes ?
what if stability and security versus wild unknown and fun is the choice?
Toga versus ties?
But what if you got to choose between the two extremes ?
what if stability and security versus wild unknown and fun is the choice?
Toga versus ties?
Ok between jung and freud ?
Freud definitly is more fun
is man a creature of rational thought or a beast?
Ok between jung and freud ?
Freud definitly is more fun
I agree with Star 
"we are all born sane .some remain so " samuel Beckett
So what is stronger
for exemple if it is between spending your time with a mad person
who is lots of fun versus a sane person who is dull but stable
which would you prefer?
If it is between working in a stable job or having lots of fun freelancing
and worrying what would it be ?
I'll choose a stable job and spending my time with a mad, scary man...
I'll choose a stable job and spending my time with a mad, scary man...
will do
but so far it has been
a mad scary job and a stable man
and sometimes
a mad scary job and a mad scary man 
will do
but so far it has been
a mad scary job and a stable man
and sometimes
a mad scary job and a mad scary man
I'll choose a stable job and spending my time with a mad, scary man...
Be careful what you wish for....
I had both and the two definitely do not go together...
Be careful what you wish for.... I had both and the two definitely do not go together...
but is madness attractive at least as a comic relief?
or should one strive towards a rational stable life?
a personal choice of course
so ...
but is madness attractive at least as a comic relief?
or should one strive towards a rational stable life?
a personal choice of course
so ...
ok
between dr jackel
and mr hide
will do
but so far it has been
a mad scary job and a stable man
and sometimes
a mad scary job and a mad scary man
Ouch, i'm so sorry Dear...
oh dont be sorry
it is fun
wednesday Adams idea about marriage
Adams family values
displays the conventional versus the alternative people
Adams family values
displays the conventional versus the alternative people
great sex... ideally not with a complete nutter, or the mornings become quite difficult and errr... silent.
great sex... ideally not with a complete nutter, or the mornings become quite difficult and errr... silent.
sounds irresistable charlie
do you throw in a chocolate chip cookie
or a migros budget cracker
in that deal ?
i'll be right over as soon as i finish the shock treatment at the freud institute
in about twenty five years
sounds irresistable charlie
do you throw in a chocolate chip cookie
or a migros budget cracker
in that deal ?
i'll be right over as soon as i finish the shock treatment at the freud institute
in about twenty five years
I say go with your gut feeling and don't be afraid to listen to it. in my view 'gut feeling' combines both constructs you're describing. So yes - in a way do as it feels. I don't think we have to juxtapose reason to emotions. They can work in harmony. I personally very rarely have felt that sanity is telling me one thing and insanity another thing - in other words, it's totally possible to want to do something and to know you should do the same thing.
I say go with your gut feeling and don't be afraid to listen to it. in my view 'gut feeling' combines both constructs you're describing. So yes - in a way do as it feels. I don't think we have to juxtapose reason to emotions. They can work in harmony. I personally very rarely have felt that sanity is telling me one thing and insanity another thing - in other words, it's totally possible to want to do something and to know you should do the same thing.
I would hope passion (morality/ethics) guided by reason (fact - taking into account the problem of knowledge - and logic). However when it comes to both, humankind is very much capable of convincing itself of the rationality of an act even though one knows at a conscious level it isn't so i.e. cognitive dissonance e.g. just one more drink for the road. So as an imperfect being I come back to passion guided by reason and caution while willing to take some risk (risk being defined differently by all) and trying to learn from the mistakes I make and trying to listen to another's point of view.
Star, you pose an interesting question which forces us to confront our own ideas, passions and intellect. Thx.
I would hope passion (morality/ethics) guided by reason (fact - taking into account the problem of knowledge - and logic). However when it comes to both, humankind is very much capable of convincing itself of the rationality of an act even though one knows at a conscious level it isn't so i.e. cognitive dissonance e.g. just one more drink for the road. So as an imperfect being I come back to passion guided by reason and caution while willing to take some risk (risk being defined differently by all) and trying to learn from the mistakes I make and trying to listen to another's point of view.
Star, you pose an interesting question which forces us to confront our own ideas, passions and intellect. Thx.
I must add the caveat that all the above depends on the time required to make the decision.
I must add the caveat that all the above depends on the time required to make the decision.
One must also add that sometimes passion arises from reason when reason/rationality is confronted with facts that ignite the passion. And where does the passion for reason/rationality come from? Is it inborn?
One must also add that sometimes passion arises from reason when reason/rationality is confronted with facts that ignite the passion. And where does the passion for reason/rationality come from? Is it inborn?
sounds irresistable charlie
do you throw in a chocolate chip cookie
or a migros budget cracker
in that deal ?
i'll be right over as soon as i finish the shock treatment at the freud institute
in about twenty five years
throw in????
wow never considered that great sex needed a "throw in", however I'd consider a whole chocolate brownie tray.... if thats whats needed.... i kinda viewed it as just a prerequisite for happy times.
throw in????
wow never considered that great sex needed a "throw in", however I'd consider a whole chocolate brownie tray.... if thats whats needed.... i kinda viewed it as just a prerequisite for happy times.
I think we need more concrete rules though the discussion is developing beautifully.
so here is charlie's nightmare date, the ultimate woman with baggage
Debbie from Adams family values
a woman who does not stop at brownies..
I think i am really trying to strip down the human mind to its components
i mean what is it that drives humanity ? rational or emotional processes?
one could say that emotions are also activated by a rational
probobly when the rational is only clear to the individual and it is not understood by the surrounding problems come up..
I want to apologize i was up late night posting holocaust videos and
i am really emotionally spent
also had one glass of wine but as marksist demonstrated so eloquently
in his youtubes,
jews cant drink
so my stomach is doing somersaults in mid air as i write
I think we need more concrete rules though the discussion is developing beautifully.
so here is charlie's nightmare date, the ultimate woman with baggage
Debbie from Adams family values
a woman who does not stop at brownies..
I think i am really trying to strip down the human mind to its components
i mean what is it that drives humanity ? rational or emotional processes?
one could say that emotions are also activated by a rational
probobly when the rational is only clear to the individual and it is not understood by the surrounding problems come up..
I want to apologize i was up late night posting holocaust videos and
i am really emotionally spent
also had one glass of wine but as marksist demonstrated so eloquently
in his youtubes,
jews cant drink
so my stomach is doing somersaults in mid air as i write
and i like the fool i am have always assumed the way to the heart went through the stomach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JPWQmuIxMs
and i like the fool i am have always assumed the way to the heart went through the stomach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JPWQmuIxMs
I have been reading "The Tibetian book of living and dying "
which has been very interesting .
so many of us live life in a blind way without trying to reach to higher consciousness and yet every time i encounter the eastern approach to consciousness i am confused as it is such a different approach to how to live
you life. They seem to see passion as a threat and a destructive force and try to live in a quiet meditative way.
David was right that it is important to see all the colors and not black and white but essentially i see that there is often a fork in the road and one must choose which way to go
a rational way or to go with a way that does not make sense by rational conclusion.
I find people can be classified by how they approach life
but of course there are all sorts of colors and ways
one way is to try to be physical like charlie and throw in some brownies
the other way is to try to deny the brownies and pleasure and seek
the pleasure of the brain in the jar , thinking without succombing to too much feeling
what a good comedy does is to try to show the absurdity in taking life too seriously
still the questions remain
I have been reading "The Tibetian book of living and dying "
which has been very interesting .
so many of us live life in a blind way without trying to reach to higher consciousness and yet every time i encounter the eastern approach to consciousness i am confused as it is such a different approach to how to live
you life. They seem to see passion as a threat and a destructive force and try to live in a quiet meditative way.
David was right that it is important to see all the colors and not black and white but essentially i see that there is often a fork in the road and one must choose which way to go
a rational way or to go with a way that does not make sense by rational conclusion.
I find people can be classified by how they approach life
but of course there are all sorts of colors and ways
one way is to try to be physical like charlie and throw in some brownies
the other way is to try to deny the brownies and pleasure and seek
the pleasure of the brain in the jar , thinking without succombing to too much feeling
what a good comedy does is to try to show the absurdity in taking life too seriously
still the questions remain
Comedy and jokes depiciting ethnic stereotypes are recognised by most as being silly and just that - a depiction of a stereotype. The decision to use such humour might be driven by passion to dispel stereotypes by displaying them in the clear light of day or by reason in thinking that the absurd representation of a whole ethnic group by one or a few so-called characteristics will make clear to the audience that such stereotypes are funny in their absurdity and lack of truth. Variety is the spice of life and to try to represent seriously - as some bigots do - an ethnic group as homogeneous tries to rob us of the pleasing, rewarding aspects of humankind's variety. Passion and reason at work, side by side.
BTW:
You're Canadian if:
The English Language
Have you ever wondered why foreigners have trouble with the English Language?
Let's face it
English is a stupid language.
There is no egg in the eggplant
No ham in the hamburger
And neither pine nor apple in the pineapple.
English muffins were not invented in England
French fries were not invented in France.
We sometimes take English for granted
But if we examine its paradoxes we find that
Quicksand takes you down slowly
Boxing rings are square
And a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.
If writers write, how come fingers don't fing.
If the plural of tooth is teeth
Shouldn't the plural of phone booth be phone beeth
If the teacher taught,
Why didn't the preacher praught.
If a vegetarian eats vegetables
What the heck does a humanitarian eat!?
Why do people recite at a play
Yet play at a recital?
Park on driveways and
Drive on parkways
You have to marvel at the unique lunacy
Of a language where a house can burn up as
It burns down
And in which you fill in a form
By filling it out
And a bell is only heard once it goes!
English was invented by people, not computers
And it reflects the creativity of the human race
(Which of course isn't a race at all)
That is why
When the stars are out they are visible
But when the lights are out they are invisible
And why it is that when I wind up my watch
It starts
But when I wind up this observation,
It ends.
Comedy and jokes depiciting ethnic stereotypes are recognised by most as being silly and just that - a depiction of a stereotype. The decision to use such humour might be driven by passion to dispel stereotypes by displaying them in the clear light of day or by reason in thinking that the absurd representation of a whole ethnic group by one or a few so-called characteristics will make clear to the audience that such stereotypes are funny in their absurdity and lack of truth. Variety is the spice of life and to try to represent seriously - as some bigots do - an ethnic group as homogeneous tries to rob us of the pleasing, rewarding aspects of humankind's variety. Passion and reason at work, side by side.
BTW:
You're Canadian if:
The English Language
Have you ever wondered why foreigners have trouble with the English Language?
Let's face it
English is a stupid language.
There is no egg in the eggplant
No ham in the hamburger
And neither pine nor apple in the pineapple.
English muffins were not invented in England
French fries were not invented in France.
We sometimes take English for granted
But if we examine its paradoxes we find that
Quicksand takes you down slowly
Boxing rings are square
And a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.
If writers write, how come fingers don't fing.
If the plural of tooth is teeth
Shouldn't the plural of phone booth be phone beeth
If the teacher taught,
Why didn't the preacher praught.
If a vegetarian eats vegetables
What the heck does a humanitarian eat!?
Why do people recite at a play
Yet play at a recital?
Park on driveways and
Drive on parkways
You have to marvel at the unique lunacy
Of a language where a house can burn up as
It burns down
And in which you fill in a form
By filling it out
And a bell is only heard once it goes!
English was invented by people, not computers
And it reflects the creativity of the human race
(Which of course isn't a race at all)
That is why
When the stars are out they are visible
But when the lights are out they are invisible
And why it is that when I wind up my watch
It starts
But when I wind up this observation,
It ends.
No clue how I ended up on browsing this thread, maybe 'cuz I'm experimenting with manifesting different intentions, doesn't really matter, post 32 is exactly what I needed. Thanx for sharing
No clue how I ended up on browsing this thread, maybe 'cuz I'm experimenting with manifesting different intentions, doesn't really matter, post 32 is exactly what I needed. Thanx for sharing
is man a creature of rational thought or a beast?
I am a rational beast, I like have my cake, and I end intend to eat it too.
I am a rational beast, I like have my cake, and I end intend to eat it too.
As per my previous post, I'm with Isabella on this one. The two are inextricably intertwined, and not two sides of a continuum.
To David: I believe there is nothing passive about passion. You decide, embrace it and - hell - celebrate it when passion drives you. Irrespective of what part of life we speak about - work, home, love, family, adventure, etc. Part of the definition speaks about this impossibility and lack of control. I think something else might be at play here. Which dictionary are we talking about? Negative connotations of passion sometimes carry a cultural and gender aspect.
Northern cultures tend to look down upon expression and spontaneity branding it as irrationality and lack of restraint and organization. Some even go as far to equate it to stupidity. Ask a Brazilian and a Norwegian if they think the words impulsive and emotional are positive or negative.
With regard to the gender aspect, at the work place you also hear men sometimes speaking about a woman branding her as 'emotional' meaning that she is not capable of professionalism. Again negative connotation contingent upon the audience and the context.
So, all in all, I passionately ask whose definition we are talking about, who wrote it and where.
As per my previous post, I'm with Isabella on this one. The two are inextricably intertwined, and not two sides of a continuum.
To David: I believe there is nothing passive about passion. You decide, embrace it and - hell - celebrate it when passion drives you. Irrespective of what part of life we speak about - work, home, love, family, adventure, etc. Part of the definition speaks about this impossibility and lack of control. I think something else might be at play here. Which dictionary are we talking about? Negative connotations of passion sometimes carry a cultural and gender aspect.
Northern cultures tend to look down upon expression and spontaneity branding it as irrationality and lack of restraint and organization. Some even go as far to equate it to stupidity. Ask a Brazilian and a Norwegian if they think the words impulsive and emotional are positive or negative.
With regard to the gender aspect, at the work place you also hear men sometimes speaking about a woman branding her as 'emotional' meaning that she is not capable of professionalism. Again negative connotation contingent upon the audience and the context.
So, all in all, I passionately ask whose definition we are talking about, who wrote it and where.
Just in case you all mean job, activity choices, too (I am surprised everyone has it figured out and only "doubts" about mmm, relationships).
I have tryed to follow my passion- to become an artist, and paint, and be "alternative". That was an unusual Spring in Milan and Summer in Rimini...
2 months after I was broke. True story.
It's better to follow "reasoning", instead.
Love choices: it's enough to be "nuts" enough (which is yourself, not sweetened) to avoid the wrong cookies put on the table.
Just in case you all mean job, activity choices, too (I am surprised everyone has it figured out and only "doubts" about mmm, relationships).
I have tryed to follow my passion- to become an artist, and paint, and be "alternative". That was an unusual Spring in Milan and Summer in Rimini...
2 months after I was broke. True story.
It's better to follow "reasoning", instead.
Love choices: it's enough to be "nuts" enough (which is yourself, not sweetened) to avoid the wrong cookies put on the table.
Just in case you all mean job, activity choices, too (I am surprised everyone has it figured out and only "doubts" about mmm, relationships).
I have tryed to follow my passion- to become an artist, and paint, and be "alternative". That was an unusual Spring in Milan and Summer in Rimini...
2 months after I was broke. True story.
It's better to follow "reasoning", instead.
Love choices: it's enough to be "nuts" enough (which is yourself, not sweetened) to avoid the wrong cookies put on the table.
You can follow your passion all you want, but you have to do it rationally if you want to do it for a living, there is a big difference from enjoying a hobby to making a living from something that makes you happy.
Looking back on my decision to follow my passion, I was lucky I was able to turn photography into a decent living. It took several years, an understanding spouse and sheer and utter luck and in the end, in order to make the money, I ended up back in the business I left to follow my passion, just doing another role. Twisted, right?
My advice to most people would be to like your job and love your hobbies. Had I followed that advice, I would be much wealthier, and I would have time on my evenings and weekends to enjoy taking pictures. I don't really have weekends anymore, but I love what I do so much that I don't really care. Maybe that's the trade off.
I have seen many expat 'businesses' come and go over the past 10 years here. Some people are really amazing to watch, they even have great ideas, but you know from the second you ask them simple business questions (such as, how much does it cost you to produce your product, or what are your services worth?) that they have no freaking clue what they are doing.
I don't mention this in relation to the above post, it's a simple observation. It's all well and good to enjoy something and to think you can survive from it, but you have to do your homework first.
Relationships are a different matter. Passion is a basic premise of most relationships, at the start. Later it becomes more relevant how you treat each other, how you give and take. A plant will not grow if you are always fussing with it, it needs some space and air and sun to flourish. It's the same with a partner, you both need space to be yourselves.
I always think of the movie Jerry Macquire, when someone says 'you complete me'. That's BS. You should already be complete in a relationship. You can't be running around to find that one person to fill the void in your life, that's no relationship, that's co-dependency.
In past relationships, women have told me that I should change if I love them. One has nothing to do with the other. I am who I am. I have changed over the years, but I don't change for others, I change for me. If someone has to change to be in a relationship then that is not the relationship for them.
Be passionate about who you are, what you are doing in life and share that passion with others. Someday, someone will come along and notice the person you are. It all about being yourself really.
You can follow your passion all you want, but you have to do it rationally if you want to do it for a living, there is a big difference from enjoying a hobby to making a living from something that makes you happy.
Looking back on my decision to follow my passion, I was lucky I was able to turn photography into a decent living. It took several years, an understanding spouse and sheer and utter luck and in the end, in order to make the money, I ended up back in the business I left to follow my passion, just doing another role. Twisted, right?
My advice to most people would be to like your job and love your hobbies. Had I followed that advice, I would be much wealthier, and I would have time on my evenings and weekends to enjoy taking pictures. I don't really have weekends anymore, but I love what I do so much that I don't really care. Maybe that's the trade off.
I have seen many expat 'businesses' come and go over the past 10 years here. Some people are really amazing to watch, they even have great ideas, but you know from the second you ask them simple business questions (such as, how much does it cost you to produce your product, or what are your services worth?) that they have no freaking clue what they are doing.
I don't mention this in relation to the above post, it's a simple observation. It's all well and good to enjoy something and to think you can survive from it, but you have to do your homework first.
Relationships are a different matter. Passion is a basic premise of most relationships, at the start. Later it becomes more relevant how you treat each other, how you give and take. A plant will not grow if you are always fussing with it, it needs some space and air and sun to flourish. It's the same with a partner, you both need space to be yourselves.
I always think of the movie Jerry Macquire, when someone says 'you complete me'. That's BS. You should already be complete in a relationship. You can't be running around to find that one person to fill the void in your life, that's no relationship, that's co-dependency.
In past relationships, women have told me that I should change if I love them. One has nothing to do with the other. I am who I am. I have changed over the years, but I don't change for others, I change for me. If someone has to change to be in a relationship then that is not the relationship for them.
Be passionate about who you are, what you are doing in life and share that passion with others. Someday, someone will come along and notice the person you are. It all about being yourself really.
sorry if I got off track there, I was rambling
deux point
here is my answer
Wee, I recognise myself in teh video...
In each of 3.
"If i have to be seen with you there^s going to have to be certain changes"
"you shouldnt be married you should be studied"
Very good point
I love the courage of that woman to speak her mind
SHE IS MY HERO
"If i have to be seen with you there^s going to have to be certain changes"
"you shouldnt be married you should be studied"
Very good point
I love the courage of that woman to speak her mind
SHE IS MY HERO
sometimes being irrational is the rational conclusion
sometimes being irrational is the rational conclusion
He says:
Baby, if you think you're shy,
do me a favor honey, go some place and hide LOL
Yeah baby I like it like that ...
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He says:
Baby, if you think you're shy,
do me a favor honey, go some place and hide LOL
Yeah baby I like it like that ...
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A great one
i will replay in the morning instead of coffee
thank you Ivet
here is an oldie by Dean Martin, some called him Dean Martini
i heard tonight in starbucks with my daughter
it reminded me of my old dad, the same elegant style of that time
......."Everybody loves somebody sometime"
"there's no telling where love may appear
something in my heart keeps saying
that some place is here
if i had in my power
i ^d arrange for every girl to have your chance
then every minute every hour
every boy will find what i have found in your arms
everybody loves somebody sometimes
although my dreams were overdue
your love made it well worth waiting for
somebody like you
everybody loves somebody sometime"
everybody loves somebody
and i love all of you
so good night
A great one
i will replay in the morning instead of coffee
thank you Ivet
here is an oldie by Dean Martin, some called him Dean Martini
i heard tonight in starbucks with my daughter
it reminded me of my old dad, the same elegant style of that time
......."Everybody loves somebody sometime"
"there's no telling where love may appear
something in my heart keeps saying
that some place is here
if i had in my power
i ^d arrange for every girl to have your chance
then every minute every hour
every boy will find what i have found in your arms
everybody loves somebody sometimes
although my dreams were overdue
your love made it well worth waiting for
somebody like you
everybody loves somebody sometime"
everybody loves somebody
and i love all of you
so good night
