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I see that my good friend Rich has wickedly and without provocation, posted Morrissey songs to anotherwise helpful and excellent thread posted by one of my compatriots.


Hailing from the Land of the Free and the Home of the Slave -- oops, make that the Brave -- I consider the music of Mr. M. an affront to the ears and a crime against musical taste.


In lieu of reporting Rich to the Glocals admin or further polluting the Geneva Survival Guide thread, I hereby open this thread with several choice salvos:


One anti-Morrissey song, followed by a Rubberbandits' ditty...

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I see that my good friend Rich has wickedly and without provocation, posted Morrissey songs to anotherwise helpful and excellent thread posted by one of my compatriots.


Hailing from the Land of the Free and the Home of the Slave -- oops, make that the Brave -- I consider the music of Mr. M. an affront to the ears and a crime against musical taste.


In lieu of reporting Rich to the Glocals admin or further polluting the Geneva Survival Guide thread, I hereby open this thread with several choice salvos:


One anti-Morrissey song, followed by a Rubberbandits' ditty...


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I'm afraid the master divides us into lovers or haters.You are sadly the latter group.I can only whine and feel morose on your behalf!!

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I'm afraid the master divides us into lovers or haters.You are sadly the latter group.I can only whine and feel morose on your behalf!!


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I see that my good friend Rich has wickedly and without provocation, posted Morrissey songs to anotherwise helpful and excellent thread posted by one of my compatriots.

Hailing from the Land of the Free and the Home of the Slave -- oops, make that the Brave -- I consider the music of Mr. M. an affront to the ears and a crime against musical taste.

In lieu of reporting Rich to the Glocals admin or further polluting the Geneva Survival Guide thread, I hereby open this thread with several choice salvos:

One anti-Morrissey song, followed by a Rubberbandits' ditty...


Jun 4, 13 19:06

Whoops! My bad! I was just checking out songs that were depressing and making a suitable soundtrack to read that thread about "Surviving Geneva". I could have gone with Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" or Radiohead's "Exit Music" but as it was a Sunday when I posted that, I thought “Everyday is Like Sunday” could be appropriate along with “Heaven Knows I miserable now”. 


Stupidly I forgot to check out in depth comments they made in the press over the last 20 years relating to racism, human rights, etc, etc. Sorry about that. Laughing


I’m just glad you haven’t clocked I’m going to see the Shakespeare* play, “The Taming of the Shrew” this weekend which given it glorifies keeping women down and is an anathema to feminism was clearly scribbled by a penis-wielding oppressor!


As I’m feeling generous, I thought I’d get the ball rolling for you with a few comments and quotes I’ve stolen off the internet to pass off as my own. Laughing


I believe this play can be sexist for a great deal of reasons. When given permission by Baptista to marry Kate, Pertuchio tries to “woo” Kate with many offensive terms. “Kate of Kate Hall, my super-dainty Kate” ( II, i,196) Pertuchio says “ My super-dainty Kate” as in she is his. He is saying that Kate is his possession , and is a thing, not a human. Pertuchio, a man of whom she has just met, is practically stalking Kate.


Another segment is while Pertuchio is attempting to woo Kate. He utters, “ Women are made to bear, and so are you.” (II, i, 211) This is very rude to Kate to as well as all women. Kate was being stubborn right before this quote, and Pertuchio did not like it. He raises his voice and bellows, “ Woman are made to bear, and so are you.” This is saying, that women were made only to conceive children. This is very insulting to the female gender. This explains how this play is sexist. (Especially Pertuchio.)


The Taming of the Shrew is a very sexist play.  The majority of the male characters in the work show their blatantly sexist characteristics by the words they say and by the way they treat the women in their lives.  A prime example of sexism is the relationship between Petruchio and Katharina.


 One of the first demonstrations of sexism by Petruchio in the work happens at a luncheon after he and Katharina's wedding.  At the luncheon, the two are both surrounded by family and friends of Katharina.  While this party is in their honor, Petruchio wants to leave immediately and does not acknowledge Katharina's protests.  "I will be master of what is mine own.  She is my goods, my chattels; she is my house, my household stuff, my field, my barn, my horse, my ox, my ass, my anything; and here she stands, touch her whoever dare."  This scene shows that Petruchio felt that he had dominion over Katharina and that she should do whatever he commanded.


Later in the play, the couple get into an argument over what time it was.  While this may seem a very rudimentary argument, for Petruchio it is more.  He sees this argument as a test of his manly dominion and will not back down, despite his obviously being wrong.  "Look what I speak, or do, or think to do, you are still crossing it.--Sirs, let't alone.  I will not go today, and ere I do, it shall be what o'clock I say it is."  Here, Petruchio practically states that his opinion is the only one that matters.  He openly disregards Katharina's statements and shows his disrespect for her and her opinions.

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Whoops! My bad! I was just checking out songs that were depressing and making a suitable soundtrack to read that thread about "Surviving Geneva". I could have gone with Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" or Radiohead's "Exit Music" but as it was a Sunday when I posted that, I thought “Everyday is Like Sunday” could be appropriate along with “Heaven Knows I miserable now”. 


Stupidly I forgot to check out in depth comments they made in the press over the last 20 years relating to racism, human rights, etc, etc. Sorry about that. Laughing


I’m just glad you haven’t clocked I’m going to see the Shakespeare* play, “The Taming of the Shrew” this weekend which given it glorifies keeping women down and is an anathema to feminism was clearly scribbled by a penis-wielding oppressor!


As I’m feeling generous, I thought I’d get the ball rolling for you with a few comments and quotes I’ve stolen off the internet to pass off as my own. Laughing


I believe this play can be sexist for a great deal of reasons. When given permission by Baptista to marry Kate, Pertuchio tries to “woo” Kate with many offensive terms. “Kate of Kate Hall, my super-dainty Kate” ( II, i,196) Pertuchio says “ My super-dainty Kate” as in she is his. He is saying that Kate is his possession , and is a thing, not a human. Pertuchio, a man of whom she has just met, is practically stalking Kate.


Another segment is while Pertuchio is attempting to woo Kate. He utters, “ Women are made to bear, and so are you.” (II, i, 211) This is very rude to Kate to as well as all women. Kate was being stubborn right before this quote, and Pertuchio did not like it. He raises his voice and bellows, “ Woman are made to bear, and so are you.” This is saying, that women were made only to conceive children. This is very insulting to the female gender. This explains how this play is sexist. (Especially Pertuchio.)


The Taming of the Shrew is a very sexist play.  The majority of the male characters in the work show their blatantly sexist characteristics by the words they say and by the way they treat the women in their lives.  A prime example of sexism is the relationship between Petruchio and Katharina.


 One of the first demonstrations of sexism by Petruchio in the work happens at a luncheon after he and Katharina's wedding.  At the luncheon, the two are both surrounded by family and friends of Katharina.  While this party is in their honor, Petruchio wants to leave immediately and does not acknowledge Katharina's protests.  "I will be master of what is mine own.  She is my goods, my chattels; she is my house, my household stuff, my field, my barn, my horse, my ox, my ass, my anything; and here she stands, touch her whoever dare."  This scene shows that Petruchio felt that he had dominion over Katharina and that she should do whatever he commanded.


Later in the play, the couple get into an argument over what time it was.  While this may seem a very rudimentary argument, for Petruchio it is more.  He sees this argument as a test of his manly dominion and will not back down, despite his obviously being wrong.  "Look what I speak, or do, or think to do, you are still crossing it.--Sirs, let't alone.  I will not go today, and ere I do, it shall be what o'clock I say it is."  Here, Petruchio practically states that his opinion is the only one that matters.  He openly disregards Katharina's statements and shows his disrespect for her and her opinions.


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Jun 5, 13 15:15

Cheers Karl. I was racking my brains to come up with a suitable summary for my Linkedin profile and I think you've pretty much nailed it for me. Laughing

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Cheers Karl. I was racking my brains to come up with a suitable summary for my Linkedin profile and I think you've pretty much nailed it for me. Laughing


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Cheers Karl. I was racking my brains to come up with a suitable summary for my Linkedin profile and I think you've pretty much nailed it for me. Laughing


Jun 5, 13 15:45

Your welcome ... its my summary too lol 

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Your welcome ... its my summary too lol 


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For make benefit those billions of people who've never heard of the second-greatest, living British icon...


On growing old: “Age shouldn’t affect you. You’re either marvellous or you’re boring, regardless of your age.”


I don't think he's racist as there's a good chance he hates everyone equally. That said, eventually he may move out of the UK to some place where there aren't as many foreigners. Undecided

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For make benefit those billions of people who've never heard of the second-greatest, living British icon...


On growing old: “Age shouldn’t affect you. You’re either marvellous or you’re boring, regardless of your age.”


I don't think he's racist as there's a good chance he hates everyone equally. That said, eventually he may move out of the UK to some place where there aren't as many foreigners. Undecided


Arun K V, Jun 5, 2013 @ 21:52
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