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Is this a fraud or a mistake? Two unconnected firms' bulltins de Versement use exactly the same account number.
Dec 22, 2013 @ 16:45

While paying my mothly bills with UBS online-banking, I noticed that two firms show exactly the same account number on their Orange Payment Slip - both accounts at Credit Suisse Geneva.


The first Bill is from Docteur Pascale Bang, and the second bill is from Sociéte Amoudruz SA (a drain cleaning company).  Their Orange payment slips both show that I should pay account number 01-2546-3 at Credit Suisse Geneva.  Both are bills that I was expecting for services so the invoices are genuine, but I am not sure about the Giro Versement (Orange Payslip) having the correct account number.


When I tried to enter the account number into the UBS online banking, it showed that this account number belongs to a completely different company - "SIMPLY CITY FORMATIONS SA of ROUTE DE CHENE 26B 1207 GENEVE", which is a Swiss Driving School.


What's going on?  Surely they are not all sharing the same bank account at Credit Suisse?

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While paying my mothly bills with UBS online-banking, I noticed that two firms show exactly the same account number on their Orange Payment Slip - both accounts at Credit Suisse Geneva.


The first Bill is from Docteur Pascale Bang, and the second bill is from Sociéte Amoudruz SA (a drain cleaning company).  Their Orange payment slips both show that I should pay account number 01-2546-3 at Credit Suisse Geneva.  Both are bills that I was expecting for services so the invoices are genuine, but I am not sure about the Giro Versement (Orange Payslip) having the correct account number.


When I tried to enter the account number into the UBS online banking, it showed that this account number belongs to a completely different company - "SIMPLY CITY FORMATIONS SA of ROUTE DE CHENE 26B 1207 GENEVE", which is a Swiss Driving School.


What's going on?  Surely they are not all sharing the same bank account at Credit Suisse?


Marcus TDec 22, 2013 @ 16:45
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Re: Is this a fraud or a mistake? Two unconnected firms' bulltins de Versement use exactly the same account number.
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Dec 22, 2013 @ 17:49

A quick Google of the account number, mentioned above brought up this Federal Express Bulletin de Versement which also seems to require payment to the same account number.



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A quick Google of the account number, mentioned above brought up this Federal Express Bulletin de Versement which also seems to require payment to the same account number.


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Dec 22, 2013 @ 17:54

 


The account number that you're refering to isn't your creditor's; it's Credit Suisse's postal account with La Poste.


 


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The account number that you're refering to isn't your creditor's; it's Credit Suisse's postal account with La Poste.


 


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Bertrand C, Dec 22, 2013 @ 17:54
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Dec 22, 2013 @ 18:01

Bertrand, thanks for the info.  What is your source for this?


Why wouldn't the creditor use his own account number on the Bulletin de versement? 


It seems daft to put the number of Credit Suisse's account at La Poste when the beneficiary presumably banks at Credit Suisse? 


If I wanted someone to pay me I would give them my own account number, or preferably my IBAN number.  I certainly wouldn't give them my bank's account number in another bank.  That's a recipe for the money to get lost.

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Bertrand, thanks for the info.  What is your source for this?


Why wouldn't the creditor use his own account number on the Bulletin de versement? 


It seems daft to put the number of Credit Suisse's account at La Poste when the beneficiary presumably banks at Credit Suisse? 


If I wanted someone to pay me I would give them my own account number, or preferably my IBAN number.  I certainly wouldn't give them my bank's account number in another bank.  That's a recipe for the money to get lost.


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Dec 22, 2013 @ 18:12

The reference number (the long string on the right) directs the funds where they need to go.  I've been paying factures like yours for four years and I've never had a problem (except for Microspot.ch which won't give you enough information to actually pay them).

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The reference number (the long string on the right) directs the funds where they need to go.  I've been paying factures like yours for four years and I've never had a problem (except for Microspot.ch which won't give you enough information to actually pay them).


richardm, Dec 22, 2013 @ 18:12
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Dec 22, 2013 @ 19:18

I confirm that Bertrand's and Richard's explanations are correct. The number is Credit Suisse's postal account number and not the postal account number of the people who addressed you the invoices. These people do not have an account at Postfinance, but at Credit Suisse. However, payments by means of a "bulletin de versement" are made via the postal account of CS. 


This was a good reaction to be careful. In Switzerland, there used to be scams made by a group called ZaïreConnection. 

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I confirm that Bertrand's and Richard's explanations are correct. The number is Credit Suisse's postal account number and not the postal account number of the people who addressed you the invoices. These people do not have an account at Postfinance, but at Credit Suisse. However, payments by means of a "bulletin de versement" are made via the postal account of CS. 


This was a good reaction to be careful. In Switzerland, there used to be scams made by a group called ZaïreConnection. 


Alexandre P, Dec 22, 2013 @ 19:18
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