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Hi GOLers,

Are there any Geneva based divorce lawyers out there who would be willing to give me some advice on how to proceed, in English preferably?

Was married in a Swiss civil ceremony so i'm hoping it won't be too complicated to "un-do"!?

Alternatively any 'not too expensive' recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Lulu

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Hi GOLers,

Are there any Geneva based divorce lawyers out there who would be willing to give me some advice on how to proceed, in English preferably?

Was married in a Swiss civil ceremony so i'm hoping it won't be too complicated to "un-do"!?

Alternatively any 'not too expensive' recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Lulu


LulubelleMay 10, 2007 @ 18:27
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...msg in your box, cheers... :-) J.
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speaks English French and German and of course knows how to deal with the situation very well. She helped me out 7 years ago...
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MarmarK, May 18, 2007 @ 14:01
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Was it what you expected ?

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If you still need one, here's an EXCELLENT divorce lawyer in Geneva:

Nicolas Mossaz nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch


Doesn't come cheap, but worth every cent. He's the only lawyer I met who speaks right to the point without wasting time, wants to find a quick solution, and is a general good guy. 

I've been through 4 lawyers, and a good one ain't easy to find.

In any case, good luck!

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If you still need one, here's an EXCELLENT divorce lawyer in Geneva:

Nicolas Mossaz nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch


Doesn't come cheap, but worth every cent. He's the only lawyer I met who speaks right to the point without wasting time, wants to find a quick solution, and is a general good guy. 

I've been through 4 lawyers, and a good one ain't easy to find.

In any case, good luck!


Nir Ofek, Sep 18, 2010 @ 20:25
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sure so far it has been a nightmare.  Can I have the name,


 

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sure so far it has been a nightmare.  Can I have the name,


 


lilac, Sep 18, 2010 @ 20:34
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Lilac: just emailed your glocals account. Bon chance!


 

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Nir Ofek, Sep 18, 2010 @ 21:07
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3 more quick pieces of advice based on my experience with divorce lawyers in Geneva:


1. Go with a lawyer that's responsive to you.
I've heard horror stories of lawyers who don't reply to their client for days, who are late for court hearings, etc. If you see your lawyer has little time for you, even if he/she is excellent, switch lawyers. 


2. Go with a lawyer you have a good gut feeling about. 
Chances are that for a few weeks you'll work very closely with this person, on things are super important. So try to bet on someone you feel good about and that you think you could come to trust. 


3. Go with a lawyer that is NOT the agressive type, especially if there are kids in the picture. 
Contrary to the movies, in real divorce cases (according to my limited experience) it's always better to try to find an amicable solution, 1000 times more so if there are kids in the picture. Involving a lawyer that's pushing you to be agressive will be counter-productive to reaching an amicable solution with the other parent. The courts understand this too, and will not penalise you for not being agressive. 


Good luck, 


Nir


 


 

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3 more quick pieces of advice based on my experience with divorce lawyers in Geneva:


1. Go with a lawyer that's responsive to you.
I've heard horror stories of lawyers who don't reply to their client for days, who are late for court hearings, etc. If you see your lawyer has little time for you, even if he/she is excellent, switch lawyers. 


2. Go with a lawyer you have a good gut feeling about. 
Chances are that for a few weeks you'll work very closely with this person, on things are super important. So try to bet on someone you feel good about and that you think you could come to trust. 


3. Go with a lawyer that is NOT the agressive type, especially if there are kids in the picture. 
Contrary to the movies, in real divorce cases (according to my limited experience) it's always better to try to find an amicable solution, 1000 times more so if there are kids in the picture. Involving a lawyer that's pushing you to be agressive will be counter-productive to reaching an amicable solution with the other parent. The courts understand this too, and will not penalise you for not being agressive. 


Good luck, 


Nir


 


 


Nir Ofek, Sep 19, 2010 @ 11:43
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Thank you !

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Thank you !


lilac, Sep 19, 2010 @ 13:48
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If you still need one, here's an EXCELLENT divorce lawyer in Geneva:

Nicolas Mossaz nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch

Doesn't come cheap, but worth every cent. He's the only lawyer I met who speaks right to the point without wasting time, wants to find a quick solution, and is a general good guy. 

I've been through 4 lawyers, and a good one ain't easy to find.

In any case, good luck!


Sep 18, 10 20:25

Hi Nir,


 


Can you send the info on this lawyer to my inbox?


 


Regards Ken

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Can you send the info on this lawyer to my inbox?


 


Regards Ken


kenster, Nov 21, 2010 @ 15:45
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Ken:


Done. 


Nir

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Done. 


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Nir Ofek, Nov 21, 2010 @ 15:49
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Is this ken or Nir ?

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lilac, Nov 21, 2010 @ 19:47
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Hi

I am in need of the same info as above. Can anybody inbox me info! Thanks for the help.
N
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I am in need of the same info as above. Can anybody inbox me info! Thanks for the help.
N
Nicola J, Nov 18, 2011 @ 08:16
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I can chat later and share my experience. I have to go to court now.


 


My email is tillechloe@yahoo.com

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I can chat later and share my experience. I have to go to court now.


 


My email is tillechloe@yahoo.com


lilac, Nov 18, 2011 @ 08:30
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Wouldn't this be the perfect theme for and upcoming party? :)  Good luck!

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kutyafal, Nov 18, 2011 @ 09:49
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So your divorce is OK ?

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lilac, Nov 18, 2011 @ 23:39
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Hey Nir !


How do I remove this post ?

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Hey Nir !


How do I remove this post ?


lilac, Jul 23, 2012 @ 12:21
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hi saw your post refdivorce lawyer . can you give me their deatails


Thanks

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Lynn, Nov 7, 2012 @ 12:39
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MIKE HORNUNG


Place du Bourg-de-Four 9 


1204 Genève



téléphone

+41 (0) 22 311 35 35



fax

+41 (0) 22 311 35 00



e-mail

info@mikehornung.ch


 


Speaks English , French Spanish and others...

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MIKE HORNUNG


Place du Bourg-de-Four 9 


1204 Genève



téléphone

+41 (0) 22 311 35 35



fax

+41 (0) 22 311 35 00



e-mail

info@mikehornung.ch


 


Speaks English , French Spanish and others...


Charlie, Nov 7, 2012 @ 16:12
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And If you live in Canton of Vaud -I know a very good female lawyer!

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Maybritt R, Nov 7, 2012 @ 17:48
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In Switzerland you can have a do-it-yourself divorce for just a few hundred francs


Worked a treat for me.


both sides must fully agree on (almost) everything.


Application must be in French but you can buy the template on the Internet at divorce dot ch.  You may also find it for free by googling. 


 

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In Switzerland you can have a do-it-yourself divorce for just a few hundred francs


Worked a treat for me.


both sides must fully agree on (almost) everything.


Application must be in French but you can buy the template on the Internet at divorce dot ch.  You may also find it for free by googling. 


 


Marcus T, Nov 8, 2012 @ 20:05
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If you still need one, here's an EXCELLENT divorce lawyer in Geneva:

Nicolas Mossaz nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch

Doesn't come cheap, but worth every cent. He's the only lawyer I met who speaks right to the point without wasting time, wants to find a quick solution, and is a general good guy. 

I've been through 4 lawyers, and a good one ain't easy to find.

In any case, good luck!


Sep 18, 10 20:25

Hi Nir,


Do you still have the details? I need someone who knows what they are doing, even if the advice doesn't come cheap.


Rgds


David

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Do you still have the details? I need someone who knows what they are doing, even if the advice doesn't come cheap.


Rgds


David


David Lloyd, Jan 7, 2013 @ 15:50
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Hi Nir,

Do you still have the details? I need someone who knows what they are doing, even if the advice doesn't come cheap.

Rgds

David


Jan 7, 13 15:50

David...


See my post above... Mike Hornung speaks English very well.


If youre resident in Geneva you will need a Gve based lawyer...ditto for vaud you'll need a vaudois one.


Good luck with it all....

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David...


See my post above... Mike Hornung speaks English very well.


If youre resident in Geneva you will need a Gve based lawyer...ditto for vaud you'll need a vaudois one.


Good luck with it all....


Charlie, Jan 7, 2013 @ 16:56
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This is really sad to see how many people have replied to this thread because they also needed a divorce lawyer. :(

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This is really sad to see how many people have replied to this thread because they also needed a divorce lawyer. :(


Noemi M, Jan 7, 2013 @ 16:57
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Noemi:


Sad indeed, and what you see on the forum is the tip of the iceberg. Each week I get 2-3 emails in my glocals inbox from folks asking abouit divorce lawyers in Geneva.


Been there done that, it ain't nothing nice.


 

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Noemi:


Sad indeed, and what you see on the forum is the tip of the iceberg. Each week I get 2-3 emails in my glocals inbox from folks asking abouit divorce lawyers in Geneva.


Been there done that, it ain't nothing nice.


 


Nir Ofek, Jan 7, 2013 @ 17:47
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 Etude de Me Stéphane REY


3, rue Michel-Chauvet CH - 1208 Genève

Tél: +41 (0)22.328.26.64 - Fax: +41 (0)22.328.26.65

Natel 079 227 99 99

Website: www.rey-avocat-geneve.ch E-mail: rey@rey-avocat-geneve.ch

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 Etude de Me Stéphane REY


3, rue Michel-Chauvet CH - 1208 Genève

Tél: +41 (0)22.328.26.64 - Fax: +41 (0)22.328.26.65

Natel 079 227 99 99

Website: www.rey-avocat-geneve.ch E-mail: rey@rey-avocat-geneve.ch


Aharon Gottlieb Bodmer, Jan 7, 2013 @ 18:46
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Not to judge anyone but I think it's really sad how too many people just let love slip away instead of working to consolidate it. And what a terrible consequence it has on the next generations. :(

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Not to judge anyone but I think it's really sad how too many people just let love slip away instead of working to consolidate it. And what a terrible consequence it has on the next generations. :(


Noemi M, Jan 7, 2013 @ 20:58
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Noemi,


You are judging, but it is easy to until you get to that point yourself.

We all must remember, marriages have two people.   If one person works to consolidate and not the other, it won't work.   And no, it doesn't have to be a terrible consequence for the next generation.  Many kids are happier once their unhappy parents split.


 

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Noemi,


You are judging, but it is easy to until you get to that point yourself.

We all must remember, marriages have two people.   If one person works to consolidate and not the other, it won't work.   And no, it doesn't have to be a terrible consequence for the next generation.  Many kids are happier once their unhappy parents split.


 


Michelle W, Jan 7, 2013 @ 23:38
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Nothing, with pleasure, I hope this will be as effective lawyer with you it was for me!

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Nothing, with pleasure, I hope this will be as effective lawyer with you it was for me!


Aharon Gottlieb Bodmer, Jan 8, 2013 @ 09:33
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Noemi, I tell you how easy it is. A guy who lives in Nyon lets name him Rick moved to Switzerland about a year ago. He got a job in one company to be consultant. He use to be according to the information... everyone is holding... very good and lovely guy who have been engaged to a girl in Ireland for about few years And their relationship was about 9 years long. Wedding day was suppose to happen on 25th of January 2013. What happen?? BOOOOOM August 18th he met ME, found me attractive but I guess he had A PLAN to just enjoy good time and "singlehood" while his girlfriend was in Ireland. Well it lasted for about 4 months, everything was great. He told me he is 36 years old South-African and he moved to Ireland when he was 10 years old with his parents, his mother lives in South- Africa but dad past a way some years back. And I am THE ONLY GIRL he was seeing, he even said we are exclusive.


Truth is, he is 40 years old blooody nigerian (but his accent is not as strong as most nigerians have) and also he was able to speaks some africaans therefore I could not tell he was talking BS! He moved to Ireland about 10 years ago when he got a job there, his both parents are death and he lied to me all this time. And it all ended thanx to two reasons, one was his girlfriend got my number from his phone.. we spoke and I told her the truth (why should I lie, am nt him). So there will be no wedding and he is loosing everything! I must say I am happy I got my revenge on him! I feel sorry for his ex girlfriend! I feel sorry for my self but I don´t feel sorry to this Rick Brick D**k. This is how easy is to get to brake up and divorce... temptation sometimes gets bigger then anything else.

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Noemi, I tell you how easy it is. A guy who lives in Nyon lets name him Rick moved to Switzerland about a year ago. He got a job in one company to be consultant. He use to be according to the information... everyone is holding... very good and lovely guy who have been engaged to a girl in Ireland for about few years And their relationship was about 9 years long. Wedding day was suppose to happen on 25th of January 2013. What happen?? BOOOOOM August 18th he met ME, found me attractive but I guess he had A PLAN to just enjoy good time and "singlehood" while his girlfriend was in Ireland. Well it lasted for about 4 months, everything was great. He told me he is 36 years old South-African and he moved to Ireland when he was 10 years old with his parents, his mother lives in South- Africa but dad past a way some years back. And I am THE ONLY GIRL he was seeing, he even said we are exclusive.


Truth is, he is 40 years old blooody nigerian (but his accent is not as strong as most nigerians have) and also he was able to speaks some africaans therefore I could not tell he was talking BS! He moved to Ireland about 10 years ago when he got a job there, his both parents are death and he lied to me all this time. And it all ended thanx to two reasons, one was his girlfriend got my number from his phone.. we spoke and I told her the truth (why should I lie, am nt him). So there will be no wedding and he is loosing everything! I must say I am happy I got my revenge on him! I feel sorry for his ex girlfriend! I feel sorry for my self but I don´t feel sorry to this Rick Brick D**k. This is how easy is to get to brake up and divorce... temptation sometimes gets bigger then anything else.


Merike, Jan 8, 2013 @ 09:42
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Well you avoid for this woman, one miserable marriage!

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Well you avoid for this woman, one miserable marriage!


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Yes I did and I hope if I ever am in same situation like her, someone would tell me the truth. I give what I wish to get!

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Yes I did and I hope if I ever am in same situation like her, someone would tell me the truth. I give what I wish to get!


Merike, Jan 8, 2013 @ 10:27
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 Etude de Me Stéphane REY

3, rue Michel-Chauvet CH - 1208 Genève

Tél: +41 (0)22.328.26.64 - Fax: +41 (0)22.328.26.65

Natel 079 227 99 99

Website: www.rey-avocat-geneve.ch E-mail: rey@rey-avocat-geneve.ch


Jan 7, 13 18:46

I suppose you're joking, this 'laywer' is not serious!

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Jack B, Jan 8, 2013 @ 11:28
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I suppose you're joking, this 'laywer' is not serious!


Jan 8, 13 11:28

Sorry, I mean 'lawyer'!

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Sorry, I mean 'lawyer'!


Jack B, Jan 8, 2013 @ 11:34
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You had a bad experience with it? for me its been pretty good to ..

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Bettina Fleischmann


Bettina.fleischmann@bmglaw.ch


0228394949


She worked 10 years for ZPG, wich is one of the biggest law firm in Geneva. She solved very big and complicated divorce, now she works for BMG wich is more specialised in administrative law but she still accept client for divorce.


Good luck.


 

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0228394949


She worked 10 years for ZPG, wich is one of the biggest law firm in Geneva. She solved very big and complicated divorce, now she works for BMG wich is more specialised in administrative law but she still accept client for divorce.


Good luck.


 


Tryky, Jan 8, 2013 @ 11:49
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You had a bad experience with it? for me its been pretty good to ..


Jan 8, 13 11:45

That was a few years ago, maybe he improved himself since.

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Noemi,

You are judging, but it is easy to until you get to that point yourself.

We all must remember, marriages have two people.   If one person works to consolidate and not the other, it won't work.   And no, it doesn't have to be a terrible consequence for the next generation.  Many kids are happier once their unhappy parents split.

 


Jan 7, 13 23:38

I'm sorry to see that you seemed to take my comment personnaly... But as said, I'm not judgin individual situations, just underlining global facts. Truth is, a vaste majority of couples separate for the reasons that I mentioned... Wheter it is one partner or both in the couple that induced that situation.


About the consequences on the next generation, too often they end up being collateral damage in the separation and no matter how much they are loved by their parents, there are consequences on them, always.

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I'm sorry to see that you seemed to take my comment personnaly... But as said, I'm not judgin individual situations, just underlining global facts. Truth is, a vaste majority of couples separate for the reasons that I mentioned... Wheter it is one partner or both in the couple that induced that situation.


About the consequences on the next generation, too often they end up being collateral damage in the separation and no matter how much they are loved by their parents, there are consequences on them, always.


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Noemi,


I don't know where you get the data that the majority of couples don't work hard enough on their love. I do know tho that of the divorced people I know, 100% of people tried very very hard to make things work, and only cut the chain when all other options were tried.


I don't think anyone took your comment personally, but your comment is just a general comment which doesn't make sense.


Nir

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Noemi,


I don't know where you get the data that the majority of couples don't work hard enough on their love. I do know tho that of the divorced people I know, 100% of people tried very very hard to make things work, and only cut the chain when all other options were tried.


I don't think anyone took your comment personally, but your comment is just a general comment which doesn't make sense.


Nir


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In French speaking Switzerland the divorce rate is between 43% and 53% of marriages... up from the 13% it was in the 1970's.


If the trend continues only slightly more, then it is the "happily married" couples that will be the statistical anomoly and potentially frowned upon section of society in the future.


In the meantime, I think that it is clear and indesputable that a child is better off with the ideal of two loving and caring parents in a strong and loving family enivornment. However it can also be argued that children are also better off in a divorced family where both parents are happy, than in a family environment that is surrounded by fear, hatred, disorder and loathing. As society is becoming more accepting of separated and divorced families, so are the children, so I think the long term affects / consequences are no longer as dramatic as we previously thought they might be.

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In French speaking Switzerland the divorce rate is between 43% and 53% of marriages... up from the 13% it was in the 1970's.


If the trend continues only slightly more, then it is the "happily married" couples that will be the statistical anomoly and potentially frowned upon section of society in the future.


In the meantime, I think that it is clear and indesputable that a child is better off with the ideal of two loving and caring parents in a strong and loving family enivornment. However it can also be argued that children are also better off in a divorced family where both parents are happy, than in a family environment that is surrounded by fear, hatred, disorder and loathing. As society is becoming more accepting of separated and divorced families, so are the children, so I think the long term affects / consequences are no longer as dramatic as we previously thought they might be.


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What you say about the consequences on the children is true but there is more to it than just the immediate consequence of seeing their parents slip up. As you mention, the increased number of divorces has caused the existence of a generation who mostly doen't believe in happily ever after anymore (therefore more likely to jump from one relationship to another instead of committing to just one). Plus, a lot of parents suffer from the guilt from the separation so change behaviour towards their children and are often in a competition to be the "cooler" parent, so if you ask any teacher in primary school, they will tell you that more and more kids are becoming really diffucult to handle and that most of the children under 10 have already seen a therapist at least once...


Well I'm not going to go on and ramble about this... My initial comment was just to say  how sad this is and I personaly do not like where our society is headed (on this topic anyway).

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What you say about the consequences on the children is true but there is more to it than just the immediate consequence of seeing their parents slip up. As you mention, the increased number of divorces has caused the existence of a generation who mostly doen't believe in happily ever after anymore (therefore more likely to jump from one relationship to another instead of committing to just one). Plus, a lot of parents suffer from the guilt from the separation so change behaviour towards their children and are often in a competition to be the "cooler" parent, so if you ask any teacher in primary school, they will tell you that more and more kids are becoming really diffucult to handle and that most of the children under 10 have already seen a therapist at least once...


Well I'm not going to go on and ramble about this... My initial comment was just to say  how sad this is and I personaly do not like where our society is headed (on this topic anyway).


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Noemi, I tell you how easy it is. A guy who lives in Nyon lets name him Rick moved to Switzerland about a year ago. He got a job in one company to be consultant. He use to be according to the information... everyone is holding... very good and lovely guy who have been engaged to a girl in Ireland for about few years And their relationship was about 9 years long. Wedding day was suppose to happen on 25th of January 2013. What happen?? BOOOOOM August 18th he met ME, found me attractive but I guess he had A PLAN to just enjoy good time and "singlehood" while his girlfriend was in Ireland. Well it lasted for about 4 months, everything was great. He told me he is 36 years old South-African and he moved to Ireland when he was 10 years old with his parents, his mother lives in South- Africa but dad past a way some years back. And I am THE ONLY GIRL he was seeing, he even said we are exclusive.

Truth is, he is 40 years old blooody nigerian (but his accent is not as strong as most nigerians have) and also he was able to speaks some africaans therefore I could not tell he was talking BS! He moved to Ireland about 10 years ago when he got a job there, his both parents are death and he lied to me all this time. And it all ended thanx to two reasons, one was his girlfriend got my number from his phone.. we spoke and I told her the truth (why should I lie, am nt him). So there will be no wedding and he is loosing everything! I must say I am happy I got my revenge on him! I feel sorry for his ex girlfriend! I feel sorry for my self but I don´t feel sorry to this Rick Brick D**k. This is how easy is to get to brake up and divorce... temptation sometimes gets bigger then anything else.


Jan 8, 13 09:42

Did you not notice he was Nigerian when you met him face to face? Undecided

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Did you not notice he was Nigerian when you met him face to face? Undecided


Jan 8, 13 15:49

if I would, would you be reading this story here?

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Did you not notice he was Nigerian when you met him face to face? Undecided


Jan 8, 13 15:49

Easy mistake Oonagh. Someone called 'Goodluck O'Shaughnessy' would take anyone in! Laughing

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Easy mistake Oonagh. Someone called 'Goodluck O'Shaughnessy' would take anyone in! Laughing


Jan 8, 13 16:45

Rich Obejoyeful from Nyon? .... you're a scoundrel, so you are!

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Rich Obejoyeful from Nyon? .... you're a scoundrel, so you are!


Jan 8, 13 16:49

Please note the similarity of names of 'Rich Brick Dick' from Nyon and Rich from Nyon are purely co-incidental. At no point has Rich ever been Nigerian or found attractive by any woman. Thank you. Laughing


 


 

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Please note the similarity of names of 'Rich Brick Dick' from Nyon and Rich from Nyon are purely co-incidental. At no point has Rich ever been Nigerian or found attractive by any woman. Thank you. Laughing


 


 


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Rich Obejoyeful from Nyon? .... you're a scoundrel, so you are!


Jan 8, 13 16:49

hahahah, u Charlie :D

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I actually wrote Rick but i know Charlie sometimes dont see that well, especially at nights in clubs after 2 ;)

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I actually wrote Rick but i know Charlie sometimes dont see that well, especially at nights in clubs after 2 ;)


Jan 8, 13 17:09

Seems your eyesight ain't too brilliant, after dark, yourself!!

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Seems your eyesight ain't too brilliant, after dark, yourself!!


Jan 8, 13 17:19

ha ha verrrry funny you are, is that your hobby to be rude often to ppl you never met and know? ;)

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wow, some people need to divorce there Glocals forums, not nice here.


But on a strange point, there are so many people interested in gettng divorce lawyer after new years, Glocals should have a Glocals 'New years Divorce Party'?

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wow, some people need to divorce there Glocals forums, not nice here.


But on a strange point, there are so many people interested in gettng divorce lawyer after new years, Glocals should have a Glocals 'New years Divorce Party'?


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Sorry Merike - I've replied to you personally as I'm not into nit-picking cat-fights here on the forums, however that obviously wasn't enough, to let's look at just the facts as you portray them in your original post.  


(Please be assured that I'm actually taking your remark seriously, however I'm struggling to work out your "martyr to the moral high ground" tone).


So you met a guy who was engaged to be married this January (you even know the date, so I presume you knew each other fairly "intimately"); he's Irish/South African/Nigerian (still not sure on that one); you were "with him" for 4 months as his "exclusive girlfriend"; once you found out "he is 40 years old blooody nigerian" (charming to our Nigerian friends), you destroyed his relationship with his Irish girlfriend by telling her all the gory details of your affair (AFTER you got found out, so goodness knows how long it could have gone on); and you're thrilled to bits that you've ruined his life, probably ruined her life for a short while as well, caused the break up of his engagement and the cancellation of what could have been, a happy wedding.......


And you critisise me for making a joke about your eyesight?????Surprised

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Sorry Merike - I've replied to you personally as I'm not into nit-picking cat-fights here on the forums, however that obviously wasn't enough, to let's look at just the facts as you portray them in your original post.  


(Please be assured that I'm actually taking your remark seriously, however I'm struggling to work out your "martyr to the moral high ground" tone).


So you met a guy who was engaged to be married this January (you even know the date, so I presume you knew each other fairly "intimately"); he's Irish/South African/Nigerian (still not sure on that one); you were "with him" for 4 months as his "exclusive girlfriend"; once you found out "he is 40 years old blooody nigerian" (charming to our Nigerian friends), you destroyed his relationship with his Irish girlfriend by telling her all the gory details of your affair (AFTER you got found out, so goodness knows how long it could have gone on); and you're thrilled to bits that you've ruined his life, probably ruined her life for a short while as well, caused the break up of his engagement and the cancellation of what could have been, a happy wedding.......


And you critisise me for making a joke about your eyesight?????Surprised


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I NEVER KNEW IT BEFORE!! I never knew it before he had a girlfriend or wedding plans or what so ever, I got this information from his now ex girlfriend! And since that i never spoken to him again! So do you funny lady have anything else to say????

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I NEVER KNEW IT BEFORE!! I never knew it before he had a girlfriend or wedding plans or what so ever, I got this information from his now ex girlfriend! And since that i never spoken to him again! So do you funny lady have anything else to say????


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Merike, i am sorry that you experienced this trauma but in the end it really has nothing to do with this thread.  I asked this question after my relationship with "the One" broke down. We struggled for many years but the relationship was very destructive.  I think a lot of people who replied to this thread had similar experiences.


As it stands you just had a four month relationship with a guy that screwed you over.  It happens.  In your initial posts you did make out as if you knew about his relationship with the Irish girl. Probably a language issue but definitely not necessary to have evolved into this fight.


I think most people who get a divorce have had enough conflict.  Let's not bring more conflict into help threads like this. Can we tone it down ?

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Merike, i am sorry that you experienced this trauma but in the end it really has nothing to do with this thread.  I asked this question after my relationship with "the One" broke down. We struggled for many years but the relationship was very destructive.  I think a lot of people who replied to this thread had similar experiences.


As it stands you just had a four month relationship with a guy that screwed you over.  It happens.  In your initial posts you did make out as if you knew about his relationship with the Irish girl. Probably a language issue but definitely not necessary to have evolved into this fight.


I think most people who get a divorce have had enough conflict.  Let's not bring more conflict into help threads like this. Can we tone it down ?


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@carolyn how can you so completely miss what Merike was saying? Is it deliberate or something else?


Clearly Merike is retelling a story, with some emotion, and therefore not necessarily chronologically. So, let's put it in order, it's actually quite simple....


Merike met a man in August. He told her about himself - where he was from, why he came here, about his parents, etc. And he apparently said he was unattched in any way and that he was being exclusive with Merike.


Then, about four months later, Merike gets a phone call. Someone calling from Ireland. Probably asked "Who is this?" to which she said "You called me. Who are *you*?!" A bit of blubbering from both sides during which it is revealed "I'm his fiancée" and "I'm his girlfriend." Shock on both sides. (This would be the time that Merike learned about the lies that Rick told - country of origin, being unattached - as well as the impending wedding date.) Merike, in an act of sisterhood or just simple honesty, answers Ms. Ireland's questions which lead Ms. Ireland to call off the marriage, etc.


(They probably end up best of friends and attend each other's weddings in future years. And I'm sure Hugh Grant is floating around somewhere.)


So, then Oonagh and Carolyn (via "thanking") mock (?) Merike because she didn't *see* ("notice") he was from Nigeria? Are Nigerians and South Africans so easy to tell apart? Oh, wait, that's right. Everyone in S. Africa is white, right? Wait, no, that can't be right. Can it?


If I were to meet a black man who was from Africa, I would be unable to tell if he was from South Africa or Nigeria. I'd trust what he said until there was reason to believe otherwise.


I agree that Merike could have chosen better words than "blooody Nigerian," but I understood that it was more of a reaction to the fact that he lied, not that he's Nigerian. But, I could be wrong. Maybe I read it incorrectly.


Carolyn, by your logic (blaming Merike for ruining "what could have been, a happy wedding [sic]), it seems that Jyoti Singh Pandey was to blame for taking the bus.


Gimme a break.

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@carolyn how can you so completely miss what Merike was saying? Is it deliberate or something else?


Clearly Merike is retelling a story, with some emotion, and therefore not necessarily chronologically. So, let's put it in order, it's actually quite simple....


Merike met a man in August. He told her about himself - where he was from, why he came here, about his parents, etc. And he apparently said he was unattched in any way and that he was being exclusive with Merike.


Then, about four months later, Merike gets a phone call. Someone calling from Ireland. Probably asked "Who is this?" to which she said "You called me. Who are *you*?!" A bit of blubbering from both sides during which it is revealed "I'm his fiancée" and "I'm his girlfriend." Shock on both sides. (This would be the time that Merike learned about the lies that Rick told - country of origin, being unattached - as well as the impending wedding date.) Merike, in an act of sisterhood or just simple honesty, answers Ms. Ireland's questions which lead Ms. Ireland to call off the marriage, etc.


(They probably end up best of friends and attend each other's weddings in future years. And I'm sure Hugh Grant is floating around somewhere.)


So, then Oonagh and Carolyn (via "thanking") mock (?) Merike because she didn't *see* ("notice") he was from Nigeria? Are Nigerians and South Africans so easy to tell apart? Oh, wait, that's right. Everyone in S. Africa is white, right? Wait, no, that can't be right. Can it?


If I were to meet a black man who was from Africa, I would be unable to tell if he was from South Africa or Nigeria. I'd trust what he said until there was reason to believe otherwise.


I agree that Merike could have chosen better words than "blooody Nigerian," but I understood that it was more of a reaction to the fact that he lied, not that he's Nigerian. But, I could be wrong. Maybe I read it incorrectly.


Carolyn, by your logic (blaming Merike for ruining "what could have been, a happy wedding [sic]), it seems that Jyoti Singh Pandey was to blame for taking the bus.


Gimme a break.


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Heres my 10 cents worth....





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Nicola: well said.


Merike, Zonker: let's pls stop the discussion about Merike's story on this thread, as it doesn't belong here. If you want to open a separate thread about it, no prob.


Nir

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Nicola: well said.


Merike, Zonker: let's pls stop the discussion about Merike's story on this thread, as it doesn't belong here. If you want to open a separate thread about it, no prob.


Nir


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Nicola: well said.

Merike, Zonker: let's pls stop the discussion about Merike's story on this thread, as it doesn't belong here. If you want to open a separate thread about it, no prob.

Nir


Jan 8, 13 19:21

You're right Nir -but it was a surprise break from the long list of names,addresses and phone numbers - like a gang of hooligans bursting drunkenly across the stage of a serious drama.....Very entertaining

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Hey when is the Divorce party for the Hooligans bursting drunkenly accross the Glocals Stage?? I will sign up for this activity, im sure it could be a real commercial success.

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Hey Lulubelle,


You won't need too much legal advice - Basically the man has to give all his money to the woman. Easy peasy!! ;-)

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You won't need too much legal advice - Basically the man has to give all his money to the woman. Easy peasy!! ;-)


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This idea is too good to let slide.


I second Dave's proposal.


We have a cocktail evening and compare scars.  I will do the welcoming and give out badges. The badges will be colour coded as follows:


White = Over it, happy for my ex, moved on.


Pink = Moving on. Still a bit of scar tissue there but I'm getting there.


Black = Still feeling like I just got T Boned by a beer truck.


Yellow and Black = I'm still toxic. All men are bastards/women are bitches.


(Special one for men only) Candy stripe = Mid life crisis (Manopause) - Just bought a Porsche (Manoporsche), am dating a riduculously young and inappropriate girl half my age and have just bought a complete new set of furniture at Ikea. Had a new hair cut and am wearing trainer with jeans for the first time in 15 years - Rockin it while I wait for it to all come apart/wheels to fall off. 

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This idea is too good to let slide.


I second Dave's proposal.


We have a cocktail evening and compare scars.  I will do the welcoming and give out badges. The badges will be colour coded as follows:


White = Over it, happy for my ex, moved on.


Pink = Moving on. Still a bit of scar tissue there but I'm getting there.


Black = Still feeling like I just got T Boned by a beer truck.


Yellow and Black = I'm still toxic. All men are bastards/women are bitches.


(Special one for men only) Candy stripe = Mid life crisis (Manopause) - Just bought a Porsche (Manoporsche), am dating a riduculously young and inappropriate girl half my age and have just bought a complete new set of furniture at Ikea. Had a new hair cut and am wearing trainer with jeans for the first time in 15 years - Rockin it while I wait for it to all come apart/wheels to fall off. 


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Noemi, I tell you how easy it is. A guy who lives in Nyon lets name him Rick moved to Switzerland about a year ago. He got a job in one company to be consultant. He use to be according to the information... everyone is holding... very good and lovely guy who have been engaged to a girl in Ireland for about few years And their relationship was about 9 years long. Wedding day was suppose to happen on 25th of January 2013. What happen?? BOOOOOM August 18th he met ME, found me attractive but I guess he had A PLAN to just enjoy good time and "singlehood" while his girlfriend was in Ireland. Well it lasted for about 4 months, everything was great. He told me he is 36 years old South-African and he moved to Ireland when he was 10 years old with his parents, his mother lives in South- Africa but dad past a way some years back. And I am THE ONLY GIRL he was seeing, he even said we are exclusive.

Truth is, he is 40 years old blooody nigerian (but his accent is not as strong as most nigerians have) and also he was able to speaks some africaans therefore I could not tell he was talking BS! He moved to Ireland about 10 years ago when he got a job there, his both parents are death and he lied to me all this time. And it all ended thanx to two reasons, one was his girlfriend got my number from his phone.. we spoke and I told her the truth (why should I lie, am nt him). So there will be no wedding and he is loosing everything! I must say I am happy I got my revenge on him! I feel sorry for his ex girlfriend! I feel sorry for my self but I don´t feel sorry to this Rick Brick D**k. This is how easy is to get to brake up and divorce... temptation sometimes gets bigger then anything else.


Jan 8, 13 09:42

He wasn't one of those Nigerian Princes that email asking for a couple of hundred bucks to release his fortune was he?


 

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Jan 1, 70 01:00

Ouch....in that case you get a unicorn shaped badge in mother of pearl.

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Jan 1, 70 01:00

I guess we each have different experiences but the law as it stands is horrifically unblanaced.


At the moment a mother cna take her kids out of Switzerland and the father can't stop her.


The law presumes that the children will live with their mother.


If a mother does not want the father to have 50% custody the judge can not order her to.


The criteria for deciding how much the person who does not have the children (the father) needs is "What is the minimum this person needs to live" A few examples:


The father is entitles to CHF 80 per month towards public transport to and from work UNLESS hee has to travel more than 4 hours per day by public transport in which case he is allowed CHF 200 towards a car.


Person who has the kids does not have to work until the youngest kid is 10 and then they only have to work 50%. My lawyer told me that if I were a woman she would advise me to quit work straight away.


I could go on.


I don't want to start WWIII here (I am in 'pink badge' territory) but I think the way the law treats men it is not surprising some of them either bail or turnr in to $%£&s


I respect your opinion but I guess we each have our own individual experiences that shape our view.


 

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I guess we each have different experiences but the law as it stands is horrifically unblanaced.


At the moment a mother cna take her kids out of Switzerland and the father can't stop her.


The law presumes that the children will live with their mother.


If a mother does not want the father to have 50% custody the judge can not order her to.


The criteria for deciding how much the person who does not have the children (the father) needs is "What is the minimum this person needs to live" A few examples:


The father is entitles to CHF 80 per month towards public transport to and from work UNLESS hee has to travel more than 4 hours per day by public transport in which case he is allowed CHF 200 towards a car.


Person who has the kids does not have to work until the youngest kid is 10 and then they only have to work 50%. My lawyer told me that if I were a woman she would advise me to quit work straight away.


I could go on.


I don't want to start WWIII here (I am in 'pink badge' territory) but I think the way the law treats men it is not surprising some of them either bail or turnr in to $%£&s


I respect your opinion but I guess we each have our own individual experiences that shape our view.


 


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This idea is too good to let slide.

I second Dave's proposal.

We have a cocktail evening and compare scars.  I will do the welcoming and give out badges. The badges will be colour coded as follows:

White = Over it, happy for my ex, moved on.

Pink = Moving on. Still a bit of scar tissue there but I'm getting there.

Black = Still feeling like I just got T Boned by a beer truck.

Yellow and Black = I'm still toxic. All men are bastards/women are bitches.

(Special one for men only) Candy stripe = Mid life crisis (Manopause) - Just bought a Porsche (Manoporsche), am dating a riduculously young and inappropriate girl half my age and have just bought a complete new set of furniture at Ikea. Had a new hair cut and am wearing trainer with jeans for the first time in 15 years - Rockin it while I wait for it to all come apart/wheels to fall off. 


Jan 11, 13 17:26

Jeez Max...you described me completely in your last paragraph...except I had to give the porsche to the ex.... and am too broke to go to a bar...although the free badge sounds like a bargain.

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Jeez Max...you described me completely in your last paragraph...except I had to give the porsche to the ex.... and am too broke to go to a bar...although the free badge sounds like a bargain.


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On second thoughts I probably just need a black permanent marker to write "Tw@" on my forehead....


 


...I've done this twice.....


(What an Idiot)

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...I've done this twice.....


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well, on the basis of all the helpful advice and information i have received here i've decided the best thing to do is quit work and live on the street, as i'll probably be better off that way.


meanwhile, i'm sure the UK governemnt will take care of my wife and she can continue to live in our house


many thanks to all


 

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well, on the basis of all the helpful advice and information i have received here i've decided the best thing to do is quit work and live on the street, as i'll probably be better off that way.


meanwhile, i'm sure the UK governemnt will take care of my wife and she can continue to live in our house


many thanks to all


 


David Lloyd, Jan 11, 2013 @ 18:26
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Holy crap!


You know what TB - you've hit the nail on the thumb!  I think there is an issue with lawyers here. They are happy to offer advice that results in the two parties dukeing it out until they're bled dry.


I heard about a couple that had a chalet, a villa and a yacht. At the end of their paticular blood bath they had to sell all their assets in order to pay their lawyers. They both walked away with nothing.


I sent a lawyer here a file for a civil suit in which I detailed everything chronologically with accompanying emails. The lawyer said "You have a cast iron case here." I paid a CHF 1'000 retainer and was then told "actually you are time barred for this particular type of claim....and you owe us an extra CHF 800."


Well I think I'm going to go ahead and organise this divorce night and we can compare scars ;-)


Have a good weekend.

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Holy crap!


You know what TB - you've hit the nail on the thumb!  I think there is an issue with lawyers here. They are happy to offer advice that results in the two parties dukeing it out until they're bled dry.


I heard about a couple that had a chalet, a villa and a yacht. At the end of their paticular blood bath they had to sell all their assets in order to pay their lawyers. They both walked away with nothing.


I sent a lawyer here a file for a civil suit in which I detailed everything chronologically with accompanying emails. The lawyer said "You have a cast iron case here." I paid a CHF 1'000 retainer and was then told "actually you are time barred for this particular type of claim....and you owe us an extra CHF 800."


Well I think I'm going to go ahead and organise this divorce night and we can compare scars ;-)


Have a good weekend.


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Jeez Max...you described me completely in your last paragraph...except I had to give the porsche to the ex.... and am too broke to go to a bar...although the free badge sounds like a bargain.


Jan 11, 13 18:06

[Patting the empty bar stool next to me]


Come on soldier, sit down and tell me all about it.


Big Hugs fella ;-)

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Tea:


As far as I know, the "automatic joint-custody" law didn't yet pass the final approval, and is not in effect. Does anyone know different?


Here's the last update about it that I could find:


Joint custody in Switzerland new law

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Tea:


As far as I know, the "automatic joint-custody" law didn't yet pass the final approval, and is not in effect. Does anyone know different?


Here's the last update about it that I could find:


Joint custody in Switzerland new law


Nir Ofek, Jan 11, 2013 @ 19:08
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well, on the basis of all the helpful advice and information i have received here i've decided the best thing to do is quit work and live on the street, as i'll probably be better off that way.

meanwhile, i'm sure the UK governemnt will take care of my wife and she can continue to live in our house

many thanks to all

 


Jan 11, 13 18:26

Time for a 'Men's Circle' Gents.


They have a girlie night....WE will have a men's circle night.


Silent brooding will be standard but a bit of banter will be acceptable.


Holla back at me men.

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They have a girlie night....WE will have a men's circle night.


Silent brooding will be standard but a bit of banter will be acceptable.


Holla back at me men.


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Tea:

As far as I know, the "automatic joint-custody" law didn't yet pass the final approval, and is not in effect. Does anyone know different?

Here's the last update about it that I could find:

Joint custody in Switzerland new law


Jan 11, 13 19:08

Nir,


Double thanks for this!!!!

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Double thanks for this!!!!


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I was told six months ago that shared parental custody is now the norm in switserland and that you really would have to prove your case to get the to change this. So even though it is not a law as such yet it does seem to be the de facto outcome.
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I was told six months ago that shared parental custody is now the norm in switserland and that you really would have to prove your case to get the to change this. So even though it is not a law as such yet it does seem to be the de facto outcome.
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Max: I really don't know if this law is in effect yet or not.


All: is there anyone who is in regular touch with a divorce lawyer, who can help us understand if this "joint authority" change is indeed a new law that's fully approved?


 

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Max: I really don't know if this law is in effect yet or not.


All: is there anyone who is in regular touch with a divorce lawyer, who can help us understand if this "joint authority" change is indeed a new law that's fully approved?


 


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I think you people are not distinguishing between joint custody and joint authority. Two different concepts. As far as I know, the new law regards joint authority, not joint custody.


 

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I think you people are not distinguishing between joint custody and joint authority. Two different concepts. As far as I know, the new law regards joint authority, not joint custody.


 


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Mimi:


That's true. The new law (which as far as I understand is not yet in force) is about joint authority, which basicly means joint (big) decision making.


It's not about joint custody, which means where the kids stay physically.


 

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Mimi:


That's true. The new law (which as far as I understand is not yet in force) is about joint authority, which basicly means joint (big) decision making.


It's not about joint custody, which means where the kids stay physically.


 


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The issue is that the word "garde" doesn't have a word in English that means exactly the same as what it means in French.   "Custody" is the correct translation, but legally in Switzerland what "la garde" entails is not the same as how someone interprets the word "custody".

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The issue is that the word "garde" doesn't have a word in English that means exactly the same as what it means in French.   "Custody" is the correct translation, but legally in Switzerland what "la garde" entails is not the same as how someone interprets the word "custody".


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In French, and in Switzerland, there is the autorité parentale, and there is the garde parentale, i.e. authority on the one hand (like decision-making for the child, power of signature...) and custody (like Nir said above, where the child lives and who takes care of him/her). Both or neither can be joint between father and mother, or ony one of the two.


I for instance have both authority and custody over my children, a friend has full custody (which doesn't mean the children do not see their father, even very often!) but joint authority, another friend has both joint authority and custody (and the children live one week with the father and one week with the mother).


@Tea: this is impossible. Joint custody is not coming into effect in Jan 2013 (you wrote 2012?); it is joint authority that is coming into effect, but I believe for new divorces, not past ones that have been finalized.


 


 

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In French, and in Switzerland, there is the autorité parentale, and there is the garde parentale, i.e. authority on the one hand (like decision-making for the child, power of signature...) and custody (like Nir said above, where the child lives and who takes care of him/her). Both or neither can be joint between father and mother, or ony one of the two.


I for instance have both authority and custody over my children, a friend has full custody (which doesn't mean the children do not see their father, even very often!) but joint authority, another friend has both joint authority and custody (and the children live one week with the father and one week with the mother).


@Tea: this is impossible. Joint custody is not coming into effect in Jan 2013 (you wrote 2012?); it is joint authority that is coming into effect, but I believe for new divorces, not past ones that have been finalized.


 


 


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The project of law was accepted on the principle by the "Conseil National" the 25 September 2012. It is not yet effective but could be applied in Spring 2013.


http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/ff/2011/8351.pdf


It defines the joint authority only and brings only minor changes for married couples. 


The element that generates a " horrifically unbalanced" law, as defined by Max B, is the custody (garde). The parent who gets the custody, receives a lot of rights and benefits and the judge can not oblige a parent to accept a 50/50% custody...


The legal Swiss system is not ready to change it, or in case, the process would take decades...


I have a project to launch a popular initiative defining that the shared custody is the default situation in any separation or divorce. I drafted a site www.parentsegaux.ch. I will let you know when it will be ready. 


 

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The project of law was accepted on the principle by the "Conseil National" the 25 September 2012. It is not yet effective but could be applied in Spring 2013.


http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/ff/2011/8351.pdf


It defines the joint authority only and brings only minor changes for married couples. 


The element that generates a " horrifically unbalanced" law, as defined by Max B, is the custody (garde). The parent who gets the custody, receives a lot of rights and benefits and the judge can not oblige a parent to accept a 50/50% custody...


The legal Swiss system is not ready to change it, or in case, the process would take decades...


I have a project to launch a popular initiative defining that the shared custody is the default situation in any separation or divorce. I drafted a site www.parentsegaux.ch. I will let you know when it will be ready. 


 


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@Chris C: I took a quick look at your website and must say I don't agree with many things that are written there. Also, I don't think your project stands a chance of being accepted.


On the practical side, how would you reconcile joint custody when one parent lives in Vésenaz and the other in Grand-Saconnex? Would the kids be spending their time travelling to and fro between parents, and one week will they be going to school in Vésenaz while living in Grand-Saconnex (or vice versa)? Or going to school somewhere in between, say les Eaux-VIves (where btw they would have no friends or attachment to the area)? All the more difficult when they get older (teens) and have many activities of their own.

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@Chris C: I took a quick look at your website and must say I don't agree with many things that are written there. Also, I don't think your project stands a chance of being accepted.


On the practical side, how would you reconcile joint custody when one parent lives in Vésenaz and the other in Grand-Saconnex? Would the kids be spending their time travelling to and fro between parents, and one week will they be going to school in Vésenaz while living in Grand-Saconnex (or vice versa)? Or going to school somewhere in between, say les Eaux-VIves (where btw they would have no friends or attachment to the area)? All the more difficult when they get older (teens) and have many activities of their own.


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Right now, automatic "joint custody" won't work without other changes in the law, as, like Mimi says, many partners end up living in separate towns/cities and even cantons.    I know negotiated joint custody can work (I know a few families where the two parents live within 5 minutes drive of each other, so one week with Dad and one week with Mom works), but it's just that "negotiated".

Perhaps if/when "standard joint custody" takes effect and becomes the norm, the parent moving out would have to take that into consideration and would have to find a place within commuting distance of the child's school....

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Right now, automatic "joint custody" won't work without other changes in the law, as, like Mimi says, many partners end up living in separate towns/cities and even cantons.    I know negotiated joint custody can work (I know a few families where the two parents live within 5 minutes drive of each other, so one week with Dad and one week with Mom works), but it's just that "negotiated".

Perhaps if/when "standard joint custody" takes effect and becomes the norm, the parent moving out would have to take that into consideration and would have to find a place within commuting distance of the child's school....


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The thing is, with the housing crisis in Geneva, I don't think anyone can really choose the area they would like to live in. More likely that a partner separating will have great difficulties in finding a decent new home and will jump at the first opportunity, even if it is at the other side of the canton.


In France, the Juge aux affaires familiales considers the children's school and the distance between the school and each domicile: transport time must not exceed 20 minutes or 7 to 8 stations de métro. 


This being said, I do not want to disturb the initial question of the thread, which is about divorce lawyers.


 


 


 

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The thing is, with the housing crisis in Geneva, I don't think anyone can really choose the area they would like to live in. More likely that a partner separating will have great difficulties in finding a decent new home and will jump at the first opportunity, even if it is at the other side of the canton.


In France, the Juge aux affaires familiales considers the children's school and the distance between the school and each domicile: transport time must not exceed 20 minutes or 7 to 8 stations de métro. 


This being said, I do not want to disturb the initial question of the thread, which is about divorce lawyers.


 


 


 


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Jeez Max...you described me completely in your last paragraph...except I had to give the porsche to the ex.... and am too broke to go to a bar...although the free badge sounds like a bargain.


Jan 11, 13 18:06

Tw@


I just go it.

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Tw@


I just go it.


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Just spoke with a divorce lawyer. This new law about joint authority is not yet approved, but is expected to go through sometime in 2013. Until then, joint authority is NOT the default option.

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Just spoke with a divorce lawyer. This new law about joint authority is not yet approved, but is expected to go through sometime in 2013. Until then, joint authority is NOT the default option.


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Helllo there i just read now that u know a exellent lawyer for divorce , now and urgent i need one plz can u give me an information thank you 

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Helllo there i just read now that u know a exellent lawyer for divorce , now and urgent i need one plz can u give me an information thank you 


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Hello, I'm sorry to bother you Nir, but I too am looking for a divorce lawyer. This may seem a naive question but should the couple take a lawyer each or just one lawyer to sort out the case? I suppose the latter would only work if the parties were in agreement on most issues but it would certainly seem the cheapest option. 


Thanks for any info...

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Hello, I'm sorry to bother you Nir, but I too am looking for a divorce lawyer. This may seem a naive question but should the couple take a lawyer each or just one lawyer to sort out the case? I suppose the latter would only work if the parties were in agreement on most issues but it would certainly seem the cheapest option. 


Thanks for any info...


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Sheila c.


Yes you need a lawyer each. But they need to be in the canton where you file for divorce, ie if you live in Vaud then you file in Vaud...etc


 And you can apply for legal aid here, its a process but your lawyer can help if you have no income.


From a female side, its actually better financially if you wait 2 years separated, your lawyer can advise you on this ... depends... anyway.. good luck and have a look at some of the lawyer suggestions earlier in this thread.


 

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Sheila c.


Yes you need a lawyer each. But they need to be in the canton where you file for divorce, ie if you live in Vaud then you file in Vaud...etc


 And you can apply for legal aid here, its a process but your lawyer can help if you have no income.


From a female side, its actually better financially if you wait 2 years separated, your lawyer can advise you on this ... depends... anyway.. good luck and have a look at some of the lawyer suggestions earlier in this thread.


 


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Don't know about the laws in CH (I'm divorced in FR) but from a quick search it looks like you can manage without a lawyer if both parts agree.


I strongly reccomend not having two lawyers, if at all possible. From what I've heard, this will push the two parties to fight against each other, thereby (strongly) increasing costs, and creating long-lasting acromony. Especially if kids are concerned, it's more important to keep a good relation to your ex-to-be, than to get a better monetary solution.


Acording to http://www.divorce.ch/divorcech/introduction-au-divorce/combien-coute-un-divorce :


Dans le cadre d’un divorce par consentement mutuel, les deux époux peuvent décider de ne consulter qu’un seul avocat. Les frais d'avocat sont très variables (voir ici et ici ...). Comptez entre CHF 3'000.- et CHF 6'000.-pour un divorce par consentement mutuel.


 

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Don't know about the laws in CH (I'm divorced in FR) but from a quick search it looks like you can manage without a lawyer if both parts agree.


I strongly reccomend not having two lawyers, if at all possible. From what I've heard, this will push the two parties to fight against each other, thereby (strongly) increasing costs, and creating long-lasting acromony. Especially if kids are concerned, it's more important to keep a good relation to your ex-to-be, than to get a better monetary solution.


Acording to http://www.divorce.ch/divorcech/introduction-au-divorce/combien-coute-un-divorce :


Dans le cadre d’un divorce par consentement mutuel, les deux époux peuvent décider de ne consulter qu’un seul avocat. Les frais d'avocat sont très variables (voir ici et ici ...). Comptez entre CHF 3'000.- et CHF 6'000.-pour un divorce par consentement mutuel.


 


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Hey Sheila,


The ideal scenario is that your and your ex reach an agreement directly, together, without involving others in the discussion. It's not common to see this (at least among my own circle), but if you can make that happen, it's the best option. Agree what you want, then summarize the agreement in simple words on paper, and send it to the court. The court will approve it, and then the agreement becomes binding. Some people never even send the agreement to the court, which works well if you trust your ex to respect it in the future.


If the above doesn't work, ask a qualified organization to help you guys out with non-binding mediation. If the issue is over kids, I'd recommend the Service de Protection de Mineur for mediation. They're neutral and have a ton of experience. In Mediation, an expert speaks with both of you to understand the issues, and suggests a compromise that makes sense (hopefully) for all sides. A mediator can also give you guys an idea of what's lilkely to be agreed by the courts if you guys won't reach agreement.


If even that doesn't work, hire lawyers, and try to sort it out with their help. Bit do this only if the other 2 options are not options. Once 2 lawyers get involced, the risk for war increases. That's bad for everyone.


Good luck,


Nir

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Hey Sheila,


The ideal scenario is that your and your ex reach an agreement directly, together, without involving others in the discussion. It's not common to see this (at least among my own circle), but if you can make that happen, it's the best option. Agree what you want, then summarize the agreement in simple words on paper, and send it to the court. The court will approve it, and then the agreement becomes binding. Some people never even send the agreement to the court, which works well if you trust your ex to respect it in the future.


If the above doesn't work, ask a qualified organization to help you guys out with non-binding mediation. If the issue is over kids, I'd recommend the Service de Protection de Mineur for mediation. They're neutral and have a ton of experience. In Mediation, an expert speaks with both of you to understand the issues, and suggests a compromise that makes sense (hopefully) for all sides. A mediator can also give you guys an idea of what's lilkely to be agreed by the courts if you guys won't reach agreement.


If even that doesn't work, hire lawyers, and try to sort it out with their help. Bit do this only if the other 2 options are not options. Once 2 lawyers get involced, the risk for war increases. That's bad for everyone.


Good luck,


Nir


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Many thanks for your input all. I would obviously prefer to avoid acrimony since, indeed, there are kids involved and I want us all to be able to carry on our lives in a mature and, insofar as possible, harmonious way. I think Nir's suggestion of mediation to get a handle on the options sounds like the way forward. Also thanks tawb for the link!

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Many thanks for your input all. I would obviously prefer to avoid acrimony since, indeed, there are kids involved and I want us all to be able to carry on our lives in a mature and, insofar as possible, harmonious way. I think Nir's suggestion of mediation to get a handle on the options sounds like the way forward. Also thanks tawb for the link!


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Dear all, could anyone please send me as well details to cheap lawyer? Thank you.

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Dear all, could anyone please send me as well details to cheap lawyer? Thank you.


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If both parties agree, I can highly recommend easydivorce.ch  very cheap and great service. My ex-husband could fill in the forms from the UK and me from here... This cost me less than 1000 from start to finish.

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If both parties agree, I can highly recommend easydivorce.ch  very cheap and great service. My ex-husband could fill in the forms from the UK and me from here... This cost me less than 1000 from start to finish.


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I checked this web site you suggest and I am a bit confuced. Is it to do all on-line?? I just spoke with some lawyer and she wants 1500-3000 chf only for preparation of convention, not even representating me in a court :((

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I checked this web site you suggest and I am a bit confuced. Is it to do all on-line?? I just spoke with some lawyer and she wants 1500-3000 chf only for preparation of convention, not even representating me in a court :((


monika b, Apr 12, 2013 @ 16:17
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It is indeed all online. You fill in the forms - then submit them. A team of lawyers will have a look and if something is missing they will let you know, otherwise they will print out the documents for you and send them to you with explanation on how to file with the courts.

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It is indeed all online. You fill in the forms - then submit them. A team of lawyers will have a look and if something is missing they will let you know, otherwise they will print out the documents for you and send them to you with explanation on how to file with the courts.


Elin Larsen , Apr 15, 2013 @ 08:09
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Could you possibly Pm me with divorce lawyers details as well? Thank you!


Anne

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Could you possibly Pm me with divorce lawyers details as well? Thank you!


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hitchcockblo, Apr 16, 2013 @ 09:26
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Could you possibly PM me with divorce lawyers details as well? 


Thank you 


Anne 

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Could you possibly PM me with divorce lawyers details as well? 


Thank you 


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Could you Pm me with your divorce lawyers details as well please,


Thank you !

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Could you Pm me with your divorce lawyers details as well please,


Thank you !


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Nir, would ypu pass on the details ?


Thanks

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Nir, would ypu pass on the details ?


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You can write your own divorce agreement and never once involve a divorce lawyer.  It just costs a few hundred in court fees.  One of you must live in the Canton and it must be non contentious, i.e. you both agree on everything.  Before doing it you must have a "separation des biens".  In other words you need to dispose of jointly owned assets like a house and each have your own assets.  You also need to produce a budget to the court for each partner which shows that each of you can afford to live after the divorce.  The figures probably won't be examined closely or questioned by the judge, so the budget exercise is more for the benefit of each partner than the judge.


Take you petition for divorce to the Cantonal court, hand it to the "Greffe", pay the fee and wait to be summoned for the divorce hearing about 2 months later.


I suppose the divorce agreement should be written in French. (Please ask the court).  You can borrow a friends French divorce agreement  and copy it just modifying important points like custody or alimony.  If you can't find a friend who had a Swiss divorce then divorce.ch will produce an on-line agreement for about 900 francs, but you may still need to modify it as it can't capture every situation.  The online agreement can be printed but not copied or cut and pasted, so you may need to type it again from scratch.


 


If you don't speak any French, it is probably better to get a divorce lawyer, but make sure you and your spouse agree every detail beforehand as lawyers have a habit of trying to improve their client's situation and thats when it can turn into an argument.

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You can write your own divorce agreement and never once involve a divorce lawyer.  It just costs a few hundred in court fees.  One of you must live in the Canton and it must be non contentious, i.e. you both agree on everything.  Before doing it you must have a "separation des biens".  In other words you need to dispose of jointly owned assets like a house and each have your own assets.  You also need to produce a budget to the court for each partner which shows that each of you can afford to live after the divorce.  The figures probably won't be examined closely or questioned by the judge, so the budget exercise is more for the benefit of each partner than the judge.


Take you petition for divorce to the Cantonal court, hand it to the "Greffe", pay the fee and wait to be summoned for the divorce hearing about 2 months later.


I suppose the divorce agreement should be written in French. (Please ask the court).  You can borrow a friends French divorce agreement  and copy it just modifying important points like custody or alimony.  If you can't find a friend who had a Swiss divorce then divorce.ch will produce an on-line agreement for about 900 francs, but you may still need to modify it as it can't capture every situation.  The online agreement can be printed but not copied or cut and pasted, so you may need to type it again from scratch.


 


If you don't speak any French, it is probably better to get a divorce lawyer, but make sure you and your spouse agree every detail beforehand as lawyers have a habit of trying to improve their client's situation and thats when it can turn into an argument.


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Thank you so much Marcus -I'm sure other people will rind that ueful too!


 

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My friend is a lawyer and he told me about a lithograph he once saw:


In it a cow is being pulled at both ends. The person pulling at the horns stands under the title 'Plaintif'. At the tail the person pulling stands under the legend 'Defendant'.


Sitting at the cow's udders, milking it, sits a man and underneath him it says 'Solicitor'


A few friends who have divorced here have noticed that their lawyers have frequently been quite confrontational with their spouse's lawyer therby provoking a further entrenchment and a fresh round of (increasingly bitter) negotiations. It would seem that only the lawyers have benefitted from this.


 

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My friend is a lawyer and he told me about a lithograph he once saw:


In it a cow is being pulled at both ends. The person pulling at the horns stands under the title 'Plaintif'. At the tail the person pulling stands under the legend 'Defendant'.


Sitting at the cow's udders, milking it, sits a man and underneath him it says 'Solicitor'


A few friends who have divorced here have noticed that their lawyers have frequently been quite confrontational with their spouse's lawyer therby provoking a further entrenchment and a fresh round of (increasingly bitter) negotiations. It would seem that only the lawyers have benefitted from this.


 


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Me and my ex did mediation and it worked out ok (CHF180 an hour). Provided you don't fall in to rehashing the past, you can get it done in three or four sessions.


 

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Me and my ex did mediation and it worked out ok (CHF180 an hour). Provided you don't fall in to rehashing the past, you can get it done in three or four sessions.


 


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Hey was anyone up for the 'Survivors' night in the end? i.e. post divorce group get together.

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Hey was anyone up for the 'Survivors' night in the end? i.e. post divorce group get together.


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I made an appoitement with someone from easydivorce.ch. they said 1900 chf for divorce with kid- meaning only preparation of papers to the court.


 I would go for the Survivors meeting. Would be nice to get to know people in similar situation.. 

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I made an appoitement with someone from easydivorce.ch. they said 1900 chf for divorce with kid- meaning only preparation of papers to the court.


 I would go for the Survivors meeting. Would be nice to get to know people in similar situation.. 


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Not sure I can describe myself as a survivor yet since still in the middle of the whole mess. But I would certainly be interested in a get-together. Have had some very interesting feedback from the 'mediators' suggested by Max B, thank you very much for this information. Here we all are, chipping away at our personal dilemmas...it could be so useful and comforting to share our experiences.


so...how, when, where...?

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Not sure I can describe myself as a survivor yet since still in the middle of the whole mess. But I would certainly be interested in a get-together. Have had some very interesting feedback from the 'mediators' suggested by Max B, thank you very much for this information. Here we all are, chipping away at our personal dilemmas...it could be so useful and comforting to share our experiences.


so...how, when, where...?


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Helllo , very intersting subject....... To change our experiences, where and when will be this meeting! Can i have some details plz , thank you

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Helllo , very intersting subject....... To change our experiences, where and when will be this meeting! Can i have some details plz , thank you


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Here is a DRAFT Petition to the Court for divorce, followed by a DRAFT Divorce Agreement.  Hope this helps anyone who wants to do it yourself.


Although this is written in English, you will need to write the final version in French.  I have included the French version of some of the lines where it is not clear how the French should be written.


Petition to the Court for divorce:


The Court of first instance
Place du Bourg-de-Four 1
1204 Geneva


Au Tribunal de 1ère instance


Place du Bourg-de-Four 1


1204 Genève


JOINT MOTION FOR DIVORCE


REQUETE COMMUNE DE DIVORCE


(With full agreement)
(avec accord complet)



between


Mrs. *********************** born *******************,
domiciled **********************************



and



Mr. ********************* domiciled ************************** *

 
THE FACTS


EN FAIT

1. Mrs. ************************** born ***************** the dd mmm yyyy to ******, nationality and Mr ********** ****************, born in dd mmm yyyy **** ***** ************** of nationality, were married on dd mmm yyyy at ******************* .

Proof: Copy of passport of Madame
Proof: Copy of passport of Mr.
Proof: Copy of marriage certificate

2. From this union, they gave birth to:

• ***********, born in dd mmm yyyy ************


Proof: Copy of birth certificate


3. The parties have not entered into a marriage contract

4. The couple separated on dd mm yyyy. Each spouse has
constituted a separate home:

• Mr. *********** has his home at the following address: ************************ • Mrs R * ********************* is domiciled at the following address: ******************** **********

Proof: By examination of the parties

5. On their financial situation, the parties produce their budgets,
before and after the separation, established by mutual agreement and signed
by both parties.

Proof: Budgets

As necessary, each party agrees to produce any Court
certificate or other document that the Court ask on itheir financial situation.


6. The parties produce certificates on their professional retirement funds.


6. Les parties produisent les attestations concernant leurs prévoyances professionnelles.


Proof:
Statement of Provident Fund Mr.
Statement of Provident Fund Mrs.


7. After careful consideration, the parties agreed to divorce by mutual consent. They have already established a Convention on the ancillary effects which they produce in these proceedings.


7. Après mûre réflexion, les parties ont décidé de divorcer par consentement mutuel. Elles ont d’ores et déjà établi une Conventionsur les effets accessoires qu’elles produisent à la procédure.

Proof : Convention as below


THE LAW


EN DROIT

The Tribunal has jurisdiction to entertain the application (Articles 59 LDIP and 15 LFors)


Le Tribunal de céans est compétent pour connaître de la requête (articles 59 LDIP et 15 LFors)

The parties based their request on Articles 111 and following of the Swiss Civil Code, and any other applicable law.


Les parties basent leur requête sur les articles 111 et suivants du Code Civil suisse, ainsi que sur toute autre disposition légale applicable.




Spouses seek ratification of the Convention concluded between them on the incidental effects of divorce.


Les époux sollicitent la ratification de la Convention qu’ils ont conclue sur les effets accessoires de leur divorce.




CONCLUSIONS

Mrs. ****************** and Mr *********************** and rquest that it

PLEASE THE COURT


PLAISE AU TRIBUNAL


a) the form
• Declare admissible this joint petition for divorce


a) À la forme


•          Déclarer recevable la présente requête commune de divorce




b) At the end


b) Au fond

• Declare dissolved by divorce  the marriage contracted by the spouses **************** and ******************** on the dd mmm yyyy at  *****************

• Ratify the Convention on the incidental effects of divorce between the parties and filed under number 1 in the schedule annexed parts.



Dated ...... dd mmm yyyy four copies

Mrs. ***************************

_________________________________________________________________

Mr. ****************************

_________________________________________________________________

Appendix: Slip parts


Annexe: Bordereau de pièces
 

Slip parts in support of the joint petition for divorce and Mr. Mrs. *************** ****************** ****


Bordereau de pièces à l’appui de la requête commune en divorce de Madame *************** et Monsieur **********************




1. Convention
2. Copy of passport of Madame
3. Copy of passport of Mr.
4. Copy of the marriage certificate
5. Copy of birth certificate ******************
6. Signed and accurate budgets recognized by both parties
7. Statement of Pension Fund Mr.
8. Statement of Pension Fund Mrs.




CONVENTION OF DIVORCE


CONVENTION DE DIVORCE





Between

Mrs. ********************* born ************** domiciled ********* *********

and


Mr. ********************* domiciled ************************** Geneva ***
 

It is previously stated as follows:

1. Mrs. ******************** born ************* the dd / mm / yyyy to ****** *** *********** nationality of Mr. ************************, born in dd mmm yyyy ********, ************* of nationality, were married in dd mmm yyyy at ***************** *.
2. From this union, they gave birth to:
• ****************, born in dd mmm yyyy ********, adult child

3. The parties have not entered into a marriage contract.
4. The couple separated on dd mmm yyyy. Each spouse has established a separate home:
• Mr. ************************ has his home at the following address: *************** *******
• Mrs ***************** is domiciled at the following address: ********************** ****.
5. The spouses decided to file a joint petition for divorce within the meaning of Article 111 of the Civil Code. They agreed to settle the following terms of their divorce, and the division of their property as set out below:


5.         Les époux ont décidé de déposer une requête commune de divorce au sens de l’article 111 du Code Civil. Ils conviennent de régler comme suit les modalités accessoires de leur divorce, ainsi que le partage de leurs biens :


 




ARTICLE 1: Divorce
The parties agree to promptly submit the findings of divorce agreement by the Court of first instance.


Les parties conviennent de déposer rapidement des conclusions d’accord de divorce par devant le Tribunal de 1ère instance.



The outcome of the application for divorce resume all relevant provisions of this Convention.


Les conclusions de la demande en divorce reprendront toutes les dispositions utiles de la présente Convention.


ARTICLE 1 : Divorce


Les parties conviennent de déposer rapidement des conclusions d’accord de divorce par devant le Tribunal de 1ère instance.


Les conclusions de la demande en divorce reprendront toutes les dispositions utiles de la présente Convention.



ARTICLE 2: Marital Home
The former matrimonial home located at the following address: ************************ was sold and Mrs. ********* ******* lives in her new apartment located at No ******************** since dd mmm yyyy. Mr. **************** lives in his new apartment located at No ******************* since dd mmm yyyy.

ARTICLE 3: Maintenance of spouses
Mr.. ********************* ***************** will pay to Mrs ************* the sum of CHF **** monthly for 24 months (24 payments), then the amount of CHF **** per month until the dd mmm yyyy or until his death if earlier.  Payments will be made on the last day of each month, from the month in which the divorce is pronounced.

ARTICLE 4: Liquidation of the matrimonial
The matrimonial regime has already been liquidated by agreement between the parties.
Regarding taxes, the spouses have already requested a separate taxation and each spouse will assume the payment of taxes in accordance with the separate taxation or to be issued.



ARTICLE 5: 2nd pillar
The parties agree to share in half the termination benefits in accordance with Article 122 CC and include this in their joint petition for divorce.


ARTICLE 5 : 2ème pilier


Les époux conviennent de partager par moitié les prestations de sortie, conformément à l’article 122 CC et concluent en ce sens dans leur requête commune de divorce.


 



ARTICLE 6: Costs of proceedings
Each spouse shall bear half the cost of the procedure.
 
Dated this .................. dd mmm yyyy four copies


Madame ****************************

_________________________________________________________________


Mr. ***************************

_________________________________________________________________


Annexes:
Budgets before and after divorce
Marriage Certificate
Passports
Birth Certificates
Certifications second pillar.

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Here is a DRAFT Petition to the Court for divorce, followed by a DRAFT Divorce Agreement.  Hope this helps anyone who wants to do it yourself.


Although this is written in English, you will need to write the final version in French.  I have included the French version of some of the lines where it is not clear how the French should be written.


Petition to the Court for divorce:


The Court of first instance
Place du Bourg-de-Four 1
1204 Geneva


Au Tribunal de 1ère instance


Place du Bourg-de-Four 1


1204 Genève


JOINT MOTION FOR DIVORCE


REQUETE COMMUNE DE DIVORCE


(With full agreement)
(avec accord complet)



between


Mrs. *********************** born *******************,
domiciled **********************************



and



Mr. ********************* domiciled ************************** *

 
THE FACTS


EN FAIT

1. Mrs. ************************** born ***************** the dd mmm yyyy to ******, nationality and Mr ********** ****************, born in dd mmm yyyy **** ***** ************** of nationality, were married on dd mmm yyyy at ******************* .

Proof: Copy of passport of Madame
Proof: Copy of passport of Mr.
Proof: Copy of marriage certificate

2. From this union, they gave birth to:

• ***********, born in dd mmm yyyy ************


Proof: Copy of birth certificate


3. The parties have not entered into a marriage contract

4. The couple separated on dd mm yyyy. Each spouse has
constituted a separate home:

• Mr. *********** has his home at the following address: ************************ • Mrs R * ********************* is domiciled at the following address: ******************** **********

Proof: By examination of the parties

5. On their financial situation, the parties produce their budgets,
before and after the separation, established by mutual agreement and signed
by both parties.

Proof: Budgets

As necessary, each party agrees to produce any Court
certificate or other document that the Court ask on itheir financial situation.


6. The parties produce certificates on their professional retirement funds.


6. Les parties produisent les attestations concernant leurs prévoyances professionnelles.


Proof:
Statement of Provident Fund Mr.
Statement of Provident Fund Mrs.


7. After careful consideration, the parties agreed to divorce by mutual consent. They have already established a Convention on the ancillary effects which they produce in these proceedings.


7. Après mûre réflexion, les parties ont décidé de divorcer par consentement mutuel. Elles ont d’ores et déjà établi une Conventionsur les effets accessoires qu’elles produisent à la procédure.

Proof : Convention as below


THE LAW


EN DROIT

The Tribunal has jurisdiction to entertain the application (Articles 59 LDIP and 15 LFors)


Le Tribunal de céans est compétent pour connaître de la requête (articles 59 LDIP et 15 LFors)

The parties based their request on Articles 111 and following of the Swiss Civil Code, and any other applicable law.


Les parties basent leur requête sur les articles 111 et suivants du Code Civil suisse, ainsi que sur toute autre disposition légale applicable.




Spouses seek ratification of the Convention concluded between them on the incidental effects of divorce.


Les époux sollicitent la ratification de la Convention qu’ils ont conclue sur les effets accessoires de leur divorce.




CONCLUSIONS

Mrs. ****************** and Mr *********************** and rquest that it

PLEASE THE COURT


PLAISE AU TRIBUNAL


a) the form
• Declare admissible this joint petition for divorce


a) À la forme


•          Déclarer recevable la présente requête commune de divorce




b) At the end


b) Au fond

• Declare dissolved by divorce  the marriage contracted by the spouses **************** and ******************** on the dd mmm yyyy at  *****************

• Ratify the Convention on the incidental effects of divorce between the parties and filed under number 1 in the schedule annexed parts.



Dated ...... dd mmm yyyy four copies

Mrs. ***************************

_________________________________________________________________

Mr. ****************************

_________________________________________________________________

Appendix: Slip parts


Annexe: Bordereau de pièces
 

Slip parts in support of the joint petition for divorce and Mr. Mrs. *************** ****************** ****


Bordereau de pièces à l’appui de la requête commune en divorce de Madame *************** et Monsieur **********************




1. Convention
2. Copy of passport of Madame
3. Copy of passport of Mr.
4. Copy of the marriage certificate
5. Copy of birth certificate ******************
6. Signed and accurate budgets recognized by both parties
7. Statement of Pension Fund Mr.
8. Statement of Pension Fund Mrs.




CONVENTION OF DIVORCE


CONVENTION DE DIVORCE





Between

Mrs. ********************* born ************** domiciled ********* *********

and


Mr. ********************* domiciled ************************** Geneva ***
 

It is previously stated as follows:

1. Mrs. ******************** born ************* the dd / mm / yyyy to ****** *** *********** nationality of Mr. ************************, born in dd mmm yyyy ********, ************* of nationality, were married in dd mmm yyyy at ***************** *.
2. From this union, they gave birth to:
• ****************, born in dd mmm yyyy ********, adult child

3. The parties have not entered into a marriage contract.
4. The couple separated on dd mmm yyyy. Each spouse has established a separate home:
• Mr. ************************ has his home at the following address: *************** *******
• Mrs ***************** is domiciled at the following address: ********************** ****.
5. The spouses decided to file a joint petition for divorce within the meaning of Article 111 of the Civil Code. They agreed to settle the following terms of their divorce, and the division of their property as set out below:


5.         Les époux ont décidé de déposer une requête commune de divorce au sens de l’article 111 du Code Civil. Ils conviennent de régler comme suit les modalités accessoires de leur divorce, ainsi que le partage de leurs biens :


 




ARTICLE 1: Divorce
The parties agree to promptly submit the findings of divorce agreement by the Court of first instance.


Les parties conviennent de déposer rapidement des conclusions d’accord de divorce par devant le Tribunal de 1ère instance.



The outcome of the application for divorce resume all relevant provisions of this Convention.


Les conclusions de la demande en divorce reprendront toutes les dispositions utiles de la présente Convention.


ARTICLE 1 : Divorce


Les parties conviennent de déposer rapidement des conclusions d’accord de divorce par devant le Tribunal de 1ère instance.


Les conclusions de la demande en divorce reprendront toutes les dispositions utiles de la présente Convention.



ARTICLE 2: Marital Home
The former matrimonial home located at the following address: ************************ was sold and Mrs. ********* ******* lives in her new apartment located at No ******************** since dd mmm yyyy. Mr. **************** lives in his new apartment located at No ******************* since dd mmm yyyy.

ARTICLE 3: Maintenance of spouses
Mr.. ********************* ***************** will pay to Mrs ************* the sum of CHF **** monthly for 24 months (24 payments), then the amount of CHF **** per month until the dd mmm yyyy or until his death if earlier.  Payments will be made on the last day of each month, from the month in which the divorce is pronounced.

ARTICLE 4: Liquidation of the matrimonial
The matrimonial regime has already been liquidated by agreement between the parties.
Regarding taxes, the spouses have already requested a separate taxation and each spouse will assume the payment of taxes in accordance with the separate taxation or to be issued.



ARTICLE 5: 2nd pillar
The parties agree to share in half the termination benefits in accordance with Article 122 CC and include this in their joint petition for divorce.


ARTICLE 5 : 2ème pilier


Les époux conviennent de partager par moitié les prestations de sortie, conformément à l’article 122 CC et concluent en ce sens dans leur requête commune de divorce.


 



ARTICLE 6: Costs of proceedings
Each spouse shall bear half the cost of the procedure.
 
Dated this .................. dd mmm yyyy four copies


Madame ****************************

_________________________________________________________________


Mr. ***************************

_________________________________________________________________


Annexes:
Budgets before and after divorce
Marriage Certificate
Passports
Birth Certificates
Certifications second pillar.


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Thanks Marcus T -that is incredibly helpful! Thank you everybody who had replied, either with the names of lawyers or suggestions of how to mediate or do things more cheaply and with less hassle!


I really think it would be a GREAT idea to set something up for glocals to have a meeting and discuss -either as a "survivors club" or more like an information evening where people can ask questions in a supportive atmosphere from people who have done it or know how it should be done!


 

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Thanks Marcus T -that is incredibly helpful! Thank you everybody who had replied, either with the names of lawyers or suggestions of how to mediate or do things more cheaply and with less hassle!


I really think it would be a GREAT idea to set something up for glocals to have a meeting and discuss -either as a "survivors club" or more like an information evening where people can ask questions in a supportive atmosphere from people who have done it or know how it should be done!


 


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http://www.glocals.com/#/things-to-do/lausanne/57913.htm


Posted Survivors night.


Join us


 


Hope Lausanne's not a problem. The bar is cool.

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Posted Survivors night.


Join us


 


Hope Lausanne's not a problem. The bar is cool.


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Thank you Max B for making this opportunity to meet! although I did not realise you are from Lausanne :(( I am in Geneva and will be not able to join you in Lausanne :(((( could we please do something like this as well in Geneva??


P.S


I have today first meeting with the lawyer to set the documents..


 

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Thank you Max B for making this opportunity to meet! although I did not realise you are from Lausanne :(( I am in Geneva and will be not able to join you in Lausanne :(((( could we please do something like this as well in Geneva??


P.S


I have today first meeting with the lawyer to set the documents..


 


monika b, Apr 24, 2013 @ 11:08
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Hi monika i am from


geneva also and i will go if u like to go i can take u with me i am


going by car 

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geneva also and i will go if u like to go i can take u with me i am


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I am not a lawyer and this is not any legal advice. I have 2 lawyers in Bern to pass on.


This topic is hugely complex in Switzerland, varies canton to canton and each persons situation is unique,  It can get really ugly and expensive  fast, especially when two nationalities, children, real estate and one "unreasonable" party are in the mix.It can also last a really long time (two years minimum) if one party chooses not to "agree" to the divorce immediately, which can happen often due to varous considerations.


Joint legal custody as the basic case is really far along now and is expected to come into effect in 2014, whereafter, parties with a divorce agreement (probably 5 years back depending on what is finally passed) can then repetition. This is of particular interest to men that find joint legal custody essential to them as fathers but had to give it up at divorce.


At any rate, I know a mediation lawyer in Bern who is amazing, for parties that are trying to avoid a big court affair and come up with a real workable, constructive solution with which everyone can have a real life after. But she doesn't do court trials (read battles) anymore last I heard. I also know a very calm and practical lawyer in Bern who does court as well. It's important that the lawyer you first use actually can go to court in the canton where your case will be heard or you might have to change lawyers if you don't reach an agreement. Not all lawyers can do court in all cantons.


Now my advice is that before going down the lawyer and court path, 1) talk to as many people you can in detail who have gone through divorce in Switzerland to gain insights fro their experience. 2) really exhaust all avenues to come up with your own separation or divorce agreement with the other party or at least partial agreement which can save a lot of time and money. Otherwise you might spend thousands and thousands of CHFs, (anywhere from CHF 4'000 to literly no limit), money you both were planning for your child's education, maybe your first homes and retirement. Otherwise you are looking at divorce, yes marital freedom, but starting over from scratch financially and often even high debt.


The good news is that with some planning, determinantion and yes, luck, the divorce process here in Switzerland does have some things going for it, not so often expereinced in other countries.


Email me if you're interested in the info on the lawyers or to chat more on this.


Cheers


Peter

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I am not a lawyer and this is not any legal advice. I have 2 lawyers in Bern to pass on.


This topic is hugely complex in Switzerland, varies canton to canton and each persons situation is unique,  It can get really ugly and expensive  fast, especially when two nationalities, children, real estate and one "unreasonable" party are in the mix.It can also last a really long time (two years minimum) if one party chooses not to "agree" to the divorce immediately, which can happen often due to varous considerations.


Joint legal custody as the basic case is really far along now and is expected to come into effect in 2014, whereafter, parties with a divorce agreement (probably 5 years back depending on what is finally passed) can then repetition. This is of particular interest to men that find joint legal custody essential to them as fathers but had to give it up at divorce.


At any rate, I know a mediation lawyer in Bern who is amazing, for parties that are trying to avoid a big court affair and come up with a real workable, constructive solution with which everyone can have a real life after. But she doesn't do court trials (read battles) anymore last I heard. I also know a very calm and practical lawyer in Bern who does court as well. It's important that the lawyer you first use actually can go to court in the canton where your case will be heard or you might have to change lawyers if you don't reach an agreement. Not all lawyers can do court in all cantons.


Now my advice is that before going down the lawyer and court path, 1) talk to as many people you can in detail who have gone through divorce in Switzerland to gain insights fro their experience. 2) really exhaust all avenues to come up with your own separation or divorce agreement with the other party or at least partial agreement which can save a lot of time and money. Otherwise you might spend thousands and thousands of CHFs, (anywhere from CHF 4'000 to literly no limit), money you both were planning for your child's education, maybe your first homes and retirement. Otherwise you are looking at divorce, yes marital freedom, but starting over from scratch financially and often even high debt.


The good news is that with some planning, determinantion and yes, luck, the divorce process here in Switzerland does have some things going for it, not so often expereinced in other countries.


Email me if you're interested in the info on the lawyers or to chat more on this.


Cheers


Peter


Peter Y, Apr 25, 2013 @ 11:52
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I just hope none of you are getting divorced because of this reason:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAXSgssptc0&feature=youtube_gdata_player


 


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAXSgssptc0&feature=youtube_gdata_player


 


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Guys, it looks like there is a real demand for convrsation and advice about this-if they can organize something in Lausanne -surely we can organize something here -Nir, mybe you know the best way to go about it?


 


 


 

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Guys, it looks like there is a real demand for convrsation and advice about this-if they can organize something in Lausanne -surely we can organize something here -Nir, mybe you know the best way to go about it?


 


 


 


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Guys, it looks like there is a real demand for convrsation and advice about this-if they can organize something in Lausanne -surely we can organize something here -Nir, mybe you know the best way to go about it?

 

 

 


Apr 29, 13 10:48

"If they can organise something in Lausanne" ;-)


Seriously, I think there might be something to this. It's a brutal, traumatic and expensive life event (one of the top three 'life stressors' I believe). There is definitely some scope for organising some resources to help each other through this.

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"If they can organise something in Lausanne" ;-)


Seriously, I think there might be something to this. It's a brutal, traumatic and expensive life event (one of the top three 'life stressors' I believe). There is definitely some scope for organising some resources to help each other through this.


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Pete Y has proposed this for the Survivor's theme song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSMxY6asoE


I'm going for this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4ALgm6Rsc


from around 00:55


 

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Pete Y has proposed this for the Survivor's theme song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSMxY6asoE


I'm going for this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4ALgm6Rsc


from around 00:55


 


Max B, Apr 29, 2013 @ 18:11
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I'm in for a meeting in Geneva! In the meantime, I can come to Lausanne's club as well... When is the next time?

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I am up to meeting in Geneva as well. Lets wait for some better weather and meet for a beer. Cheers

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monika b, Apr 29, 2013 @ 20:32
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I'm in for a meeting in Geneva! In the meantime, I can come to Lausanne's club as well... When is the next time?


Apr 29, 13 19:58

Hi Evgenia,


 


The event is on Saturday 11th May at the Cafe St Pierre: http://www.cafesaintpierre.ch


Cafe St Pierre is a really nice 'grown up' lounge club/Restaurant with a good DJ. Perfect place with ambience but also allowing the group to chat/socialise.


It's also next to the Blue Lizard and the white star which are fairly good, ex-pat type places.


http://www.glocals.com/#/things-to-do/lausanne/57913.htm


 

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Hi Evgenia,


 


The event is on Saturday 11th May at the Cafe St Pierre: http://www.cafesaintpierre.ch


Cafe St Pierre is a really nice 'grown up' lounge club/Restaurant with a good DJ. Perfect place with ambience but also allowing the group to chat/socialise.


It's also next to the Blue Lizard and the white star which are fairly good, ex-pat type places.


http://www.glocals.com/#/things-to-do/lausanne/57913.htm


 


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Dear Nir Ofek, I need one divorce lawyer desperately.  Both my ex-husband and I are expats here. I am Brazilian/American and he is American. I am going through a lot and we share a 9 year old son together, but we need a lawyer that works for Canton Vaud, since we live 5 minutes from Nyon.  The lawyer that you talked about... does he work only on the canton Geneva?  Need it desperately!!!! thank you very much! 

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Dear Nir Ofek, I need one divorce lawyer desperately.  Both my ex-husband and I are expats here. I am Brazilian/American and he is American. I am going through a lot and we share a 9 year old son together, but we need a lawyer that works for Canton Vaud, since we live 5 minutes from Nyon.  The lawyer that you talked about... does he work only on the canton Geneva?  Need it desperately!!!! thank you very much! 


Luciana Machado Simon, Jun 1, 2013 @ 17:22
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I am desperate!  But I need someone who can represent the canton Vaud since we live 5 minutes from Nyon.  Is your lawyer allowed to work here too? Anyway, thank you for posting.  If you hear about someone awesome (my case is very complicated), please, let me know.  Take care.


                                                              Luciana.

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I am desperate!  But I need someone who can represent the canton Vaud since we live 5 minutes from Nyon.  Is your lawyer allowed to work here too? Anyway, thank you for posting.  If you hear about someone awesome (my case is very complicated), please, let me know.  Take care.


                                                              Luciana.


Luciana Machado Simon, Jun 1, 2013 @ 17:26
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Did you not notice he was Nigerian when you met him face to face? Undecided


Jan 8, 13 15:49

How can someone tell the difference? Its like saying "didnt you notice he was french as opposed to swiss?" You believe what you are told.

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How can someone tell the difference? Its like saying "didnt you notice he was french as opposed to swiss?" You believe what you are told.


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Sorry Merike - I've replied to you personally as I'm not into nit-picking cat-fights here on the forums, however that obviously wasn't enough, to let's look at just the facts as you portray them in your original post.  

(Please be assured that I'm actually taking your remark seriously, however I'm struggling to work out your "martyr to the moral high ground" tone).

So you met a guy who was engaged to be married this January (you even know the date, so I presume you knew each other fairly "intimately"); he's Irish/South African/Nigerian (still not sure on that one); you were "with him" for 4 months as his "exclusive girlfriend"; once you found out "he is 40 years old blooody nigerian" (charming to our Nigerian friends), you destroyed his relationship with his Irish girlfriend by telling her all the gory details of your affair (AFTER you got found out, so goodness knows how long it could have gone on); and you're thrilled to bits that you've ruined his life, probably ruined her life for a short while as well, caused the break up of his engagement and the cancellation of what could have been, a happy wedding.......

And you critisise me for making a joke about your eyesight?????Surprised


Jan 8, 13 17:52

Once a cheat always a cheat. He probably would have cheated on his wife too. and no guarantee that the relationship was exclusive, I once dated a guy for 3 years and we lived on the same street (in this tiny geneva) as his wife and other girlfriend.... 4 years later, Im still trying to figure out how I never noticed.... Needless to say he is now divorced and we are all still living on the same street. sounds like a badly written soap. 

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Once a cheat always a cheat. He probably would have cheated on his wife too. and no guarantee that the relationship was exclusive, I once dated a guy for 3 years and we lived on the same street (in this tiny geneva) as his wife and other girlfriend.... 4 years later, Im still trying to figure out how I never noticed.... Needless to say he is now divorced and we are all still living on the same street. sounds like a badly written soap. 


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wow, some people need to divorce there Glocals forums, not nice here.

But on a strange point, there are so many people interested in gettng divorce lawyer after new years, Glocals should have a Glocals 'New years Divorce Party'?


Jan 8, 13 18:09

I think this has something to do with the fact that over christmas you meet family and you see your relatives actually happy and decide "hey why should I just keep being sad, maybe its time to just end it......" Just what I think.

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I think this has something to do with the fact that over christmas you meet family and you see your relatives actually happy and decide "hey why should I just keep being sad, maybe its time to just end it......" Just what I think.


Marcy S, Jun 2, 2013 @ 10:24
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I guess we each have different experiences but the law as it stands is horrifically unblanaced.

At the moment a mother cna take her kids out of Switzerland and the father can't stop her.

The law presumes that the children will live with their mother.

If a mother does not want the father to have 50% custody the judge can not order her to.

The criteria for deciding how much the person who does not have the children (the father) needs is "What is the minimum this person needs to live" A few examples:

The father is entitles to CHF 80 per month towards public transport to and from work UNLESS hee has to travel more than 4 hours per day by public transport in which case he is allowed CHF 200 towards a car.

Person who has the kids does not have to work until the youngest kid is 10 and then they only have to work 50%. My lawyer told me that if I were a woman she would advise me to quit work straight away.

I could go on.

I don't want to start WWIII here (I am in 'pink badge' territory) but I think the way the law treats men it is not surprising some of them either bail or turnr in to $%£&s

I respect your opinion but I guess we each have our own individual experiences that shape our view.

 


Jan 11, 13 17:56

Actually the leaving with kids thing depends. My daughter is swiss and so is my ex and for the first 3 years I could not go anywhere with her without his consent.  It only got sorted when she finally got her kenyan passport so for countries where the woman cannot give her nationality to the kids you can never move with the kid without the dad's (if he is swiss) say so.

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Actually the leaving with kids thing depends. My daughter is swiss and so is my ex and for the first 3 years I could not go anywhere with her without his consent.  It only got sorted when she finally got her kenyan passport so for countries where the woman cannot give her nationality to the kids you can never move with the kid without the dad's (if he is swiss) say so.


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I am not a lawyer and this is not any legal advice. I have 2 lawyers in Bern to pass on.

This topic is hugely complex in Switzerland, varies canton to canton and each persons situation is unique,  It can get really ugly and expensive  fast, especially when two nationalities, children, real estate and one "unreasonable" party are in the mix.It can also last a really long time (two years minimum) if one party chooses not to "agree" to the divorce immediately, which can happen often due to varous considerations.

Joint legal custody as the basic case is really far along now and is expected to come into effect in 2014, whereafter, parties with a divorce agreement (probably 5 years back depending on what is finally passed) can then repetition. This is of particular interest to men that find joint legal custody essential to them as fathers but had to give it up at divorce.

At any rate, I know a mediation lawyer in Bern who is amazing, for parties that are trying to avoid a big court affair and come up with a real workable, constructive solution with which everyone can have a real life after. But she doesn't do court trials (read battles) anymore last I heard. I also know a very calm and practical lawyer in Bern who does court as well. It's important that the lawyer you first use actually can go to court in the canton where your case will be heard or you might have to change lawyers if you don't reach an agreement. Not all lawyers can do court in all cantons.

Now my advice is that before going down the lawyer and court path, 1) talk to as many people you can in detail who have gone through divorce in Switzerland to gain insights fro their experience. 2) really exhaust all avenues to come up with your own separation or divorce agreement with the other party or at least partial agreement which can save a lot of time and money. Otherwise you might spend thousands and thousands of CHFs, (anywhere from CHF 4'000 to literly no limit), money you both were planning for your child's education, maybe your first homes and retirement. Otherwise you are looking at divorce, yes marital freedom, but starting over from scratch financially and often even high debt.

The good news is that with some planning, determinantion and yes, luck, the divorce process here in Switzerland does have some things going for it, not so often expereinced in other countries.

Email me if you're interested in the info on the lawyers or to chat more on this.

Cheers

Peter


Apr 25, 13 11:52

I know an amazing mediator that I went to in Geneva when the custody and child support issue got too long and I just wish I would have gone to her in the first place.

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Hi Maybritt,


I live in canton vaud, please send me the name of the lawyer you know.


Many thanks and regards.

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I live in canton vaud, please send me the name of the lawyer you know.


Many thanks and regards.


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Hi This sounds interesting and I do need some advise if you can give me your email as I have been waiting around 5 months for a Mesures du Protectrice to be put in place


Thanks


 

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Thanks


 


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Hi This sounds interesting and I do need some advise if you can give me your email as I have been waiting around 5 months for a Mesures du Protectrice to be put in place

Thanks

 


Mar 13, 14 02:14

Melle, who are you writing to please? Cheers, Peter

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I have recently heard from a lady who very much appreciated the help from the founder of the following website, in Switzerland.


http://www.thedivorcelady.com/

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http://www.thedivorcelady.com/


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hello anyone can advise on a good laywer (child visit) in Haute Savoie / tribunal Thonon les Bains (based in Saint Julien-en-Genevois et annemasse)


 


anyone to avoid as well


 


Thank you

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hello anyone can advise on a good laywer (child visit) in Haute Savoie / tribunal Thonon les Bains (based in Saint Julien-en-Genevois et annemasse)


 


anyone to avoid as well


 


Thank you


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Laurent:


I don't know about a Haute Savoie one, but if you could also use a great divorce lawyer in Geneva I strongly recommend Nicolas Mossaz on nicolas.mossaz@ptan.ch


Speaks FR and EN. 


Good luck my friend, 


Nir

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I don't know about a Haute Savoie one, but if you could also use a great divorce lawyer in Geneva I strongly recommend Nicolas Mossaz on nicolas.mossaz@ptan.ch


Speaks FR and EN. 


Good luck my friend, 


Nir


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Thank you Nir,


 


Will see you on Friday...


 


Laurent

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Will see you on Friday...


 


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Hi Laurent,


 


Thanks for asking for a reply. After having gone through a 10 month trauma and two lawyers later yes dont use Me Lorenzie as she is a time waster and a money waster.. I think when they say if your Lawyer does not response to you, you should seriously take the hint. DO not go for the Measures de Protectrice Conjugale. YOU are better off trying to get it done via the courts yourself which is filing it. or use the easydivorce.ch I think they have been giving me free advise and they would sort it out latest 10weeks. So lastly dont ever send the Lawyers copies of the emails from you or your wife as its just a money making exercise for them no one seriously reads them it just costs you money. Once in court no one is interested no matter how abusive they get. Do not as the Lawyers say rubbing there hands yes please send me evidence of the email.. for what you should say. WHAT your now going to take me seriously with the abuse.. no they say just be calm and wait for when the court will see you.. right 10 months later.. no no no.. honestly its a joke this system in Swiss Geneva.. If your a European try and get something done in your own country as they put you down for not speaking french and try and rail road you into something which is not right. Be on your guard if you hire a Lawyer seriously. Just make sure you stick to what you want. If they try and diveate then make sure you revert back. ITS cost me 10,000ch for nothing seriously even the free Lawyer told me they are just making money off your horrible situation.. dont be fooled. It is a horrible time and you want things sorted out but just make it clear these are your objectives and this is my time line and really seriously ask for quotes of money upfront. They dont give advise for free unless its on the easydivorce.ch and they have given me such a nice response for the questions I asked them.

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Thanks for asking for a reply. After having gone through a 10 month trauma and two lawyers later yes dont use Me Lorenzie as she is a time waster and a money waster.. I think when they say if your Lawyer does not response to you, you should seriously take the hint. DO not go for the Measures de Protectrice Conjugale. YOU are better off trying to get it done via the courts yourself which is filing it. or use the easydivorce.ch I think they have been giving me free advise and they would sort it out latest 10weeks. So lastly dont ever send the Lawyers copies of the emails from you or your wife as its just a money making exercise for them no one seriously reads them it just costs you money. Once in court no one is interested no matter how abusive they get. Do not as the Lawyers say rubbing there hands yes please send me evidence of the email.. for what you should say. WHAT your now going to take me seriously with the abuse.. no they say just be calm and wait for when the court will see you.. right 10 months later.. no no no.. honestly its a joke this system in Swiss Geneva.. If your a European try and get something done in your own country as they put you down for not speaking french and try and rail road you into something which is not right. Be on your guard if you hire a Lawyer seriously. Just make sure you stick to what you want. If they try and diveate then make sure you revert back. ITS cost me 10,000ch for nothing seriously even the free Lawyer told me they are just making money off your horrible situation.. dont be fooled. It is a horrible time and you want things sorted out but just make it clear these are your objectives and this is my time line and really seriously ask for quotes of money upfront. They dont give advise for free unless its on the easydivorce.ch and they have given me such a nice response for the questions I asked them.


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Hi


I would try the www.easydivorce.ch. They seem very interested and will answer your questions very promptly. Try them first. I think you should see someone then maybe they can recommend someone but dont use Me Lorenzi, she seriously left out big chunks of advise once I got to court and then did not defend me. I had to do it on my own. Then she quit as she knew she had not put things in place. Then the Second Lawyer well he saw how desperate I was and followed on with no advice except to pay and to wait. While my husband annonced that his new girlfriend was pregnant and still the Judge did not want to let us seperate. Wait was there answer. Now my hubby has walked off with all the family allowance as we are not officially seperated and I did not get one month of Obliged monthly contributions which they say we are waiting for while my husband has access of on e month which was split into two weeks maximum. AND even when I asked for it to be supervised without Judgement nothing stands. SO be aware. 10 months later.. I have two young children 3 and 5 year old. My husband has been fighting with me in the street and so has his new girlfriend. no no no .. its all seriously bad and no one wants to help.

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I would try the www.easydivorce.ch. They seem very interested and will answer your questions very promptly. Try them first. I think you should see someone then maybe they can recommend someone but dont use Me Lorenzi, she seriously left out big chunks of advise once I got to court and then did not defend me. I had to do it on my own. Then she quit as she knew she had not put things in place. Then the Second Lawyer well he saw how desperate I was and followed on with no advice except to pay and to wait. While my husband annonced that his new girlfriend was pregnant and still the Judge did not want to let us seperate. Wait was there answer. Now my hubby has walked off with all the family allowance as we are not officially seperated and I did not get one month of Obliged monthly contributions which they say we are waiting for while my husband has access of on e month which was split into two weeks maximum. AND even when I asked for it to be supervised without Judgement nothing stands. SO be aware. 10 months later.. I have two young children 3 and 5 year old. My husband has been fighting with me in the street and so has his new girlfriend. no no no .. its all seriously bad and no one wants to help.


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Melle, Tea, 


You ladies had some bad personal experiences, but you're mixing your own personal stories with advice to others. The main advice you're giving is "trust no lawyer, and know that the system sucks". That's not really something that someone who is just starting the process can use. 


Some lawyers suck, some aspects of the system suck, but if you're getting a divorce here then you need to play by the system's rules, and it's likely you'll need a lawyer to help you with some aspects. 


Maybe more useful general advice would be:


- do your research well before selecting a lawyer


- don't trust your lawyer blindly cos the lawyer is also human with his/her own prioritires


- if the lawyer doesn't reply to you in time, or you have a bad feeling about them, change lawyer. Better to go through the pain of changing than to be stuck with a lawyer you don't trust.


- be ready for the system to take a long time to move, and be ready when the system doesn't get too excited when you tell them your case.


Yalla, good luck to all...


Nir


 


 


 

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Melle, Tea, 


You ladies had some bad personal experiences, but you're mixing your own personal stories with advice to others. The main advice you're giving is "trust no lawyer, and know that the system sucks". That's not really something that someone who is just starting the process can use. 


Some lawyers suck, some aspects of the system suck, but if you're getting a divorce here then you need to play by the system's rules, and it's likely you'll need a lawyer to help you with some aspects. 


Maybe more useful general advice would be:


- do your research well before selecting a lawyer


- don't trust your lawyer blindly cos the lawyer is also human with his/her own prioritires


- if the lawyer doesn't reply to you in time, or you have a bad feeling about them, change lawyer. Better to go through the pain of changing than to be stuck with a lawyer you don't trust.


- be ready for the system to take a long time to move, and be ready when the system doesn't get too excited when you tell them your case.


Yalla, good luck to all...


Nir


 


 


 


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there's useful info on this site from gva lawyers. i know nicolas personally--one of the lawyers responsible for offering this info and also experienced in divorce stuff--and he is a good guy and fluent english speaker. his contact details are on the site, see http://www.legalexpatgeneva.com 


 


bon courage! hope you get it all sorted out.

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there's useful info on this site from gva lawyers. i know nicolas personally--one of the lawyers responsible for offering this info and also experienced in divorce stuff--and he is a good guy and fluent english speaker. his contact details are on the site, see http://www.legalexpatgeneva.com 


 


bon courage! hope you get it all sorted out.


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FYI: Just noticed that i am recommending the same lawyer as Nir Ofek, i.e. Nicolas Mossaz. 


 


Good luck.

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FYI: Just noticed that i am recommending the same lawyer as Nir Ofek, i.e. Nicolas Mossaz. 


 


Good luck.


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Hi I went through the separation/divorce process from 2008-2011. But in the Canton of Bern. My 2 cents if it can be of any help.


I am not at attorney, and have no experience in canton Geneva. So you must consult your own attorney.


The positive aspects of the divorce process in Switzerland is that (so I've heard) only 10-15% of cases are high conflict, very expenses cases. The rest are settled by out of court agreements either worked on by mediators and approved by a judge, or worked with the parties before the judge. I suspect that the high conflict cases are when longer term spousal alimony, child support, child custody and high assets are involved and contested. But just the administratibe court costs can range (so I've heard) from CHF2000-4000 or more, depending. These are usully split if both parties are working.


I know a good mediation attorney in Canton Bern, who helped me a lot in the early stages of my separation, but who may have contacts in other Cantons. Mediation can often the less expensive, less stress option, if this is an option, please email me for the info.


1) research and pick your lawyer very carefully. As their success before judges (in court and out of court negotiations) is based often on their reputation and ability to know and work with judges to make an agreement before the judge is forced to decide.


2) court and legal expenses should not be an issue as if you dont have funds you can apply for a canton-sponsored attorney free of charge (you can often still pick the attorney). You may have to pay some back when you can.


3) be prepared for a longer than planned process. At best it could be for example 3-6 months agreeing to an out of court convention or partial convention, 3-6 months waiting for a court date, usually a 2nd court date a few months later...easily a year.


4) If one party is against the divorce for whatever reason, there is in most cantons I believe a 2-year living apart waiting period, which can drag it on even further. Usually this is done for financial gain by one party as pension funds and final alimony schedules (lasting up to 5 years) are only finalized at final divorce usually not separation. But this can have some benefit as usually the parties are a little more cool-headed and reasonable after 1-2 years separation then when the whole split and divorce goes down together, escpecially when young kids are involved, or new relationships.


5) On a more human note, it is important to recognize that your former spouse (husband or wife) once they have decided for a divorce have changed. (or maybe if you are leaving its their reaction) They may look, sound and act sometimes like they did doing your relationship but once they have engaged an attorney or perhaps are already involved with another relationship, many parts of them have changed. It's like someone switched out their person and your dealing with a stranger you don't recognize inside. It is important to recognize this and protect yourself accordingly. In the worst case it can be as if you were in a war and the enemy wants to take everything from you and destroy you emotionally, financially and healthwise. But they look like your former spouse. It's a really tough reality to adjust too but the sooner you do the better your chances of surviving and having something to move on with.


6) Also no matter what happens, stand by your own principles of behavior and if you can manage take the high ground, trying to show understanding, an appropriate level of kindness  and reasonableness while letting people carry the weight of the consequences of their own decisons. In the long-term this can really be a benefit in more ways than one.


IMPORTANT NOTE: Before someone gets too depressed, let me say again: two wage earners, separate bank accounts, separate pensions, no kids, no real estate, and a lot of the above doesn't apply and it can be a real cakewalk compared to other countries so I've heard.


I have a  list of additional tips but it's too much for this thread. But the main thing is I can share a good mediator in Canton Bern! (there I'm 100% back on topic, Nir, hope I did't overstep too bad!)


Hope to have helped someone!


Best


Peter



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Hi I went through the separation/divorce process from 2008-2011. But in the Canton of Bern. My 2 cents if it can be of any help.


I am not at attorney, and have no experience in canton Geneva. So you must consult your own attorney.


The positive aspects of the divorce process in Switzerland is that (so I've heard) only 10-15% of cases are high conflict, very expenses cases. The rest are settled by out of court agreements either worked on by mediators and approved by a judge, or worked with the parties before the judge. I suspect that the high conflict cases are when longer term spousal alimony, child support, child custody and high assets are involved and contested. But just the administratibe court costs can range (so I've heard) from CHF2000-4000 or more, depending. These are usully split if both parties are working.


I know a good mediation attorney in Canton Bern, who helped me a lot in the early stages of my separation, but who may have contacts in other Cantons. Mediation can often the less expensive, less stress option, if this is an option, please email me for the info.


1) research and pick your lawyer very carefully. As their success before judges (in court and out of court negotiations) is based often on their reputation and ability to know and work with judges to make an agreement before the judge is forced to decide.


2) court and legal expenses should not be an issue as if you dont have funds you can apply for a canton-sponsored attorney free of charge (you can often still pick the attorney). You may have to pay some back when you can.


3) be prepared for a longer than planned process. At best it could be for example 3-6 months agreeing to an out of court convention or partial convention, 3-6 months waiting for a court date, usually a 2nd court date a few months later...easily a year.


4) If one party is against the divorce for whatever reason, there is in most cantons I believe a 2-year living apart waiting period, which can drag it on even further. Usually this is done for financial gain by one party as pension funds and final alimony schedules (lasting up to 5 years) are only finalized at final divorce usually not separation. But this can have some benefit as usually the parties are a little more cool-headed and reasonable after 1-2 years separation then when the whole split and divorce goes down together, escpecially when young kids are involved, or new relationships.


5) On a more human note, it is important to recognize that your former spouse (husband or wife) once they have decided for a divorce have changed. (or maybe if you are leaving its their reaction) They may look, sound and act sometimes like they did doing your relationship but once they have engaged an attorney or perhaps are already involved with another relationship, many parts of them have changed. It's like someone switched out their person and your dealing with a stranger you don't recognize inside. It is important to recognize this and protect yourself accordingly. In the worst case it can be as if you were in a war and the enemy wants to take everything from you and destroy you emotionally, financially and healthwise. But they look like your former spouse. It's a really tough reality to adjust too but the sooner you do the better your chances of surviving and having something to move on with.


6) Also no matter what happens, stand by your own principles of behavior and if you can manage take the high ground, trying to show understanding, an appropriate level of kindness  and reasonableness while letting people carry the weight of the consequences of their own decisons. In the long-term this can really be a benefit in more ways than one.


IMPORTANT NOTE: Before someone gets too depressed, let me say again: two wage earners, separate bank accounts, separate pensions, no kids, no real estate, and a lot of the above doesn't apply and it can be a real cakewalk compared to other countries so I've heard.


I have a  list of additional tips but it's too much for this thread. But the main thing is I can share a good mediator in Canton Bern! (there I'm 100% back on topic, Nir, hope I did't overstep too bad!)


Hope to have helped someone!


Best


Peter


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PS. I posted the above for INFORMATION ONLY for those it may help. The intent is please not to respond and start up lengthy discussions of any of the complicated isses of divorce I may have touched upon. I would be very grateful if that didnt happen!!!! Thanks.

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Thanks Tea!


Ha, I just noticed the original post on this thread was more than 7 years ago?

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Thanks Tea!


Ha, I just noticed the original post on this thread was more than 7 years ago?


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Thanks Tea!

Ha, I just noticed the original post on this thread was more than 7 years ago?


Jul 19, 14 14:47

So maybe it’s time for a little reckoning.  Hands up if,


since this thread began,


you got married for the first time;


you subsequently divorced;


you re-married;


you divorced again.


Could provide some interesting reading.


R.

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So maybe it’s time for a little reckoning.  Hands up if,


since this thread began,


you got married for the first time;


you subsequently divorced;


you re-married;


you divorced again.


Could provide some interesting reading.


R.


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It's amazing how popular this thread has become, and it's now the #1 result on Google when searching for "Divorce Lawyer in Geneva". So about once each week I get an email from someone asking me about which lawyer I had in mind when I said I had a good one...(-;


So to save time, it's Nicolas at nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch


He's the only lawyer I met who speaks straight and to the point, and wants to get to a quick solution. Highly recommended. Speaks En and Fr.


Good luck!


 

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It's amazing how popular this thread has become, and it's now the #1 result on Google when searching for "Divorce Lawyer in Geneva". So about once each week I get an email from someone asking me about which lawyer I had in mind when I said I had a good one...(-;


So to save time, it's Nicolas at nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch


He's the only lawyer I met who speaks straight and to the point, and wants to get to a quick solution. Highly recommended. Speaks En and Fr.


Good luck!


 


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On the same topic, as of July 2014 the family law changed, and now joint authorisation over the kids is the standard process, for both married and non-married parents. The law also goes back retroactively for separations that happened earlier.


It's a reflection that the law makers believe that giving the authority to 1 parent is not a good idea (except in cases where there's a clear issue with 1 of the parents)


http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/geneve/story/Autorite-parentale--Geneve-prepare-la-transition-23740120

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On the same topic, as of July 2014 the family law changed, and now joint authorisation over the kids is the standard process, for both married and non-married parents. The law also goes back retroactively for separations that happened earlier.


It's a reflection that the law makers believe that giving the authority to 1 parent is not a good idea (except in cases where there's a clear issue with 1 of the parents)


http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/geneve/story/Autorite-parentale--Geneve-prepare-la-transition-23740120


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Topic about divorce creates questions about how to get divorced,get custody of kids,financila settlements.But to get a divorce attorney is always diffcult as they charge you heavily.Divorce cases make difference between couples and als have a adverse effect on children.Couples who intend to get divorced make their financial adjustments and then decide to hire a good divorce attorney.Divorce lawyer Hawthorne have get good results for many of their clients.Their reach to assure the couple about getting what they want from court as a result of their case is impressve.

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Topic about divorce creates questions about how to get divorced,get custody of kids,financila settlements.But to get a divorce attorney is always diffcult as they charge you heavily.Divorce cases make difference between couples and als have a adverse effect on children.Couples who intend to get divorced make their financial adjustments and then decide to hire a good divorce attorney.Divorce lawyer Hawthorne have get good results for many of their clients.Their reach to assure the couple about getting what they want from court as a result of their case is impressve.


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Anne: you realise this thread is about Geneva, and you recommended a lawyer (which is you) in the US?

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Anne: you realise this thread is about Geneva, and you recommended a lawyer (which is you) in the US?


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Geneva IL perhaps?

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Geneva IL perhaps?


Apr 30, 15 15:14

maybe, but the site she mentions is for a law firm in culver city, california. 


funny, as soon as I started reading her corporate-speak post, I knew it was someone working in a law firm...(-:


 

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maybe, but the site she mentions is for a law firm in culver city, california. 


funny, as soon as I started reading her corporate-speak post, I knew it was someone working in a law firm...(-:


 


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maybe, but the site she mentions is for a law firm in culver city, california. 

funny, as soon as I started reading her corporate-speak post, I knew it was someone working in a law firm...(-:

 


Apr 30, 15 15:19

Nir is this one of the longest running forums? 

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Nir is this one of the longest running forums? 


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maybe, but the site she mentions is for a law firm in culver city, california. 

funny, as soon as I started reading her corporate-speak post, I knew it was someone working in a law firm...(-:

 


Apr 30, 15 15:19

In other words, the post is an advertisement.


They must be desperate for clients to be touting in CH.


R.

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In other words, the post is an advertisement.


They must be desperate for clients to be touting in CH.


R.


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Nir is this one of the longest running forums? 


Apr 30, 15 16:09

Oonagh:


It's for the sure the thread i get most emails about. Without fail, once a week I get an email from someone asking me to recommend a divorce lawyer in Geneva. Sad but true...


 

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Oonagh:


It's for the sure the thread i get most emails about. Without fail, once a week I get an email from someone asking me to recommend a divorce lawyer in Geneva. Sad but true...


 


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Oonagh:

It's for the sure the thread i get most emails about. Without fail, once a week I get an email from someone asking me to recommend a divorce lawyer in Geneva. Sad but true...

 


May 1, 15 09:18

Nir, i am sure since it started there has been many a marriage and divorce :-( I will skip the marriage so no need for the divorce ;-)

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Nir, i am sure since it started there has been many a marriage and divorce :-( I will skip the marriage so no need for the divorce ;-)


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Quick update on the "joint authority" new law, since I just saw its application on myself:


The new law is 100% active from July 1 2014. It says the default for parents who seperate (whether married or not married) is joint authority on the kids. Either side can claim the law shouldn't apply because of extreme special cases, but then he/she needs to prove to the court these extreme cases exist (such as a parent on drugs, violence in the house, etc). 


The law can be applied retroactively for couples who seperated before July 2014. Ask your lawyer about the specifics. 


Nir


 


 

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Quick update on the "joint authority" new law, since I just saw its application on myself:


The new law is 100% active from July 1 2014. It says the default for parents who seperate (whether married or not married) is joint authority on the kids. Either side can claim the law shouldn't apply because of extreme special cases, but then he/she needs to prove to the court these extreme cases exist (such as a parent on drugs, violence in the house, etc). 


The law can be applied retroactively for couples who seperated before July 2014. Ask your lawyer about the specifics. 


Nir


 


 


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Please can you kindly let me know the name of the mediator, with contact details

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Please can you kindly let me know the name of the mediator, with contact details


May 3, 16 13:35

These guys are highly recommended by the Geneva social services:


http://www.astural.ch/index.php/antenne-de-mediation/qui-nous-sommes


Once you explain your situation to them, they'll allocate a specific mediator to you

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These guys are highly recommended by the Geneva social services:


http://www.astural.ch/index.php/antenne-de-mediation/qui-nous-sommes


Once you explain your situation to them, they'll allocate a specific mediator to you


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Sorry, I didn't read allEmbarassed


Anybody knows a lawyer who is specialized on a divorce with EU citizen? Because I know there is special law and maybe another rules.

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Sorry, I didn't read allEmbarassed


Anybody knows a lawyer who is specialized on a divorce with EU citizen? Because I know there is special law and maybe another rules.


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It's amazing how popular this thread has become, and it's now the #1 result on Google when searching for "Divorce Lawyer in Geneva". So about once each week I get an email from someone asking me about which lawyer I had in mind when I said I had a good one...(-;

So to save time, it's Nicolas at nicolas.mossaz@ochsnerassocies.ch

He's the only lawyer I met who speaks straight and to the point, and wants to get to a quick solution. Highly recommended. Speaks En and Fr.

Good luck!

 


Sep 21, 14 21:57

Does he work now? Does he know the law (the rules) for divorce with EU citizen?

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Does he work now? Does he know the law (the rules) for divorce with EU citizen?


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Does he work now? Does he know the law (the rules) for divorce with EU citizen?


Jul 29, 16 22:40

Anna:


Nicolas still works as a divorce lawyer. 


I don't know if he's also into EU law of Swiss law. Contact him and ask...


Nir

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Anna:


Nicolas still works as a divorce lawyer. 


I don't know if he's also into EU law of Swiss law. Contact him and ask...


Nir


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Does not speak English.

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Does not speak English.


Sep 11, 17 15:19

In reference to 


 


Etude de Me Stéphane REY


3, rue Michel-Chauvet CH - 1208 Genève

Tél: +41 (0)22.328.26.64 - Fax: +41 (0)22.328.26.65 

Natel 079 227 99 99

Website: www.rey-avocat-geneve.ch E-mail: rey@rey-avocat-geneve.ch



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In reference to 


 


Etude de Me Stéphane REY


3, rue Michel-Chauvet CH - 1208 Genève

Tél: +41 (0)22.328.26.64 - Fax: +41 (0)22.328.26.65 

Natel 079 227 99 99

Website: www.rey-avocat-geneve.ch E-mail: rey@rey-avocat-geneve.ch



Aharon Gottlieb Bodmer, Jan 7, 13 18:46


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In reference to 

 

Etude de Me Stéphane REY

3, rue Michel-Chauvet CH - 1208 Genève

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Aharon Gottlieb Bodmer, Jan 7, 13 18:46


Sep 11, 17 15:21

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Ritchie, Sep 11, 2017 @ 17:13
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Sep 11, 17 17:13

Yes. More accurately does not speak English to sufficient standard to effectively explain the complexities of separation and divorce to a non French speaker.

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Yes. More accurately does not speak English to sufficient standard to effectively explain the complexities of separation and divorce to a non French speaker.


Rade, Sep 11, 2017 @ 17:54
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Hello all,


I know it's been a while since the last post on this thred, but I was just wondering whether anyone has any recent reviews on one of the lawyers that was recommended here, Nicolas Mossaz, or has any other recommendations for a good divorce lawyer.


Thanks in advance!

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I know it's been a while since the last post on this thred, but I was just wondering whether anyone has any recent reviews on one of the lawyers that was recommended here, Nicolas Mossaz, or has any other recommendations for a good divorce lawyer.


Thanks in advance!


Rosa S, Apr 13, 2019 @ 19:09
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In this country lawyers are crooks!!! Better avoid them.

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In this country lawyers are crooks!!! Better avoid them.


georges p, Apr 13, 2019 @ 21:56
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I wish I could do it without a lawyer, but unfortunately, it's not possible!

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I wish I could do it without a lawyer, but unfortunately, it's not possible!


Rosa S, Apr 14, 2019 @ 11:05
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Nicolas Mossaz has been diligent, professional and attentive. The case is in court in end May. So far only on retainer amount so not sure final cost. Was told estimate 5k chf non contested to 10k chf contested including court fees.


Would recommend.

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Nicolas Mossaz has been diligent, professional and attentive. The case is in court in end May. So far only on retainer amount so not sure final cost. Was told estimate 5k chf non contested to 10k chf contested including court fees.


Would recommend.


Rade, Apr 17, 2019 @ 09:03
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