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Jul 12, 2011 @ 15:49

Since Clubhouse was closed this afternoon (why? no clear opening hours, no sign saying "we're on holiday") I ended up in Pickwick for a burger.


While I was eating I witnessed a fight between two staff members (a chef and a waitress). No blood was drawn but it was loud. The manager was standing right next to it saying that it was between the two staff members and he had nothing to do with it, while a few guests including myself were following the spectacle with interest.


I don't come there often, but from what I remember the staff were always native English speakers, always fun to chat with. Now there were 3 Russian girls walking around, providing the trademark Russian service-without-a-smile, seemingly unable to speak French and misunderstanding my English. Sure they were cute, and that's high on my list of priorities, but it shouldn't be the only criteria.


The chef was the one shouting loudest, telling one of the girls 'never to set foot in the kitchen again', complaining that the kitchen was understaffed, and threatening to quit. The manager seemed to be on his hand, though probably out of fear of losing his only chef.


Has there been some recent staff turnover? New management perhaps? The burger was fine but the atmosphere and service were clearly different from what I remember.

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Since Clubhouse was closed this afternoon (why? no clear opening hours, no sign saying "we're on holiday") I ended up in Pickwick for a burger.


While I was eating I witnessed a fight between two staff members (a chef and a waitress). No blood was drawn but it was loud. The manager was standing right next to it saying that it was between the two staff members and he had nothing to do with it, while a few guests including myself were following the spectacle with interest.


I don't come there often, but from what I remember the staff were always native English speakers, always fun to chat with. Now there were 3 Russian girls walking around, providing the trademark Russian service-without-a-smile, seemingly unable to speak French and misunderstanding my English. Sure they were cute, and that's high on my list of priorities, but it shouldn't be the only criteria.


The chef was the one shouting loudest, telling one of the girls 'never to set foot in the kitchen again', complaining that the kitchen was understaffed, and threatening to quit. The manager seemed to be on his hand, though probably out of fear of losing his only chef.


Has there been some recent staff turnover? New management perhaps? The burger was fine but the atmosphere and service were clearly different from what I remember.


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Jul 12, 2011 @ 16:12

Russian waitresses you say.......cute you say???........ ah haaa.... as long as the beer was cold, and the eyecandy respectable, and you dont have the shits from the food, and the floorshow was entertaining... sounds like a good lunch... could have been worse.


 


(Clubhouse should have been open...according to its website... only on mondays it opens at 5pm, the rest its midday till close.)


 


 

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Russian waitresses you say.......cute you say???........ ah haaa.... as long as the beer was cold, and the eyecandy respectable, and you dont have the shits from the food, and the floorshow was entertaining... sounds like a good lunch... could have been worse.


 


(Clubhouse should have been open...according to its website... only on mondays it opens at 5pm, the rest its midday till close.)


 


 


Charlie, Jul 12, 2011 @ 16:12
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 18:45

Since Clubhouse was closed this afternoon (why? no clear opening hours, no sign saying "we're on holiday") I ended up in Pickwick for a burger.

While I was eating I witnessed a fight between two staff members (a chef and a waitress). No blood was drawn but it was loud. The manager was standing right next to it saying that it was between the two staff members and he had nothing to do with it, while a few guests including myself were following the spectacle with interest.

I don't come there often, but from what I remember the staff were always native English speakers, always fun to chat with. Now there were 3 Russian girls walking around, providing the trademark Russian service-without-a-smile, seemingly unable to speak French and misunderstanding my English. Sure they were cute, and that's high on my list of priorities, but it shouldn't be the only criteria.

The chef was the one shouting loudest, telling one of the girls 'never to set foot in the kitchen again', complaining that the kitchen was understaffed, and threatening to quit. The manager seemed to be on his hand, though probably out of fear of losing his only chef.

Has there been some recent staff turnover? New management perhaps? The burger was fine but the atmosphere and service were clearly different from what I remember.


Jul 12, 11 15:49

In February I noticed two russian bartenders, yes, they looked not so friendly and discussed clients between each other...


"trademark Russian service-without-a-smile" - you think it's only happening in Russia? For me honestly, this note does look rude

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In February I noticed two russian bartenders, yes, they looked not so friendly and discussed clients between each other...


"trademark Russian service-without-a-smile" - you think it's only happening in Russia? For me honestly, this note does look rude


Onis, Jul 12, 2011 @ 18:45
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 22:03

Unfortunately I experience the "russian service-without-a-smile" trademark everytime I go to eastern countries (except Hungary). In Bratislava I had so many traumatising experiences that now I am frankly afraid to approach a cashier or a seller. Goa (in India) is invaded by Russians, and the local people had to demonstrate, for the first time in their live, against their very agressive and thretening behaviour. Now, we are invaded too .....

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Unfortunately I experience the "russian service-without-a-smile" trademark everytime I go to eastern countries (except Hungary). In Bratislava I had so many traumatising experiences that now I am frankly afraid to approach a cashier or a seller. Goa (in India) is invaded by Russians, and the local people had to demonstrate, for the first time in their live, against their very agressive and thretening behaviour. Now, we are invaded too .....


Sumanita, Jul 12, 2011 @ 22:03
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 22:57

Oh la la, is it thread about staff in Pickwicks or about bad russians? Cool


Europe, there is a thread "Travel", you can post your bad experience there at any time and got lots of responses.

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Oh la la, is it thread about staff in Pickwicks or about bad russians? Cool


Europe, there is a thread "Travel", you can post your bad experience there at any time and got lots of responses.


Onis, Jul 12, 2011 @ 22:57
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:09

Undecided This post is just pathetic.


 "Russian service-without-a-smile" .? Are you f***ing kidding me, Edward? How can 2 dumb waitresses just make your mind on all of the russians? don`t you think this is offending?

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Undecided This post is just pathetic.


 "Russian service-without-a-smile" .? Are you f***ing kidding me, Edward? How can 2 dumb waitresses just make your mind on all of the russians? don`t you think this is offending?


Yana Koshevaya, Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:09
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:39

Undecided This post is just pathetic.

 "Russian service-without-a-smile" .? Are you f***ing kidding me, Edward? How can 2 dumb waitresses just make your mind on all of the russians? don`t you think this is offending?


Jul 12, 11 23:09

Hi Yana,


I'm sorry if my post offended you, that was not my intention. There are many things I love about Russia and Russians; for one I am married to a gorgeous Russian woman.


However, based on my experience, including living in Russia (Moscow) for about 5 years, Russian service employees (waiters/waitresses, shop attendants, etc.) rarely smile when they serve you. In contrast, in many Western European countries it is common for a service provider and a customer to smile to each other.I hope that you understand what I am talking about, and that I didn't write this down to offend anyone.


But frankly what bothered me in this case is that the girls seemed to be completely uninterested in me; they barely noticed that I was at the table, were just chatting amongst themselves (about other customers - I speak Russian well enough to understand).


"смех без причины признак дурачины"

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Hi Yana,


I'm sorry if my post offended you, that was not my intention. There are many things I love about Russia and Russians; for one I am married to a gorgeous Russian woman.


However, based on my experience, including living in Russia (Moscow) for about 5 years, Russian service employees (waiters/waitresses, shop attendants, etc.) rarely smile when they serve you. In contrast, in many Western European countries it is common for a service provider and a customer to smile to each other.I hope that you understand what I am talking about, and that I didn't write this down to offend anyone.


But frankly what bothered me in this case is that the girls seemed to be completely uninterested in me; they barely noticed that I was at the table, were just chatting amongst themselves (about other customers - I speak Russian well enough to understand).


"смех без причины признак дурачины"


Edward B, Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:39
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:49

You didn`t offend me particullary. You speak of the things that cause talk about "The Great Invasion Of Russians To Geneva "(it is a bit funny , but still...). By just 1 single frase you have changed the topic of your post . And you know about which one exactly am i talking. 


I am very happy for you and your wife and i think she will explain to you , that Netherlands or Switzerland dont share the same culture or traditions  with Russia. And she also might explain to you why i think that this is more than innapropriate. 


As i already said - "2 waitresses in a bar"  doesn`t seem to be a good enough topic to be talking about. If i was your wife i would be interessted why you are still thinking about them )


Or maybe it was your big but tender ego wounded . Mine would be if 2 girls didn`t give a crap about me.


" в чужом глазу соринку видят, а в своем бревна не замечают"


 


Oh , almost forgot , apology accepted ))

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You didn`t offend me particullary. You speak of the things that cause talk about "The Great Invasion Of Russians To Geneva "(it is a bit funny , but still...). By just 1 single frase you have changed the topic of your post . And you know about which one exactly am i talking. 


I am very happy for you and your wife and i think she will explain to you , that Netherlands or Switzerland dont share the same culture or traditions  with Russia. And she also might explain to you why i think that this is more than innapropriate. 


As i already said - "2 waitresses in a bar"  doesn`t seem to be a good enough topic to be talking about. If i was your wife i would be interessted why you are still thinking about them )


Or maybe it was your big but tender ego wounded . Mine would be if 2 girls didn`t give a crap about me.


" в чужом глазу соринку видят, а в своем бревна не замечают"


 


Oh , almost forgot , apology accepted ))


Yana Koshevaya, Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:49
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Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:54

Russian Female wrestling at the Pickwick !?


Hum..! Sexy Kiss


Btw, "one swallow does not make a summer"


Two neither!


Cool

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Russian Female wrestling at the Pickwick !?


Hum..! Sexy Kiss


Btw, "one swallow does not make a summer"


Two neither!


Cool


chronos, Jul 12, 2011 @ 23:54
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 00:59

@edward i've been going to PW for 2-3 years and I can't remember a time when they *didn't* have a russian-speaking waitress. I have never had anything but smiles from the bar staff, even at the end of an 8-hour shift or whatever.


The food is varied. The managers can be a bit odd, but cold beer and fun people makes it a reasonable place to be.


Now, pub staff arguing at each other?!? clearly the exception, not the rule, but the manager who said it had nothing to do with the pub has no concept. Those two are the faces that people associate with the pub and so arguing *must* be prohibited, especially in public.


 

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@edward i've been going to PW for 2-3 years and I can't remember a time when they *didn't* have a russian-speaking waitress. I have never had anything but smiles from the bar staff, even at the end of an 8-hour shift or whatever.


The food is varied. The managers can be a bit odd, but cold beer and fun people makes it a reasonable place to be.


Now, pub staff arguing at each other?!? clearly the exception, not the rule, but the manager who said it had nothing to do with the pub has no concept. Those two are the faces that people associate with the pub and so arguing *must* be prohibited, especially in public.


 


Zonker, Jul 13, 2011 @ 00:59
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 09:04

Doesn't matter of the race or nationality but it is annoying when people don't do their job right and there are so many bad cases in hospitality.


In this case a  manager should be fired because he needs to take care of his emloyees and that everything works just perfect and he should be an example how you need to do your job.


Most important thing, manager (a term that is so easily used as a title) should tell his employees what is important in specific job, what needs to be done and in a case if it's not done there are certain consenquences.


I mean if I work hard and go our for a drink or a meal I expect my spoon or a glass to be clean because I'm paying for it. I understand nothing is perfect and people make mistakes but hey, if you're not doing your job well and you're just too bothered, then there are other people willing to work and do a better job.


As for annoying, faceless and smileless employees I've seen in various countries, from UK, Austria, France, Switzerland, Holland, Slovenia and even in my home-country Croatia. Ignorant people are everywhere but I put my focus on smiley faces.


And again, bad service comes from a bad manager.

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Doesn't matter of the race or nationality but it is annoying when people don't do their job right and there are so many bad cases in hospitality.


In this case a  manager should be fired because he needs to take care of his emloyees and that everything works just perfect and he should be an example how you need to do your job.


Most important thing, manager (a term that is so easily used as a title) should tell his employees what is important in specific job, what needs to be done and in a case if it's not done there are certain consenquences.


I mean if I work hard and go our for a drink or a meal I expect my spoon or a glass to be clean because I'm paying for it. I understand nothing is perfect and people make mistakes but hey, if you're not doing your job well and you're just too bothered, then there are other people willing to work and do a better job.


As for annoying, faceless and smileless employees I've seen in various countries, from UK, Austria, France, Switzerland, Holland, Slovenia and even in my home-country Croatia. Ignorant people are everywhere but I put my focus on smiley faces.


And again, bad service comes from a bad manager.


Vedra H, Jul 13, 2011 @ 09:04
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 10:22

There is a Russian saying that there is no such thing as an ugly women only bad (or not enough) vodka.  I am sure that this could be equally applied to non smiling bar staff and beer.


Your only valid reason for complaint is if these unsmiling females ignored you when you asked for beer thus preventing you from drinking them into smiling beauties.


Sorry no cyrillic script on my keyboard


'nyet khoroshykh zhenschin, tol'ko nedostatok vodki'


 

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There is a Russian saying that there is no such thing as an ugly women only bad (or not enough) vodka.  I am sure that this could be equally applied to non smiling bar staff and beer.


Your only valid reason for complaint is if these unsmiling females ignored you when you asked for beer thus preventing you from drinking them into smiling beauties.


Sorry no cyrillic script on my keyboard


'nyet khoroshykh zhenschin, tol'ko nedostatok vodki'


 


Paul E, Jul 13, 2011 @ 10:22
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 11:24

Undecided This post is just pathetic.

 "Russian service-without-a-smile" .? Are you f***ing kidding me, Edward? How can 2 dumb waitresses just make your mind on all of the russians? don`t you think this is offending?


Jul 12, 11 23:09

One of the waitresses there is also called Yana humm humm... Wink

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One of the waitresses there is also called Yana humm humm... Wink


catalin, Jul 13, 2011 @ 11:24
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 12:40


Hahahaha brilliant, although a sweeping generalisation, i generally agree!



Service with a smile wouldnt hurt, lets not keep it specificly to piwi's. Geneva tends to lack service with a smile and infact good service... Halle de ille topping the bill!

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Hahahaha brilliant, although a sweeping generalisation, i generally agree!



Service with a smile wouldnt hurt, lets not keep it specificly to piwi's. Geneva tends to lack service with a smile and infact good service... Halle de ille topping the bill!


peaky, Jul 13, 2011 @ 12:40
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 13:27

Hahahaha brilliant, although a sweeping generalisation, i generally agree!

Service with a smile wouldnt hurt, lets not keep it specificly to piwi's. Geneva tends to lack service with a smile and infact good service... Halle de ille topping the bill!


Jul 13, 11 12:40

agreed. customer service seems to be about as tangible and real a concept in geneva as flying pigs wearing raybans..  halle de l'ille does rank in the top 5 for sure, i've waited 40 mins for a drink there before and when i expressed the fact i was irritated at being ignored for almost an hour i'm told that I am the one who is rude. 


they often seem to forget which party is the customer here, and often you feel like you're the one who's done something wrong! 

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agreed. customer service seems to be about as tangible and real a concept in geneva as flying pigs wearing raybans..  halle de l'ille does rank in the top 5 for sure, i've waited 40 mins for a drink there before and when i expressed the fact i was irritated at being ignored for almost an hour i'm told that I am the one who is rude. 


they often seem to forget which party is the customer here, and often you feel like you're the one who's done something wrong! 


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 14:25

stop focussing on the Russian waitresses, and focus on "why" clubhouse was closed... thats more of a disaster in my book.


Bars with crap service number many in Geneva, ditto stores, and restaurants and cafes... seeing as these places are the pinnacle of the client "service" pyramid, where in a normal city it is imperative to maintain high standards in order to retain clients...I am suprised so many remain open.... however we are a captive audience here, and despite knowing its going to take me 20 to 40 mins to buy a drink at halles des Iles, i still go there,,,and so do hundreds of other people... shame on me were it any other city...shame on them for not trying harder... 

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stop focussing on the Russian waitresses, and focus on "why" clubhouse was closed... thats more of a disaster in my book.


Bars with crap service number many in Geneva, ditto stores, and restaurants and cafes... seeing as these places are the pinnacle of the client "service" pyramid, where in a normal city it is imperative to maintain high standards in order to retain clients...I am suprised so many remain open.... however we are a captive audience here, and despite knowing its going to take me 20 to 40 mins to buy a drink at halles des Iles, i still go there,,,and so do hundreds of other people... shame on me were it any other city...shame on them for not trying harder... 


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 15:37

agreed. customer service seems to be about as tangible and real a concept in geneva as flying pigs wearing raybans..  halle de l'ille does rank in the top 5 for sure, i've waited 40 mins for a drink there before and when i expressed the fact i was irritated at being ignored for almost an hour i'm told that I am the one who is rude. 

they often seem to forget which party is the customer here, and often you feel like you're the one who's done something wrong! 


Jul 13, 11 13:27

(note to self: Start a forum-thread about customer service in Geneva or how to become an obedient client to deserve attention from local otc sales staff)

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(note to self: Start a forum-thread about customer service in Geneva or how to become an obedient client to deserve attention from local otc sales staff)


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 15:45

the waitresses should be punished in favour of the clientelle... they should be made to serve topless for a week... that woudl teach em...and bring in some more custom...


 

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the waitresses should be punished in favour of the clientelle... they should be made to serve topless for a week... that woudl teach em...and bring in some more custom...


 


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 15:48

the waitresses should be punished in favour of the clientelle... they should be made to serve topless for a week... that woudl teach em...and bring in some more custom...

 


Jul 13, 11 15:45

Should they decide to carry out your suggested 'punishment' I have a feeling this would be you're reaction on walking in! Ding dong!

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Should they decide to carry out your suggested 'punishment' I have a feeling this would be you're reaction on walking in! Ding dong!


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 15:57

Should they decide to carry out your suggested 'punishment' I have a feeling this would be you're reaction on walking in! Ding dong!


Jul 13, 11 15:48

depends on the view matey...

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depends on the view matey...


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 15:59

hey - some bar staff in Geneva have been known to provide exceptional service...


those were the days... not it's all working for a living and staring longingly at bars asi leave the offce well after most of them are closed... *sigh*


Worst service is Qurinale... althogh they do take great pains to point out that they serve overpriced drinks in pre-frosted glasses... excuse me whilst i take out my cheque book to tip them!!

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hey - some bar staff in Geneva have been known to provide exceptional service...


those were the days... not it's all working for a living and staring longingly at bars asi leave the offce well after most of them are closed... *sigh*


Worst service is Qurinale... althogh they do take great pains to point out that they serve overpriced drinks in pre-frosted glasses... excuse me whilst i take out my cheque book to tip them!!


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 16:37

I would have said the Sovietic service without a smile (sorry for the pleonasm). I talk by travel experience in Russia about those women who gives you for free a very bad look and do not smile like Goulag guardian, because they were so influenced by the f*** communism, that makes a big border between the group of russian influenced by the bad soviet culture (be rude, be competitive, blablabla) and the one like my family who left Russia before revolution, that were educate in another way. (They wanted to kill us but f*** to them we are alive)


I'm not affraid to have these words, because when that kind of things happen, people reported me because i have russian name, and i'm tired to hear this


Not all russian women are like them. Many are nices, smiling and educated and work hard, I also saw that in Russia, but yes it is not the majority.


Another thing that I defenetely hate about Soviet influences : the women who knock at the door when you are in toilets to hurry up despite you are in from a few seconds (and not a few minutes and a few hours) ; Worse than rude, stupid.

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I would have said the Sovietic service without a smile (sorry for the pleonasm). I talk by travel experience in Russia about those women who gives you for free a very bad look and do not smile like Goulag guardian, because they were so influenced by the f*** communism, that makes a big border between the group of russian influenced by the bad soviet culture (be rude, be competitive, blablabla) and the one like my family who left Russia before revolution, that were educate in another way. (They wanted to kill us but f*** to them we are alive)


I'm not affraid to have these words, because when that kind of things happen, people reported me because i have russian name, and i'm tired to hear this


Not all russian women are like them. Many are nices, smiling and educated and work hard, I also saw that in Russia, but yes it is not the majority.


Another thing that I defenetely hate about Soviet influences : the women who knock at the door when you are in toilets to hurry up despite you are in from a few seconds (and not a few minutes and a few hours) ; Worse than rude, stupid.


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Jul 13, 2011 @ 16:48

My initial reason for this thread was that I saw a fight at Pickwick and that the service wasn't as friendly as I remembered. Funny to see it develop into a thread about service in Geneva in general (and topless waitresses, thanks to Charlie).


Keep it going, but let me rephrase my original question: What has happened to the friendly native-English-speaking staff at Pickwick? Are they gone, or only there in the evenings?


Another thing still unresolved: why was Clubhouse closed?>

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My initial reason for this thread was that I saw a fight at Pickwick and that the service wasn't as friendly as I remembered. Funny to see it develop into a thread about service in Geneva in general (and topless waitresses, thanks to Charlie).


Keep it going, but let me rephrase my original question: What has happened to the friendly native-English-speaking staff at Pickwick? Are they gone, or only there in the evenings?


Another thing still unresolved: why was Clubhouse closed?>


Edward B, Jul 13, 2011 @ 16:48
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Jul 13, 2011 @ 18:53

My initial reason for this thread was that I saw a fight at Pickwick and that the service wasn't as friendly as I remembered. Funny to see it develop into a thread about service in Geneva in general (and topless waitresses, thanks to Charlie).

Keep it going, but let me rephrase my original question: What has happened to the friendly native-English-speaking staff at Pickwick? Are they gone, or only there in the evenings?

Another thing still unresolved: why was Clubhouse closed?>


Jul 13, 11 16:48

the friendly staff were beaten up in the previous bouts the weeks before during which the weekly 'UFC- bar staff' matches took place. The final will take place in 2 weeks time once the staff has beaten itself down to only 2 remaining employees/competitors and will be shown on pay-per-view on all major sports networks. Don King is rumoured to be promoting this final match.


 


as for clubhouse- they had to close as pickwicks' normal bookies were out wakeboarding in the sunshine, and so clubhouse's staff were called in to take all the punter's bets.


or so i've heard anyway..


 

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the friendly staff were beaten up in the previous bouts the weeks before during which the weekly 'UFC- bar staff' matches took place. The final will take place in 2 weeks time once the staff has beaten itself down to only 2 remaining employees/competitors and will be shown on pay-per-view on all major sports networks. Don King is rumoured to be promoting this final match.


 


as for clubhouse- they had to close as pickwicks' normal bookies were out wakeboarding in the sunshine, and so clubhouse's staff were called in to take all the punter's bets.


or so i've heard anyway..


 


G___, Jul 13, 2011 @ 18:53
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