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Dear all,


We had to end our lease in Geneva due to personal circumstances. One of them being my change in jobs and having to move to another country, to second reason being that my flatmate, who was supposed to keep the apartment, died in an unfortunate climbing accident and left his family with the heritage of a lease in Geneva. 


Me and the family immediately filed the letter canceling our lease and proposed three new candidates that would take the lease under the same conditions, since we only gave them one month instead of three. They told us by phone that this was OK and I should not worry, but meanwhile many weeks have passed without having heard anything back from them. No letter, no date for a move-out inspection, nothing.


This morning an angry man called me saying he was standing in front of my door, and to ask whether I was home for the pre-visit (before the etat de lieu). I was at work and was unaware of that they were coming, so I proposed a new date, which unleashed a further rage. I called to ask what the purpose of the pre-visit was. His colleague was saying "you want to leave the apartment, right? we have to make a pre-visit". Not really an answer, it seemed dodgy, but since we are on a short timescale here I do not want to make a problem.


They are now coming two weeks before the final move-out inspection, so it really puzzles me. Why not wait until the final inspection? Does anyone have experience with regies making pre-visits? Why would they do that? 


Thanks,


Marco

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Dear all,


We had to end our lease in Geneva due to personal circumstances. One of them being my change in jobs and having to move to another country, to second reason being that my flatmate, who was supposed to keep the apartment, died in an unfortunate climbing accident and left his family with the heritage of a lease in Geneva. 


Me and the family immediately filed the letter canceling our lease and proposed three new candidates that would take the lease under the same conditions, since we only gave them one month instead of three. They told us by phone that this was OK and I should not worry, but meanwhile many weeks have passed without having heard anything back from them. No letter, no date for a move-out inspection, nothing.


This morning an angry man called me saying he was standing in front of my door, and to ask whether I was home for the pre-visit (before the etat de lieu). I was at work and was unaware of that they were coming, so I proposed a new date, which unleashed a further rage. I called to ask what the purpose of the pre-visit was. His colleague was saying "you want to leave the apartment, right? we have to make a pre-visit". Not really an answer, it seemed dodgy, but since we are on a short timescale here I do not want to make a problem.


They are now coming two weeks before the final move-out inspection, so it really puzzles me. Why not wait until the final inspection? Does anyone have experience with regies making pre-visits? Why would they do that? 


Thanks,


Marco


Marco vJun 10, 2015 @ 14:24
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Hi there:


Regies sometimes make these inspection visits to see if anything needs to be done before the final inspection and hand over of the keys.


This is generally not a problem. I once helped a friend with this and I had to help her find a replacement filter for the cooker before the final sign off.


In any case, after the pre-inspection is completed, do not sign anything that might be called 'a convention de sortie' without getting advice from the renters' association ASLOCA or a lawyer. Some regies may try to get the renter to fix something that is covered under normal use.


In addition, you want to confirm everything you do with the regie in writing so that you are covered. Best of luck with your move.


 


http://www.asloca.ch/asloca-genève


 


 

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Hi there:


Regies sometimes make these inspection visits to see if anything needs to be done before the final inspection and hand over of the keys.


This is generally not a problem. I once helped a friend with this and I had to help her find a replacement filter for the cooker before the final sign off.


In any case, after the pre-inspection is completed, do not sign anything that might be called 'a convention de sortie' without getting advice from the renters' association ASLOCA or a lawyer. Some regies may try to get the renter to fix something that is covered under normal use.


In addition, you want to confirm everything you do with the regie in writing so that you are covered. Best of luck with your move.


 


http://www.asloca.ch/asloca-genève


 


 


Translator, Jun 11, 2015 @ 08:09
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Hi Marco,


Further to Translator infos, please be aware that if your previous flatmate was also listed on the lease, his/her family heirs should be formerly informed of the preliminary moving-out inspection.Should the flatmate not listed, you are then fully liable for so called abusive wear & tear and therefore assistance of a professional councellor (lawyer or Asloca) is recommended. Prepare your move with upmost care.

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Hi Marco,


Further to Translator infos, please be aware that if your previous flatmate was also listed on the lease, his/her family heirs should be formerly informed of the preliminary moving-out inspection.Should the flatmate not listed, you are then fully liable for so called abusive wear & tear and therefore assistance of a professional councellor (lawyer or Asloca) is recommended. Prepare your move with upmost care.


Milord, Jun 11, 2015 @ 20:08
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Hey everyone,


some advice. It is worthed always proceed in writing with regies and also require answers in writing. Email being usually accepted you have time to consider the events and the requests if any while having a good excuse to prepare your reply, further to not being french mother tongue. Prevent misunderstanding is also a sacred rule.


Good luck with the move.

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Hey everyone,


some advice. It is worthed always proceed in writing with regies and also require answers in writing. Email being usually accepted you have time to consider the events and the requests if any while having a good excuse to prepare your reply, further to not being french mother tongue. Prevent misunderstanding is also a sacred rule.


Good luck with the move.


alfi K, Jun 11, 2015 @ 20:26
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Dear all,


Thank you for your good advice. Indeed the inspection was a very interested event, the guy from the regie came in with the concierge of the building to inspect my apartment. 


My eyes have been opened to how many things can be wrong about my apartment, things I had never seen before. He almost seemed to get pleasure out of pointing things out for me to fix. I always kept my own living space in perfect shape, but there are unfortunately many things in the other rooms that need fixing, especially some scratches in the wallpaper, the filter above the stove, the silicone sealant in the shower?! I find it ridiculous that the tenant is held responsible for all of this, since one can always expect normal usage of an apartment.


Can anyone recommend me a handyman to fix the wallpaper? 


Kind regards,


Marco

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Dear all,


Thank you for your good advice. Indeed the inspection was a very interested event, the guy from the regie came in with the concierge of the building to inspect my apartment. 


My eyes have been opened to how many things can be wrong about my apartment, things I had never seen before. He almost seemed to get pleasure out of pointing things out for me to fix. I always kept my own living space in perfect shape, but there are unfortunately many things in the other rooms that need fixing, especially some scratches in the wallpaper, the filter above the stove, the silicone sealant in the shower?! I find it ridiculous that the tenant is held responsible for all of this, since one can always expect normal usage of an apartment.


Can anyone recommend me a handyman to fix the wallpaper? 


Kind regards,


Marco


Marco v, Jun 15, 2015 @ 14:05
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