Absolutely it still make sense. It makes sense for all the population, women and men, because we are talking not only about equal rights (not granted everywhere in the world) and equal consideration (not granted anywhere in the world), but about the right, for everybody, to decide what is his/her own style of life (respecting legals and ethical issues). To be a feminist, here and now, means to say we are born with an open future, our role is not written; our careers, or family choices are not predetermined, not by gender, not by religion, not by nationality, but are ours to choice, following our convinctions. Example: Why a boy can't choose to became classical dancer without any other implication that he likes to dance? Because this is not considered the "classical" job for men. This is what I mean when I say that feminism makes sense for all the population.
Absolutely it still make sense. It makes sense for all the population, women and men, because we are talking not only about equal rights (not granted everywhere in the world) and equal consideration (not granted anywhere in the world), but about the right, for everybody, to decide what is his/her own style of life (respecting legals and ethical issues). To be a feminist, here and now, means to say we are born with an open future, our role is not written; our careers, or family choices are not predetermined, not by gender, not by religion, not by nationality, but are ours to choice, following our convinctions. Example: Why a boy can't choose to became classical dancer without any other implication that he likes to dance? Because this is not considered the "classical" job for men. This is what I mean when I say that feminism makes sense for all the population.
Anna Perazzolo, Mar 18, 2012 @ 08:17
Your post is quite interesting Anna.When I was asking these questions I was thinking about the west, however it's true that in many parts of the world women are deprived of their dignity as human beings and their life conditions should be greatly improved as well as their legal situation.Do you thing that in our countries it is still diffult for women to choose a career?The problem is not in terms of choice but in terms of consideration, in many companies in my country women are paid 20% less than men and when they're pregnant they're ofen dismissed or when they are on age of having children they are not given some positions in companies.In this respect feminism and the struggle for the same rights as men makes sense.However if we focus on the private relationships between men and women I think it's obsolete, it no longer makes sense.
Your post is quite interesting Anna.When I was asking these questions I was thinking about the west, however it's true that in many parts of the world women are deprived of their dignity as human beings and their life conditions should be greatly improved as well as their legal situation.Do you thing that in our countries it is still diffult for women to choose a career?The problem is not in terms of choice but in terms of consideration, in many companies in my country women are paid 20% less than men and when they're pregnant they're ofen dismissed or when they are on age of having children they are not given some positions in companies.In this respect feminism and the struggle for the same rights as men makes sense.However if we focus on the private relationships between men and women I think it's obsolete, it no longer makes sense.
Celia l, Mar 18, 2012 @ 08:49
Feminism as a movement is absolutely relevant. I think what is really important now in 2012 is to learn from decades of organised resistance: the few who choose to stand up and question authority cannot afford to atomise themselves by defining themselves exclusively as 'feminists' or 'gay rights activists' or 'anarchists' or whatever! There is a very small pool of talented intelligent people who are also brave enough to think criticially about structures of power and take action. i think the black panther hero fred hampton is a good example. he was ruthlessly assassinated by the U.S. Government for having the temerity to point out that black people in America were being treated like human effluent. But Mr. Hampton, who was a true leader, had the brains to organise a rainbow coalition of resistance which brought together a whole kaleidoscope of ethnically defined political groups who shared a passion for dissent. It sounds dark, it is dark! But look at who gets killed by power, it's always the men and women who start unifying disenfranchised people.
So to sum up I think feminism is brilliant, I consider myself to be a feminist, but not just a feminist! Even someone who devoted their life to the development of one cause, like Mr. Hampton, understood that he needed to plug into the bedrock of shared human consciousness in order to transcend the dividing walls erected in society by unchallenged authority.
Feminism as a movement is absolutely relevant. I think what is really important now in 2012 is to learn from decades of organised resistance: the few who choose to stand up and question authority cannot afford to atomise themselves by defining themselves exclusively as 'feminists' or 'gay rights activists' or 'anarchists' or whatever! There is a very small pool of talented intelligent people who are also brave enough to think criticially about structures of power and take action. i think the black panther hero fred hampton is a good example. he was ruthlessly assassinated by the U.S. Government for having the temerity to point out that black people in America were being treated like human effluent. But Mr. Hampton, who was a true leader, had the brains to organise a rainbow coalition of resistance which brought together a whole kaleidoscope of ethnically defined political groups who shared a passion for dissent. It sounds dark, it is dark! But look at who gets killed by power, it's always the men and women who start unifying disenfranchised people.
So to sum up I think feminism is brilliant, I consider myself to be a feminist, but not just a feminist! Even someone who devoted their life to the development of one cause, like Mr. Hampton, understood that he needed to plug into the bedrock of shared human consciousness in order to transcend the dividing walls erected in society by unchallenged authority.
manics1984, Mar 18, 2012 @ 13:42
For the non Western world, women's rights are a major issue that deserve major focus.
For most of the Western developed world, while there's still lots of progress to be made (especially on the professional side, as Celia suggested), Women's right have made huge strides in the right direction, and I think other issues are now more pressing.
For the non Western world, women's rights are a major issue that deserve major focus.
For most of the Western developed world, while there's still lots of progress to be made (especially on the professional side, as Celia suggested), Women's right have made huge strides in the right direction, and I think other issues are now more pressing.
Nir Ofek, Mar 18, 2012 @ 14:57
Given that a young women (Sandra Fluke) was branded a 'slut' and a 'prostitute' by rush limbaugh for defending the right to women's healthcare and that this hateful language was NOT condemned by the three leading republican presidential candidates in the most powerful country in the world proves to me that that Old Testament misogyny is still alive and well in our culture. In my opinion nothing could be more pressing than defending an innocent person's good name and reputation.
Given that a young women (Sandra Fluke) was branded a 'slut' and a 'prostitute' by rush limbaugh for defending the right to women's healthcare and that this hateful language was NOT condemned by the three leading republican presidential candidates in the most powerful country in the world proves to me that that Old Testament misogyny is still alive and well in our culture. In my opinion nothing could be more pressing than defending an innocent person's good name and reputation.
manics1984, Mar 18, 2012 @ 16:00
Thank you Nir and Manics I'm very happy and proud to have the opinion of men on a thread about feminism.You're right Nir other issues are more pressing however as manics has pointed out in his post misoginy still exists and is deeply rooted in our culture.Careena I agree with you, we often consider that women have the same rights as men but equality is certainly not achieved, especially in the workplace.
Thank you Nir and Manics I'm very happy and proud to have the opinion of men on a thread about feminism.You're right Nir other issues are more pressing however as manics has pointed out in his post misoginy still exists and is deeply rooted in our culture.Careena I agree with you, we often consider that women have the same rights as men but equality is certainly not achieved, especially in the workplace.
Celia l, Mar 19, 2012 @ 13:50
Given that a young women (Sandra Fluke) was branded a 'slut' and a 'prostitute' by rush limbaugh for defending the right to women's healthcare and that this hateful language was NOT condemned by the three leading republican presidential candidates in the most powerful country in the world proves to me that that Old Testament misogyny is still alive and well in our culture. In my opinion nothing could be more pressing than defending an innocent person's good name and reputation.
Mar 18, 12 16:00
You are an authentic feminist!
To be a feminist is to keep struggling for the rights of women, for their equality with men who have had powers for a long time.
Things have improved in our society but women have to be careful to preserve their rights, so it still makes sense to be a feminist.
To be a feminist is to keep struggling for the rights of women, for their equality with men who have had powers for a long time.
Things have improved in our society but women have to be careful to preserve their rights, so it still makes sense to be a feminist.
cecile g, Mar 23, 2012 @ 16:18
Given that a young women (Sandra Fluke) was branded a 'slut' and a 'prostitute' by rush limbaugh for defending the right to women's healthcare and that this hateful language was NOT condemned by the three leading republican presidential candidates in the most powerful country in the world proves to me that that Old Testament misogyny is still alive and well in our culture. In my opinion nothing could be more pressing than defending an innocent person's good name and reputation.
Mar 18, 12 16:00
I think the US population aren`t as free anymore as what they might have been decades ago. There are many western European countries where there is more liberty and you can actually still persue the `American dream`.
I think the US population aren`t as free anymore as what they might have been decades ago. There are many western European countries where there is more liberty and you can actually still persue the `American dream`.
ThomasNL, Mar 23, 2012 @ 16:45
Thanks for you post Valentina!
However the thread is not about which country is developed or not.I think that the position of women in society is not the only criterion for the classification of a country into 'developed' or' underdeveloped'. To go back to our topic I do agree with you in many countries considered as developing countries women are shown respect and occupy positions which are considered manly.
Thanks for you post Valentina!
However the thread is not about which country is developed or not.I think that the position of women in society is not the only criterion for the classification of a country into 'developed' or' underdeveloped'. To go back to our topic I do agree with you in many countries considered as developing countries women are shown respect and occupy positions which are considered manly.
Celia l, Mar 25, 2012 @ 19:55



