Hello, I am passing my driving license, I passed the theory, and i drove about 50 hours with instructors, to make it easier i would like to buy a car, but i have no clue which one, I only know i don't want a long car, nor high (4x4).
I would buy a second hand car, so if anyone have advice/ comments i take it.. Thank you.
Juli
Hello, I am passing my driving license, I passed the theory, and i drove about 50 hours with instructors, to make it easier i would like to buy a car, but i have no clue which one, I only know i don't want a long car, nor high (4x4).
I would buy a second hand car, so if anyone have advice/ comments i take it.. Thank you.
Juli
Hmmm, a rather general question which is difficult to answer without knowing what you need/want and what is your budget. Also please note that there have previously been lots of threads about secondhand cars.
You can get a good deal in almost any price range if you spend the time looking, especially further away from Geneva.
Hmmm, a rather general question which is difficult to answer without knowing what you need/want and what is your budget. Also please note that there have previously been lots of threads about secondhand cars.
You can get a good deal in almost any price range if you spend the time looking, especially further away from Geneva.
Also make sure you have a place to park it. Going around in circles to find a parking spot late at night its not fun!
Also make sure you have a place to park it. Going around in circles to find a parking spot late at night its not fun!
If you will be living in the city, then buying a smaller car (e.g. Toyota Yaris or VW Polo, Renault Clio, Opel) is much better as its easier to find parking spaces and it consumes less fuel. And their insurances are also on the lower end.
The other advantage of such city car's is that the retain their re-sale value and there is always demand for it. So whenever you want to upgrade, then you could easily sell such a car to a new buyer.
If you will be living in the city, then buying a smaller car (e.g. Toyota Yaris or VW Polo, Renault Clio, Opel) is much better as its easier to find parking spaces and it consumes less fuel. And their insurances are also on the lower end.
The other advantage of such city car's is that the retain their re-sale value and there is always demand for it. So whenever you want to upgrade, then you could easily sell such a car to a new buyer.
Whatcar.com is one of the go-to places for information to check out the story on that nice car on AutoScout.ch.
Reliability surveys, with maintenance cost estimates are very handy, too.
Whatcar.com is one of the go-to places for information to check out the story on that nice car on AutoScout.ch.
Reliability surveys, with maintenance cost estimates are very handy, too.
It doesnt matter how it looks, you have a lack of experience in driving. It should be of a value that you can miss and quite easily replaced if needed.
Go for a medium/small sized car that will give you the feeling you control it. Go test a few. The models hyeomer adviced are good ones.
It doesnt matter how it looks, you have a lack of experience in driving. It should be of a value that you can miss and quite easily replaced if needed.
Go for a medium/small sized car that will give you the feeling you control it. Go test a few. The models hyeomer adviced are good ones.
-It doesnt matter how it looks, you have a lack of experience in driving. It should be of a value that you can miss and quite easily replaced if needed.-
Thank you to all,
Thomas you're absolutely right !!and good point to test few
The issue (in Switzerlad at least) if i pass my driving licence with automatic i would not be able to drive manual.. so i prefer to chose a manual to have good practice 
-It doesnt matter how it looks, you have a lack of experience in driving. It should be of a value that you can miss and quite easily replaced if needed.-
Thank you to all, Thomas you're absolutely right !!and good point to test few
The issue (in Switzerlad at least) if i pass my driving licence with automatic i would not be able to drive manual.. so i prefer to chose a manual to have good practice
You are right in choosing manual - it's by far the most fun, unless you have the more expensive F1 paddleshifts :)
- but for choosing your first car insurance, consider that insurance will be very expensive for the first two or three years.
I'd check the reliability survey and go with a reasonable used car, 5-10 years old and then upgrade later. Bring a mech friend, when buying.
You are right in choosing manual - it's by far the most fun, unless you have the more expensive F1 paddleshifts :)
- but for choosing your first car insurance, consider that insurance will be very expensive for the first two or three years.
I'd check the reliability survey and go with a reasonable used car, 5-10 years old and then upgrade later. Bring a mech friend, when buying.
If you're living in town and don't need a car every day, consider using a car-sharing scheme instead of buying:
If you're living in town and don't need a car every day, consider using a car-sharing scheme instead of buying:
http://www.mobility.ch/fr/pub/index.cfm
... a small cabrio second hand, about 15 years old and with a small engine. The insurance will be not so expensive comparing with a no cabrio and then you will be your very first sunshine ride in life. After that you will buy another car, and another... and one day, some years afterwards you will see yourself in a luxury company car, or in practical, economical functional, pretty but cold and blue monoespace leaving the parking somewhere and you will find yourself asking about what happened to your old first little cabrio. You will miss the memories in and the experiences around and then you will realise how lucky you were to live that first moment. A car, like a first love, is about purity and hopes. Dont limit your ride and love it. 
and remember a manual second hand is cheaper to fix than an automatic.
... a small cabrio second hand, about 15 years old and with a small engine. The insurance will be not so expensive comparing with a no cabrio and then you will be your very first sunshine ride in life. After that you will buy another car, and another... and one day, some years afterwards you will see yourself in a luxury company car, or in practical, economical functional, pretty but cold and blue monoespace leaving the parking somewhere and you will find yourself asking about what happened to your old first little cabrio. You will miss the memories in and the experiences around and then you will realise how lucky you were to live that first moment. A car, like a first love, is about purity and hopes. Dont limit your ride and love it.
and remember a manual second hand is cheaper to fix than an automatic.
this one , may be, very short one
this one , may be, very short one
sure at least, i won't have to use the driving code
Unless you have lots of money to spend, I recommend a 2nd-hand car. New cars lose 30% of their value in the first year and are a terrible waste of money. Switzerland has a great 2nd-hand market so you can get good cars for good prices. Aim for something like 2-3 years old and 20000-50000 km on the counter, and you can keep it for another 2-3 years without spending much on maintenance and repair. Also, since it's your first car you may get a few scrapes on it, and with 2nd-hand cars that doesn't mean a big loss of value (compared with new ones)
I think you first have to make a choice between 3 categories of cars:
a. Small hatchbacks, e.g. Toyota Yaris, VW Polo, Opel Corsa. Very decent and convenient in the city
b. Larger hatchbacks, e.g. VW Golf, Opel Astra. A bit larger and therefore more comfortable when driving larger distances, and a bit more luggage space.
c. Fun 'premium' cars, e.g. Mini, Fiat 500. More expensive and you may lose some comfort and space, but you gain in style and (possibly) driving pleasure.
The easiest way to figure out what you want is to just visit a few large 2nd-hand dealers, walk around, comparing prices and narrowing down your choices.
Unless you have lots of money to spend, I recommend a 2nd-hand car. New cars lose 30% of their value in the first year and are a terrible waste of money. Switzerland has a great 2nd-hand market so you can get good cars for good prices. Aim for something like 2-3 years old and 20000-50000 km on the counter, and you can keep it for another 2-3 years without spending much on maintenance and repair. Also, since it's your first car you may get a few scrapes on it, and with 2nd-hand cars that doesn't mean a big loss of value (compared with new ones)
I think you first have to make a choice between 3 categories of cars:
a. Small hatchbacks, e.g. Toyota Yaris, VW Polo, Opel Corsa. Very decent and convenient in the city
b. Larger hatchbacks, e.g. VW Golf, Opel Astra. A bit larger and therefore more comfortable when driving larger distances, and a bit more luggage space.
c. Fun 'premium' cars, e.g. Mini, Fiat 500. More expensive and you may lose some comfort and space, but you gain in style and (possibly) driving pleasure.
The easiest way to figure out what you want is to just visit a few large 2nd-hand dealers, walk around, comparing prices and narrowing down your choices.
Hello, I am passing my driving license, I passed the theory, and i drove about 50 hours with instructors, to make it easier i would like to buy a car, but i have no clue which one, I only know i don't want a long car, nor high (4x4).
I would buy a second hand car, so if anyone have advice/ comments i take it.. Thank you.
Juli
Congratulations on your exam. Your first car will likely take quite a bit of abuse, both on the outside (paint, body) and on the inside since your shifting etc will not be top notch at first. So if you're not too choosy meaning brand and color are not that important you can land good deals and then upgrade in 1-2 years when you are more skilled.
Style of the body is a matter of personal preference but you do need to determine how important the space is for you ie will you be taking it on ski trips or holidays? Tiny city cars are cute but you can't put s*** in them.
Lastly based on the fact that you want a manual transmission I would recommend a gasoline engine since they are much more fun to drive in manual than diesels. A Japanese like the Honda Civic or Mazda 3 might be the perfect solution for you. Things to look for: only 1 previous owner, previous owner non smoking, maintenance log is up to date, has passed the mandatory Swiss inspection recently.
Good luck and keep us updated.
Congratulations on your exam. Your first car will likely take quite a bit of abuse, both on the outside (paint, body) and on the inside since your shifting etc will not be top notch at first. So if you're not too choosy meaning brand and color are not that important you can land good deals and then upgrade in 1-2 years when you are more skilled.
Style of the body is a matter of personal preference but you do need to determine how important the space is for you ie will you be taking it on ski trips or holidays? Tiny city cars are cute but you can't put s*** in them.
Lastly based on the fact that you want a manual transmission I would recommend a gasoline engine since they are much more fun to drive in manual than diesels. A Japanese like the Honda Civic or Mazda 3 might be the perfect solution for you. Things to look for: only 1 previous owner, previous owner non smoking, maintenance log is up to date, has passed the mandatory Swiss inspection recently.
Good luck and keep us updated.
hi all, i would suggest german cars in general, and for ladys i would go for a second hand golf or polo. as a new driver i suggest a manual one to get used to it. and for colour,,, it s surely the white,,the best coloure ever with black fumée windows. i have a question to people who knows... Is it possible to buy a second hand car in germany and import it to geneva? good chance
hi all, i would suggest german cars in general, and for ladys i would go for a second hand golf or polo. as a new driver i suggest a manual one to get used to it. and for colour,,, it s surely the white,,the best coloure ever with black fumée windows. i have a question to people who knows... Is it possible to buy a second hand car in germany and import it to geneva? good chance
Firas, you can import a car here, but I think it's taking an unnecessary risk, even though the price difference may be tempting. Basically you will have to get the car registered and inspected, and anything they don't like will have to be changed/repaired. (If the car is recent, its technical spec should be OK as the car will be homologated here, but you're still gambling on its condition). If you buy a Swiss registered recently-inspected car you don't have this problem. You may well also have to pay duty.
Firas, you can import a car here, but I think it's taking an unnecessary risk, even though the price difference may be tempting. Basically you will have to get the car registered and inspected, and anything they don't like will have to be changed/repaired. (If the car is recent, its technical spec should be OK as the car will be homologated here, but you're still gambling on its condition). If you buy a Swiss registered recently-inspected car you don't have this problem. You may well also have to pay duty.
Hi Juli,
It depends on your budget... Here are my suggestions (most of which have already been mentionned in the previous posts)
Used car, ~2 years old, 25'000 km, small, 1.6-2 l engine, low consumption, 4-5 doors, manual, cabrio is fun but then with a hard top, air con, 4 extra rims with winter tires in good shape, recently inspected (expertise du jour). Check the tires before you buy as changing the four of them may have a significant impact on the final price (good deals - if not the best ones - at Pneus Claude). Going through a garage is a bit more expansive, but should be safer especially if they are an approved dealer. The brand is a matter of taste, but you may want to to check the test page of the TCS.
Hi Juli,
It depends on your budget... Here are my suggestions (most of which have already been mentionned in the previous posts)
Used car, ~2 years old, 25'000 km, small, 1.6-2 l engine, low consumption, 4-5 doors, manual, cabrio is fun but then with a hard top, air con, 4 extra rims with winter tires in good shape, recently inspected (expertise du jour). Check the tires before you buy as changing the four of them may have a significant impact on the final price (good deals - if not the best ones - at Pneus Claude). Going through a garage is a bit more expansive, but should be safer especially if they are an approved dealer. The brand is a matter of taste, but you may want to to check the test page of the TCS.
Congratulations on your exam. Your first car will likely take quite a bit of abuse, both on the outside (paint, body) and on the inside since your shifting etc will not be top notch at first. So if you're not too choosy meaning brand and color are not that important you can land good deals and then upgrade in 1-2 years when you are more skilled.
Style of the body is a matter of personal preference but you do need to determine how important the space is for you ie will you be taking it on ski trips or holidays? Tiny city cars are cute but you can't put s*** in them.
Lastly based on the fact that you want a manual transmission I would recommend a gasoline engine since they are much more fun to drive in manual than diesels. A Japanese like the Honda Civic or Mazda 3 might be the perfect solution for you. Things to look for: only 1 previous owner, previous owner non smoking, maintenance log is up to date, has passed the mandatory Swiss inspection recently.
Good luck and keep us updated.
Great advice Catalin, excatly what i was looking for.. i don't care how the car will look like, as you said, i am sure i wll get several scratch (hope not more than that i.e bad accident), i will take the gasoline and ask also the owner if he passed the swiss inspection - Thank you, very helpful.
Great advice Catalin, excatly what i was looking for.. i don't care how the car will look like, as you said, i am sure i wll get several scratch (hope not more than that i.e bad accident), i will take the gasoline and ask also the owner if he passed the swiss inspection - Thank you, very helpful.
Hi Juli,
It depends on your budget... Here are my suggestions (most of which have already been mentionned in the previous posts)
Used car, ~2 years old, 25'000 km, small, 1.6-2 l engine, low consumption, 4-5 doors, manual, cabrio is fun but then with a hard top, air con, 4 extra rims with winter tires in good shape, recently inspected (expertise du jour). Check the tires before you buy as changing the four of them may have a significant impact on the final price (good deals - if not the best ones - at Pneus Claude). Going through a garage is a bit more expansive, but should be safer especially if they are an approved dealer. The brand is a matter of taste, but you may want to to check the test page of the TCS.
super !! i get all informations i need - thank you (I will have to make a list) ;-)
super !! i get all informations i need - thank you (I will have to make a list) ;-)
Hi Juli,
It depends on your budget... Here are my suggestions (most of which have already been mentionned in the previous posts)
Used car, ~2 years old, 25'000 km, small, 1.6-2 l engine, low consumption, 4-5 doors, manual, cabrio is fun but then with a hard top, air con, 4 extra rims with winter tires in good shape, recently inspected (expertise du jour). Check the tires before you buy as changing the four of them may have a significant impact on the final price (good deals - if not the best ones - at Pneus Claude). Going through a garage is a bit more expansive, but should be safer especially if they are an approved dealer. The brand is a matter of taste, but you may want to to check the test page of the TCS.
I would go for a smaller engine size, around 1 litre should be enough these days
I would go for a smaller engine size, around 1 litre should be enough these days
1.0 litre enough? For what? Nearby shopping?
1.0 litre enough? For what? Nearby shopping?
From reading his posts I don't think the dude even owns a car... He also probably votes with UDC and owns a gun :)
From reading his posts I don't think the dude even owns a car... He also probably votes with UDC and owns a gun :)
Great advice Catalin, excatly what i was looking for.. i don't care how the car will look like, as you said, i am sure i wll get several scratch (hope not more than that i.e bad accident), i will take the gasoline and ask also the owner if he passed the swiss inspection - Thank you, very helpful.
Happy to help Juli. And if you need a hand deciding between two deals etc let us know and we will give you a hand.
Happy to help Juli. And if you need a hand deciding between two deals etc let us know and we will give you a hand.
RWD for a first car in Switzerland is a no-no. Plus you are a bad driver.
RWD for a first car in Switzerland is a no-no. Plus you are a bad driver.
Why no rear-wheel drive in CH?
Why no rear-wheel drive in CH?
Do you really have to ask... because they are a nighmare to drive whenever it is wet, icy or snowy which is prety much 6 months a year in Switzerland. Plus you need to carry 4 snow chains. Source: having owned 2 RWD cars in Switzerland and finally giving it up for that reason.
Do you really have to ask... because they are a nighmare to drive whenever it is wet, icy or snowy which is prety much 6 months a year in Switzerland. Plus you need to carry 4 snow chains. Source: having owned 2 RWD cars in Switzerland and finally giving it up for that reason.
Right, the weight of the engine doesn't do anything for road grip in an RWD, but recent, good winter tires and sensible driving, should go a long way. So far, I haven't had any troubles in wet conditions.. we'll see about snow and ice.
Right, the weight of the engine doesn't do anything for road grip in an RWD, but recent, good winter tires and sensible driving, should go a long way. So far, I haven't had any troubles in wet conditions.. we'll see about snow and ice.
if you want a BMW go for the X drive... they are not fully 4wd but in snow offer more control than the rwd versions.
Otherwise FWD cars such as a mini are pretty cool and quite fast.
if you want a BMW go for the X drive... they are not fully 4wd but in snow offer more control than the rwd versions.
Otherwise FWD cars such as a mini are pretty cool and quite fast.
1.0 litre enough? For what? Nearby shopping?
For a first car it's OK. A 1 litre Corsa can do over 150 km/h. Swiss insurance and road tax are based on engine size so this will help keep the costs down.
For a first car it's OK. A 1 litre Corsa can do over 150 km/h. Swiss insurance and road tax are based on engine size so this will help keep the costs down.
if you want a BMW go for the X drive... they are not fully 4wd but in snow offer more control than the rwd versions.
Otherwise FWD cars such as a mini are pretty cool and quite fast.
Charlie we are talking first time car here.
For a first car it's OK. A 1 litre Corsa can do over 150 km/h. Swiss insurance and road tax are based on engine size so this will help keep the costs down.
Actually it is not, it is based on engine output (power) which may or may not be proportional with engine size (e.g. turbo engines). Dude seriously, it's like the third wrong information that you givein this thread, somehow I doubt cars are your strenght.
Actually it is not, it is based on engine output (power) which may or may not be proportional with engine size (e.g. turbo engines). Dude seriously, it's like the third wrong information that you givein this thread, somehow I doubt cars are your strenght.
Nicolas
A 1st car doesnt need to be a small low power output car... it needs to be one that the driver can get used to quickly, and in which she feels safe, which does what she wants when she wants it to.
Enjoying driving helps improve ones driving... having a shitty little car may not achieve this.
Putting around in a 1 ltr ultra cheap car is not necessarily the answer...it may be, but it also may not be.
Some of the better cars are infact MUCH easier to drive than the super cheap ones... and it may be better to go for a car similar to one that she had lessons in... ( i havent read the whole thread so dont know if this fact was stated)...
anyway its just my thoughts... when I put my daughter in her first car, I will be looking at safety and ease of drive/parking first... and also it needs to be one that she will be happy to drive and take care of... being miserable in a car doesnt encourage driving...and hence doesnt encourage improvement.
Nicolas
A 1st car doesnt need to be a small low power output car... it needs to be one that the driver can get used to quickly, and in which she feels safe, which does what she wants when she wants it to.
Enjoying driving helps improve ones driving... having a shitty little car may not achieve this.
Putting around in a 1 ltr ultra cheap car is not necessarily the answer...it may be, but it also may not be.
Some of the better cars are infact MUCH easier to drive than the super cheap ones... and it may be better to go for a car similar to one that she had lessons in... ( i havent read the whole thread so dont know if this fact was stated)...
anyway its just my thoughts... when I put my daughter in her first car, I will be looking at safety and ease of drive/parking first... and also it needs to be one that she will be happy to drive and take care of... being miserable in a car doesnt encourage driving...and hence doesnt encourage improvement.
For a first car it's OK. A 1 litre Corsa can do over 150 km/h. Swiss insurance and road tax are based on engine size so this will help keep the costs down.
It's a mistake to think cars with small engines are more economical. For sure if you are driving on a test track and never go over 2500 rpm and spend 30 minutes getting up to 60 kph, they might be, but not in the real world. I go to the UK a lot and hire cars a lot and in real everyday driving the best consumption i ever got was from a Passat Wagon.
Also it might be an idea to look on this site and the classified on World Radio Switzerland. There are a lot of people, diplomats etc, who have to leave here in a hurry so there are some good bargains to be had on there. ( Far better than dealing with some used car salesman at a swiss garage who doesn't understand the concept of doing a deal) If you find a car that you like ,get a test on it's condition from Touring Club Suisse( not expensive) , then you can feel confident that you are not buying a Lemon.
It's a mistake to think cars with small engines are more economical. For sure if you are driving on a test track and never go over 2500 rpm and spend 30 minutes getting up to 60 kph, they might be, but not in the real world. I go to the UK a lot and hire cars a lot and in real everyday driving the best consumption i ever got was from a Passat Wagon.
Also it might be an idea to look on this site and the classified on World Radio Switzerland. There are a lot of people, diplomats etc, who have to leave here in a hurry so there are some good bargains to be had on there. ( Far better than dealing with some used car salesman at a swiss garage who doesn't understand the concept of doing a deal) If you find a car that you like ,get a test on it's condition from Touring Club Suisse( not expensive) , then you can feel confident that you are not buying a Lemon.
If you don't know the answer to that one , dare I suggest but maybe you are not as good a driver as you think you are?
Are you sure you're not male? :-)
If you don't know the answer to that one , dare I suggest but maybe you are not as good a driver as you think you are?
Are you sure you're not male? :-)
Laura... already answered. Read post #27 above.
definitely not male then..... :-)
for info, i would not be able to afford a BWM (even second or fifth hand) or any kind of 'lux' car...I am sure they are stronger and very good to drive with plenty of options really usefull, but maybe when i am older and richer
for info, i would not be able to afford a BWM (even second or fifth hand) or any kind of 'lux' car...I am sure they are stronger and very good to drive with plenty of options really usefull, but maybe when i am older and richer
for info, i would not be able to afford a BWM (even second or fifth hand) or any kind of 'lux' car...I am sure they are stronger and very good to drive with plenty of options really usefull, but maybe when i am older and richer
One option to be sure to look out for, because virtually all Swiss cars don't seem to have them, are indicators.
One option to be sure to look out for, because virtually all Swiss cars don't seem to have them, are indicators.
One option to be sure to look out for, because virtually all Swiss cars don't seem to have them, are indicators.
Also, many seem to have an accelerator pedal that doesn't press down very far.
Also, many seem to have an accelerator pedal that doesn't press down very far.
Also, many seem to have an accelerator pedal that doesn't press down very far.
And don't forget that all Swiss drivers have a built in radar in their cars that warns them if they get to be more than 5 metres away from the car in front of them on the autoroute( or 2 metres if it is wet)
And don't forget that all Swiss drivers have a built in radar in their cars that warns them if they get to be more than 5 metres away from the car in front of them on the autoroute( or 2 metres if it is wet)
And don't forget that all Swiss drivers have a built in radar in their cars that warns them if they get to be more than 5 metres away from the car in front of them on the autoroute( or 2 metres if it is wet)
I think you mistaken with french ? it's allowed in france but not in switzerland.. or were you sarcastic ? lol
I think you mistaken with french ? it's allowed in france but not in switzerland.. or were you sarcastic ? lol
I think you mistaken with french ? it's allowed in france but not in switzerland.. or were you sarcastic ? lol
ok sorry i made the mistake ahhaha 
, i thought you were speaking about radar... but i am definitely swiss, i hate to be close to cars in front of me, i don't speed up, and i am blond LOL
ok sorry i made the mistake ahhaha , i thought you were speaking about radar... but i am definitely swiss, i hate to be close to cars in front of me, i don't speed up, and i am blond LOL
Congrats on your test! I guess your choice of car-type depends on what you want to do with it.
Do you only want to drive around the city by yourself or with one more person, never load up more than a couple of weeks' shopping & want to spend far-less time going in circles? 1L car a 3-door or even SMART...you can always rent a better car to do everything else.
If you'd like to have the option of driving around Europe, go camping, drive friends and family to places, drive up to the mountains every once in a while... Go with Free, catalin or hyeomer's choices.
Do you think you'll spend over 20 hours driving per week? Consider a sedan. Diesel preferably...CRDi engine or later...beware...usually people clock more km on these cars.
Do you plan to participate in underground drag races? DONT!
Do you want to drive at 210 kmph, crash & still believe you'll walk out alive and without a scratch every time? You have to be Ayrton Senna da Silva reincarnated...but why would you recommend BMW?
PS: Don't listen to me. I still don't have a license as the dictators left in the continent have all become driving instructors in France.
Congrats on your test! I guess your choice of car-type depends on what you want to do with it.
Do you only want to drive around the city by yourself or with one more person, never load up more than a couple of weeks' shopping & want to spend far-less time going in circles? 1L car a 3-door or even SMART...you can always rent a better car to do everything else.
If you'd like to have the option of driving around Europe, go camping, drive friends and family to places, drive up to the mountains every once in a while... Go with Free, catalin or hyeomer's choices.
Do you think you'll spend over 20 hours driving per week? Consider a sedan. Diesel preferably...CRDi engine or later...beware...usually people clock more km on these cars.
Do you plan to participate in underground drag races? DONT!
Do you want to drive at 210 kmph, crash & still believe you'll walk out alive and without a scratch every time? You have to be Ayrton Senna da Silva reincarnated...but why would you recommend BMW?
PS: Don't listen to me. I still don't have a license as the dictators left in the continent have all become driving instructors in France.
definitely not male then..... :-)
"She" may still have a penis =))
Thanks to all for your advices . And to some of you ..next time you see a car with number GE doesnt mean it's a swiss person driving 
Thanks to all for your advices . And to some of you ..next time you see a car with number GE doesnt mean it's a swiss person driving
RAV4...
You see that a lot here; the bigger the car, the bigger the muppet behind the wheel..
RAV4...
You see that a lot here; the bigger the car, the bigger the muppet behind the wheel..
"She" may still have a penis =))
You can't say <beep> on English forums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3JhBCmWaI#t=6m39s
(checking if can embed youtube deep links in here)
You can't say <beep> on English forums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3JhBCmWaI#t=6m39s
(checking if can embed youtube deep links in here)
Laila D: Ah no...of course you can recommend a BMW, they are great machines! I'd only be amazed to see Ayrton Senna recommending one as he was never known to be associated with one. :) I sure hope you never have an accident again, but if I were you...I would primarily thank luck, life and good fortune & then BMW for surviving one at 210 kmph.
Arkan
Juli: Next time you see a car with number GE doesnt mean it's a swiss person driving...
You aren't really blonde, are you?
Laila D: Ah no...of course you can recommend a BMW, they are great machines! I'd only be amazed to see Ayrton Senna recommending one as he was never known to be associated with one. :) I sure hope you never have an accident again, but if I were you...I would primarily thank luck, life and good fortune & then BMW for surviving one at 210 kmph.
Arkan
Juli: Next time you see a car with number GE doesnt mean it's a swiss person driving...
You aren't really blonde, are you?
Laila D: Ah no...of course you can recommend a BMW, they are great machines! I'd only be amazed to see Ayrton Senna recommending one as he was never known to be associated with one. :) I sure hope you never have an accident again, but if I were you...I would primarily thank luck, life and good fortune & then BMW for surviving one at 210 kmph.
Arkan
Juli: Next time you see a car with number GE doesnt mean it's a swiss person driving...
You aren't really blonde, are you?
IT was for brucelawson post 44 - 'All swiss drivers...' come on in GVA, who's swiss ??!! that's make me laugh
IT was for brucelawson post 44 - 'All swiss drivers...' come on in GVA, who's swiss ??!! that's make me laugh
Yes we are. It`s nice when we have to get out of our car pretending we are gonna drag that muppet from behind the steering wheel, wishing they never passed their driving exam ;)
Yes we are. It`s nice when we have to get out of our car pretending we are gonna drag that muppet from behind the steering wheel, wishing they never passed their driving exam ;)
Hmm...do I see the picture of the same person whose profile was deleted a couple of times?
Laura/Laila/Hayes et al...you never give up, do ya?
Hmm...do I see the picture of the same person whose profile was deleted a couple of times?
Laura/Laila/Hayes et al...you never give up, do ya?
And: I wonder - if RWD cars like BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are absolutely to avoid for driving them in Switzerland - why half of the cars you see in the streets are those brands.... ;)
Damn, I think you just gave us the answer to why they drive so bad here, thanks!
And: I wonder - if RWD cars like BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are absolutely to avoid for driving them in Switzerland - why half of the cars you see in the streets are those brands.... ;)
Damn, I think you just gave us the answer to why they drive so bad here, thanks!
"BTW - driving Diesel these days is performance wise often even more fun than gasoline cars."
Ok genius, how did you come up with that?
"And: I wonder - if RWD cars like BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are absolutely to avoid for driving them in Switzerland - why half of the cars you see in the streets are those brands.... ;)"
Because "they" have at least one other car that is not RWD. I don't see any of those that you mentionned up in the mountains unless it's perfectly dry. When I do see them, they are stuck on the side of the road.
"BTW - driving Diesel these days is performance wise often even more fun than gasoline cars."
Ok genius, how did you come up with that?
"And: I wonder - if RWD cars like BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are absolutely to avoid for driving them in Switzerland - why half of the cars you see in the streets are those brands.... ;)"
Because "they" have at least one other car that is not RWD. I don't see any of those that you mentionned up in the mountains unless it's perfectly dry. When I do see them, they are stuck on the side of the road.
Many years ago I went on a snow/ice driving course in sweden. In case you did not know before the advent of 4 wheel drive, all swedish cars( Saabs and Volvos) had front wheel drive. I found out why on this course. Because the engine weight is over the drive wheels, the traction in slippery conditions is much better. I seem to remember that I could drive round the course twice as quickly in an old volvo than in a BMW M series.
I'm not saying that rear wheel drive cars are not good...it's just on the odd occasion in the snow and ice they are not the best.
I agree also with the above poster. I have had a succesion of diesel golfs and had no worries with them at all.....
Many years ago I went on a snow/ice driving course in sweden. In case you did not know before the advent of 4 wheel drive, all swedish cars( Saabs and Volvos) had front wheel drive. I found out why on this course. Because the engine weight is over the drive wheels, the traction in slippery conditions is much better. I seem to remember that I could drive round the course twice as quickly in an old volvo than in a BMW M series.
I'm not saying that rear wheel drive cars are not good...it's just on the odd occasion in the snow and ice they are not the best.
I agree also with the above poster. I have had a succesion of diesel golfs and had no worries with them at all.....
your question is too general, missing info:
- budget
- will you be using it to drive far or only in town
- do you have parking for it or not
your question is too general, missing info:
- budget
- will you be using it to drive far or only in town
- do you have parking for it or not
too much info kills the info ... i can see now why men are passionate about cars :something to speak aboutt which would never end, and they would never (admit) to be wrong ;-) so fun !! in my next post i will explain why girls have the same kind of discussion about men if you didnt know why of course..
too much info kills the info ... i can see now why men are passionate about cars :something to speak aboutt which would never end, and they would never (admit) to be wrong ;-) so fun !! in my next post i will explain why girls have the same kind of discussion about men if you didnt know why of course..
You would know.
too much info kills the info ... i can see now why men are passionate about cars :something to speak aboutt which would never end, and they would never (admit) to be wrong ;-) so fun !! in my next post i will explain why girls have the same kind of discussion about men if you didnt know why of course..
Men do not like cars; women do. But as they do not dare to admit it, they look for a men who's got one.
It follows that men pretend to like cars because they like women who like men who have nice cars. Easy.
Men do not like cars; women do. But as they do not dare to admit it, they look for a men who's got one.
It follows that men pretend to like cars because they like women who like men who have nice cars. Easy.
Men do not like cars; women do. But as they do not dare to admit it, they look for a men who's got one.
It follows that men pretend to like cars because they like women who like men who have nice cars. Easy.
I thought women were complicated, but you reach the top....
if it was true i would not have to post... (I have lots of girlfriends (whith cars)
I thought women were complicated, but you reach the top....
if it was true i would not have to post... (I have lots of girlfriends (whith cars)
Hello, I am passing my driving license, I passed the theory, and i drove about 50 hours with instructors, to make it easier i would like to buy a car, but i have no clue which one, I only know i don't want a long car, nor high (4x4).
I would buy a second hand car, so if anyone have advice/ comments i take it.. Thank you.
Juli
Have a look at a subaru. Good in the snow and very reliable. (Very happy with mine!)
Good luck with the hunt for a parking space!
Mike
Have a look at a subaru. Good in the snow and very reliable. (Very happy with mine!)
Good luck with the hunt for a parking space!
Mike
Have a look at a subaru. Good in the snow and very reliable. (Very happy with mine!)
Good luck with the hunt for a parking space!
Mike
Thanks , but i have a garage actually :-) i know i am so lucky to have the garage before the car ;-P
Thanks , but i have a garage actually :-) i know i am so lucky to have the garage before the car ;-P
try some models you like and matching your budget and choose the one you feel better when driving... in other words, listen to yourself, not to others.
try some models you like and matching your budget and choose the one you feel better when driving... in other words, listen to yourself, not to others.
hi juli i have a good car is mazda if need hit me
