Thank you for the kind commendations. If only you knew me better... you would skip the commendations...

Back to your impressions of the movie... I like your honesty isa413.

I haven't seen the moses code. Here is what I have been told by a friend who watched it a few weeks ago. She found the movie to be disturbing and unconvincing. For her, this movie is no better than the secret. One of the so-called powerful ideas in the movie, claimed to be revealed for the first time in 3500 years, is the power of a comma into the phrase "I am that I am" from Exodus. Apparently, inserting a comma is the key to unlocking the code and to manifest the power. With the phrase "I am that, I am" we human beings can get whatever we want. Utilizing this unlocked code, one can manifest divine miracles and humans can have whatever they desire. The movie throws in positive, feel-good statements such as "have the willingness to give, rather than focusing on getting," But then, there is nothing new in those statements... forgiveness, compassion, charity and philanthropy has been preached and practiced for ages.

Since you have watched it, what is this movie's theme and its key messages? Does the movie emphasize the need for and merits of diligence, hard work, reason, independent thought, facts, objectivity, questioning authority and such things?

A review by you, and others in Glocals community who watched the movie, would be interesting to read.
colorado, May 9, 2008 @ 10:12

Let me be entirely cynical here -- both the Secret and the Code are based upon P.T.Barnum's timeless observation -- "There is a sucker born every minute."  :Whistling:
Translator, May 9, 2008 @ 11:53

Yes, wrong attribution but correct observation ;)
Translator, May 9, 2008 @ 15:04

[quote] The film preached a journey of knowledge, enlightenment, wisdom, inner realization & offered people the chance to change their circumstances. [\quote]

The movie propaganda claims, I am told, to offer a technology. Or is it a new religion? If it is the later, perhaps we should treat the movie as someone trying to subscribe converts to some religion.

I remain curious about your answer and unconvinced. In the film you saw, is the revealed knowledge, enlightenment and wisdom something along the lines...

- Possibility and potential power of 'ask, believe and receive' to treat cancer and prevent viral diseases in babies without therapies, vaccines and care?

- Possibility and potential power of 'ask, believe and receive' to educate kids without teachers, books and ever sending them to school?

- etc.

How do those things offer someone inner realization and a chance to change their circumstances? Convince me that this is not Orwellian-speak, appropriately paraphrased... Knowledge is Ignorance, Positive Thinking is Thoughtlessness, Wisdom is Babies-without-Vaccines... etc etc

And what happened to your friend in past?... memories of which disturbed you as you watched the moses code movie.

ps - the check is in the mail for your Search The Truth campaign, isa413! :smooooth:
colorado, May 9, 2008 @ 16:40

Lets forget about convincing me.

What is the revealed knowledge, enlightenment and wisdom in this movie? And what happened to your friend in past?... memories of which disturbed you as you watched the moses code movie.
colorado, May 9, 2008 @ 16:45

Thanks. That is difficult to understand. Imagine a tuberculosis patient or someone with cancer believing "I am healthy, I am"... leading to disease-free state or remission. In the movie 'the secret,' participants claim that their disease miraculously vanished once they practised "ask, believe, receive" teachings. Strange, no?

On the same note, I find it difficult to understand the teachers of the movie - the secret - when they claim that the historical figures with great accomplishments knew and practiced the secret the movie teaches. There is no evidence to support this claim from the movie. There is no evidence that Aristotle, Plato, Newton, Hugo, Jung, Ford, Einstein, Edison and others asked the universe, trick themselves into believing what they want is on its way, and then receive mystical manifestations.

In contrast, the notes and writings and work from the historical figures suggest something different. These folks asked themselves and their associates to challenge, study, understand, experiment, etc. Glocalers interested in this movie may find the books and writings of Ford, Edison and others quite enlightening, and sharply contradicting the claims of this movie.
colorado, May 9, 2008 @ 23:08

One of the issue with the teachings in 'the secret' and such movies is this theme... people who claim that deadly diseases such as cancer vanished - without medical intervention - once they became a faithful follower of the 'ask, believe, receive' or such teachings. Can 'positive thinking' by parents eliminate the necessity of vaccinations for babies, cure them from bacterial infection without treatment from caring nurses and doctors, etc.? This is not an empty rhetoric... I have heard of a tragic story where the parent denied his child nutrition and medical care.

For all it is worth, I am not recommending sullen behavior. Far from it. Optimism and hope and belief in a better tomorrow is a beautiful thing. In the specific example above, medical advances and therapy combined with optimism and positive attitude is helpful to all involved. Sickness is painful enough. It is so much better if folks can smile. For these and other reasons, I actively donate to charities whose main aim is to bring cheer and smile to those in terminal or long lasting therapeutic care.

Any way.....

Reason, diligence and thought... bonded to hope, optimism and compassion makes more sense to me.

It is Friday afternoon here in the Rockies. A beautiful weekend in the outdoors awaits. Have a wonderful one.

Best Regards, Colorado
colorado, May 10, 2008 @ 01:19

To put it politely (and this time I'll have to make an effort) I'm astonished that anybody could ever take this BS seriously!

I'm even astonished that anybody ever watched it until the end. The film makes it shallow point in its first five minutes. The rest doesn't add up anything at all.



You are there sitting on the sofa watching holyschmoly spin doctors, wizards, "spiritual consultants", televangelists and other non-existent professions repeating for two weeks (it's a couple of hours but it's so boring it feels like weeks!!!) their silly useless mantra!



I admit that I didn't read the book, but I'm sure you already suspected I'm not planning to.

Ciao

:)
Stef__Granny, May 10, 2008 @ 19:58

I agree that tolerance is a good thing. One of the best essays on tolerance is by Voltaire... with one sentence summing it all... "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." 

I do not understand you, Isa413. Are you implying that someone here.. Stef_Granny or I... is being intolerant? Or, are you implying that it is a mark of intolerance... if we ask polite questions or share our curiosity about movies or books that claim to reveal a technology that was alledgely known and practised by our intellectual forefathers such as Aristolte, Plato, Einstein and others.

If you believe we are being intolerant, explain how.

Do we have different perspective on what constitutes intolerence?As I see it, intolerance occurs when some community or someone selectively expels an individual or group of people, or selectively outcasts people, selectively gags people, or selectively denies someone the privilege to write or gather or discuss or think for themselves.

In this thread, none of that has happened. No one has denied anyone from thinking for themselves. All this thread has tried to do is offer views and an open invitation to share your thoughts about a movie and a book. If anyone knows of any evidence that Aristotle or Plato or Einstein or Ford or Edison or others from history... knew and practised the so-called secret and the code, I would love to learn the evidence.

I am engaging in this debate with you because you claim to understand, agree and favor this movie... I do not know if you support the movie strongly or you are just being nice to someone. I write this because you wrote... "I was no doubt born with an inner law of attraction & the journey of material gain was effortless. The film preached a journey of knowledge, enlightenment, wisdom & inner realization & offered people the chance to change their circumstances."

Did you practice this "ask the universe, believe that miracle is going to manifest, and receive the manifested results?" Or did you study, learn, work hard and deliver a service or product? I also await the revealed knowledge, enlightenment and wisdom you speak of, and what is it that convinces you that you were no doubt born with that law you mention. It is strange that you rationalize your past to support this movie. Yet, you also seem to be calling them a sect and mind control group. I am trying to understand.

For those who have never seen this movie or read the book, here is an interesting trivia -  about a year ago, the secret was #1 on New York Times bestseller list, and #1 on Amazon as well. It sold quite a few copies. The interest in this movie and book has faded in the USA. It is picking up elsewhere, and it is worth a discussion.
colorado, May 11, 2008 @ 17:43

Hi, isa!

Thanks for the frirnd's invitation of yours!

I would like to know the basics about the "sekt", if possible, since I was also there at the film watch (I cannot tell what ffect it was, but peopel sounded very much like actors, and the message was still very positive for me, too):cool:.

Helena.

HelenaTravel, May 11, 2008 @ 23:16

Thank you, isa413. I got it! You do not agree or support the teachings of the movie. I admire your honesty.

HeleneTravel - there are several parts of the movie that I skipped in this thread. For example, the movie presents an alleged history behind the secret - the secret was burried, the secret was coveted, the secret was supressed... global conspiracy is a clever way to create suspense. Unfortunately, the secret never offers evidence behind its claims - it just offers actors. Just assertions followed by more suspenseful assertions. A sect promises whatever you might seek... Happiness, Health, Love, Success, Money, World Peace... if you would blindly and faithfully follow what they teach. These patterns have been seen in past sects.

For a thoroughly entertaining discussion on sects and cults, you may wish to read When Prophecy Fails, by Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken and Stanley Schachter. Leon and friends were social scientists at University of Minnesota in the 1950s. To study the phenomenon of sects fifty years ago, they joined a local sect, incognito as new believers. This sect's leaders offered  answers to life's questions with mysticism, the occult and manifested messages from the universe. In one of the most interesting undercover studies, they recorded extensively... they took notes on what was happening... what the teachers of revealed knowledge, enlightenment and wisdom were teaching, and how the followers got more and more convinced and faithful over time.

I agree with Stef-Granny's impressions of the movie. It is just sad that this #1 bestseller leverages a conspiracy theory and false claims to historical geniuses to peddle their intentions.

I feel that, in healthy and happy forms, we are positive, we attract and connect with those who share our values and interests, and we all make a difference in this world. We do not need a false conspiracy and false assertions on Aristotle and Plato and Emerson and music composers, to make us want to give, to help, to trust, to learn from others. Or to laugh and have fun and be successful... in our own humble ways. We can be happy without prophecies.
colorado, May 12, 2008 @ 02:15

I just watched this DVD. Well... speaking the truth... I stopped after 30mns... could not go on watching such a collection of brilliant (ironic) speakers, talking about a mysterious secret buried over the centuries (Da Vinci code and the conspiracy theory, remember?) and applied by the greatest scientists the world got to know (a claim, no concrete proof that those genious were aware and used that Secret).

Positive and creative thinking... yeah sure I admit that if you look happy and smile you'd get better chance to attract people! But what about people applying that Law of Attraction? I mean... everybody being seriously focused on thinking in a positive way... does it mean that everybody becomes a millionar? do you really think it is feasible?

I disliked this importance granted to the consumerism and materialism (being rich, having superb car and so on...). I prefer to believe in giving and receiving within the community.

I am into personal development, I like to believe I am open minded but here that Secret appears to be a joke (and I am polite).

I would recommend the reading of that post as it expresses what I think of that Secret, in better english words that the native French speaker I am cannot tell:



http://www.rense.com/general75/secret.htm

largowinch, Sep 13, 2008 @ 20:53