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1. Africa is a war's continent

False. With 68 current conflicts listed in the world in February 2011, only 27 are in Africa, against 36 in Asia.

Conflict is defined on a scale of intensity, "unstable peace" to "high intensity" conflict.  The highest levels are mostly in Asia: there are now four and only one in Africa (Somalia). Ditto for conflicts of medium intensity (8 in total), only two are in Africa, against six in other continents, Asia (Philippines), Middle East (Palestine) but also in Russia (Chechnya) or even Mexico. Territorial disputes between two or more parties are about 42 in Africa, against 68 in Asia. The war is not specific to Africa and has no particular colour, except the blood one the same for everyone.


2. African migrants invade Europe

False. Approximately 214 million migrants worldwide who live outside their country of birth, there are only 15 million sub-Saharan Africans living outside the continent, example only one African out of 30 chose to live in France.

Globally, only two out of five migrants settled in the OECD countries, while others go to the Third World countries, Asia or the Gulf.

For the African continent, migration is often South-South and not South-North. Following the example of recent conflict to date: 20,000 Libyans if landed on the small Italian island of Lampedusa, thrilling a Europe of 700 million, the same number of Libyans is currently in the refugee camp of Shusha, Tunisia , a country of 10 million. To this, add another 50,000 Libyans living in this small country of jasmine, and 350,000 sub-Saharan Africa.

In fact, in Africa, conflicts or economic problems are often generate more lateral. Thousands of Libyans are refugees in Egypt or Algeria. The Sudanese people from Darfur are in Chad, the Rwandan refugees are in the neighboring countries and in Tamanrasset, a town in southern Algeria, there are 20 African nationalities who are living together, representing 40% of the population of the city. Senegal and the Ivory Coast have more African immigrants than in France, which itself receives less African than Belgium for example.


3. Africa is overpopulated

False. This is not the most populous continent. It is much less than Asia, with its 3.9 billion people, so crowded that the American continent (900 million) and slightly more than Europe, with its 922 million people estimated 2005.

For the African population is spread over an area of ​​30 million square kilometers, three times more than Europe. There is room in Africa, even for the "white" in crisis. Africa is also the third destination for French expatriates, after the United States and the Middle East. A fun calculation is that there would be more "white" in Africa that Africans in Europe. Indeed, Europeans are numerous in Senegal, Ivory Coast or Gabon: they are 170,000, divided between French-speaking Africa (120,000), North Africa (50,000) and non-Francophone Africa (10,000). But what the police?



4. Africa is plagued by a persistent underdevelopment

False. Outside the Maghreb and South Africa, known for creating steady growth, many African countries achieve good economic results and the "African lions" champions of double-digit growth as Ghana and Ethiopia are examples of success. Africa attracts foreign investment, to the extent that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) forecasts an inflow of capital for the year 2011 and next year.

Of course, among the 10 most corrupt countries in the world there are four African countries, but there are five Asian and American countries (Haiti). However, on all continents, Africa is at the same level of corruption as in Central America, South America and Asia.

Economically, Africa has recorded its strongest growth over the past two decades, with a growth rate of gross domestic product of about 5% per year, to the point that Africa has become, since 2009, the first trading partner of China, which is investing heavily.

This growth continues in a continuous manner: the African Development Bank expects 3.7% for 2011 as global growth expected by the IMF for the same year is around 4%, divided between 2.5 % and 3% for the United States, around 1.5% for Europe (Greek forecasts before the crisis), with a small 1.3% for France. There is no picture, even in black and white.

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1. Africa is a war's continent

False. With 68 current conflicts listed in the world in February 2011, only 27 are in Africa, against 36 in Asia.

Conflict is defined on a scale of intensity, "unstable peace" to "high intensity" conflict.  The highest levels are mostly in Asia: there are now four and only one in Africa (Somalia). Ditto for conflicts of medium intensity (8 in total), only two are in Africa, against six in other continents, Asia (Philippines), Middle East (Palestine) but also in Russia (Chechnya) or even Mexico. Territorial disputes between two or more parties are about 42 in Africa, against 68 in Asia. The war is not specific to Africa and has no particular colour, except the blood one the same for everyone.


2. African migrants invade Europe

False. Approximately 214 million migrants worldwide who live outside their country of birth, there are only 15 million sub-Saharan Africans living outside the continent, example only one African out of 30 chose to live in France.

Globally, only two out of five migrants settled in the OECD countries, while others go to the Third World countries, Asia or the Gulf.

For the African continent, migration is often South-South and not South-North. Following the example of recent conflict to date: 20,000 Libyans if landed on the small Italian island of Lampedusa, thrilling a Europe of 700 million, the same number of Libyans is currently in the refugee camp of Shusha, Tunisia , a country of 10 million. To this, add another 50,000 Libyans living in this small country of jasmine, and 350,000 sub-Saharan Africa.

In fact, in Africa, conflicts or economic problems are often generate more lateral. Thousands of Libyans are refugees in Egypt or Algeria. The Sudanese people from Darfur are in Chad, the Rwandan refugees are in the neighboring countries and in Tamanrasset, a town in southern Algeria, there are 20 African nationalities who are living together, representing 40% of the population of the city. Senegal and the Ivory Coast have more African immigrants than in France, which itself receives less African than Belgium for example.


3. Africa is overpopulated

False. This is not the most populous continent. It is much less than Asia, with its 3.9 billion people, so crowded that the American continent (900 million) and slightly more than Europe, with its 922 million people estimated 2005.

For the African population is spread over an area of ​​30 million square kilometers, three times more than Europe. There is room in Africa, even for the "white" in crisis. Africa is also the third destination for French expatriates, after the United States and the Middle East. A fun calculation is that there would be more "white" in Africa that Africans in Europe. Indeed, Europeans are numerous in Senegal, Ivory Coast or Gabon: they are 170,000, divided between French-speaking Africa (120,000), North Africa (50,000) and non-Francophone Africa (10,000). But what the police?



4. Africa is plagued by a persistent underdevelopment

False. Outside the Maghreb and South Africa, known for creating steady growth, many African countries achieve good economic results and the "African lions" champions of double-digit growth as Ghana and Ethiopia are examples of success. Africa attracts foreign investment, to the extent that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) forecasts an inflow of capital for the year 2011 and next year.

Of course, among the 10 most corrupt countries in the world there are four African countries, but there are five Asian and American countries (Haiti). However, on all continents, Africa is at the same level of corruption as in Central America, South America and Asia.

Economically, Africa has recorded its strongest growth over the past two decades, with a growth rate of gross domestic product of about 5% per year, to the point that Africa has become, since 2009, the first trading partner of China, which is investing heavily.

This growth continues in a continuous manner: the African Development Bank expects 3.7% for 2011 as global growth expected by the IMF for the same year is around 4%, divided between 2.5 % and 3% for the United States, around 1.5% for Europe (Greek forecasts before the crisis), with a small 1.3% for France. There is no picture, even in black and white.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pLix4QPL3tY


 


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1. Africa is a war's continent

False. With 68 current conflicts listed in the world in February 2011, only 27 are in Africa, against 36 in Asia.

Conflict is defined on a scale of intensity, "unstable peace" to "high intensity" conflict.  The highest levels are mostly in Asia: there are now four and only one in Africa (Somalia). Ditto for conflicts of medium intensity (8 in total), only two are in Africa, against six in other continents, Asia (Philippines), Middle East (Palestine) but also in Russia (Chechnya) or even Mexico. Territorial disputes between two or more parties are about 42 in Africa, against 68 in Asia. The war is not specific to Africa and has no particular colour, except the blood one the same for everyone.


2. African migrants invade Europe

False. Approximately 214 million migrants worldwide who live outside their country of birth, there are only 15 million sub-Saharan Africans living outside the continent, example only one African out of 30 chose to live in France.

Globally, only two out of five migrants settled in the OECD countries, while others go to the Third World countries, Asia or the Gulf.

For the African continent, migration is often South-South and not South-North. Following the example of recent conflict to date: 20,000 Libyans if landed on the small Italian island of Lampedusa, thrilling a Europe of 700 million, the same number of Libyans is currently in the refugee camp of Shusha, Tunisia , a country of 10 million. To this, add another 50,000 Libyans living in this small country of jasmine, and 350,000 sub-Saharan Africa.

In fact, in Africa, conflicts or economic problems are often generate more lateral. Thousands of Libyans are refugees in Egypt or Algeria. The Sudanese people from Darfur are in Chad, the Rwandan refugees are in the neighboring countries and in Tamanrasset, a town in southern Algeria, there are 20 African nationalities who are living together, representing 40% of the population of the city. Senegal and the Ivory Coast have more African immigrants than in France, which itself receives less African than Belgium for example.

3. Africa is overpopulated

False. This is not the most populous continent. It is much less than Asia, with its 3.9 billion people, so crowded that the American continent (900 million) and slightly more than Europe, with its 922 million people estimated 2005.

For the African population is spread over an area of ​​30 million square kilometers, three times more than Europe. There is room in Africa, even for the "white" in crisis. Africa is also the third destination for French expatriates, after the United States and the Middle East. A fun calculation is that there would be more "white" in Africa that Africans in Europe. Indeed, Europeans are numerous in Senegal, Ivory Coast or Gabon: they are 170,000, divided between French-speaking Africa (120,000), North Africa (50,000) and non-Francophone Africa (10,000). But what the police?



4. Africa is plagued by a persistent underdevelopment

False. Outside the Maghreb and South Africa, known for creating steady growth, many African countries achieve good economic results and the "African lions" champions of double-digit growth as Ghana and Ethiopia are examples of success. Africa attracts foreign investment, to the extent that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) forecasts an inflow of capital for the year 2011 and next year.

Of course, among the 10 most corrupt countries in the world there are four African countries, but there are five Asian and American countries (Haiti). However, on all continents, Africa is at the same level of corruption as in Central America, South America and Asia.

Economically, Africa has recorded its strongest growth over the past two decades, with a growth rate of gross domestic product of about 5% per year, to the point that Africa has become, since 2009, the first trading partner of China, which is investing heavily.

This growth continues in a continuous manner: the African Development Bank expects 3.7% for 2011 as global growth expected by the IMF for the same year is around 4%, divided between 2.5 % and 3% for the United States, around 1.5% for Europe (Greek forecasts before the crisis), with a small 1.3% for France. There is no picture, even in black and white.


Jul 1, 11 15:03

Thanks a lot for all this information. Most of this I wasn’t aware of so it’s greatly appreciated you took the time to share this with all of us.


I’m also a bit embarrassed to admit that for years, I’d been laboring under the impression that the vast majority of people weren’t happy there but from what you wrote about how Asia has four times as many high intensity conflicts, very few Africans actually choose to emigrate to Europe or elsewhere, it’s massively under-populated and it has a booming economy with (again) far less corruption that Asia it sounds an great place to live.


I was a bit baffled at someone else’s comments that this was word of mouth, when, for example on emigration, you’ve backed this up with stats from the UNHCR. Once again, many thanks for this info.

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Thanks a lot for all this information. Most of this I wasn’t aware of so it’s greatly appreciated you took the time to share this with all of us.


I’m also a bit embarrassed to admit that for years, I’d been laboring under the impression that the vast majority of people weren’t happy there but from what you wrote about how Asia has four times as many high intensity conflicts, very few Africans actually choose to emigrate to Europe or elsewhere, it’s massively under-populated and it has a booming economy with (again) far less corruption that Asia it sounds an great place to live.


I was a bit baffled at someone else’s comments that this was word of mouth, when, for example on emigration, you’ve backed this up with stats from the UNHCR. Once again, many thanks for this info.


Rich, Jul 2, 2011 @ 15:15
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Jan 1, 70 01:00

Where are the facts for your statements?

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Where are the facts for your statements?


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Btw, visiting "Africa" is quite a feat as it is 54 countries.   

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Btw, visiting "Africa" is quite a feat as it is 54 countries.   


Translator, Jul 3, 2011 @ 13:49
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Of course Geoffrey knows all about all things African. He was born and raised  in Luxembourg. Discuss.


 

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Of course Geoffrey knows all about all things African. He was born and raised  in Luxembourg. Discuss.


 


Rich, Jul 3, 2011 @ 16:44
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He is "afro-centric" because everyone knows there is nothing good to be said about Africa. After all, some people have visited Africa. They feel, therefore, qualified to make sweeping judgements about it.


I've eaten Chinese food. Does that count?

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He is "afro-centric" because everyone knows there is nothing good to be said about Africa. After all, some people have visited Africa. They feel, therefore, qualified to make sweeping judgements about it.


I've eaten Chinese food. Does that count?


Translator, Jul 3, 2011 @ 17:32
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And it goes a little somethin' like dis...

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And it goes a little somethin' like dis...


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Shoot.. was trying to post the Stereotypes song...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCgx8zM3woQ

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Shoot.. was trying to post the Stereotypes song...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCgx8zM3woQ


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Something like what? Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Thanks.

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Something like what? Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Thanks.


Rich, Jul 3, 2011 @ 17:51
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Here are the facts (my sources derive or reside in Africa):


1. These conflicts are not just ignored...they are some of the most gruesome around!  It saddens me that the North Africa region has now joined the party.


2. The advent of African immigration to Europe is ever increasing.  Well documented situations seen recently from North Africa to Europe is small change...people from war-torn countries sometimes have no other option.  Its lamentable.


3. Adding to this, it has one of the lowest life expectancy rates and as xutka stipulated, it is hard to sustain the growth.


4. Here I can comment...a dear person (which I will choose not to disclose) has become a multi-millionaire through corruption.  My sources tell me the same applies to countries in the North, East, West of the continent.  A crying shame because having visited (a number of countries) the continent, I have only good things to say about it.  Corruption the exception...and there is a analysis somewhere on the Net listing the most corrupt countries in the world.  I seem to recall at least 6 from Africa were in the Top-10.


 

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Here are the facts (my sources derive or reside in Africa):


1. These conflicts are not just ignored...they are some of the most gruesome around!  It saddens me that the North Africa region has now joined the party.


2. The advent of African immigration to Europe is ever increasing.  Well documented situations seen recently from North Africa to Europe is small change...people from war-torn countries sometimes have no other option.  Its lamentable.


3. Adding to this, it has one of the lowest life expectancy rates and as xutka stipulated, it is hard to sustain the growth.


4. Here I can comment...a dear person (which I will choose not to disclose) has become a multi-millionaire through corruption.  My sources tell me the same applies to countries in the North, East, West of the continent.  A crying shame because having visited (a number of countries) the continent, I have only good things to say about it.  Corruption the exception...and there is a analysis somewhere on the Net listing the most corrupt countries in the world.  I seem to recall at least 6 from Africa were in the Top-10.


 


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I think before jumping to any conclusions, it would be best if Geoffrey replied explaining in detail all the time he's spent living in various African countries and not Luxembourg as stated,   

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I think before jumping to any conclusions, it would be best if Geoffrey replied explaining in detail all the time he's spent living in various African countries and not Luxembourg as stated,   


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Rich - you are a LEGEND Cool

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Rich - you are a LEGEND Cool


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Here are the facts (my sources derive or reside in Africa):

1. These conflicts are not just ignored...they are some of the most gruesome around!  It saddens me that the North Africa region has now joined the party.

2. The advent of African immigration to Europe is ever increasing.  Well documented situations seen recently from North Africa to Europe is small change...people from war-torn countries sometimes have no other option.  Its lamentable.

3. Adding to this, it has one of the lowest life expectancy rates and as xutka stipulated, it is hard to sustain the growth.

4. Here I can comment...a dear person (which I will choose not to disclose) has become a multi-millionaire through corruption.  My sources tell me the same applies to countries in the North, East, West of the continent.  A crying shame because having visited (a number of countries) the continent, I have only good things to say about it.  Corruption the exception...and there is a analysis somewhere on the Net listing the most corrupt countries in the world.  I seem to recall at least 6 from Africa were in the Top-10.

 


Jul 3, 11 20:06

Sorry, these are not facts, they are simply statements you have made without any evidence at all to back them up.


1) Conflicts: Most of African conflicts are reported quite extensively. Many people choose not to read them. All one has to do is check www.bbc.co.uk news website, as one example.  


2) "The advent of African immigration is ever increasing." Was this sentence written with google translate? There have not been widespread increases in African migration to Europe.


" The latest report on migration by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) says African migration to developed countries is marginal in relation to overall flows." 


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6228236.stm


3) On economic and population growth in Africa:


a) Population growth: "Africa has a rapidly growing population of 500 million people, yet 75% of the continent is sparsely inhabited....With the highest birthrate of any continent, Africa is projected to grow to two billion by 2050."


http://www.africanculturalcenter.org/5_2_2population.html


b) "Africa enjoyed robust economic growth in the last decade (2001-2010) and will enjoy broad based growth going forward (IMF). Growth rates on the continent already rivals other emerging markets and is expected to overtake (if reforms continue) growth rates in Asia this decade. Africa’s changing fortunes is due to economic liberalization, increasing trade with Asia, intraAfrica trade via regional trading blocs amongst others. Recovery is strong as most African countries rebounded from the global recession in 2009; the continent has a vibrant consumer market of potentially one billion people." http://www.iq4news.com/nwakego/economic-growth-africa-2011 


4) On corruption: I couldn't stop laughing about these comments.  Guess which nation features prominently on Transparency International's site at the moment? Greece.  Corruption exists everywhere. Here in Switzerland, it has many names. Some call it FIFA.


http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2011/tackling_corruption_in_greece

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Sorry, these are not facts, they are simply statements you have made without any evidence at all to back them up.


1) Conflicts: Most of African conflicts are reported quite extensively. Many people choose not to read them. All one has to do is check www.bbc.co.uk news website, as one example.  


2) "The advent of African immigration is ever increasing." Was this sentence written with google translate? There have not been widespread increases in African migration to Europe.


" The latest report on migration by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) says African migration to developed countries is marginal in relation to overall flows." 


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6228236.stm


3) On economic and population growth in Africa:


a) Population growth: "Africa has a rapidly growing population of 500 million people, yet 75% of the continent is sparsely inhabited....With the highest birthrate of any continent, Africa is projected to grow to two billion by 2050."


http://www.africanculturalcenter.org/5_2_2population.html


b) "Africa enjoyed robust economic growth in the last decade (2001-2010) and will enjoy broad based growth going forward (IMF). Growth rates on the continent already rivals other emerging markets and is expected to overtake (if reforms continue) growth rates in Asia this decade. Africa’s changing fortunes is due to economic liberalization, increasing trade with Asia, intraAfrica trade via regional trading blocs amongst others. Recovery is strong as most African countries rebounded from the global recession in 2009; the continent has a vibrant consumer market of potentially one billion people." http://www.iq4news.com/nwakego/economic-growth-africa-2011 


4) On corruption: I couldn't stop laughing about these comments.  Guess which nation features prominently on Transparency International's site at the moment? Greece.  Corruption exists everywhere. Here in Switzerland, it has many names. Some call it FIFA.


http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2011/tackling_corruption_in_greece


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Something like what? Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Thanks.


Jul 3, 11 17:51

Sorry my US English is difficult to understand, inn't?

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Sorry my US English is difficult to understand, inn't?


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I aint a super intelligent liberal, but i can see that you are stating the facts! Rather than sitting in your ivory tower writing  gibberish.

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I aint a super intelligent liberal, but i can see that you are stating the facts! Rather than sitting in your ivory tower writing  gibberish.


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As Translator said corruption is everywhere. According to The 2010 Corruption Perceptions Index report provided Transparency International (TI), you can notice that in the 10 most corrupt countries in the world there 5 African and 5 Asian countries. After all my facts were not so rubbish lol


Most of my sources were in French, I am sorry I was lazy to translate them in English Smile


“I have read several posts from Geoffrey, he's clearly one of those confused, doesn't know where he belongs, type of guys mixed with African that eventually turns into bitterness, racism and afro-centrism.”


You are right, indeed I am confused I am half French and half PALESTINIAN grew up between Middle East and Europe, and travelling with an Israeli passport.

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As Translator said corruption is everywhere. According to The 2010 Corruption Perceptions Index report provided Transparency International (TI), you can notice that in the 10 most corrupt countries in the world there 5 African and 5 Asian countries. After all my facts were not so rubbish lol


Most of my sources were in French, I am sorry I was lazy to translate them in English Smile


“I have read several posts from Geoffrey, he's clearly one of those confused, doesn't know where he belongs, type of guys mixed with African that eventually turns into bitterness, racism and afro-centrism.”


You are right, indeed I am confused I am half French and half PALESTINIAN grew up between Middle East and Europe, and travelling with an Israeli passport.


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I trust face to face advice instead of having to resort to media web sites (which are controlled by power mad freaks).

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I trust face to face advice instead of having to resort to media web sites (which are controlled by power mad freaks).


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babbling idiocy in this forum is a tragic curse as common as ants at a picnic!

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babbling idiocy in this forum is a tragic curse as common as ants at a picnic!


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As Translator said corruption is everywhere. According to The 2010 Corruption Perceptions Index report provided Transparency International (TI), you can notice that in the 10 most corrupt countries in the world there 5 African and 5 Asian countries. After all my facts were not so rubbish lol

Most of my sources were in French, I am sorry I was lazy to translate them in English Smile

“I have read several posts from Geoffrey, he's clearly one of those confused, doesn't know where he belongs, type of guys mixed with African that eventually turns into bitterness, racism and afro-centrism.”

You are right, indeed I am confused I am half French and half PALESTINIAN grew up between Middle East and Europe, and travelling with an Israeli passport.


Jul 4, 11 10:11

I don't know if you're confused or not, but that certainly makes you a very interesting individual!

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I don't know if you're confused or not, but that certainly makes you a very interesting individual!


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I removed Xutba's post because it was insulting & ignorant.


Oded

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I removed Xutba's post because it was insulting & ignorant.


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I removed Xutba's post because it was insulting & ignorant.

Oded


Jul 4, 11 10:44

Thank you for removing her post. I do not understand why this person is allowed to continue to post on Glocals after calling one member a "douchebag," and after this most recent -- and, yes, clearly racist, wrong, insulting and ignorant post.

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Thank you for removing her post. I do not understand why this person is allowed to continue to post on Glocals after calling one member a "douchebag," and after this most recent -- and, yes, clearly racist, wrong, insulting and ignorant post.


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Probably for the same reason you're still allowed to post despite the many warnings we've had to send you over the years - because we try not to block people too quickly lest the 'freedom of speech' brigade clog up our inboxes with complaints.


Even we have our limits though and they are quick appraching so unless we see a serious attitude adjustment in Xutba's posts,  our ways will soon be parting.


O

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Probably for the same reason you're still allowed to post despite the many warnings we've had to send you over the years - because we try not to block people too quickly lest the 'freedom of speech' brigade clog up our inboxes with complaints.


Even we have our limits though and they are quick appraching so unless we see a serious attitude adjustment in Xutba's posts,  our ways will soon be parting.


O


SiteAdmin Oded, Jul 4, 2011 @ 11:19
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I trust face to face advice instead of having to resort to media web sites (which are controlled by power mad freaks).


Jul 4, 11 10:11

That is an interesting comment. Among others on this forum, I've direct experience living in and traveling extensively throughout Africa. Others who comment intelligently appear at least to have read some sources and put forward some sort of cogent arguments.


What your response does show is that you are unable to argue with facts.of any kind. I'm always astonished at how people revel in their ignorance on open forums. 

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That is an interesting comment. Among others on this forum, I've direct experience living in and traveling extensively throughout Africa. Others who comment intelligently appear at least to have read some sources and put forward some sort of cogent arguments.


What your response does show is that you are unable to argue with facts.of any kind. I'm always astonished at how people revel in their ignorance on open forums. 


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Thanks for your response. In the past, whenever I have made snarky comments I have generally apologized. This person never has. However, happy to see that you are monitoring the situation.

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Thanks for your response. In the past, whenever I have made snarky comments I have generally apologized. This person never has. However, happy to see that you are monitoring the situation.


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I am sorry to be boring to repost the part of Swiss Penal Code, which talks about racism, however I really think some people have to be aware about it before to post anything on internet.



“Those who publicly incite hatred or discrimination against a person or group of persons because of their racial, ethnic or religious;

Those who publicly propagate an ideology aiming to disparage or denigrate systematically members of a particular race, ethnicity or religion;


Those who, for the same purpose, have organized or encouraged acts of propaganda or takes part;

Those who have publicly, in speech, writing, image, gesture, by assault or otherwise discriminated against or lowered in a way that undermines human dignity a person or group of persons because of their race, their ethnicity or their religion or who, for the same reason, deny, grossly minimize or seek to justify genocide or other crimes against humanity;

Those who having refused to a person or group of persons because of their racial, ethnic or religious, a service intended for public use,

shall be punished with imprisonment of three years or a fine.”


You can find more information on:


http://www.ekr.admin.ch/themen/00042/00054/index.html?lang=fr


 


Btw the Swiss Coordination Unit for Cybercrime Control (CYCO) http://www.cybercrime.ch is a service responsible for matters of racism on the Internet. It shall, where appropriate, send the case to the criminal prosecution authorities.

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I am sorry to be boring to repost the part of Swiss Penal Code, which talks about racism, however I really think some people have to be aware about it before to post anything on internet.



“Those who publicly incite hatred or discrimination against a person or group of persons because of their racial, ethnic or religious;

Those who publicly propagate an ideology aiming to disparage or denigrate systematically members of a particular race, ethnicity or religion;


Those who, for the same purpose, have organized or encouraged acts of propaganda or takes part;

Those who have publicly, in speech, writing, image, gesture, by assault or otherwise discriminated against or lowered in a way that undermines human dignity a person or group of persons because of their race, their ethnicity or their religion or who, for the same reason, deny, grossly minimize or seek to justify genocide or other crimes against humanity;

Those who having refused to a person or group of persons because of their racial, ethnic or religious, a service intended for public use,

shall be punished with imprisonment of three years or a fine.”


You can find more information on:


http://www.ekr.admin.ch/themen/00042/00054/index.html?lang=fr


 


Btw the Swiss Coordination Unit for Cybercrime Control (CYCO) http://www.cybercrime.ch is a service responsible for matters of racism on the Internet. It shall, where appropriate, send the case to the criminal prosecution authorities.


Felipe Marciano, Jul 4, 2011 @ 11:32
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Probably for the same reason you're still allowed to post despite the many warnings we've had to send you over the years - because we try not to block people too quickly lest the 'freedom of speech' brigade clog up our inboxes with complaints.

Even we have our limits though and they are quick appraching so unless we see a serious attitude adjustment in Xutba's posts,  our ways will soon be parting.

O


Jul 4, 11 11:19

As far as I know "snarky comments" are not considered as illegal and "racist comments" are ILLEGAL !!!

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As far as I know "snarky comments" are not considered as illegal and "racist comments" are ILLEGAL !!!


Felipe Marciano, Jul 4, 2011 @ 11:44
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Ok.


As per Xutka's request, her profile has been deleted.


Please refrain from posting replies to her and/or statements about her, as she can no longer reply.


Oded

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Ok.


As per Xutka's request, her profile has been deleted.


Please refrain from posting replies to her and/or statements about her, as she can no longer reply.


Oded


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I am sorry to be boring to repost the part of Swiss Penal Code, which talks about racism, however I really think some people have to be aware about it before to post anything on internet.


“Those who publicly incite hatred or discrimination against a person or group of persons because of their racial, ethnic or religious;

Those who publicly propagate an ideology aiming to disparage or denigrate systematically members of a particular race, ethnicity or religion;


Those who, for the same purpose, have organized or encouraged acts of propaganda or takes part;

Those who have publicly, in speech, writing, image, gesture, by assault or otherwise discriminated against or lowered in a way that undermines human dignity a person or group of persons because of their race, their ethnicity or their religion or who, for the same reason, deny, grossly minimize or seek to justify genocide or other crimes against humanity;

Those who having refused to a person or group of persons because of their racial, ethnic or religious, a service intended for public use,

shall be punished with imprisonment of three years or a fine.”

You can find more information on:

http://www.ekr.admin.ch/themen/00042/00054/index.html?lang=fr

 

Btw the Swiss Coordination Unit for Cybercrime Control (CYCO) http://www.cybercrime.ch is a service responsible for matters of racism on the Internet. It shall, where appropriate, send the case to the criminal prosecution authorities.


Jul 4, 11 11:32

I don't want to be the devil's advocate but Xutkka might be outspoken and cocky but you're annoying; we live in a democracy, live and let live, if she wants to think Africa is not all that, she has the right to think like that.


It doesn't need to affect anybody here, it's her personal opinion, if you don't like it then that's your problem, I personally could care less what others like or dislike.


I think it's pathetic that no one here can post anything that goes against the flow because then you come across with the he/she will be reported to the authorities and all that drama that comes along, is not the first time I see you telling other people that.


There seems to be little understanding of what a democracy is, and how it functions.


Democracy is not forcing everyone to think liberal like you and then shoving political correctness down every one's throats because if not, then you shall report them to the pertaining authorities, where are we? in the freaking Soviet Union in the 50's?


 



 

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I don't want to be the devil's advocate but Xutkka might be outspoken and cocky but you're annoying; we live in a democracy, live and let live, if she wants to think Africa is not all that, she has the right to think like that.


It doesn't need to affect anybody here, it's her personal opinion, if you don't like it then that's your problem, I personally could care less what others like or dislike.


I think it's pathetic that no one here can post anything that goes against the flow because then you come across with the he/she will be reported to the authorities and all that drama that comes along, is not the first time I see you telling other people that.


There seems to be little understanding of what a democracy is, and how it functions.


Democracy is not forcing everyone to think liberal like you and then shoving political correctness down every one's throats because if not, then you shall report them to the pertaining authorities, where are we? in the freaking Soviet Union in the 50's?


 



 


andy o, Jul 4, 2011 @ 12:50
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With that being said, I am finding this forum increasingly annoying (Remind myself to never post here again, just take part of the great activies Glocals have to offer like most members and that's it)


 


 

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With that being said, I am finding this forum increasingly annoying (Remind myself to never post here again, just take part of the great activies Glocals have to offer like most members and that's it)


 


 


andy o, Jul 4, 2011 @ 12:58
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Ive "LIVED" in both continents, and can say that war/violence is horrible on both the Asian and African continents.


The level of violence afflicted on other huimans cannot be compared between the two.....is slicing someone up witha machete worse than with a sword? Is the use of an AK47 worse than a QJY88?? I garrotting worse than burning someone in a tyre?


As to poverty...clearly Asia is progressing in its industrial revolution faster than Africa... but the poor eat rice as a staple diet on both continents...


Corruption from the police to government is rife everywhere.... not just these two... A trip to Russia (a 1st world country) will prove that... The US happens to be a little less "obvious" with its corruption... open or underhand corruption..which is worse?


The geography, and the history of both continents is varied, and differs greatly, and probably is/was a defining factor for western stereotyping... especially since more of Africa was colonised and exploited in recent historical terms by western countries than Asia was...


Population growth in both regions is huge, compared to Europe... but its concentrated in specific areas.... There probably isnt much growth in the sahara region due to high infancy death rates... medical improvements in countries such as Nigeria have reduced infancy death (albeit its still very high), so percentage wise the growth is fast... in Asia... look at the controls China has implemented to curb staggering growth...


Most intelligent people who read the papers/internet, and have listened to their teachers at school can understand these facts...


Comparing Asia to Africa is like comparing Beef to Pork... both are meats, one is generally preferred in taste to the other depending on whom you talk to, but that depends entirely as how its cooked/presented....


Clever people ignore stereotypes.... but everyone has a preference... variation being the spice of life...


I wish for World peace and balanced conversation on Glocals.... oh and the sodding Euromillions Lotto jackpot...


Enjoy

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Ive "LIVED" in both continents, and can say that war/violence is horrible on both the Asian and African continents.


The level of violence afflicted on other huimans cannot be compared between the two.....is slicing someone up witha machete worse than with a sword? Is the use of an AK47 worse than a QJY88?? I garrotting worse than burning someone in a tyre?


As to poverty...clearly Asia is progressing in its industrial revolution faster than Africa... but the poor eat rice as a staple diet on both continents...


Corruption from the police to government is rife everywhere.... not just these two... A trip to Russia (a 1st world country) will prove that... The US happens to be a little less "obvious" with its corruption... open or underhand corruption..which is worse?


The geography, and the history of both continents is varied, and differs greatly, and probably is/was a defining factor for western stereotyping... especially since more of Africa was colonised and exploited in recent historical terms by western countries than Asia was...


Population growth in both regions is huge, compared to Europe... but its concentrated in specific areas.... There probably isnt much growth in the sahara region due to high infancy death rates... medical improvements in countries such as Nigeria have reduced infancy death (albeit its still very high), so percentage wise the growth is fast... in Asia... look at the controls China has implemented to curb staggering growth...


Most intelligent people who read the papers/internet, and have listened to their teachers at school can understand these facts...


Comparing Asia to Africa is like comparing Beef to Pork... both are meats, one is generally preferred in taste to the other depending on whom you talk to, but that depends entirely as how its cooked/presented....


Clever people ignore stereotypes.... but everyone has a preference... variation being the spice of life...


I wish for World peace and balanced conversation on Glocals.... oh and the sodding Euromillions Lotto jackpot...


Enjoy


Charlie, Jul 4, 2011 @ 13:19
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I don't want to be the devil's advocate but Xutkka might be outspoken and cocky but you're annoying; we live in a democracy, live and let live, if she wants to think Africa is not all that, she has the right to think like that.

It doesn't need to affect anybody here, it's her personal opinion, if you don't like it then that's your problem, I personally could care less what others like or dislike.

I think it's pathetic that no one here can post anything that goes against the flow because then you come across with the he/she will be reported to the authorities and all that drama that comes along, is not the first time I see you telling other people that.

There seems to be little understanding of what a democracy is, and how it functions.

Democracy is not forcing everyone to think liberal like you and then shoving political correctness down every one's throats because if not, then you shall report them to the pertaining authorities, where are we? in the freaking Soviet Union in the 50's?

 

 


Jul 4, 11 12:50

“I have read several posts from Geoffrey, he's clearly one of those confused, doesn't know where he belongs, type of guys mixed with African that eventually turns into bitterness, racism and afro-centrism.”


Do you think she has the right to tell that?

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“I have read several posts from Geoffrey, he's clearly one of those confused, doesn't know where he belongs, type of guys mixed with African that eventually turns into bitterness, racism and afro-centrism.”


Do you think she has the right to tell that?


Felipe Marciano, Jul 4, 2011 @ 14:08
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For your information :


If a poster is comdened by the Swiss Criminal Prosecution Authorities, it can be easily tracked even his/her profile has been removed Smile

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For your information :


If a poster is comdened by the Swiss Criminal Prosecution Authorities, it can be easily tracked even his/her profile has been removed Smile


Geoffrey L, Jul 4, 2011 @ 14:46
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0

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I don't want to be the devil's advocate but Xutkka might be outspoken and cocky but you're annoying; we live in a democracy, live and let live, if she wants to think Africa is not all that, she has the right to think like that.

It doesn't need to affect anybody here, it's her personal opinion, if you don't like it then that's your problem, I personally could care less what others like or dislike.

I think it's pathetic that no one here can post anything that goes against the flow because then you come across with the he/she will be reported to the authorities and all that drama that comes along, is not the first time I see you telling other people that.

There seems to be little understanding of what a democracy is, and how it functions.

Democracy is not forcing everyone to think liberal like you and then shoving political correctness down every one's throats because if not, then you shall report them to the pertaining authorities, where are we? in the freaking Soviet Union in the 50's?

 

 


Jul 4, 11 12:50

As far as I know the democracy and the freedom of speech are regulated by the law, do you agree?


You can find more information about what it is forbidden on the Swiss Code Penal.

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As far as I know the democracy and the freedom of speech are regulated by the law, do you agree?


You can find more information about what it is forbidden on the Swiss Code Penal.


Felipe Marciano, Jul 4, 2011 @ 15:15
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0


Jul 4, 11 14:56

That damn song... i dont know a single 6 to 9 yr old girl on this continent of Europe who doesnt know these words off by heart. My 8 yr old went to see her live at Palexpo a few weeks back.....


Personally prefer her in this clip.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5irTX82olg&feature=related

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That damn song... i dont know a single 6 to 9 yr old girl on this continent of Europe who doesnt know these words off by heart. My 8 yr old went to see her live at Palexpo a few weeks back.....


Personally prefer her in this clip.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5irTX82olg&feature=related


Charlie, Jul 4, 2011 @ 16:26
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As far as I know the democracy and the freedom of speech are regulated by the law, do you agree?

You can find more information about what it is forbidden on the Swiss Code Penal.


Jul 4, 11 15:15

As far as I know, there is something called freedom of speech, A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, since you're so concerned about penal codes and rights and so on.


We're entitled to disliking whatever we please as long as we're not harming anybody, and expressing one's views on Africa is not harming any one physically!


I do not appreciate you trying to do Nir or Oded's job monitoring people's opinions and then threatening them with reporting them to the Swiss authorities like you did with Star and now with Xutkka simply because they dislike something you like, especially when you have comments against Israel that are not exactly sparkling with appreciation!


Know your damn place and let the administration ban, delete whatever they feel does not comply with the norms of THEIR website.....  I have seen some opposing views on Glocals, but I have never seen threats or people trying to kill each other.... so stop the overreaction and stop annoying me and I am sure some other folks.


 


There... I really had to let this out since the Star incident!

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As far as I know, there is something called freedom of speech, A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, since you're so concerned about penal codes and rights and so on.


We're entitled to disliking whatever we please as long as we're not harming anybody, and expressing one's views on Africa is not harming any one physically!


I do not appreciate you trying to do Nir or Oded's job monitoring people's opinions and then threatening them with reporting them to the Swiss authorities like you did with Star and now with Xutkka simply because they dislike something you like, especially when you have comments against Israel that are not exactly sparkling with appreciation!


Know your damn place and let the administration ban, delete whatever they feel does not comply with the norms of THEIR website.....  I have seen some opposing views on Glocals, but I have never seen threats or people trying to kill each other.... so stop the overreaction and stop annoying me and I am sure some other folks.


 


There... I really had to let this out since the Star incident!


andy o, Jul 4, 2011 @ 20:33
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All: we closed this thread. 


Felipe: pls no more posting the swiss penal code and no more posting veiled threats to report people to the authorities because of what they post (I think this is the 3rd or 4th time you post that). If you do want to report anyone to the government because of what they posted on glocals, just go ahead. I'm sure the authorities will react with great urgency. 


Nir


 

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All: we closed this thread. 


Felipe: pls no more posting the swiss penal code and no more posting veiled threats to report people to the authorities because of what they post (I think this is the 3rd or 4th time you post that). If you do want to report anyone to the government because of what they posted on glocals, just go ahead. I'm sure the authorities will react with great urgency. 


Nir


 


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