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America's national debt: a severly misunderstood concept?

Here is a short clip from Fareed Zakaria who makes an argument against worrying about china turning its back on the dollar. whatever you think about his point of view i believe the little fact he dropped around 1.50minutes should get A LOT more news coverage: China, although massively important, owns (according to him) a small fraction of the total US debt: the vast majority of it (again, according to him) concerns americans and american 'institutions' like the federal reserve. for someone who doesn't work in international banking i find this more than mildly interesting. i've tried to fact-check this on the internet but anything remotely attached to 'federal reserve' produces endless reams of conspiracy web links. anyone care to enlighten me?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy9tnHj4BJ8

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Here is a short clip from Fareed Zakaria who makes an argument against worrying about china turning its back on the dollar. whatever you think about his point of view i believe the little fact he dropped around 1.50minutes should get A LOT more news coverage: China, although massively important, owns (according to him) a small fraction of the total US debt: the vast majority of it (again, according to him) concerns americans and american 'institutions' like the federal reserve. for someone who doesn't work in international banking i find this more than mildly interesting. i've tried to fact-check this on the internet but anything remotely attached to 'federal reserve' produces endless reams of conspiracy web links. anyone care to enlighten me?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy9tnHj4BJ8


manics1984Sep 4, 2011 @ 15:02
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Read somewhere that around 75% of US debt is held by institutions in the US (pension funds, etc). Will look for a source

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Read somewhere that around 75% of US debt is held by institutions in the US (pension funds, etc). Will look for a source


Ivo Mulder, Sep 4, 2011 @ 15:55
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Good question!  Bush Sr. once referred to Reagan's economic poliicies during the leadership race as voodoo economics (he chanced his view after accepting the VP nomination).  The more I read about economics, the history and theory of money and finance I think it's all voodoo.  Economics is ideology in my opinion and not science.  It's full of mathematical formulas and models but all based on ideological assumptions/biases/points of view.


Still there are some interesting economists worth reading to give an idea of the origin of the financial meltdown and what the future holds. Mark Wiesbrot and Dean Baker are two.  Here Weisbrot writes on the debt crisis that wasn't: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/05/the-crisis-that-wasnt/


"China likes to talk about addiction but it is just as hooked on debt: US debt that enables it to invest its surplus funds without undue risk and to go on exporting at a profit. China holds only 8.1% of the US debt, but it is the prime source of foreign loans, ahead of Japan (6.4%) and the UK (2.3%) — which confers rights but imposes constraints. If China stopped buying treasury bonds, or if the dollar fell, its vast (dollar) reserves would collapse".


http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/02/hooked-on-debt/


According to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_debt#Ownership_of_debt


 

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Good question!  Bush Sr. once referred to Reagan's economic poliicies during the leadership race as voodoo economics (he chanced his view after accepting the VP nomination).  The more I read about economics, the history and theory of money and finance I think it's all voodoo.  Economics is ideology in my opinion and not science.  It's full of mathematical formulas and models but all based on ideological assumptions/biases/points of view.


Still there are some interesting economists worth reading to give an idea of the origin of the financial meltdown and what the future holds. Mark Wiesbrot and Dean Baker are two.  Here Weisbrot writes on the debt crisis that wasn't: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/05/the-crisis-that-wasnt/


"China likes to talk about addiction but it is just as hooked on debt: US debt that enables it to invest its surplus funds without undue risk and to go on exporting at a profit. China holds only 8.1% of the US debt, but it is the prime source of foreign loans, ahead of Japan (6.4%) and the UK (2.3%) — which confers rights but imposes constraints. If China stopped buying treasury bonds, or if the dollar fell, its vast (dollar) reserves would collapse".


http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/02/hooked-on-debt/


According to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_debt#Ownership_of_debt


 


Marksist, Sep 4, 2011 @ 18:46
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