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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israel-may-have-committed-war-crimes-says-uns-human-rights-chief-9624205.html HOW MANY MORE LIVES UNTIL "May"  becomes "Has", I am losing faith in humanity seeing the manslaughter and the silence of the world.... Is there anyone here who feels the same?  I don't think it's about religion anymore,  you just need to be human to stand up and condemn the zionist crimes!! 

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israel-may-have-committed-war-crimes-says-uns-human-rights-chief-9624205.html HOW MANY MORE LIVES UNTIL "May"  becomes "Has", I am losing faith in humanity seeing the manslaughter and the silence of the world.... Is there anyone here who feels the same?  I don't think it's about religion anymore,  you just need to be human to stand up and condemn the zionist crimes!! 


Nasrin JJul 24, 2014 @ 01:49
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UNRWA confirms that Hamas stores its rockets in schools - yet it only accuses Israel of war crimes. 


Odd isn't it?  Might make one think that perhaps the UN human rights comissioner has a tiny bit of a bias.



UNRWA Condemns Placement of Rockets, for a Second Time, in One of Its Schools


http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools 

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UNRWA confirms that Hamas stores its rockets in schools - yet it only accuses Israel of war crimes. 


Odd isn't it?  Might make one think that perhaps the UN human rights comissioner has a tiny bit of a bias.



UNRWA Condemns Placement of Rockets, for a Second Time, in One of Its Schools


http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools 


Richard T, Jul 24, 2014 @ 16:03
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So many children are dying because of the zionists and then there are some idiots who still talk about the rockets. Where is the world going,  absolutely disgusting!!! 

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So many children are dying because of the zionists and then there are some idiots who still talk about the rockets. Where is the world going,  absolutely disgusting!!! 


Nasrin J, Jul 24, 2014 @ 22:42
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You're right Nasrin. This has nothing to do with Hamas or rockets. It's all because of the zionists. 

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You're right Nasrin. This has nothing to do with Hamas or rockets. It's all because of the zionists. 


Richard T, Jul 25, 2014 @ 11:13
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and possibly it might have something to do with the large untapped natural gas deposit worth $4 billion that was found to be sitting just off the Palestian coast in 2000!!  I read that Israel are affraid that Hamas will secure funds from the proceeds of the gas sale so they are trying to make Hamas an insignificant force by taking out their military capabilities.  Money had to be at the root of this problem - it always is. 


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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

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and possibly it might have something to do with the large untapped natural gas deposit worth $4 billion that was found to be sitting just off the Palestian coast in 2000!!  I read that Israel are affraid that Hamas will secure funds from the proceeds of the gas sale so they are trying to make Hamas an insignificant force by taking out their military capabilities.  Money had to be at the root of this problem - it always is. 


Read the article here:


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis


Kevin K, Jul 28, 2014 @ 20:47
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I stopped counting but I'm sure that ISIS has killed many more children, woman, old people etc etc. Do you cry wolf against them as well or are you just a person who hates jews?

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I stopped counting but I'm sure that ISIS has killed many more children, woman, old people etc etc. Do you cry wolf against them as well or are you just a person who hates jews?


smile2sandro, Aug 13, 2014 @ 11:42
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OH wait but I forgot that in popular circles around the hamas folks they blame the zionists for ISIS as well...


 

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OH wait but I forgot that in popular circles around the hamas folks they blame the zionists for ISIS as well...


 


smile2sandro, Aug 13, 2014 @ 11:44
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The End of Israel ends the Anti-semitism and ends the conflict in the Middle East! The Zionists created the state of Israel to solve the Anti-semitism problems in Europe. The Zionist state didn't solve the problem but increased the Anti-semitism in the World. To end the Anti-semitism and the conflict in the Middle East should end the Zionist state!

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The End of Israel ends the Anti-semitism and ends the conflict in the Middle East! The Zionists created the state of Israel to solve the Anti-semitism problems in Europe. The Zionist state didn't solve the problem but increased the Anti-semitism in the World. To end the Anti-semitism and the conflict in the Middle East should end the Zionist state!


Aldo L, Aug 17, 2014 @ 22:06
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Money is important but the Israelis went very far in their crimes and the World will punish them for the crimes in Gaza especially the killing of the children and women in Gaza. What happened in Rafah on the 1st August is a war crime against the civil population. Givati commander Ofer Winter who is religious and who said that the War in Gaza is to Kill the enemy of God has ordered to shelling Rafah with 1000 artillery bombs in 3 hours without distinction which caused the death of 130 civilians and injured more than 300.

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Money is important but the Israelis went very far in their crimes and the World will punish them for the crimes in Gaza especially the killing of the children and women in Gaza. What happened in Rafah on the 1st August is a war crime against the civil population. Givati commander Ofer Winter who is religious and who said that the War in Gaza is to Kill the enemy of God has ordered to shelling Rafah with 1000 artillery bombs in 3 hours without distinction which caused the death of 130 civilians and injured more than 300.


Aldo L, Aug 17, 2014 @ 22:12
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‘Clouds of Glory’ Protected Us, Says Givati Brigade Commander Col. Ofer Winter
 Christine Darg /  August 2, 2014 /  News,Trending

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YouTube Screenshot of IDF Col. Ofer Winter
YouTube Screenshot of IDF Col. Ofer Winter

At the beginning of the Gaza campaign the Jerusalem Channel posted a prayer alert concerning an infantry brigade commander who was not ashamed to call his troops to prayer. His name is Col. Ofer Winter, a Givati Brigade commander, and we called for intercessory prayer support (http://jerusalemchannel.tv/israelis-engage-spiritual-warfare-going-battle/) on his behalf because of loud criticisms by the politically correct detractors.


But now, here is a wonderful answer to our prayers: a “divine miracle” protected the soldiers under Winter’s command who are fighting in the Gaza Strip, according to a report quoted in The Times of Israel.


The Givati Brigade commander made claims of divine protection in an interview with the ultra-Orthodox weekly Mishpacha ["Family"]  Earlier, he had met with criticism for rallying his troops with religious messages.


Winter claimed he had never seen such a miraculous occurrence previously in his military career: a predawn raid had been delayed, forcing his soldiers to move in the light of the rising sun, but suddenly a heavy fog descended from out of nowhere to conceal their movements until their objective was achieved.


“Suddenly a cloud protected us,” Col. Winter said, making reference to the “clouds of glory” that protected the Israelites as they wandered in the desert. Only when the soldiers were in a secure position did the fog dissipate.


“It really was a fulfillment of the verse ‘For the Lord your God is the one who goes with you to give you victory,’” Winter said, quoting Deuteronomy 31:8.


This is the same Orthodox Jewish commander, as Israeli troops prepared for the initial ground incursion, who had composed a Biblical-style letter to his subordinate officers. His letter was reminiscent of the spirit of [King] David approximately 3,000 years ago:


“History has chosen us to spearhead the fighting (against) the terrorist ‘Gazan’ enemy which abuses, blasphemes and curses the God of Israel’s (defense) forces…We have planned and prepared for this moment and we take the mission upon ourselves out of commitment, complete humility, and because we are prepared to endanger ourselves and lay down our lives in order to protect our families, our people and our homeland.”


Col. Winter also invoked the Shema (“Hear O Israel, YHVH is our God, YHVH One, Blessed be the glorious name of His Kingdom forever”), and called upon “the God of Israel” to “make our path successful as we go and stand to fight for the sake of your people of Israel against a foe which curses your Name.” Sounds like words of wisdom!


However, the politically correct hounds were unhappy with the rhetoric of this heroic officer. Warning of “a growing phenomenon of religious terminology entering the military… an extremely dangerous trend,” the executive director of an Israeli organization promoting religious freedom labeled the letter ”outrageous” and accused Col. Winter of turning the IDF into a “religious militia.”


Nevertheless, all warfare involves the spiritual realities. Therefore please continue to pray for Col. Winter to find favour with God and with men and that many will be influenced by his courageous stand worldwide.


We had prayed that YHVH Tzevaot –”Yehovah of Armies” (one of the most frequently used names of God in the Hebrew Bible) would encourage him and grant him more revelation in His ways. This news is certainly an answer to our prayers.


Winter lauded the importance of yeshiva students studying Torah as beneficial for the war effort. Interestingly, ultra-Orthodox rabbis have called off summer vacation in their yeshivas in solidarity with the soldiers fighting in Gaza!


Continue to pray like David who came against his enemy “in the name of YHVH of Armies, God of the Arraying of Israel, whom you have defied!”, who knew deep within himself that “the battle is the LORD’s!” (Joshua 5:14; Judges 11:11, 14-24; I Samuel 17:45, 47).


Intercessors, also pray Col. Winter’s verse of praise, Deuteronomy 31: 8,  The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.




“Glory Clouds” Photo Taken on Another Occasion Near Jerusalem by CBN Senior Reporter George Thomas (used with permission)



 


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‘Clouds of Glory’ Protected Us, Says Givati Brigade Commander Col. Ofer Winter
 Christine Darg /  August 2, 2014 /  News,Trending

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YouTube Screenshot of IDF Col. Ofer Winter
YouTube Screenshot of IDF Col. Ofer Winter

At the beginning of the Gaza campaign the Jerusalem Channel posted a prayer alert concerning an infantry brigade commander who was not ashamed to call his troops to prayer. His name is Col. Ofer Winter, a Givati Brigade commander, and we called for intercessory prayer support (http://jerusalemchannel.tv/israelis-engage-spiritual-warfare-going-battle/) on his behalf because of loud criticisms by the politically correct detractors.


But now, here is a wonderful answer to our prayers: a “divine miracle” protected the soldiers under Winter’s command who are fighting in the Gaza Strip, according to a report quoted in The Times of Israel.


The Givati Brigade commander made claims of divine protection in an interview with the ultra-Orthodox weekly Mishpacha ["Family"]  Earlier, he had met with criticism for rallying his troops with religious messages.


Winter claimed he had never seen such a miraculous occurrence previously in his military career: a predawn raid had been delayed, forcing his soldiers to move in the light of the rising sun, but suddenly a heavy fog descended from out of nowhere to conceal their movements until their objective was achieved.


“Suddenly a cloud protected us,” Col. Winter said, making reference to the “clouds of glory” that protected the Israelites as they wandered in the desert. Only when the soldiers were in a secure position did the fog dissipate.


“It really was a fulfillment of the verse ‘For the Lord your God is the one who goes with you to give you victory,’” Winter said, quoting Deuteronomy 31:8.


This is the same Orthodox Jewish commander, as Israeli troops prepared for the initial ground incursion, who had composed a Biblical-style letter to his subordinate officers. His letter was reminiscent of the spirit of [King] David approximately 3,000 years ago:


“History has chosen us to spearhead the fighting (against) the terrorist ‘Gazan’ enemy which abuses, blasphemes and curses the God of Israel’s (defense) forces…We have planned and prepared for this moment and we take the mission upon ourselves out of commitment, complete humility, and because we are prepared to endanger ourselves and lay down our lives in order to protect our families, our people and our homeland.”


Col. Winter also invoked the Shema (“Hear O Israel, YHVH is our God, YHVH One, Blessed be the glorious name of His Kingdom forever”), and called upon “the God of Israel” to “make our path successful as we go and stand to fight for the sake of your people of Israel against a foe which curses your Name.” Sounds like words of wisdom!


However, the politically correct hounds were unhappy with the rhetoric of this heroic officer. Warning of “a growing phenomenon of religious terminology entering the military… an extremely dangerous trend,” the executive director of an Israeli organization promoting religious freedom labeled the letter ”outrageous” and accused Col. Winter of turning the IDF into a “religious militia.”


Nevertheless, all warfare involves the spiritual realities. Therefore please continue to pray for Col. Winter to find favour with God and with men and that many will be influenced by his courageous stand worldwide.


We had prayed that YHVH Tzevaot –”Yehovah of Armies” (one of the most frequently used names of God in the Hebrew Bible) would encourage him and grant him more revelation in His ways. This news is certainly an answer to our prayers.


Winter lauded the importance of yeshiva students studying Torah as beneficial for the war effort. Interestingly, ultra-Orthodox rabbis have called off summer vacation in their yeshivas in solidarity with the soldiers fighting in Gaza!


Continue to pray like David who came against his enemy “in the name of YHVH of Armies, God of the Arraying of Israel, whom you have defied!”, who knew deep within himself that “the battle is the LORD’s!” (Joshua 5:14; Judges 11:11, 14-24; I Samuel 17:45, 47).


Intercessors, also pray Col. Winter’s verse of praise, Deuteronomy 31: 8,  The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.




“Glory Clouds” Photo Taken on Another Occasion Near Jerusalem by CBN Senior Reporter George Thomas (used with permission)



 


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Aldo L, Aug 17, 2014 @ 22:46
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So, what's your point mister Hezbolah PR man?


You already demonstrated over and over again that you are a paid instigator like there are all over Europe crying boohooo poor us while you support Hamas. If you really got some balls go back to Gaza kick Hamas out and there can be peace.


 


You see the difference is Hamas loves death but the Israelies love life, and would love to live in peace. 


The other problem is the following, Hamas would never want peace because of money!! Did you know that the Gaza strip got more money then the whole of Europe after the second world war! So were did all that money go that was meant for infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc. I can tell you.


The Hamas front leaders, so they got no incentive at all to go for peace they want to keep this fire burning as hard as possible.


 


And I guess some of the money goes to people who are the instigators all over Europe and do the dirty PR work for Hamas. Well shame on them. And I'm sure Alah will judge them and sent them all to hell ;-) 


Looking forward to your next response were you try to prove this wrong with facts...  :-)

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So, what's your point mister Hezbolah PR man?


You already demonstrated over and over again that you are a paid instigator like there are all over Europe crying boohooo poor us while you support Hamas. If you really got some balls go back to Gaza kick Hamas out and there can be peace.


 


You see the difference is Hamas loves death but the Israelies love life, and would love to live in peace. 


The other problem is the following, Hamas would never want peace because of money!! Did you know that the Gaza strip got more money then the whole of Europe after the second world war! So were did all that money go that was meant for infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc. I can tell you.


The Hamas front leaders, so they got no incentive at all to go for peace they want to keep this fire burning as hard as possible.


 


And I guess some of the money goes to people who are the instigators all over Europe and do the dirty PR work for Hamas. Well shame on them. And I'm sure Alah will judge them and sent them all to hell ;-) 


Looking forward to your next response were you try to prove this wrong with facts...  :-)


smile2sandro, Aug 18, 2014 @ 19:35
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To do peace with whom?


with the babies killers?


with the theifs of our land?


with the terrorists who kicked us from our homes and imported international terrorists to live in our homes?


with the occupation which deleted our nation from the map?


with the liers who deny the existence of our country and our nation and our history in Palestine?


with the opressors who want us dead and use Hell fire bombs to Kill our fragile children? You are children killers! The World know you before us, we were naïve! King Edward I expeled you from England in 1190, Why? Russians kicked you in 1881 with May Laws, Why? Spanish kicked you from Spain in 1492, Why? Along the history Arabs and Muslims who protected you. In Jerusalem in the 7th century by Khalifa Omar, in 1492 Arab Muslims in north Africa, in 1881 Palestinians received you in Palestine and share with you their villages. We get from you the expelling, the killing, the destruction. We were naïve but today we say It loudly we hate you! We hate you! We hate you! We will die for liberating Palestine from you the children killers


 


 

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To do peace with whom?


with the babies killers?


with the theifs of our land?


with the terrorists who kicked us from our homes and imported international terrorists to live in our homes?


with the occupation which deleted our nation from the map?


with the liers who deny the existence of our country and our nation and our history in Palestine?


with the opressors who want us dead and use Hell fire bombs to Kill our fragile children? You are children killers! The World know you before us, we were naïve! King Edward I expeled you from England in 1190, Why? Russians kicked you in 1881 with May Laws, Why? Spanish kicked you from Spain in 1492, Why? Along the history Arabs and Muslims who protected you. In Jerusalem in the 7th century by Khalifa Omar, in 1492 Arab Muslims in north Africa, in 1881 Palestinians received you in Palestine and share with you their villages. We get from you the expelling, the killing, the destruction. We were naïve but today we say It loudly we hate you! We hate you! We hate you! We will die for liberating Palestine from you the children killers


 


 


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An old man in Gaza held a placard that reads: “You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.”


 


- See more at: http://www.israeli-occupation.org/2012-12-01/noam-chomsky-palestine-2012-gaza-and-the-un-resolution/#sthash.33F2LqWv.1JobMIis.dpuf

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An old man in Gaza held a placard that reads: “You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.”


 


- See more at: http://www.israeli-occupation.org/2012-12-01/noam-chomsky-palestine-2012-gaza-and-the-un-resolution/#sthash.33F2LqWv.1JobMIis.dpuf


Aldo L, Aug 23, 2014 @ 10:23
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http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6610235/655dbcdf/israel_.html

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smile2sandro, Sep 14, 2014 @ 18:26
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/egypt-clear-residents-from-gaza-border-2014102941345405677.html  


 


What are YOU going to do to protect the poor Palestinians that have been aggresively exiled from their homes with only a 48 hours notice? (by the Egyptian government)


 


Quick hint: no one cares about the Palestinaians but if it would have been Israel behind it, the world and the monkey heading the UN would have already been screaming. 


 


Now, I want to see the idiots that have been saying that Israel is breaking international law, starting polluting the social media with claims that Egypt should be sanctioned, meanwhile I am going to eat falafel as my personal support for Egypt and its non compromising government, that hangs fundamentalists Muslims terrorists without giving a damn about the world's opinion. 

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What are YOU going to do to protect the poor Palestinians that have been aggresively exiled from their homes with only a 48 hours notice? (by the Egyptian government)


 


Quick hint: no one cares about the Palestinaians but if it would have been Israel behind it, the world and the monkey heading the UN would have already been screaming. 


 


Now, I want to see the idiots that have been saying that Israel is breaking international law, starting polluting the social media with claims that Egypt should be sanctioned, meanwhile I am going to eat falafel as my personal support for Egypt and its non compromising government, that hangs fundamentalists Muslims terrorists without giving a damn about the world's opinion. 


Ron D, Nov 17, 2014 @ 22:33
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:-) Aldo L, you sure are upset when you get slammed with facts and then you only throw back sentiment.


Never a strong argument, In syria there are 20.000 children killed I don't hear you shout that you hate the alawites. Nor do I see anybody of your Hamas PR bunch shout to the UN that the alawites should be punished for war crimes.


Aldo, just admit it, you are nothing but a jew hating person who contradicts himself in every line that you write. 


You know who you should blame? the nations that promised the palestinian people to just leave your land for a few days then we will get all the jews out and you can return... well that did not work out so well for you did it. And now you shout bloody murder, get your facts straight.


 

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:-) Aldo L, you sure are upset when you get slammed with facts and then you only throw back sentiment.


Never a strong argument, In syria there are 20.000 children killed I don't hear you shout that you hate the alawites. Nor do I see anybody of your Hamas PR bunch shout to the UN that the alawites should be punished for war crimes.


Aldo, just admit it, you are nothing but a jew hating person who contradicts himself in every line that you write. 


You know who you should blame? the nations that promised the palestinian people to just leave your land for a few days then we will get all the jews out and you can return... well that did not work out so well for you did it. And now you shout bloody murder, get your facts straight.


 


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Palestinians Without Israel
 
 


The Arab world is fighting against an independent Palestinian state with its own citizens’ lives and the lives of its children. The Arab states rejected the UN vote of 1947, which would have created a Palestinian Arab state in half of the British Mandate of Palestine–bigger than anything they could ever have gotten since then. Between 1948 and 1967, when Jordan and Egypt ruled the Arab parts of Palestine, there was no movement for a Palestinian state. The cease-fire lines that were established in 1948 were recognized by one country in the whole world: Great Britain. Today, on the other hand, the pre-1967 lines are considered holy in most of the world.


Why are there settlements? Because in 1967 the Arab states, meeting in Sudan, unanimously voted for the Three No’s of Khartoum. Had they not done so, Israel would have been willing to cede most of the territories it had conquered during the Six-Day War. Since there was no hope of doing so, those who wanted to settle were allowed to go ahead with their plans.


In 2000 and 2001, Clinton negotiated a deal that would have given the Palestinians pretty much everything they could hope for. Arafat rejected the deal.


In 2005, Israel created and independent Palestinian mini-state in Gaza. Settlers were removed kicking and screaming. The Gazans responded by electing Hamas and launching rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.


When I visited Israel in 2009, I saw Arab women with headscarves strolling down Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem along with all the other Israelis and the tourists. I saw members of Hare Krishna singing and dancing along the beach in Tel Aviv. I saw copies of a Hebrew-language edition of the Falun Gong newspaper “Epoch Times.” Most impressive of all, I saw a vigil in Jerusalem–not Tel Aviv–after murders had taken place at a gay counseling center in Tel Aviv. There were people with yarmulkes at the vigil. And of course there were gay-pride flags.


Israel has an annual gay-pride parade not only in Tel Aviv but in Jerusalem. Israel drafts openly gay men and women into its armed forces. Nevertheless, gay-rights organizations all over the world are anti-Israel. Organizers of gay-pride parades in Canada and Spain announced before their parades that Israelis were not welcome to march.


Women are victims of honor murders everywhere in the Arab world. Israel, on the other hand, elected Golda Meir to be its Prime Minister before any other woman in the world who was not the wife (like Sirimavo Bandaranaike) or the daughter (like Indira Gandhi, daughter of Nehru) of a previous head of government had attained such a position. Despite this, feminists everywhere are anti-Israel.


Almost all of the so-called settlers live in East Jerusalem or its suburbs. The fight about settlements is a fight to retain East Jerusalem, including the Mount Scopus campus of the Hebrew University and Hadassah Hospital. Israel has made it clear time and time again that it is eager to withdraw from most of the West Bank. “But the 1967 borders are holy,” says the world.


Fighting for the 1967 borders is a way of fighting against the creation of a Palestinian state. After all, such a state would legitimize Israel’s existence. If the Palestinians wanted a state, they could have one tomorrow–the same state they could have had in 2001 at Taba.


 

The way to support the Palestinians—the only way—is to support Israel.  The Arab world has done only one thing to help Palestinians: arm them.  The Palestinians have been allowed to remain in refugee camps for an unprecedented 62 years.  Israel, on the other hand, not only has Arab members of the Knesset and an Arab in its cabinet, but is the country where it is easiest for an Arab woman to become a doctor.  In addition to Arab physicians, Israel has Arab musicians.


We all know what would happen to the Palestinians if there were no Israel.  The neighboring states would subjugate them.  It is true that at the moment, Jordan and Egypt are not interested in annexing Gaza and the West Bank.  In the case of Egypt, it is because the government doesn’t want a violent minority in the country.  In the case of Jordan, which already has a Palestinian majority, the government fears it would be overthrown. But if there were no Israel, the Palestinian issue would go away and the land would be fought over by Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia.  What would happen to al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock?  Rival groups of Muslims would blow them up—preferably at a moment when there were lots of worshipers within the buildings, just as they do in Iraq and Pakistan.


Nowadays, Arabs from anywhere in the world can choose to be treated in Israeli hospitals.  Some of them agree to make the sacrifice of temporarily recognizing Israel in order to get medical treatment.  Then they have to live with their moment of weakness for the rest of their lives.


It is easy to jump on the bandwagon.  It is easy to condemn Israel for its real, its debatable, and its imagined moral failings.  Doing so does not help anybody.  It is merely an easy way to feel superior.


Only Israel can allow a Palestinian state to exist.  It tried to do so in the past and failed.  Its critics want it to keep on failing.


George Jochnowitz is a Professor Emeritus of Linguistics at the College of Staten Island, CUNY.


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The Arab world is fighting against an independent Palestinian state with its own citizens’ lives and the lives of its children. The Arab states rejected the UN vote of 1947, which would have created a Palestinian Arab state in half of the British Mandate of Palestine–bigger than anything they could ever have gotten since then. Between 1948 and 1967, when Jordan and Egypt ruled the Arab parts of Palestine, there was no movement for a Palestinian state. The cease-fire lines that were established in 1948 were recognized by one country in the whole world: Great Britain. Today, on the other hand, the pre-1967 lines are considered holy in most of the world.


Why are there settlements? Because in 1967 the Arab states, meeting in Sudan, unanimously voted for the Three No’s of Khartoum. Had they not done so, Israel would have been willing to cede most of the territories it had conquered during the Six-Day War. Since there was no hope of doing so, those who wanted to settle were allowed to go ahead with their plans.


In 2000 and 2001, Clinton negotiated a deal that would have given the Palestinians pretty much everything they could hope for. Arafat rejected the deal.


In 2005, Israel created and independent Palestinian mini-state in Gaza. Settlers were removed kicking and screaming. The Gazans responded by electing Hamas and launching rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.


When I visited Israel in 2009, I saw Arab women with headscarves strolling down Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem along with all the other Israelis and the tourists. I saw members of Hare Krishna singing and dancing along the beach in Tel Aviv. I saw copies of a Hebrew-language edition of the Falun Gong newspaper “Epoch Times.” Most impressive of all, I saw a vigil in Jerusalem–not Tel Aviv–after murders had taken place at a gay counseling center in Tel Aviv. There were people with yarmulkes at the vigil. And of course there were gay-pride flags.


Israel has an annual gay-pride parade not only in Tel Aviv but in Jerusalem. Israel drafts openly gay men and women into its armed forces. Nevertheless, gay-rights organizations all over the world are anti-Israel. Organizers of gay-pride parades in Canada and Spain announced before their parades that Israelis were not welcome to march.


Women are victims of honor murders everywhere in the Arab world. Israel, on the other hand, elected Golda Meir to be its Prime Minister before any other woman in the world who was not the wife (like Sirimavo Bandaranaike) or the daughter (like Indira Gandhi, daughter of Nehru) of a previous head of government had attained such a position. Despite this, feminists everywhere are anti-Israel.


Almost all of the so-called settlers live in East Jerusalem or its suburbs. The fight about settlements is a fight to retain East Jerusalem, including the Mount Scopus campus of the Hebrew University and Hadassah Hospital. Israel has made it clear time and time again that it is eager to withdraw from most of the West Bank. “But the 1967 borders are holy,” says the world.


Fighting for the 1967 borders is a way of fighting against the creation of a Palestinian state. After all, such a state would legitimize Israel’s existence. If the Palestinians wanted a state, they could have one tomorrow–the same state they could have had in 2001 at Taba.


 

The way to support the Palestinians—the only way—is to support Israel.  The Arab world has done only one thing to help Palestinians: arm them.  The Palestinians have been allowed to remain in refugee camps for an unprecedented 62 years.  Israel, on the other hand, not only has Arab members of the Knesset and an Arab in its cabinet, but is the country where it is easiest for an Arab woman to become a doctor.  In addition to Arab physicians, Israel has Arab musicians.


We all know what would happen to the Palestinians if there were no Israel.  The neighboring states would subjugate them.  It is true that at the moment, Jordan and Egypt are not interested in annexing Gaza and the West Bank.  In the case of Egypt, it is because the government doesn’t want a violent minority in the country.  In the case of Jordan, which already has a Palestinian majority, the government fears it would be overthrown. But if there were no Israel, the Palestinian issue would go away and the land would be fought over by Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia.  What would happen to al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock?  Rival groups of Muslims would blow them up—preferably at a moment when there were lots of worshipers within the buildings, just as they do in Iraq and Pakistan.


Nowadays, Arabs from anywhere in the world can choose to be treated in Israeli hospitals.  Some of them agree to make the sacrifice of temporarily recognizing Israel in order to get medical treatment.  Then they have to live with their moment of weakness for the rest of their lives.


It is easy to jump on the bandwagon.  It is easy to condemn Israel for its real, its debatable, and its imagined moral failings.  Doing so does not help anybody.  It is merely an easy way to feel superior.


Only Israel can allow a Palestinian state to exist.  It tried to do so in the past and failed.  Its critics want it to keep on failing.


George Jochnowitz is a Professor Emeritus of Linguistics at the College of Staten Island, CUNY.



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Finally people with some sense, the palestinian hate groups and terrorists are fined $ 218.5 Million for their terrorist actions where American citizens were killed.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/nyregion/damages-awarded-in-terror-case-against-palestinian-groups.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0


 

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Finally people with some sense, the palestinian hate groups and terrorists are fined $ 218.5 Million for their terrorist actions where American citizens were killed.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/nyregion/damages-awarded-in-terror-case-against-palestinian-groups.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0


 


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Terrorists should be killed, their houses destroyed and their entire family exiled to ISIS land. Who has a problem with that? 

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Terrorists should be killed, their houses destroyed and their entire family exiled to ISIS land. Who has a problem with that? 


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Anyone going to boycot Egypt for this? 


 


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/03/sisi-widening-terrorism-net-150301053138559.html 


 


The only leader in the Middle-East, the others are lousy politicians! He kills Hamas, Muslims brotherhood members, terrorists in Sinai desert, and gets applauds in Egypt, but not a single mentioning in the world media, and when Israeli policeman shoots a suicidal attacker in Israel, after he has killed few innocent Israelies, the world media shouts that Israel has killed a Palestinian and few Israelies were killed during the attack, WTF???

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Anyone going to boycot Egypt for this? 


 


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/03/sisi-widening-terrorism-net-150301053138559.html 


 


The only leader in the Middle-East, the others are lousy politicians! He kills Hamas, Muslims brotherhood members, terrorists in Sinai desert, and gets applauds in Egypt, but not a single mentioning in the world media, and when Israeli policeman shoots a suicidal attacker in Israel, after he has killed few innocent Israelies, the world media shouts that Israel has killed a Palestinian and few Israelies were killed during the attack, WTF???


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The Israeli Ambassador at the U.N. began, "Ladies and gentlemen before I commence with my speech, I want to relay an old Passover story.


"When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert.


"When they reached the Promised Land, the people had become very thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts' content.


"Moses put down his staff and went to a solitary corner of the pond to drink, and meditate in prayer. But once Moses returned, he found that his staff had been stolen.


"I have reason to believe ladies and gentlemen that the Palestinians stole the staff of our great Prophet Moses.'"


The Palestinian delegate to the UN, hearing this accusation, jumps from his seat and screams out, "This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no such thing as 'Palestinians' at that time!"


"And with that in mind," said the Israeli Ambassador, "let me now begin my speech."


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The Israeli Ambassador at the U.N. began, "Ladies and gentlemen before I commence with my speech, I want to relay an old Passover story.


"When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert.


"When they reached the Promised Land, the people had become very thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts' content.


"Moses put down his staff and went to a solitary corner of the pond to drink, and meditate in prayer. But once Moses returned, he found that his staff had been stolen.


"I have reason to believe ladies and gentlemen that the Palestinians stole the staff of our great Prophet Moses.'"


The Palestinian delegate to the UN, hearing this accusation, jumps from his seat and screams out, "This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no such thing as 'Palestinians' at that time!"


"And with that in mind," said the Israeli Ambassador, "let me now begin my speech."



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Mar 3, 15 08:10

There are no news that bring me more pleasure than hearing that Palestinians terrorists were killed by accident during their preparation of bombs, that naturally they wanted to use for killing Israeli civilians. 


I I am happy for them, getting 70 virgins in heaven..much better than goats on earth. 

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There are no news that bring me more pleasure than hearing that Palestinians terrorists were killed by accident during their preparation of bombs, that naturally they wanted to use for killing Israeli civilians. 


I I am happy for them, getting 70 virgins in heaven..much better than goats on earth. 


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This week, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi signed a new law, according to which anyone who digs a tunnel along Egypt's borders would face life imprisonment.


Sisi has shown real guts and determination in his war to drain the swamps of terrorists.


The tough measures he has taken along Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip have proven to be even more effective than Israel's military operations against the smuggling tunnels.



Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi's uncompromising war on terrorism, especially along the border with the Gaza Strip, seems to be bearing fruit. It is a war that is being waged away from the spotlight and with almost no reaction from the international community.


This situation is a perfect example of how the international community and the United Nations do not care about the "plight" of the Palestinians as long as Israel is not involved. Sisi's war on terrorism has thus far failed to spark the same uproar, if any, that is often triggered by Israeli military operations against Hamas and its smuggling tunnels.


As a result of this war -- which began in 2013, shortly after Sisi came to power, with the destruction of hundreds of smuggling tunnels along the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip -- Hamas and other armed groups are now more isolated than ever.


But it is not only the isolation that worries Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other armed groups in the Gaza Strip.


Rather, it is that Egypt's tough security measures --which include the destruction of more than 1700 tunnels and the creation of a security zone along its border with the Gaza Strip -- have brought the smuggling of weapons to a near halt.


"The smuggling (of weapons into the Gaza Strip) has been stopped almost completely," admitted Abu Mohammed, a Palestinian arms dealer from the town Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. "Rarely does anyone manage to smuggle light weapons or ammunition."


Abu Mohammed revealed that the smuggling of weapons from Egypt into the Gaza Strip has virtually stopped since February this year. He complained that it has become impossible to smuggle missiles and rockets into the Gaza Strip.


Abu Mohammed said that the Egyptian security crackdown on smuggling tunnels has caused a shortage of various types of weapons and ammunition in the Gaza Strip. Moreover, Sisi's crackdown has led to an upsurge in the prices of many weapons, he added.


For example, the Palestinian arms dealer noted, the cost of one bullet, which used to sell for one US dollar, had doubled in recent months. Similarly, the price of an Egyptian-made AK-47 assault rifle has risen from $900 to $1300.


Attempts by some of the Palestinian owners of the smuggling tunnels to rebuild them have been unsuccessful due to the ongoing Egyptian measures, Abu Mohammed said. The measures include the use of explosives and wastewater to destroy the tunnels, he added.


Buoyed by the success of their anti-terror campaign, the Egyptian authorities are now studying the possibility of expanding the security zone they recently set up along the border with the Gaza Strip. The Egyptians say the move is needed to prevent terror groups from expanding their activities in northern Sinai.


Since the beginning of the year, the Egyptian authorities have discovered and destroyed an additional 240 smuggling tunnels along the border with the Gaza Strip. One of the tunnels was nearly three kilometers long and three meters deep, according to Egyptian security officials. The tunnel is the longest one uncovered so far by the Egyptians.


 






Egyptian soldiers prepare to blow up a large smuggling tunnel they discovered along Sinai's border with Gaza, September 2014. (Image source: Almyan video screenshot)






 


President Sisi has now decided to combat Hamas's smuggling tunnels also through legal means. This week, he signed a new law, according to which anyone who digs a tunnel along Egypt's borders would face life imprisonment.


The new law came amid reports that some anti-government jihadists from Sinai had receivedmedical treatment in hospitals inside the Gaza Strip. The reports confirm fears of Egyptian government officials that the jihadists in Sinai are working together with Hamas to undermine security and stability in Egypt.


The new law followed another bloody day, when five people were killed and some 30 injured in bomb blasts outside a security installation, in the Sinai town of El Arish. Earlier, another terrorist attack on security forces left seven soldiers killed near Sheikh Zuweid, a town in northern Sinai near the Gaza Strip border.


Sisi has shown real guts and determination in his war to drain the swamps of terrorists. The tough measures he has taken along the border with the Gaza Strip have proven to be even more effective than Israel's military operations against the smuggling tunnels.


That the Gaza Strip is facing a weapons shortage is good news not only for Israel and Egypt, but also for the Palestinians living there.


It is hard to see how Hamas will rush into another military confrontation with Israel -- where Palestinians would once again pay a heavy price -- at a time when Sisi's army is working around the clock to destroy smuggling tunnels, and the prices of rifles and bullets in the Gaza Strip are skyrocketing.

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This week, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi signed a new law, according to which anyone who digs a tunnel along Egypt's borders would face life imprisonment.


Sisi has shown real guts and determination in his war to drain the swamps of terrorists.


The tough measures he has taken along Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip have proven to be even more effective than Israel's military operations against the smuggling tunnels.



Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi's uncompromising war on terrorism, especially along the border with the Gaza Strip, seems to be bearing fruit. It is a war that is being waged away from the spotlight and with almost no reaction from the international community.


This situation is a perfect example of how the international community and the United Nations do not care about the "plight" of the Palestinians as long as Israel is not involved. Sisi's war on terrorism has thus far failed to spark the same uproar, if any, that is often triggered by Israeli military operations against Hamas and its smuggling tunnels.


As a result of this war -- which began in 2013, shortly after Sisi came to power, with the destruction of hundreds of smuggling tunnels along the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip -- Hamas and other armed groups are now more isolated than ever.


But it is not only the isolation that worries Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other armed groups in the Gaza Strip.


Rather, it is that Egypt's tough security measures --which include the destruction of more than 1700 tunnels and the creation of a security zone along its border with the Gaza Strip -- have brought the smuggling of weapons to a near halt.


"The smuggling (of weapons into the Gaza Strip) has been stopped almost completely," admitted Abu Mohammed, a Palestinian arms dealer from the town Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. "Rarely does anyone manage to smuggle light weapons or ammunition."


Abu Mohammed revealed that the smuggling of weapons from Egypt into the Gaza Strip has virtually stopped since February this year. He complained that it has become impossible to smuggle missiles and rockets into the Gaza Strip.


Abu Mohammed said that the Egyptian security crackdown on smuggling tunnels has caused a shortage of various types of weapons and ammunition in the Gaza Strip. Moreover, Sisi's crackdown has led to an upsurge in the prices of many weapons, he added.


For example, the Palestinian arms dealer noted, the cost of one bullet, which used to sell for one US dollar, had doubled in recent months. Similarly, the price of an Egyptian-made AK-47 assault rifle has risen from $900 to $1300.


Attempts by some of the Palestinian owners of the smuggling tunnels to rebuild them have been unsuccessful due to the ongoing Egyptian measures, Abu Mohammed said. The measures include the use of explosives and wastewater to destroy the tunnels, he added.


Buoyed by the success of their anti-terror campaign, the Egyptian authorities are now studying the possibility of expanding the security zone they recently set up along the border with the Gaza Strip. The Egyptians say the move is needed to prevent terror groups from expanding their activities in northern Sinai.


Since the beginning of the year, the Egyptian authorities have discovered and destroyed an additional 240 smuggling tunnels along the border with the Gaza Strip. One of the tunnels was nearly three kilometers long and three meters deep, according to Egyptian security officials. The tunnel is the longest one uncovered so far by the Egyptians.


 






Egyptian soldiers prepare to blow up a large smuggling tunnel they discovered along Sinai's border with Gaza, September 2014. (Image source: Almyan video screenshot)






 


President Sisi has now decided to combat Hamas's smuggling tunnels also through legal means. This week, he signed a new law, according to which anyone who digs a tunnel along Egypt's borders would face life imprisonment.


The new law came amid reports that some anti-government jihadists from Sinai had receivedmedical treatment in hospitals inside the Gaza Strip. The reports confirm fears of Egyptian government officials that the jihadists in Sinai are working together with Hamas to undermine security and stability in Egypt.


The new law followed another bloody day, when five people were killed and some 30 injured in bomb blasts outside a security installation, in the Sinai town of El Arish. Earlier, another terrorist attack on security forces left seven soldiers killed near Sheikh Zuweid, a town in northern Sinai near the Gaza Strip border.


Sisi has shown real guts and determination in his war to drain the swamps of terrorists. The tough measures he has taken along the border with the Gaza Strip have proven to be even more effective than Israel's military operations against the smuggling tunnels.


That the Gaza Strip is facing a weapons shortage is good news not only for Israel and Egypt, but also for the Palestinians living there.


It is hard to see how Hamas will rush into another military confrontation with Israel -- where Palestinians would once again pay a heavy price -- at a time when Sisi's army is working around the clock to destroy smuggling tunnels, and the prices of rifles and bullets in the Gaza Strip are skyrocketing.


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and all the UN and 'peace loving' lefties go '''''''''mmm nothing, not a word of indemnation about those crooked Egyptians... what a surprise. 


Most of the Israel bashers on here are just that Israel bashers they just use the Palestian people for their own racist and anti jewish agenda.

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and all the UN and 'peace loving' lefties go '''''''''mmm nothing, not a word of indemnation about those crooked Egyptians... what a surprise. 


Most of the Israel bashers on here are just that Israel bashers they just use the Palestian people for their own racist and anti jewish agenda.


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The picture you see is that of the flotila that is under way to Camp Yarmouk near Damascu,s tens of thousands of Palestinians refugees are living in a ture hell there, these boats are from the International community with Turkey as its ring leader to bring relief supplies to the refugee camp that by Ban Ki-Moon (UN) was described  as "deepest circle of hell".


Below a nice article from the Guardian writen by Mehdi Hasan;


When Israel wages war on Palestinians, we speak out. But they are dying, right now, at the hands of an Arab regime


The Palestinians of Yarmouk and the shameful silence when Israel is not to blame
Illustration by Jasper Rietman

 


 

Palestinian refugees are being starved, bombed and gunned down like animals. “If you want to feed your children, you need to take your funeral shroud with you,” one told Israeli news website Ynet. “There are snipers on every street, you are not safe anywhere.” This isn’t happening, however, in southern Lebanon, or even Gaza. And these particular Palestinians aren’t being killed or maimed by Israeli bombs and bullets. This is Yarmouk, a refugee campon the edge of Damascus, just a few miles from the palace of Bashar al-Assad. Since 1 April, the camp has been overrun by Islamic State militants, who have begun a reign of terror: detentions, shootings, beheadings and the rest. Hundreds of refugees are believed to have been killed in what Ban Ki-moon has called the “deepest circle of hell”.


But this isn’t just about the depravity of Isis. The Palestinians of Yarmouk have been bombarded and besieged by Assad’s security forces since 2012. Water and electricity were cut off long ago, and of the 160,000 Palestinian refugees who once lived in the camp only 18,000 now remain. The Syrian regime has, according to Amnesty International, been “committing war crimes by using starvation of civilians as a weapon”, forcing residents to “resort to eating cats and dogs”. Even as the throat-slitters took control, Assad’s pilots were continuing to drop barrel bombs on the refugees. “The sky of Yarmouk has barrel bombs instead of stars,” said Abdallah al-Khateeb, a political activist living inside the camp.


It is difficult to disagree with the verdict of the Palestinian League for Human Rights that the Palestinians of Syria are “the most untold story in the Syrian conflict”. There are 12 official Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, housing more than half a million people. Ninety per cent, estimates the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), are in continuous need of humanitarian aid. In Yarmouk, throughout 2014, residents were forced to live on around 400 calories of food aid a day – fewer than a fifth of the UN’s recommended daily amount of 2,100 calories for civilians in war zones – because UNRWA aid workers had only limited access to the camp. Today, they have zero access.“To know what it is like in Yarmouk,” one of the camp’s residents is quoted as saying on the UNRWA website, “turn off your electricity, water, heating, eat once a day, live in the dark.”


Their plight should matter to us all – regardless of whether their persecutors happen to be Israelis, Syrians, Egyptians or, for that matter, fellow Palestinians (Palestinian Authority security forces, after all, have been shooting and beating unarmed Palestinian protesters for several years now).


This is far from a cynical exercise in pro-Israeli whataboutery. There are very good reasons that Israel attracts such widespread criticism and condemnation in the west. Israel is our ally and claims to be a liberal democracy, unlike both Assad and Isis. Israel is also armed, funded and protected from UN censure by the US government; again, unlike both Assad and Isis.


Those who try to use the tragedy of Yarmouk to excuse or downplay Israel’s 48-year occupation of Palestine should be ashamed of themselves. But what of the rest of us? Can we afford to stay in our deep slumber, occasionally awakening to lavishly condemn only Israel? Let’s be honest: how different, how vocal and passionate, would our reaction be if the people besieging Yarmouk were wearing the uniforms of the IDF?


Our selective outrage is morally unsustainable. Many of us who have raised our voices in support of the Palestinian cause have inexcusably turned a blind eye to the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by fellow Arabs in recent decades: by the Jordanian military in the Black September conflicts of the early 1970s; by Lebanese militias in the civil war of the mid-1980s; by Kuwaiti vigilantes after the first Gulf war, in the early 1990s. Egypt, the so-called “heart of the Arab world”, has colluded with Israel in the latter’s eight-year blockade of Gaza.


Meanwhile, the Palestinians of Yarmouk are living in catastrophic conditions, their lives “profoundly threatened”, in the words of the United Nations. So what, if anything, can be done? The usual coalition of neoconservative hawks and so-called liberal interventionists in the west want to bomb first and ask questions later, while the rest of us resort to a collective shrug: a mixture of indifference and despair. Few are willing to make the tough and unpopular case for a negotiated solution to the Syrian conflict or, at least, a truce and a ceasefire, a temporary cessation of hostilities. Yet there is an urgent need for a “pause” in the fighting in order to ensure “humanitarian access” to Yarmouk, says Chris Gunness, senior director of UNRWA, who has described the camp as a hellhole.


UNRWA, he tells me, is “calling on those who can influence the parties on the ground to make that influence effective”, adding: “Everyone in the Middle East can be influenced, everyone is sponsored.” Gunness points out that almost 100 civilians, including 20 children, were evacuated from the camp on 5 April so there is no reason why more of Yarmouk’s residents can’t be escorted to safety.


We have also failed to put our money where our collective mouth is. The UN’s $415m appeal for Palestinian refugees in Syria is only 20% funded, a situation Gunness calls “disastrous”. Isn’t it a scandal that there’s always spare cash for bombing campaigns yet never enough for emergency aid? The Palestinians of Yarmouk, like the Palestinians of Gaza during the summer of 2014, need our support, both political and financial.


Now is the time for those of us who claim to care about the Palestinian people, and their struggle for dignity, justice and nationhood, to make our voices heard. Some 3,500 of the 18,000 Palestinians in Yarmouk are children. As Gunness says, his voice trembling with emotion: “We are potentially witnessing a slaughter of the innocents. What is the world going to do?”




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The picture you see is that of the flotila that is under way to Camp Yarmouk near Damascu,s tens of thousands of Palestinians refugees are living in a ture hell there, these boats are from the International community with Turkey as its ring leader to bring relief supplies to the refugee camp that by Ban Ki-Moon (UN) was described  as "deepest circle of hell".


Below a nice article from the Guardian writen by Mehdi Hasan;


When Israel wages war on Palestinians, we speak out. But they are dying, right now, at the hands of an Arab regime


The Palestinians of Yarmouk and the shameful silence when Israel is not to blame
Illustration by Jasper Rietman

 


 

Palestinian refugees are being starved, bombed and gunned down like animals. “If you want to feed your children, you need to take your funeral shroud with you,” one told Israeli news website Ynet. “There are snipers on every street, you are not safe anywhere.” This isn’t happening, however, in southern Lebanon, or even Gaza. And these particular Palestinians aren’t being killed or maimed by Israeli bombs and bullets. This is Yarmouk, a refugee campon the edge of Damascus, just a few miles from the palace of Bashar al-Assad. Since 1 April, the camp has been overrun by Islamic State militants, who have begun a reign of terror: detentions, shootings, beheadings and the rest. Hundreds of refugees are believed to have been killed in what Ban Ki-moon has called the “deepest circle of hell”.


But this isn’t just about the depravity of Isis. The Palestinians of Yarmouk have been bombarded and besieged by Assad’s security forces since 2012. Water and electricity were cut off long ago, and of the 160,000 Palestinian refugees who once lived in the camp only 18,000 now remain. The Syrian regime has, according to Amnesty International, been “committing war crimes by using starvation of civilians as a weapon”, forcing residents to “resort to eating cats and dogs”. Even as the throat-slitters took control, Assad’s pilots were continuing to drop barrel bombs on the refugees. “The sky of Yarmouk has barrel bombs instead of stars,” said Abdallah al-Khateeb, a political activist living inside the camp.


It is difficult to disagree with the verdict of the Palestinian League for Human Rights that the Palestinians of Syria are “the most untold story in the Syrian conflict”. There are 12 official Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, housing more than half a million people. Ninety per cent, estimates the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), are in continuous need of humanitarian aid. In Yarmouk, throughout 2014, residents were forced to live on around 400 calories of food aid a day – fewer than a fifth of the UN’s recommended daily amount of 2,100 calories for civilians in war zones – because UNRWA aid workers had only limited access to the camp. Today, they have zero access.“To know what it is like in Yarmouk,” one of the camp’s residents is quoted as saying on the UNRWA website, “turn off your electricity, water, heating, eat once a day, live in the dark.”


Their plight should matter to us all – regardless of whether their persecutors happen to be Israelis, Syrians, Egyptians or, for that matter, fellow Palestinians (Palestinian Authority security forces, after all, have been shooting and beating unarmed Palestinian protesters for several years now).


This is far from a cynical exercise in pro-Israeli whataboutery. There are very good reasons that Israel attracts such widespread criticism and condemnation in the west. Israel is our ally and claims to be a liberal democracy, unlike both Assad and Isis. Israel is also armed, funded and protected from UN censure by the US government; again, unlike both Assad and Isis.


Those who try to use the tragedy of Yarmouk to excuse or downplay Israel’s 48-year occupation of Palestine should be ashamed of themselves. But what of the rest of us? Can we afford to stay in our deep slumber, occasionally awakening to lavishly condemn only Israel? Let’s be honest: how different, how vocal and passionate, would our reaction be if the people besieging Yarmouk were wearing the uniforms of the IDF?


Our selective outrage is morally unsustainable. Many of us who have raised our voices in support of the Palestinian cause have inexcusably turned a blind eye to the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by fellow Arabs in recent decades: by the Jordanian military in the Black September conflicts of the early 1970s; by Lebanese militias in the civil war of the mid-1980s; by Kuwaiti vigilantes after the first Gulf war, in the early 1990s. Egypt, the so-called “heart of the Arab world”, has colluded with Israel in the latter’s eight-year blockade of Gaza.


Meanwhile, the Palestinians of Yarmouk are living in catastrophic conditions, their lives “profoundly threatened”, in the words of the United Nations. So what, if anything, can be done? The usual coalition of neoconservative hawks and so-called liberal interventionists in the west want to bomb first and ask questions later, while the rest of us resort to a collective shrug: a mixture of indifference and despair. Few are willing to make the tough and unpopular case for a negotiated solution to the Syrian conflict or, at least, a truce and a ceasefire, a temporary cessation of hostilities. Yet there is an urgent need for a “pause” in the fighting in order to ensure “humanitarian access” to Yarmouk, says Chris Gunness, senior director of UNRWA, who has described the camp as a hellhole.


UNRWA, he tells me, is “calling on those who can influence the parties on the ground to make that influence effective”, adding: “Everyone in the Middle East can be influenced, everyone is sponsored.” Gunness points out that almost 100 civilians, including 20 children, were evacuated from the camp on 5 April so there is no reason why more of Yarmouk’s residents can’t be escorted to safety.


We have also failed to put our money where our collective mouth is. The UN’s $415m appeal for Palestinian refugees in Syria is only 20% funded, a situation Gunness calls “disastrous”. Isn’t it a scandal that there’s always spare cash for bombing campaigns yet never enough for emergency aid? The Palestinians of Yarmouk, like the Palestinians of Gaza during the summer of 2014, need our support, both political and financial.


Now is the time for those of us who claim to care about the Palestinian people, and their struggle for dignity, justice and nationhood, to make our voices heard. Some 3,500 of the 18,000 Palestinians in Yarmouk are children. As Gunness says, his voice trembling with emotion: “We are potentially witnessing a slaughter of the innocents. What is the world going to do?”



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I believe in Karma


 


For hundreds of years the Jewish communities in Europe have prospered, Jews were the important pillars to the cultural, science, medical, commercial developments of Europe.


 


Anti-Semitism during the yeas with a pick during the massacre of Jews in the WWII, have caused the wiping of complete communities in Europe, mainly in the Eastern European countries.


 


Now the Karma kicks in:


 



All of these Eastern European anti-Semites that were happy to rob, rape and kill the Jews in their communities have never recovered since then, there are still ignorant peasants with a losers mentality, their daughters are sent as “bride by mail” in the good case and as pussies for sale to the brothels around the world for few thousands Euros (Shipping and handling included), in which they are forced into sex dozens of times per day without a pay.
In Western Europe, it is even better, most of the Jews are gone, and the left parties that feel guilt for racism have accepted with open arms the immigrants of Muslims, that instead of contributing to society and to the local communities, are a burden to their social security system, increase the crime rates to levels not known before and fill their prisons. (In Sweden, 1 out 4 women will be raped by a Muslim during her life, this rate is worse than in S. Africa). Wait till they get higher electoral power and you will be completely fucked, with their high birth rate from one end and negative growth rate of the “natives”, the Muslims will rule Europe within few decades.

 


 


But it is not over yet, Anti-Semitism has changed phase, the “educated” Europeans must hate the Jews and when there are not so many around they attack Israel in a pretense of supporting the “Palestinians”, these morons have never lived in a situation of terror and missiles attack but condemn Israel for protecting its citizens, these morons simply don't get it, Palestinians (Muslims/Arabs) have no value for human life, not of their own and not for anyone else, and they prefer to fire their rockets out of schools and hospitals towards Israel, because they know the media effect achieved when Israel attacks back to destroy the launching pad.


 


Not surprisingly, these morons never condemned A Sisi when he wiped off the Palestinians part of Gaza on the Egyptian side, killing hundreds of them, they have never condemned ISIS for massacre in the Yarmuch Palestinian Refugee camp in Syria where hundreds were killed, mainly women and children.


 


 

The text you are quoting:

I believe in Karma


 


For hundreds of years the Jewish communities in Europe have prospered, Jews were the important pillars to the cultural, science, medical, commercial developments of Europe.


 


Anti-Semitism during the yeas with a pick during the massacre of Jews in the WWII, have caused the wiping of complete communities in Europe, mainly in the Eastern European countries.


 


Now the Karma kicks in:


 



All of these Eastern European anti-Semites that were happy to rob, rape and kill the Jews in their communities have never recovered since then, there are still ignorant peasants with a losers mentality, their daughters are sent as “bride by mail” in the good case and as pussies for sale to the brothels around the world for few thousands Euros (Shipping and handling included), in which they are forced into sex dozens of times per day without a pay.
In Western Europe, it is even better, most of the Jews are gone, and the left parties that feel guilt for racism have accepted with open arms the immigrants of Muslims, that instead of contributing to society and to the local communities, are a burden to their social security system, increase the crime rates to levels not known before and fill their prisons. (In Sweden, 1 out 4 women will be raped by a Muslim during her life, this rate is worse than in S. Africa). Wait till they get higher electoral power and you will be completely fucked, with their high birth rate from one end and negative growth rate of the “natives”, the Muslims will rule Europe within few decades.

 


 


But it is not over yet, Anti-Semitism has changed phase, the “educated” Europeans must hate the Jews and when there are not so many around they attack Israel in a pretense of supporting the “Palestinians”, these morons have never lived in a situation of terror and missiles attack but condemn Israel for protecting its citizens, these morons simply don't get it, Palestinians (Muslims/Arabs) have no value for human life, not of their own and not for anyone else, and they prefer to fire their rockets out of schools and hospitals towards Israel, because they know the media effect achieved when Israel attacks back to destroy the launching pad.


 


Not surprisingly, these morons never condemned A Sisi when he wiped off the Palestinians part of Gaza on the Egyptian side, killing hundreds of them, they have never condemned ISIS for massacre in the Yarmuch Palestinian Refugee camp in Syria where hundreds were killed, mainly women and children.


 


 


Ron D, Apr 26, 2015 @ 17:32
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