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To lie or not to lie?

A friend was telling me that everyone lies everyday, starting from:


- "How are you?", "well, thank you" when you are actually completely depressed or sad or else.


- One of my ex, whilst meeting for dinner the first time, mentioned he was divorced, with 2 children", shortly after, I found out he had FOUR children (it did not bother me - he was worried I was not going to accept his invite for a date should he have told the "truth".


Other than the above examples, some people can't stop themselves (compulsive) from lying to others or to themselves, voluntarily, i.e. like someone who "forgets" (lying by omission) to tell you they are married with kids", or that they work in a prestigious place with a high position when it is not true.


It would be interesting to have your detailed developped views on lies (not necessarily about above examples)?  Is it only about lacking of confidence?  Fear of loosing what you have (can you really loose something that is actually built on lies)?

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A friend was telling me that everyone lies everyday, starting from:


- "How are you?", "well, thank you" when you are actually completely depressed or sad or else.


- One of my ex, whilst meeting for dinner the first time, mentioned he was divorced, with 2 children", shortly after, I found out he had FOUR children (it did not bother me - he was worried I was not going to accept his invite for a date should he have told the "truth".


Other than the above examples, some people can't stop themselves (compulsive) from lying to others or to themselves, voluntarily, i.e. like someone who "forgets" (lying by omission) to tell you they are married with kids", or that they work in a prestigious place with a high position when it is not true.


It would be interesting to have your detailed developped views on lies (not necessarily about above examples)?  Is it only about lacking of confidence?  Fear of loosing what you have (can you really loose something that is actually built on lies)?


mariehSep 13, 2013 @ 13:54
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Aw c'mon now and lighten up already, darling Marieh ! :o)  That's just part of the dating game for you! And kind of really and  wonderfully human and so hence kind of endearing and sweet in a way, really, you know.... Insecurities! Gosh and don't we all have them. Especially in delicate situations ( such as first dates, for instance) , when we're feeling oh so small and vulnerable and VERY easy to hurt. So... Blurp! Out comes a little lie. And... Oups and oh dear and gosh, what; ANOTHER ONE! :o).  It's all part of being human, eventually very easy to see through and to just divert from and delicately skip over....  Once fairly secure in your being ok with him/her NOT in fact being the ex-world champion of laser-sailing ( yep, had that one told to me once. Amongst many others :o) , the truth does come out, non? So what's the big deal... ? It's only human. We're only human. So let's cut us some slack already.... :o) I'd feel much more concerned and spooked if way into the relation ( romantic, friendly and/or professional, for that matter) I'd find out lies - and in other ways other than the actual person eventully telling me, too ( worst case scenario). I'm just saying..........  

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Aw c'mon now and lighten up already, darling Marieh ! :o)  That's just part of the dating game for you! And kind of really and  wonderfully human and so hence kind of endearing and sweet in a way, really, you know.... Insecurities! Gosh and don't we all have them. Especially in delicate situations ( such as first dates, for instance) , when we're feeling oh so small and vulnerable and VERY easy to hurt. So... Blurp! Out comes a little lie. And... Oups and oh dear and gosh, what; ANOTHER ONE! :o).  It's all part of being human, eventually very easy to see through and to just divert from and delicately skip over....  Once fairly secure in your being ok with him/her NOT in fact being the ex-world champion of laser-sailing ( yep, had that one told to me once. Amongst many others :o) , the truth does come out, non? So what's the big deal... ? It's only human. We're only human. So let's cut us some slack already.... :o) I'd feel much more concerned and spooked if way into the relation ( romantic, friendly and/or professional, for that matter) I'd find out lies - and in other ways other than the actual person eventully telling me, too ( worst case scenario). I'm just saying..........  


Eva D, Sep 13, 2013 @ 14:56
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Well what is a lie?


Is it my CV full of embellishing or all lies? (why does anyone not check?)


or when I give my confession on sunday.


or to my girlfriend that 'I love her'? so she will cook or have sex?


or when I good on sunday but the rest of the week, i want to profit at any cost or screw the world, for more for me?


i could be a lawyer or polititian.......

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Well what is a lie?


Is it my CV full of embellishing or all lies? (why does anyone not check?)


or when I give my confession on sunday.


or to my girlfriend that 'I love her'? so she will cook or have sex?


or when I good on sunday but the rest of the week, i want to profit at any cost or screw the world, for more for me?


i could be a lawyer or polititian.......


Dave G, Sep 13, 2013 @ 15:15
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Men all lie to women and are hoping for sex or more, if you dont beleive me, your lying to yourself.

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Men all lie to women and are hoping for sex or more, if you dont beleive me, your lying to yourself.


Dave G, Sep 13, 2013 @ 15:21
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Eh eh,


Guys, I was expecting that kind of above comments :). Ok, just to clarify, I have no personal issues with anyone or with any exes ^^.


I am not a 20 year old woman, come on!  Let me rephrase the (simple) question: What pushes people to lie? (Taking out any of the above first examples as to not confuse anyone)


Simple question - simple answers ;)

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Eh eh,


Guys, I was expecting that kind of above comments :). Ok, just to clarify, I have no personal issues with anyone or with any exes ^^.


I am not a 20 year old woman, come on!  Let me rephrase the (simple) question: What pushes people to lie? (Taking out any of the above first examples as to not confuse anyone)


Simple question - simple answers ;)


marieh, Sep 13, 2013 @ 15:16
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From above answers, it seems that you relate lies to relationships between men and women?  The biggest thing on earth?


Lies within the family, amongst friends, colleagues, etc.  It does not have to always do with relationships between men and women, come on guys, drop that subject (I think there already is a HUGE thread open) :)

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From above answers, it seems that you relate lies to relationships between men and women?  The biggest thing on earth?


Lies within the family, amongst friends, colleagues, etc.  It does not have to always do with relationships between men and women, come on guys, drop that subject (I think there already is a HUGE thread open) :)


marieh, Sep 13, 2013 @ 15:24
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Fear - of rejection, not being accepted, respected, loved, ... ( you fill in the blank) just the way we are.There's a lot of social pressure on in our modern society, and especially in "high performance" places, like Geneva. Also, the anonymity certainly helps to "get away with it". Lying in Geneva is too easy, and so hence very tempting, I'm thinking, and who's going to find out, right? And anyways, and even if they do, with a bit of luck they (or I) will have moved on in a couple of years, hopefully never to be seen again. So why not....? Lying in the small village one's from where everybody's known you since you were a baby does tend to get a tad trickier....


As for lying in families  - Gosh, but are you kidding' me! Families are the worst lie-infested worm nests of all, with collective family lies "en masse", serving all sorts of purposes, cover-ups and what-have-yous.


As for professional lying: I tried to hire an assistant locally once  - Turned out, out of the 57 applicants, not one single CV proved to actually be 100% correct, when checking references... Hahaha! 


In short and to wrap it up - Lies are (clearly) part of our everyday life, regardless of how we feel about it and what feelings or moral values we may have about such. So you deal, is all. And see it as part of life. With a lot of savvy and loving.    


 


 

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Fear - of rejection, not being accepted, respected, loved, ... ( you fill in the blank) just the way we are.There's a lot of social pressure on in our modern society, and especially in "high performance" places, like Geneva. Also, the anonymity certainly helps to "get away with it". Lying in Geneva is too easy, and so hence very tempting, I'm thinking, and who's going to find out, right? And anyways, and even if they do, with a bit of luck they (or I) will have moved on in a couple of years, hopefully never to be seen again. So why not....? Lying in the small village one's from where everybody's known you since you were a baby does tend to get a tad trickier....


As for lying in families  - Gosh, but are you kidding' me! Families are the worst lie-infested worm nests of all, with collective family lies "en masse", serving all sorts of purposes, cover-ups and what-have-yous.


As for professional lying: I tried to hire an assistant locally once  - Turned out, out of the 57 applicants, not one single CV proved to actually be 100% correct, when checking references... Hahaha! 


In short and to wrap it up - Lies are (clearly) part of our everyday life, regardless of how we feel about it and what feelings or moral values we may have about such. So you deal, is all. And see it as part of life. With a lot of savvy and loving.    


 


 


Eva D, Sep 13, 2013 @ 15:36
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Thank you,


In my profession, I observe my clients a lot and apply pressure on those "painful" points.  It is always interesting to see what they come up with.


in the past, I also used to recruit for a firm of 1500 staff and I could spot on the CV something that would not be clear or appearing like a lie.


I think everyone agrees that lying is part of life, so be it!


it is also interesting to see how people react to such above forum title :)


Bon week-end To All !


 


 

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Thank you,


In my profession, I observe my clients a lot and apply pressure on those "painful" points.  It is always interesting to see what they come up with.


in the past, I also used to recruit for a firm of 1500 staff and I could spot on the CV something that would not be clear or appearing like a lie.


I think everyone agrees that lying is part of life, so be it!


it is also interesting to see how people react to such above forum title :)


Bon week-end To All !


 


 


marieh, Sep 13, 2013 @ 16:02
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For me there are different lies. If you are invited by a friend and don't want to go, because whatever the reason and you invent a lie, it's ok. it's to preserve your friendship knowing that your friend might have done the same at some point.


But, lying about my number of kids?? I mean, wow, that for me would be irrevocable, I wouldn't trust the person anymore.

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For me there are different lies. If you are invited by a friend and don't want to go, because whatever the reason and you invent a lie, it's ok. it's to preserve your friendship knowing that your friend might have done the same at some point.


But, lying about my number of kids?? I mean, wow, that for me would be irrevocable, I wouldn't trust the person anymore.


beatrice r, Sep 18, 2013 @ 10:42
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if lying were a rescue then saying  the truth is bigger rescue

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if lying were a rescue then saying  the truth is bigger rescue


Ghalib J, Sep 18, 2013 @ 16:51
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