"Some people age, other people mature" ;)

Well said back there

Probably some oldies are just laughing at you "You youngster, much to learn" :P But yea, I don't disagree with you.

So... I´m 34.. that means in "the limit"

But I understand  your "problem".

I had once a party with people from age 25 - 35 but most of them where under 30, but it was nice and completely different from the normal glocals events.

Of course... if your organize something to get a specific group and you have always the "feeling" that some people use this for "hunting"... It´s not nice..

I actually don't know why you are confused as to why some 35-45 year old men are hitting on girls in their 20's.... ;)

I have noticed this is a very common thing in Geneva, not just your events.

Unless you own the bar you can't stop it from happening.  Why do you care?

(I'm 29 and very taken so I'm not a 40-something defending my own or anything here).

Of course... nobody own a restaurant or bar for an event. But if as example...there will be a Ladies night in a bar.. I would be so kind and not attend to this event.

The main reason is, why we excl. people from some events, we had bad experience in the past....

I also now that, to excl. a specific group of people is againts the "rules" of gocals.. But also to not take care of good taste and decency

And of course,,, also in germany I see a lot of men which are hitting younger girls.. maybe this is a common thing. BUT I dont´t think so that all the girls enjoy these situation and so why not change things.....

"I actually don't know why you are confused as to why some 35-45 year old men are hitting on girls in their 20's.... ;)"

The fact indeed is well understood.  I tried to point out on my posting more to the reaction of these guys when I say it is not their cup of tea. Somehow I have this feeling at that point I become enemy number one and whom needs to be retaliated.

Any case, I guess I just need to live with this.

Well, I think that if you posted somehting under the group "under 30" it wouldn´t be a problem, everybody will respect it, but yesterday 10th Friday YOU DIDN'T SPECIFIED ANYTHING!!!!! that´s why people wanted to go I enroled myself on Tuesday and I have READ perfectly well and nothing was written in there, I have seen you have changed the label on Friday morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A little bit late, don´t you think so????? So next time write everything CLEARLY !!!!  and you wouldn´t have any problem, even though I thought that what did yesterday, written to people to tell them off, WAS OUT OF THE PLACE.

So grow up !!!

Thanks Beatriz! I indeed change the name of the topic yesterday, but the fact was that the event was posted in the group of below 30. It was there whole time, since I created it.

well, you should know that it was published as a public event, I´m not in that group and I saw it. So, just make things clear, that´s all but it will be nothing wrong if some older people than 30 will go to a public bar, where there was older people ( around 60) who was there (out of glocals, of course)

I guess that you have organised more events under your group and you´ve never had any problem like yesterday, am I wrong?

I guess you should get glasses if these signs doesn't say it is in that group:

- Title of the web browsers when you're at the event page

- Posted Sep 6, 10 Geneva Under 30 Group text immediately next to RSVP box

And for the answer to your last question. Yes, I have had other events and yes, the same things have happened earlier.

I don´t need glasses and I can´t be bother to argue with u for something as stupid as this conversation. You are free to do whatever you want to do, I just hope u r very very long of the 30s...

And apparently you are the only person here having problems with the events so maybe you should learn how to post them right!

as a principle, i flee from generalisations as the devil flees from the crucifix. also, as a principle, i try not to impose myself in places where i am not really welcome. so, as a principle, i have nothing to do with this thread. nevertheless, i was reading it and enjoying Pepso's freshness and frankness, until i came across his last sentence.

"It would be so much more fun if people recognizes their place in the universe by themselves."

i can't help it, Pepso, although i know it is not your intention, it sounded like a quote Marie Antoinette or UDC would have loved to paraphrase.

I am not very fond of sharing my private life in public forums, but once I refrained from posting a comment on a polemic subject and a (younger) guy called me -- in a veeeery nice way though -- coward. i learned the lesson. so here i am, unable to refrain myself from posting...

I am a 45-year-old woman and you know what? ageing sucks. but *only* because the world seems to blame you -- specially if you are a woman -- for being born before more than 30 years ago. when people say to me, "oh, but you don't look like 45!" as if it were a compliment, it still sounds as funny as if they said, "oh, but you don't look like a brown-eyed person".

if you were pissed-off with some morons who were unpleasant with your under 30 female friends, based on the wisdom of my almost half a century experience, I can almost assure you: these are the same guys who were unpleasant when they were 25.
I have dated much older guys when I was twenty-something, but I only picked up real great, amazing men. and girls, I can tell you, I learned **wonderful** things with them. I also dated much younger guys -- again, i was as selective -- and there i was, learning and having a great time as well.

don't judge anyone by age. it is all about character.

quoting Pascal, "trop de jeunesse et trop de vieillesse empêchent l'esprit."

Reminds me old joke

Nuclear war happened and now all people are green, so there is no white, black, yellow or red skins. But still light-green people left buses from the first doors and dark-green through back doors...

Nowadays, when everybody is tolerant (or trying to be), talks about age, race, religion are not so popular and correct, no?

I'm 24 and when people ask about my ages and hear reponse, their reaction looks like "ahhhh, so young, nothing to discuss". Not all people of course :-) But that's why I wish I could be older sometimes and prefer more mature internations for parties.

But at the same time I can see Marina's point or Beatriz', it's just party, no? :-) maybe in this below 30 thing they can meet very good friends or just enjoy few drinks and it wouldn't look like interview.

And let's not arguing, how said one character from old russian cartoon :)))))

Come on now kids (and I'm refering to both the under 30's and over 30's kids) let's keep it civil and be nice to each other.

When a group admin posts a group activity, the activity is visible on the group page and on the main Things to Do page.  This is something we need to improve, but for now, even if you post something on your group page, take an extra minute to include any special instructions / requirements in the activity title and/or description.

WIth that said, no matter how explicit you make the instructions, there will always be people who manage to 'miss' the instructions and show up anyways.  When this happens, you can just let them be part of the evening, or you can take them aside and politely explain to them that there's been a misunderstanding - up to you. 

If the same person / people keep managing to miss the instructions again and again, send me their name and I'll have a chat with them.

Oded

Hey, Pepso !

I was brought up as national minority and I faced the “right place for you” position pretty often. But I ll try to be cool and just want to give you mine view of the activity post (as activity rules isnt mine business).  So I throw my cards on your table: 2 questions and 1 suggestion

1/ Personally I m aware of your under-30s orientation. So I was confused that I don’t found any clear reference about age limit in activity details. I m sure that’s not because of lack of the glasses by hand, I have farsightedness and with age that one is getting only better. Some group leaders feel free to let participate members who aren’t in the group. So if that’s not mentioned, its not clear enough maybe?

You know, some glocals organize 45y/o plus carry nights or smth else. I cant be sure what was that, because I have never even read the name of activity fully, as it indicates the general rule absolutely clear.

Is there any use in discussing the matter further? Need we to acknowledge that 45y/o plus seems to master the challenge?

2/ Is it drink organizing or Crusades?

3/ And by the way does all that mean that the guy like Andreas who is heaving a sigh of relief to be “in the limit” today will become much more other person in 1 or 2 years??? What is your pathogenic pathway prognosis then?

Whew! Quite a mouthful to read. Rudeness begets rudeness.

If old fashioned moral advice is unapplicable to diffuse this steam, maybe "Be kinder to animals" would help.

Just for information for everyone!

This thread is not really about the age. The real things what happens here it was that this guy post a "drinks on Friday" with nothing else saying if it was over or under 30, so people start to sign up for yes, so How was the surprised when this guy start to send "personal messages" ,so anyone would know with a very rough languages, to people ( just guys, by the way) saying they are not welcome because they are too old and their purpose was just to grab girls under 30 ( as if he knows what kind of people he was sending the messages),

That´s why the languages here is quite rough, as he did.

Age is all in your mind ;-)

...or what I wanted to say was, Age is only a number and you are only as old as your mind....

@Beatriz, I'm on your side.

Frankly, I cannot understand how Pepso’s behavior is tolerated. Using abusive words invoking members as "retards and ignorant of social rules” is a major violation of instigating hate. It’s clearly written on gLocals’ terms and policies.

The rude replies significantly prove that Pepso’s post should have been removed before it can create spiral damage. But that’s all water under the bridge now. In the digital age, there is a thin line that divides reality and realtime. Freedom of speech is not absolute. Pepso’s actuation is sadly contrary to the wisdom he superimposes to be having.

Smile Beatriz J. I’m 40 and am aging gracefully. This is one of those moments that are never worth our wrinkles.

Im not taking sides. Rudness and abusive language should not be tolerated. On the other hand i can see pepso's point. There is nothing worse for a young woman than a really older guy who keeps hitting on her and doesnt realise that he is unwanted. Or realising it and ignoring it. And then telling her that his night is ruined and its her fault because she doesnt want to go home with him. Effectively ruining her night as well as we wont leave her alone.

Few things to brought up. There was 8 or 9 people of over 35 old on the list, these all were male. Weird thing that ones who didn't get the group thing were only male. Okay, maybe Betriz doesn't list her age on Glocals or just didn't see her otherwise on attendant list.

I sent a message, which was't hate mail at all. It was a mail stating that the event is for group of below 30 and the one is receiver because his/hers age is over 35. Or you guys think this message should get results like below found:

Original message sent to people:

"Hey, not sure if you saw, but the drinks tonight are mainly for ages below 30... That is what below 30 should mean for most people at least.

You are receiving this because you are older than 35."

One particular reply I received made me make this post where guy were saying that I'm affraid of competition. Can you guess what was his plan of the night?

"... Anyway, do have fun, and you should be nailing as many chicks as you can at your age ...that young pussy just gets rarer and rarer with the years, so go for it while you can."

So I just should let it go and let these people wonder in the party I really try to make "hunter" free? I also know that I tend to use harsh language but still, what words would you use to describe this kind of messages?

So as far as I understand, I made some people angry because they received my message and they don't belong to the group I try to keep away from my events. I say here and right now sorry for the ones of you, but how can I make distinction between people on my end either? By their age? By talking to everyone of them?

Aren't we being a little generalizing now :-)

We are all adults and if you dont want someone hitting on you it should be fairly easy to tell them....

A lot of "younger" women actually prefer "older" men as they at least know how to treat a lady, look at the bright side ;-)

I agree with you. The problem is that some older people who should know better keep ignoring whatever you say and continue.

As for women who prefer older men. Well why not. Its their personal choice but if you prefer some older man then you wont go to an under 30s event :)

Everyone wants to maximize fun. But It should be expressed in a civilized manner. "The end does not justify the means". No matter how noble a goal one is seeking, the outcome is worthless if rules of human conduct is broken to ahieve it.

> 35-45 years old guys to meet below 30 girls try to attend my activity

Please get real.  Women know how to handle that by themselves.

Personally, I went there with a 40-yo female friend to have a drink, and then had chat with many other friends.  (I didn't record whether they were over or under 30.)  Only the morning after I discovered that apparently we've been gate-crashing.

You had an awesome night -- your words.  Everybody had fun and appreciated your event.  So what's all this fuss about?

Take it easy man, and don't focalise too much on ages.

By the way, realize that

1) had you enforced the over-30 ban, many of the most gorgeous women wouldn't have been there that night.

2) in two years you'll be forced to kick yourself out of your own group.

Pepsi, youre absolutely right: all those people over 30 are horrible...the way they think and act like they know it all really puts me off...

may i suggest u go a bit further. once u get the under 30 fortress under your command, u then need 2 clarify what is goin on in there too

people should then be split into more groups accordin to their height, sex , weight, religion, color of skin, adress in geneva, length of hair (or no hair) hairy , or unhairy, dog owners or not etc...

In pepsi i trust...

They already are. There are a lot of "girls only" activities but i dont see anyone complaining about that :)

youre only as old or young as the woman you feel... or so the saying goes.

I stay away from age specific events , either for under 30's or over 45's...since Im just in between those brackets, but also because i find glocals to be a great ecclectic mix of people, and enjoy meeting both older and younger members.

If the kids wanna play, let em..... especially if its specified, or part of a group.

However tempting it might be going to the "au pairs drinks" I admit that i would feel out of place..ditto, girls only events... so the moral is...

There will always be guys who try to crash events that arent specified for them because thats their way or preference or whatever.... just politely say thanks but pls dont attend due to the group rules.

Thats pretty much it... there are lots of events where we all can mingle... no need to get up set about it...

enjoy.

ch.

Please get real yourself. Women know how to handle it, but I tend to think they also know they don't want to go parties where this happens regularly.

Do you think for a woman makes any difference being annoyed by (or enjoying the company of) a under-30 rather than a over-30?  It doesn't. 

As I said, don't focus too much on age.

Frankly I prefer being "annoyed" by an over-30 - they take the "no" better - whereas being "annoyed" by an under-30 can be compared to being leg-humped by a yorkshire terrier, it just wont let go!!!

i hate being annoyed

Hahaha, sorry I thought this was so funny. I really do not like dogs (especially those humping ones).

Oh and for the discussion. Of course, you are allowed to organize -30 parties of so. But! I really dislike the way pepso stigmatized guys from 30+ (and no, I am not biased declaring to be -30 myself). One (out of 8 or 9!) guys giving you the reply to chase the females while you can in harsh tones gives you apparently the right to  call them retards while your posting was not clear in the first place. Shame on you sir!

I really think most of the post are deviating from the main topic; which is a guy who wants to restrict his events to a specific age group. In my opinion this is quite a chimeric objective, unless you plan to start asking for the ids of the attendants ... But, let's be pragmatic and have a constructive approach.

- Include words such as "only" or "exclussive" in your events description

- Use the option "RSVP with approval" that way you can filter the attendants

- Send an invite to the group members; I asume they will be pre-approved attendants, that way you'll only need to approve the new ones. You may suggest them to join the group, so that you'll not need to approve them in the future

- Don't fall in the trap of provocations; you will receive nasty messages, it seems you already have, just ignore them and be extremely polite and, respectful and use precise words (given how sensitive the topic is, even more than you already have). If someone is particularly insisting report him/her (even when considering the previous posts here, there seem to be no ladies to report) to the Admin

Having contributed with my 2 cents, I feel compeled to say that I cannot agree with any kind of discrimination, age, gender, nationality ... though it is certainly the event organiser's prerrogative to decide how to run it.

Well, I say that (regarding this and the other thread on the subject) we should cool down, relax, and smoke the peace pipe.

Every one of us has his/hers different opinions, culture, and personal history.  That's what makes international people great.  That's also what makes clash sometimes.

Notwithstanding (or perhaps thanks to?) the presence of illegal aliens i.e. over-30 the Friday drink was awesome, and I publicly thank Pepso for organising it.

I'm sure that the intentions of the organiser were good and he didn't mean to be rude, even if there are things you can't control when organising an event, and the message could have been more carefully worded.

Let's keep the future events in the true spirit of openness and friendly atmosphere that is typical of the Glocals community.

@pepso you said you sent a message saying: 

"Hey, not sure if you saw, but the drinks tonight are mainly for ages below 30... That is what below 30 should mean for most people at least.

You are receiving this because you are older than 35."

You put it in quotes, so i'm hoping that you actually copied/pasted it, ie., it's the exact wording. If that is the case....

1. you said "mainly for ages below 30" ummm, right there you have opened the door for people over 30. You shot yourself in the foot. Your argument no longer has any standing.

2. But, then you say "that is what below 30 should mean for most people at least." not sure what the intent was, but it sounds sarcastic and that's not gonna have the desired effect. you might try different phrasing next time.

peace out, everyone.

Pepso,

I like to see all men reach their full potential in all areas of life.  This includes you.  Please be so kind as to allow me to provide some criticism.

Sir, you have engaged in a character assassination against older males which could be characterized as catty and unmasculine.  You have also committed a severe breach of online etiquette by posting a direct quote from someone's private e-mail to you.  This is and always has been a severe no-no, regardless whether or not it is spelled-out in a particular site's terms-of-service agreement.

That person whose private e-mail you indiscriminately quoted indeed did not exhibit a "socially-correct" attitude in their e-mail.  That said, I agree with their stated premise of you not liking the competition from the older males.

Sir, there are places in this thread where you exhibit a strength of character and a psychosocial dominance that is admirable.  These are masculine qualities to which women of all ages and from all cultures will tend to gravitate toward.  May I suggest that if you can carry this same attitude into the "real" world (your group events), you will quickly learn that you have nothing to fear from the men in my peer group.

This is how the situation looks from my position, and this is where *I* become a bit socially-incorrect:  You have created an exclusive under-30's social group in an attempt to proactively discriminate against (cockblock) older men who are sometimes more successful than are your peers at seducing the women in your peer group.  In spite of this, you had members of that unwanted demographic "party-crash" your event.  Instead of dealing with the situation directly, firmly, and confrontationally (and preferably in a diplomatic manner) as a balanced, confident, alpha male would do, you chose to do nothing at the time.  Instead, you later came to a public forum and banged-out a missive filled with cattiness and resentment from the safety of your keyboard in an additional attempt to cockblock the competition by shaming them.

We see what you are doing, and as evidenced above, the women can see it even better than we do.  It's clear that you are not doing them any favors here, and for the few younger ones for whom you might, this behaviour will not ingratiate yourself to them in a manner conducive to improving your romantic life.

Learn from us, son.  Do not scorn.  We've been at it longer that you have.

Oh Richard, I believe it is time for you to create an event, in which you share your wisdom with these pure innocent maybe with time to become alpha males - do not forget the age discrimination!!!

Caroline, that gives me a thought.  We have women-only events here and nobody thinks anything of it -- It's a normal thing.  What if I were to post a men-only event?  How would people react?

E-mail me if you have thoughts; I don't want to go off-topic and derail Pepso's diatribe.

Maybe better to start a new liberal thread, in that way nobody is trotting on anybody's feelings ;-)

"...to being leg-humped by a yorkshire terrier..." -  or by a(the) pug?

Caroline, wasn't it you who started that thread?

http://www.glocals.com/forums/geneva/where-how-in-geneva/Any-cute-boys-to-take-me-out--84371.htm

Oh, girl... first boys, now dudes over 30...

you are wild !

I like you... 

> Frankly I prefer being "annoyed" by an over-30 - they take the "no" better

Because we eventually realized that few women are worthing wasting so much time and effort ;-)

And while I prefer not being annoyed, should the case ever be that I am being annoyed by some terrible "over-30" hitting on me, well at least I am treated with grace for the short time it lasts - not just getting the "under-30" hey babe, nice ass (while grabbing my ass) ;-)

Thank god I dont belong to the category of generalizing old "over-30" year olds erhm..... 

and you are going to be very popular here....

Haha Sam, that was me rebelling against all "us" poor innocent girls here on glocals that do not understand how guys can get the idea to hit on "us" if we have some puffed up picture clearly stating "we" are here for any attention, therefor creating a thread to complain about those nasty booooys out there (believe that was the trigger, how I AM above 30 so my memory may be tricking me ;-) ) 

I think in English they say

"A cat is a lion in a jungle of small bushes"

@Zonker:“... you said "mainly for ages below 30" ummm, right there you have opened the door for people over 30 ..”

 yehhh....and people over 30 were happy to sneak in

@perso, next time don't make such a blunder, state it clearly “ only people under 30 – basta ! Photo ID should be shown at the event entrance”

“So I just should let it go and let these people wonder in the party I really try to make "hunter" free?”

If I m in trouble, I appreciate help. But now it seems to be a dirty play.

You choose one answer and YOU are posting the quote that sounds violently. So you make us to read it and make up our mind on the people who were kicked off.

But I cant believe some of my friends who got your message could answer like that. If only they have multiple personality disorder…

So should we judge over30s because of one man’s attitude?

Hey all, 

Part of the issue is that currently, the name of the group is not stated clearly enough on the Activity page. So some folks may have missed the point that the activty was for age 30- only. We'll fix this to ensure Group activities say the name of the group more clearly. 

A question: we allow activity organisers to limit their activities to certain ages. To make this easier for organisers, we're toying with the idea of allowing activty organisers to select which age folks are welcome to join the activty, and then only people in that age range will see the activity. What think?

Nir

Nir, for those so very keen on sticking within a certain group, that actually sounds a good idéa, then the "wrong" people wont get the wrong idea or feel left out ;-)

Nir, you make it too easy and you'll have an adverse impact on the value of the site.  It'll be far too tempting for event organizers to, with the click of a mouse, make their event disappear from the eyes of too many members.  Less events, less value to the user community, less traffic.

You can see where this is headed.

Richard, 

Thanks, I fully understand your point. 

On the other hand, the happier event organisers are, the more activities they are likely to post. And the assumption is that if it's easier for event organisers to post the exact event they want, the happier they'll be. 

Nir

Nir, very good point.  The question, then, is how much value could be added to the events themselves by facilitating age discrimination on the site.  For the original poster, I suspect the answer is "heaps" if I may use an Aussie-ism here. 

I do question if this would have value to the broad Glocals audience.

Good question Richard. 

It cuts to the heart of the age-limit thing: do we allow organisers (which are the ones who make glocals what it is) to select who they allow to join their activities (age wise), or do we "force" organisers to accept everyone.

My personal feeling is that someone who organises an activity should have full control who over joins their activity. But I know it's a sensetive point, hence this question.

Agreed, it is sensitive, and it invites "slippery slope" argruments.  For example: Why stop at age?  Could you not also facilitate discrimination by religion?  Or gender?

Hey, gender doesn't *sound* so bad -- until someone keeps women out of an event by using a feature that's baked-in to Glocals.  Then Glocals is at the center of a controversy...

It gets ugly fast...

I might also suggest checking to see if there are any regulatory issues in Switzerland which might prohibit this sort of thing.

I think the technical term for "leg humping" by a dog is "Frotter"...

If youre getting "frottered"... is a very quick and often unnoticable act where small legs are wrapped around yours and its hind quarteres, or hips, are thrust back and forth at 1000kmph until the "money shot"... or until it get kicked by its owner in an embarrassed fashion followed by astute apologies....

It pays to wear wellies in the company of such dogs...

Shame on you Bea, for trying to pick up 25 years old girls!!!

;)

Sincerely, I said it since the beginning of Glocals: this site is great because it is open.

I find it so uninteresting, to have an 'under-30', 'over-35', '27 to 42' rule when organising an activity.

Even a 'girls only', 'Italians only', 'brasilians only' labels looks so pathetic to me.

The selection I understand is the one that comes spontaneous on the interests: a Book club will only attract blbliophiles. A mountain hyke organizer should only specifiy what level of difficulty (s)he's talking about...

Oded,

You wrote that you want to solve the 'problem' that activities posted in a group appear in the general homepage and activity list.

If I were you I wouldn't consider that a problem, but rather a ressource. A richness that makes this place better than others. An opportunity for people who are not in a group to get aware of its existence and 'apply' to join it (thus enriching it).

... and an opportunity for groups and events organizers to grow up and learn to take their own responsibility, that include, Pepso, guarding the 'entrance door' -if you want one- of your events or groups and politely let out the ones who don't fit in the rules you set... without whining because your initiatives raised interest in a community whose only aim is raising interest for meeting opportunities, and without insulting people who found your initiatives interesting.

But then of course it might be just me.

N.B.

No: I never applied to join any of Pepso's activities and I'm not taking this stance for any personal reasons.

You're sure you're in the right place? It seems from your description that you use the site to date and hook up with people?

Me maybe naivly am trying to see this site just as a place to meet new people. Not giving damn about your cockblocked buddies. I think the blockade is far more deeper drawn if my events once a month or once a two month makes people feel that way.

And while you're on the rule book. Try to find does it say anything about Glocals being a dating site...

@Nir, not sure about blocking people by their age or sex is a good idea. I do believe people should know by themselves where to attend without any built boundaries. Apparently I either quit trying to organize anything or just when doing it accept some of the kids emails.

P.S.

Pepso. The "shag as many young pussy as possible because it gets rarer and rarer" cries out loud for a "report to Admin" click!

Pepso, I don't need you to tell me what Glocals is or is not.

The only valid course of action is an apology.  You've upset a lot of people.

Hello Nir, I do not think glocals should go this way, because the restricted information would suppress flexibility. Who knows? Maybe there is a 31-year-old member, pretty fit and in good shape, who could be tolerated in an under-30-event? And maybe there is a very mature 44-year-old member, brave enough to join a 45+activity and the other participants enjoy his/her presence? But we will never find out, if we restrict information on ongoing events. The posts should be clear and I am positive that things will regulate themselves. On the long run people will choose the activities where they are welcome.

Oh, it were your buddy who I reported to admin?

I would say that what makes glocals is what it is thanks to both the event organisers and the attendees, particularly those who behave properly following the rules of etiquette.

If too many restrictions are put in place, such as making the activities visible to a user depending on their age, the un-nice guys will still find a way of by-passing it; as I see it there will be a time-consuming chase between the siteadmins setting effective controls and the un-nice guys finding the weak point. Besides, most of activities happen in bars and other public premises, where access cannot be restricted nor controlled

Nir, the question you raise is what do we want Glocals to be ? An addition of exclusive groups which just use the same medium to communicate with their members ? Your suggestion goes in that direction.

Or do we want it to be a open community where everybody is welcome, provided they accept the core values (including courtesy and not calling people retards) ? That's what I and tons of people stand for. If we can't prevent members from organizing exclusive activities, at least, don't encourage them.

I have no intention of going to an age restricted event but I might suggest it somebody who falls into this bracket,  There is surely a simply way of organising this.  The organiser requests that those attending contact him and he advises the time and the place of the event.  He can also demand that they divulge their age. (And as so many people do not like to divulgge that they have passed the big three -O, he will never know that there are gatecrashers 

Wow! What a nasty conversation!  All those animal references!  Ugh!

Somehow I wish Hayes were still here as I am certain that he would have something incredibly witty and cynical to add to the conversation.

I think I remember a similar, although much more civil conversation about age-related events regarding the musical chairs dinners.  I suppose it will always be a feature of Glocals somehow.  Perhaps that's one reason why some former forum members have moved on to other sites. 

Nevertheless, people don't need to insult one another over the topic of after-work drinks! 

I almost stopped by the event because I saw that a friend had RSVPd but then I remembered that Pepso seemed to be pretty focussed on the 30 and under crowd.  I did want to ask Mr. Pepso whether that is a phone or a makeup compact in his picture..

@ Maria:  By the way, there are indeed worse things than being harassed by an older man... rape, murder, civll war and genocide are just a few things come to mind, but I suppose it all depends upon your point of view and, dare I say, level of maturity.

I think Omega Man has it right.  People should just chill out.  Offenders should be reported but discrimination should not be encouraged or tolerated.

Personally, I don't like the idea of "clustering" because it divides the community in people who are "in" and those who are "out".

When it comes to age, I met some really nice people that are 10 years younger as well as 10 years older than me. I don't know why it is important to have age restrictions for an activity like drinks/party/sports/concerts... except if the organizer wants to "fish his/her goldfish" among the participants. (just a thought) :-)))  Nevertheless, if there is a reason to have a certain criterion applied to an activity (+45, mums 2B, -30, vegetarians...), a clear indication in the title does the job without hurting anyone's feelings.

When it comes to activities organized in a certain glocals' group and the organizer only wants participants of this group, then the activity posted should only be visible for those group members. (e.g. tick a box when posting the activity: only group members vs. public) Problem solved.

Hi T

Thankfully the under 30 and over 30 crowd here in geneva  dont participate (to my knowledge) in rape, genocide, murder and civil war.... so in our little box of heaven we dont need to worry about that too much when considering attending an afterwork drink event.

All we need to worry about is whether or not we will be too old or too young for the crowd or whether or not  lady luck is on our side ...or you disagree?

As mentioned before, i prefer mixed crowds, it adds an element to the conversation that one doesnt get generally in a "mono-aged" group.

If im at a party and the talk is only about the latest techno rave that everyone went to, then im sensible enough to realise im out of my depth, and exit stage left.

However I do find that the mix of people on this site that attend the parties offer a diversity of opinion, experience, background and thought that makes it invaluable. Mixing and integrating here is about as challenging as it gets globally and a great founding for a global or worldly personal outlook later on in life.

However i do see why some would like to have the occasional party with their own age group, and wouldnt deny them this, since after all is its only occasional... and as mentioned before by many its easy to create such with monitoring rules.

Pepsos fault was his miscommunication of the original event and post event hissy fit.. Im sure if everyone calms down and takes as step back we can all continue as normal and the next one wont (I hope) be so fraught and full of antagonisms.

peace and love and alcohol  to all....

sainte

Charlie:

I agree with you, especially about the post-event hissy fit.  The rape, murder, war, ad nauseum point was just to try to put things into their proper perspective. 

And I really don't have any objection with age-related events, in principle.  We americans are often chastized for our directness but I find that in posting events, it's better to be clear.  I find that all sorts of misunderstandings arise from our "common" language, especially here in Geneva... 

Leave it to the Irish to get us to all forgive each other -- through alcohol (how's that for national stereotypes?)

Px

My friend Pepso, I understand your point  but seven Arts is a public place and there were also many non-glocals people present, (the owner of the bar is also in my age group)  & thanks for all the entertainment… and yes, some of us « gate crashed «  your event (we had fondue with members from the GVA runners group before,  many of them are actually  under 30, not going into any details…but hey, you were so happy to see us  …just follow my slogan: work hard, party even harder & run like the wind…nothing to with age. See you around.  Hug, x

Just to let some steam out.......... am going to put the kettle on.

Swiss, you were one the gatecrashers ? That's funny. When Pepso described 40+ trying to mingle where they don't belong in order to hunt young flesh, I didn't imagine that these scarry characters had your nice and open face… You can't trust anybody nowadays !

Waow this is a childish answer...

That's because the freedom to speak is apparently not absolute, in some people's opinion ;)    - and no, I didn't complain about it, either :p  Have your girl nights. Girls having fun isn't a bad thing.. :)

All:

Pls stay on topic, with no personal attacks. Pepso asked a question (in short: when he posts an activity for his under 30 group, why do some older folks join), and if you want to answer or exapnd on it, great. 

The way Oded and I (the site managers) see the issue of age restrictions is this:  activity organisers are allowed to decide who joins the activity they organise, and this means age wise too. If someone organises an activity and she / he enjoys doing it with folks age X, then we will not force her / him to "enjoy" being with folks age Y.

We realise this approach has issues: it's not inline with a the glocals "we're all friends" spirit, and it starts a slippery slope in terms of what other criteria organisers can select by. However, I think the principle of "if I'm the one organising an activity then I have the right to do the activity with the people I want to do it with" is a stronger one here, and it's a critical one in order for organisers to keep organising.   

Nir

Having read this ongoing post for the last few days I just had to reply.

Nir I agree that pepso had a question and wanted to see how people believed the age group issue should be interpreted. BUT I think the problem being is the question wasn't asked in a plain polite way. If he had said something along the lines of I had an under 30's group night planned, people turned up but some were over 30 which I felt changed the event for me.How should I deal with this in the future?  Don't we all think that maybe the answers would then have been focused on the issue of age restrictions???

Myself personally don't like putting my self in an "age bracket". But sue to this discussion I am in the mid 30's bracket. However my friends range from early 20's to in their 40's. Therefore here is a question if one of my "under 30" friends said I'm going to an event it's under 30 but don't want to go on my own and it might be fun will you go with me pleaseeeeeeee. Do I then say NO NO WAY UNDER 30 only they will ask for my ID on the way in or sure not a problem - people will probably think I under 30 anyway:)

Anyway the main point being I don't believe I am a retard or retad as in the original question. I can read but hey sometimes people skim through as they are busy with their life and if I were Pepso I would reply to the people in a POLITE manner. He might then be surprised how non retarded people can be.

Sure, with a thread started in such a violent manner, no wonder it created a brawl.

 @ Nir : I don't think that a non disrimination policy would discourage organizers : 95% of them already implement it !

Hi everyone!

I quote: “A question: we allow activity organisers to limit their activities to certain ages. To make this easier for organisers, we're toying with the idea of allowing activty organisers to select which age folks are welcome to join the activty, and then only people in that age range will see the activity. What think? “

As many of the participants mentioned, this is a very delicate and sensitive topic, as it arises ethical, legal etc. issues.

It was discussed many times earlier and, most likely, this is not the last time we are munching the same subject, because of that, I, personally, didn't want to be involved in this neverending story

However, at the end I changed my mind …

my 0.02 -

Does the Glocals' community really need activities that allow only people who fit in a certain age “box”? 20-30 in particular ?

Let me bring you back to the point where it started.

Check the link

http://www.glocals.com/forums/geneva/where-how-in-geneva/Trying-to-fill-the-gap-between-students-and-expats-83197.htm#msg_84410

now click on this

http://www.glocals.com/groups/geneva/geneva-under-30-group.htm

Do you see the number of members of the group?

Right. Quite impressive... the biggest group on Glocals.

My conclusion - there is a strong demand in such activities here – so be it !!!

Of course people are free to say what they want; they simply have to be prepared to face the consequences. 

That's not freedom at all - however, the topic is out of bounds for this thread.

With freedom comes responsibility, and, one hopes, civility.

At the end of the day there will always be groups whether all of us like it or not. Just think back to your childhood at school. There was normally an "in crowd" and an "out crowd". I was probably lucky or unlucky that I had friends in both sets of groups at school. I felt comfortable in both groups and learnt different things from both. Now we are "adults" groups still exist in whatever shape and form which includes age groups. BUT if a few people don't "fit" this group don't discrimate against them welcome them. You usually learn from the most unlikely of sources. Obviously if there are one are 2 that ruin the evening then report them to Nir but remember they may be the ones that were in the "original" group.

I know I am still learning things and some of the stuff is thanks to my 6 year old son:)

@Nir with all due respect, I cannot overemphasize not pointing the obvious. Organizer's post should have been removed before it can cause animosity. That's a bit too late now. But moving forward, posts similar to this should not be tolerated. A frustrated organizer does not carry a birthright to unleash in a public forum hot molten magma from his/her erupting volcano. 

There are major blunders from this incident (1) late advisory of organizer's age criteria (2) organizer's inhumane procedure to weed out "unwelcomed" members (3) irresponsible vexation of rudeness in a public forum (4) lastly, the age issue itself. All four is not one and the same!

Nobody in their right senses would force himself/herself to an unwelcomed activity, unless emotionally unstable. Majority of the responses here are poking towards the organizer's bad attitude (blunders 1-3 above). Please let us not underestimate the silent majority whose spirits he has dampened, or worse yet momentarily killed.

I'm 19 flight hours away and an outside onlooker. This indexed thread is an ironic contradictory to gLocals header "friendly people". I'm seriously skeptical this early if the slogan is true to its word.

@Nir, I forgot to add. As to the age issue (4th blunder) and gLocals inclination to subdivide, segregate, or lump members by their interests, age, gender, etc. is fine as long as it is politely conveyed and well-understood by the members. Demorcracy still rules.

gLocals is only a platform to maintain database, to interact, and organize events. But the events are all real (not virtual), hence I would advocate organizers to be extra cautious and diplomatic, whose attendees come from diverse ethnicity, that they do not step on any international law. It might be their greatest nightmare. 

So much passion. Something just occurred to me, depending on where you grew up, if you are in your 20's you must likely never knew a social life which did not have the internet as an enabler.

If you announce an event to 30 thousand (ish) glocals folks then statistically in that group will be a few axe murderers, the occasional circus clown and (heaven forbid) even the odd Australian. If you include the friends of the 30,000 then the figure probably hits 6 digits and then there might be some Kiwis too!

Am I the only one who realises that? Perhaps Nir can add a button "click here to download some common sense"

Maybe (it's just a thought...) it is just a matter of English? I have been around people who try to be funny in a language other than their mother tongue and end up saying very embarrassing things. Maybe (or maybe not) Pepso was trying to gently remind some people that his event was not for them but he used the wrong words by their standards, not by his.

Maybe (a suggestion) he could apologize: not for the fact that he limited his event to below 30's but for the wrong words he used and maybe you guys should all let it go and get busy organising another fun event to which we could all go?

Maybe I can suggest an over 40 years old event just to calm the spirits? Who wants to join?

You're mostly in the thing, but I have no need to give apologies more than I did for the people who I upsetted with my message earlier.

Interpretion of the original message have gone bad for most people due to senders lack of reviewing before sending it. Still, I don't see any sentence there which makes anyone else than 'older guys meeting young girls and acting childish' as a target of my storming. How widely people consider themselves as ones? I guess the amount of people is way over my initial estimation based on this thread

Calm down! Better smile and be positive!
I dont care ! I like all  ages,all kind of party and activities. I dont care what people think or say about me or my age,i just go where i want ! :) so maybe u ll see me in some pub ,where "can go only" 35-40 :D hahah
Life is AWESOME !!!! So,lets go to party ALL groups together!!!!! :)

I think Pepso's English is very good.  What has come out of this forum is that we all know what type / category of persons Pepso and his group are and if this is your type of crowd then get together and have a good time.  But please keep posting the events so that glocals who were not happy with the outburst or who are aged 30 years and 1 day and thereore excluded can avoid the bar on that articular evening.   I should point out that nothing in the thread upset me or surprised me - but then I am ver thirty

@translator and all......

WHERE IS HAYES?! Did I miss something? Did he leave? I don't seem him in the members list any more.

Hayes admitted to being Joe Buck and several other people - suppose you can still see everyathing on the Crime in Geneva thread.  He was banned from the site and claimed he has left Geneva but i am sure he is still with us under another name.  An unfortunate Chinese girl who put in a genuine request for someone to share a weekend with her was accused of being Hayes shortly afterwards.  since that faux pas we have been stepping on eggshells

Well said man! 

This way keeps up the biggest possible freedom and widest possible options for all on this place:

- you can set rules / limitations for something you are organising (thus assuming the responsibility to be the 'bouncer at the door' if you feel there ir a need, by politely refusing to give relevant info to who's not in your 'IN' list).

- you can anyway be aware of what's up in the hood, even if you don't fit the criteria (and might try to knowck at the door, but accepting that you might be said 'not welcome this time, sorry').

Technical limitations (activities not visible unless... etc.) would only void this place of what it makes it glocals.

:)

(and a little maturity/respect/education from all members is all we need to make it work marvels!).

All right, no need apologies. Still, foreign language is a tricky thing. I consider my English as very good, though I know that sometimes I use a words in English that are slightly different than what I had in mind and I only realize it when people react to what I said.

I still think all the misunderstanding comes from the fact that you were only targeting a certain category of unwanted people and more people than you expected felt upset: not because there is as many weerdos, but because the language you used hit everyone (all people over 30's) rather than your initial target.

But ok no apologies.

Except from whoever (not you) said that it is annoying when younger girls get stalked by unwanted older men,This implies men under 30 are never annoying, always behave like gentlemen and that deviation from that perfect behaviour only comes with age. That is slightly insulting. I think it's annoying when any girl of any age get stalked by any unwanted man, older or younger. And vice versa by the way. 

Oh, maybe you missed the point. I have said to be sorry for certain people on this thread already. I don't feel to apologize more for people who attack me on personally.

i hope this thread gets closed soon. 

This is a really angry thread and what concerns me most about it is how the Glocals admin seem more concerned about how to help organisers target the correct group of people rather than dealing with the aggression.

Am I missing something?

Is it really so very awful that the event went a bit wrong and some people over 30 attended? As for the whole hitting on young girls thing, well sadly sexual predators of all ages and both sexes exist and sadly that's one of those things we all have to deal with at times. The internet is a great thing but it isn't perfect and mistakes happen. I am assuming no one has died?

Perhaps next time Pepso might take a bit more time to review his posts and make sure its ultra clear that over 30's are not welcome.

What I find worrying and a greater cause for concern is how the whole retard insult has been overlooked by the Glocals admin. This is 2010 and as far as I am aware in the western world it became unacceptable to use vexatious and intentionally insulting terms like "Retard", quite some time ago! The word retard is comparable to words like nigger, paki, queer.......... Its a word that historically been used to describe people that have learning difficulties. 

I was under the impression that I now live in a more tolerant society that tries not to single out and separate minorities.

I also thought Glocals was supposed to be a friendly site where people could chat, meet up, help each other out with problems.

Pepso I think the term you were looking for was "open a can of worms"! If you want to make a valid point and have an educated debate about something try to be a little more eloquent, less aggressive and if you refrain from using unacceptable words as insults you might just get your point across and get some sympathy.

OK lets say someone organises a girls night out in a bar and a guy that happens to be in the same bar tries to get in the group. The organiser obviously doesnt want him there and will tell him to leave. The next day what will happen? Will we have another thread like this saying that the organiser is discriminating and since he was in that bar anyway he had a right to join the group?

Only if he admits under interogation that he is a glocals member. If he is just a dirty old man who has followed a group of under 30's into a bar, that is apparently OK

"Is it really so very awful that the event went a bit wrong and some people over 30 attended? As for the whole hitting on young girls thing, well sadly sexual predators of all ages and both sexes exist and sadly that's one of those things we all have to deal with at times. The internet is a great thing but it isn't perfect and mistakes happen. I am assuming no one has died?"

Hey Colette D, so first of all, nothing went wrong with the event itself. I just got annoyed by the messages I got from people whom I send that the event is not for their demographics. And yes, no one have died.

And to comment how I see the word I used:

Slang: Disparaging .

b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.

Well, shame on me that I used a word like that!

Maybe I should have used instead of a word retard something like 'one with problems to understand that everything in the world cannot be in reach, nor does go around their cock'. But still, what is the difference really? The whole thing is overlooked by the fact I use a word, that is in my mind a really good one to describe if someone have sort of problems of understanding things like 'sorry, this is not for you'.

I think at some point here in Glocals words 'attention whore' were interpreted by just word 'whore' ignoring the fact they are totally different thing... Dudes and dudettes, words can be used and interpreted in a many ways. Is slang forbidden in forums? Hmm, maybe I haven't been using internet long enough to realize this fact yet. And please anyone out there, do not open this can of worms. And also, thanks Colette for the saying

I hope this is the last one bit I want to share on this topic.

p.s. Urban Dictionary might help also to resolve some of the language/word interpretion problems

"As for the whole hitting on young girls thing, well sadly sexual predators of all ages and both sexes exist and sadly that's one of those things we all have to deal with at times"

Wonderful.  We approach an under-30 female and we're deemed "sexual predators."

Colette, all, 

We've covered the topic of Pepso's wording (which is agressive indeed) 20 times in this thread already. From all angles...

Let's focus on the topic at hand now.

Nir

@Nir

Have you?

Does the G-Locals admin approve this wording?
"Am I just doomed to get these retards poking on my event everytime and even shall I just stop trying to have something organized for specific age group? Just getting already pissed of for random topics like "So you hate people over 30" "You will be old as well and what are you going to do then?"

As Aries wrote above: "Please let us not underestimate the silent majority whose spirits he has dampened, or worse yet momentarily killed."

Is G-Locals only about organizing activities however blatantly rude the organizers are?

(just been following the thread... and just another outside onlooker)

Why are we arguing and not drinking?

God damn it!

Ok there was a F*çk up... its explained, sorted and in future wont happen again. Future parties will be either free for all, or gender or age specific depending on the organiser... sorted.

Whats to discuss now? NOTHING!!!

Mine's a cold one....

(and a brace of beauties on my arm please too, thank you)

thread over...and out

Um... what age for the beauties, Charlie, you dog, you....

Over 18, and preferably, but not limited to, under 120....

Beer levels every playing field.

Actually I better open it to more than two... otherwise someone will suggest Im "hair colourist", so shall we say one from every shade of hair colour just too keep if fair, ... oH actually better make that two each, since one long haired and one short haired...

God this is going to be complicated....

(reminds self to bring note book and pen to remember names with)

someone organsing a girls night out won't call the guys ''retards''

OK, so now after Mayam and Andrei's post, we covered Pepso's wording 22 times...(-:

Come on folks, get over the wording already. Pepso got a slap on the wrist from lots of users on it already. Move on, nothing to see here. 

I am impressed by the number of post about this...

I am sorry, but the group thing isn´t about finding people with same affinities than you??? if not what is the meaning??

I think its total normal to have drinks under 30s as it was the group event... this was never a problem, in fact there are many: Scandinavian drinks, girls drinks, singles drinks and over 40 people drinks... is normal.. we are all friendly to each other but its normal to try to find people how are similar to you, how have similar taste etc..

I am the host of the Brazilian group and although its not exclusive to brazilian it is for people who like brazilian things, if you dont like samba, futebol, caipirinha, if you think we are lound and messy you are not welcome... ;)

as for pepso, I am sorry dear, but some msgs were harsh, I don´t think it justify but I agree that you dont need to have people complaining to you abt hosting this events and that you dont accept people over 30, specially in a rude way plus is not that you checking id you just want to keep an average.

maybe last time, since it was not clear, you should have let it go and make more clean next time, IN CAPS LOCK I suggest

someone said (sorry, but too many msgs to remember) that pepso posted a private msg, if I receive a msg like this, I post with the name of the person, as for me someone who writes that deserves no respect...

for the girls, there is not old or young guys there is only annoying and nice guys, its not because of the age... if the guy is annoying you politely ask him to stop, move away and stop listening to him... very simple.. if you are clear, polite and direct no guy will follow you for hours... some girls just like the attention

maybe we should all should just stop discussing and check the events for the future and if one day pepso hosts an event with age limit and you are older 30, just go to another or host one yourself and let people choose where they want to go...

with so many complains if there was another drink that night I am sure would be full too

people love to make trouble, relax, take a drink there are many thing to do, if none please you, host one yourself, its very easy :)

http://www.glocals.com/things-to-do/geneva/

@Zonker, this will only stop, in my opinion, if gLocals makes a lay-out on corrective action plans. This has transcended from the oganizer's hands and mirrors gLocals sytemic flaw. Pardon my french and the unsolicited opinion. 

@Nir, the motive in everyone's responses is not to crucify the person, but the act. The earlier suggestion to enhance the website for the 30+ added insult to injury. The blunders were not technical failures. However, the fact that you acknowledged that he's aggressive is an improvement from the previous statement "he was asking a question". Thank you for your humility. It's a micro-inch relief, but still it failed to nail the point.

The bigger challenge is where do we go from here. Shall we activate a protocol on public forums?  Shall we subject the organizers to a psychometric examination to measure their tolerance in adverse stress? Shall we require organizers to People Skills Seminar? What is our stand on event classification? Etc, etc, etc.

Nir, I'm trying to be humorous and academic. I have not attended any activity, hence, does not have the authority to lay-out a blueprint. Are you aware that since Monday some members retracted from their previously confirmed event for a thousand alibis and reasons? It couldn't be pure coincidence! A killed spirit has to be revived and this reassurance would come from the very people who run gLocals. Most believe that gLocals priority is focused on pleasing the organizers rather than the members which has made it thrive.     

If admin does not have a clear-cut direction on how to address this blunder, I would not be surprised if this will be repeated. I would suspect this might be a norm here. Please do not feel slighted Nir but I can't stop myself from asking, "is Admin part of the problem, or part of the solution?" 

@Pepso - I deleted your last post.  You seem to have an amazing ability to escalate a situation by insulting people and using inapropriate language. 

@Aries - Breathe.  Everything will be ok.

Oded

thank you. It was indeed incredibly insulting and this is exactly what's expected from a site admin.

Rather than delete messages my feeling is that the forum should be closed down  Pepso made his initial point which I half agree with and certainly sympathise with but in my opinion this forum is getting nowhere and some of the proposals (not referring to Pepso here) and extremely negative.  I can sympathise with his getting angry. I aslo suspect that deep down I detect a frustration among those who are just over thirty and are suffering from pre . menopausal syndrome (both female and male). The best points made are that there are meetings for all types of groups and anyone gatecrashing can easily be ignored

Well its going nowhere because how on earth do you resolve the issue of groups etc without upsetting people?

I dont know if "gate crashing" is a problem that often occurs and causes problems and therefore needs to be addressed or not!

There are two rational sides to the argument. You can argue that if someone wants to organise an event that specifies age then that is their business. Its their spare time and if they make the effort to organise something and people want to attend then what is the problem? You can also argue that it is possibly the start of a slippery slope, where will it end! Not in the true spirit of Glocals!

I personally dont mind either way but I am sure there are people that will be offended by being excluded.

It's impossible to please everybody. 

Oh please everyone, get a grip and get on with it - admin, isnt it time to delete/lock this thread now?

(yes I have now unsubscribed from it hehe)

"Well its going nowhere because how on earth do you resolve the issue of groups etc without upsetting people?"

People over 30 wanting to meet below 30 of the opposite sex are free to start such an activity. I don't see why people people are still arguing about this. It's for below 30, what is so hard to understand. Apparently they can read...

"It's impossible to please everybody."

They are grown ups, get over it, they must have faced tougher dissapointments in life.

I think it is time for that. We have too much (paid)time on our hands and no good topics at the moment to discuss. Maybe you can start a new experiment, but don't give your actual motive away so quick as you did with your "cute boy search" experiment.

@Oded, Wow! I did not expect it to be that swift. Thank you for the prompt and very speedy solution. I’m breathing very well dear. Thanks.

@Pepso, Hahaha! You never fail to amaze me!

Do not like the tone of this last email.  As I am in the unfortunate position of using my own name this means: 1 I have to consider every word I type on a forum which means I will opt out of forums (maybe no bad thing) 2. I change my name and use a pseudonym (is this possible?) 3. I just stop using glocals for posting activities.  Advice please which must apparently not be derogatory

I cannot believe this thread is still alive!!!

No, Ithink if you are just polite you should be fine. Like the rest of us.

Quite scary stuff indeed Paul – However in many civil law counties the right to the 'freedom of speech' is enshrined and protected in either the civil code or the constitution. 

So living in this model of republican democracy  you might have little to fear from those that cry libel or slander....

 Any Swiss lawyers available to confirm the Swiss position on free speech?

We removed Aries' "I will take you to court" threat.

We didn't close this thread cos I thought it exhausted itself out already with all points covered 50 times, but I see it keeps jumping back alive.

So let me summarise the thread, and then we close it:

1. We allow activity organisers to decide who joins their activity (just like in real life, where if you organise an outing, then you can decide who to it with). 

2. Pepso's wording was offensive and poor. We should have acted faster on it.

3. Threatening to take people to court is not friendly attitude, even if it's followed by a "I send you love" sentence.

Nir